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Insertanamehere said: Saber still won, though. Japan loves their moe blob. We get that already. |
| I don't even get why people like saber that much. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
chickenonthepan said: -BC- said: ufotable > UBW Errr? You mean UBW>>>> DEEN movie Don't call that shit UBW plz. :P DEEN's movie was more like LBW-limited budget work. Or something. |
| I really don't think ufotable's budget is endless just that they know how to use said budget. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
grayrebornnhy said: Well after a few times listening to LiSA's version, I actually don't think it's that bad. But yeah, I like Sachi's version more.the ending song...was a HUGE TURN-OFF FOR ME. A prepubescent voice asking for a remix of a shibuya-kei jazz fusion? Are they mocking Tainaka Sachi?! That techno-heavy remix seriously left a bad taste on my tongue. Otherwise, it was a good wrap-up for this anime, everything is up to expectations. I would pray for the sax solo to come back. |
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Kite0207 said: Woah so much butthurt. Don't feel like arguing at all but /alcohol/ will just point out our dear secondary character Fuji-nee wouldn't be in harm's way had Saber just won. Which is imo much more beliveable than Caster simply letting go of her hostage after being attacked by Saber & being called a witch. Thanks anyway to whoever snip at the "correct" setup (something on his house) that could maybe make any sense. Cya boys, stay civil. As various people already noted, that simply wasn't possible in this situation, it's not clear if that's even the real Caster (Archer and Saber each killed a Caster in Episode 7 and 8 that turned out to be a clone), and she would have simply killed Fuji-nee or used her as a shield. Even if she died, Fuji-nee was still suspended in midair with Age of the Gods enchanted wire around her neck, which modern magi like Rin and Shirou had no way of cutting. |
Kite0207 said: Woah so much butthurt. Don't feel like arguing at all but /alcohol/ will just point out our dear secondary character Fuji-nee wouldn't be in harm's way had Saber just won. Which is imo much more beliveable than Caster simply letting go of her hostage after being attacked by Saber & being called a witch. Thanks anyway to whoever snip at the "correct" setup (something on his house) that could maybe make any sense. Cya boys, stay civil. Except Caster would have killed her before Saber could 'defeat' her, and they didn't even know if that was the real caster or not. |
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Kite0207 said: Woah so much butthurt. Don't feel like arguing at all but /alcohol/ will just point out our dear secondary character Fuji-nee wouldn't be in harm's way had Saber just won. Which is imo much more beliveable than Caster simply letting go of her hostage after being attacked by Saber & being called a witch. Thanks anyway to whoever snip at the "correct" setup (something on his house) that could maybe make any sense. Cya boys, stay civil. Archer killed a Caster in ep7. Saber stabbed a Caster in ep8. Good luck killing her. |
Just_ChickenDec 31, 2014 11:18 AM
chickenonthepan said: Kite0207 said: Woah so much butthurt. Don't feel like arguing at all but /alcohol/ will just point out our dear secondary character Fuji-nee wouldn't be in harm's way had Saber just won. Which is imo much more beliveable than Caster simply letting go of her hostage after being attacked by Saber & being called a witch. Thanks anyway to whoever snip at the "correct" setup (something on his house) that could maybe make any sense. Cya boys, stay civil. Archer killed a Caster in ep7. Saver stabbed a Caster in ep8. Good luck killing her. WTF she has berserker's noble phantasm guys. Fucking bitch broke the rules again and copied somebody's NP. |
| I would say the first half of both are pretty equal in quality. Good set-up. I will wait for the second half to make the comparison. Shit hits the fan in the second half in both series. |
| Lancer is Ireland's Child of Light. Episode 1, right after he used his Noble Phantasm, Gae Bolg. No, not everyone can use magic. What you need are Magic Circuits and you are born with them or not. If you aren't, well, tough luck. Can't really tell you anything about Sakura. |
| Sakura is just a childhood friend of Shirou's. She's like Taiga or Mitsuzuri or Issei, not really that important beyond the SoL scenes. |
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hahailham1 said: chickenonthepan said: Lancer's master will be revealed later. Sakura isn't related to the plot in this anime. thank you, that answer most of my curiosity with this anime. ---------- as of now i put 7/10, want to score higher but the animation is a let off Of all things, the animation is a let down? Interesting choice. |
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| Could understand the CG being a little jarring, but the art and animation has been top notch. hahailham1 said: as of now i put 7/10, want to score higher but the animation is a let off wut? animtion not gud? |
TyrelDec 31, 2014 3:46 PM
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| Watching this whilst it was airing made it seem like a weekly chore so I stopped and waited for this cour to end so I could marathon it. Needless to say, this improved the overall experience and made it more bearable. Personally, I think this pales in comparison to Fate/Zero (as of now) in terms of the characters, particularly the masters, and it was quite a disappointment. Thankfully, I'm starting to appreciate UBW for its own merits rather than comparing it to its prequel. I've even come to enjoy the seemingly despised SoL scenes as they are somewhat refreshing and they build upon the characters (regardless of how unsatisfying they may seem). Rider's death was also anti-climactic and served as a disappointment (even in comparison to the 2006 version). There was an extremely noticeable quality drop in the animation during the fight between Saber and Caster, although, with what they've shown up until now, I can hardly complain. I just hope this doesn't happen again. Overall, watching this was an enjoyable experience and I'm looking forward to more. |
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hahailham1 said: emm 1st i dont know how's the original vn and previous adaptaion look and probably have no prior experience with this studio so i compare this to recent anime i watch, let's say Amaburi by Kyoani. mouth-placing, face proportion when facing side, and mixed cg that sometimes feels off, when compared to Amaburi (they also had some war scene, with dragon) the difference is too far. sometimes i do compare this to Tokyo Ravens animation (both have cg for the monster) and TR is still better to watch for me. no offense, tho. it still hanging at watchable level for me That's fine. I just was surprised since normally people complain about everything BUT the animation. Lol. Stick around for more fun in 2nd cour. |
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hahailham1 said: Well no one was trying to offend you or anything, it's just that if you skim through the posts here, you'll notice that most people are saying "shit story, shit characters, I'm only watching for the good animation."emm 1st i dont know how's the original vn and previous adaptaion look and probably have no prior experience with this studio so i compare this to recent anime i watch, let's say Amaburi by Kyoani. mouth-placing, face proportion when facing side, and mixed cg that sometimes feels off, when compared to Amaburi (they also had some war scene, with dragon) the difference is too far. sometimes i do compare this to Tokyo Ravens animation (both have cg for the monster) and TR is still better to watch for me. no offense, tho. it still hanging at watchable level for me edit : hoo, the other route..... seems like she'll be the main character there, she's at the center of the poster :| Your complaint is the exact opposite, which is fascinating I guess. |
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hahailham1 said: Will be revealed in April.actually i want to confirm something about shinji, is his new servant also a rider? or he can draw any class he likes/based on available servant left/another rider but different hero? |
hahailham1 said: at first i do complain too about few things, let's say the date scene at this episode, my initial thought was 'wtf suddenly throwing a date out of nowhere' but remembering shirou past it's all makes sense. I wish all people could be like you. |
glaurungx said: TrueKireiPriest said: 6/10Could you please say more? But I agree with you! I was just looking for a friend to talk to, but you have to be so mean when I try to reach out. :( |
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| OMG "this illusion" by LiSA *~*!!!!! |
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L1sa said: OMG "this illusion" by LiSA *~*!!!!! Your name says it all... |
| ultimately pretty disappointing. the first 10 minutes were pretty bad. the fact that they went on a date (and spent so much time showing it to us) was dumb, but the actual dialogue while on the date was completely banal. it lacked any kind of personality or wit and felt like going through the motions in a typical romcom harem. the rest of the ep was ok but shirou was being particularly annoying and his stupidity at the end of the ep was too much. also wasn't as visually interesting as the previous eps. still, it's been a mostly consistent and amazingly polished first half |
simo000Dec 31, 2014 11:24 PM
| That ending song. They also use it in Studio Deen FSN if I'm not mistaken right? |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zapredon said: That ending song. They also use it in Studio Deen FSN if I'm not mistaken right? They did, it was originally from the FSN visual novel. |
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| hmm, after watching the episode again, I think that the thread around Taiga's neck got tighter, not loosened. Imagine you have a thread with limited length. If some of the loop get loosened, some have to get tighter. And Taiga's head moving around helps too. |
BigSimo said: ultimately pretty disappointing. the first 10 minutes were pretty bad. the fact that they went on a date (and spent so much time showing it to us) was dumb, but the actual dialogue while on the date was completely banal. it lacked any kind of personality or wit and felt like going through the motions in a typical romcom harem. the rest of the ep was ok but shirou was being particularly annoying and his stupidity at the end of the ep was too much. also wasn't as visually interesting as the previous eps. still, it's been a mostly consistent and amazingly polished first half The first 10 mins couldn't possibly be Rin doing what she said she would do at the end of the previous episode. The only bad thing about the date is people have to wait 3+ months to see any pay off for it. I almost wish it were in the 2nd half at this point. |
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| I thought there was more than enough wit and charm to the date to keep me interested. The banter between Shirou and Rin alone makes it awesome to watch :) |
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BigSimo said: ultimately pretty disappointing. the first 10 minutes were pretty bad. the fact that they went on a date (and spent so much time showing it to us) was dumb, but the actual dialogue while on the date was completely banal. it lacked any kind of personality or wit and felt like going through the motions in a typical romcom harem. the rest of the ep was ok but shirou was being particularly annoying and his stupidity at the end of the ep was too much. also wasn't as visually interesting as the previous eps. still, it's been a mostly consistent and amazingly polished first half One more retarded comment. Do you really remember what happened last ep? Also: hahailham1 said: at first i do complain too about few things, let's say the date scene at this episode, my initial thought was 'wtf suddenly throwing a date out of nowhere' but remembering shirou past it's all makes sense. And are you implying that you can do better than him in that situation? Let your sister die? :) |
mickdrew_99 said: I thought there was more than enough wit and charm to the date to keep me interested. The banter between Shirou and Rin alone makes it awesome to watch :) i thought it was too awkward. shirou himself is not much different from your standard harem lead (when he's not doing holy grail stuff, that is); when it comes to girls he's overly nice and clueless about feelings. his dialogue reflects this, which is why i find it banal. rin is more interesting but still falls back on being a typical tsundere, albeit not too much of the tsun. i can't call this dialogue interesting when i've seen something like Spice and Wolf, which has fantastic witty banter between male & female who obviously like and depend on each other. and anyway, the scene with shirou and rin in episode 11 where they just talk about mage training and stuff -- this was far more effective and so much more natural. my main problem with the date thing though is why spend so long on it? or why even have it? by the end of the date nothing between shirou and rin had changed. it just felt like a setup for the bus thing. chickenonthepan said: BigSimo said: ultimately pretty disappointing. the first 10 minutes were pretty bad. the fact that they went on a date (and spent so much time showing it to us) was dumb, but the actual dialogue while on the date was completely banal. it lacked any kind of personality or wit and felt like going through the motions in a typical romcom harem. the rest of the ep was ok but shirou was being particularly annoying and his stupidity at the end of the ep was too much. also wasn't as visually interesting as the previous eps. still, it's been a mostly consistent and amazingly polished first half One more retarded comment. Do you really remember what happened last ep? ooh, how friendly. 'retarded'. there's a nice word. just to make sure i wasn't missing anything, i went back over the last part of episode 11. care to explain what you're on about? in ep 11 rin and shirou had a great discussion about stuff, and then it finished with rin promising to make shirou admit defeat tomorrow. defeat over what? i'm still not entirely sure. making him realize how to have fun for himself or something, but whatever it's irrelevant. this is the setup for the date, which explains why they go on a date. that doesn't give a free pass for the date even being a thing, since the date was long and boring and didn't change anything. i assume this is what you're referring to when you call my comment retarded. oh and just to clarify, when i say shirou was stupid at the end of the ep, i mean when he gets out of bed, still very much injured (remember how a sword went through him?), to go looking for rin because he's worried about her (because after all, men must protect women because women are weak and men are strong! such a kind protagonist! nevermind the fact that rin has archer to protect her). this was also especially dumb of shirou because how would he know where to find rin? of course, he finds her anyway because that's what the writers decided, but it's illogical. |
BigSimo said: I can't take you seriously with that bolded part. Shirou is a suicidal person, he doesn't value his own life and places others' safety above his own. Being a girl has jackshit to do with it. He would still have done the same even if it was a guy. He doesn't know joy and the only way he can experience happiness is through helping others. Looking for Rin to help her is something he would do, circumstances don't matter.oh and just to clarify, when i say shirou was stupid at the end of the ep, i mean when he gets out of bed, still very much injured (remember how a sword went through him?), to go looking for rin because he's worried about her (because after all, men must protect women because women are weak and men are strong! such a kind protagonist! nevermind the fact that rin has archer to protect her). this was also especially dumb of shirou because how would he know where to find rin? of course, he finds her anyway because that's what the writers decided, but it's illogical. As for him finding Rin, not sure why they just jumped into that without explaining it, maybe it's because it gets repeated next cour and they want to cut down on the explanations but if you want to know That's all it is. |
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StrayBotato said: BigSimo said: I can't take you seriously with that bolded part. Shirou is a suicidal person, he doesn't value his own life and places others' safety above his own. Being a girl has jackshit to do with it. He would still have done the same even if it was a guy. He doesn't know joy and the only way he can experience happiness is through helping others. Looking for Rin to help her is something he would do, circumstances don't matter.oh and just to clarify, when i say shirou was stupid at the end of the ep, i mean when he gets out of bed, still very much injured (remember how a sword went through him?), to go looking for rin because he's worried about her (because after all, men must protect women because women are weak and men are strong! such a kind protagonist! nevermind the fact that rin has archer to protect her). this was also especially dumb of shirou because how would he know where to find rin? of course, he finds her anyway because that's what the writers decided, but it's illogical. As for him finding Rin, not sure why they just jumped into that without explaining it, maybe it's because it gets repeated next cour and they want to cut down on the explanations but if you want to know That's all it is. ok ok, you're right, i shouldn't have included the bolded part. it's just i remember reading about how the creator of the VN was criticized for his somewhat sexist views of women, and this is kinda reflected in shirou at times (just some of his dialogue). also how do we know if he'd do the same thing for a guy, if he has never done that before? the fact that he's surrounded by women kind of sets him up for a whole lot of damsel in distress situations. it probably sounds like i'm plucking at straws here, but you haven't sold me on it yet. i'm still not sure i buy your explanation for why shirou behaves so irrationally. it makes sense, and there is indication of that, but i've seen so many male protagonists pull the exact same kind of shit before that i just don't feel anything from it. the whole 'protect the woman' thing. jumping in front of a bullet, all that stuff is not particularly exciting characterization, particularly when outside of this shirou is a kind of dull highschool boy who could slot into a harem setup if there wasn't a holy grail war going on. now don't get me wrong, i do like this show quite a bit and shirou is a mostly interesting character when shit is going down. it's just sometimes he goes too far for my liking (like the aforementioned situation of running through the town with a sword hole in his chest, on the hunt for rin). regarding him being able to find rin - fair enough. though they should have mentioned this, or at least alluded to it (and if they have then i apologize). as someone who hasn't played hte VN, i'm judging everyhting based on what is being presented to me in the anime alone. |
simo000Jan 1, 2015 3:23 AM
BigSimo said: mickdrew_99 said: I thought there was more than enough wit and charm to the date to keep me interested. The banter between Shirou and Rin alone makes it awesome to watch :) i thought it was too awkward. shirou himself is not much different from your standard harem lead (when he's not doing holy grail stuff, that is); when it comes to girls he's overly nice and clueless about feelings. his dialogue reflects this, which is why i find it banal. rin is more interesting but still falls back on being a typical tsundere, albeit not too much of the tsun. i can't call this dialogue interesting when i've seen something like Spice and Wolf, which has fantastic witty banter between male & female who obviously like and depend on each other. and anyway, the scene with shirou and rin in episode 11 where they just talk about mage training and stuff -- this was far more effective and so much more natural. my main problem with the date thing though is why spend so long on it? or why even have it? by the end of the date nothing between shirou and rin had changed. it just felt like a setup for the bus thing. chickenonthepan said: One more retarded comment. Do you really remember what happened last ep? ooh, how friendly. 'retarded'. there's a nice word. just to make sure i wasn't missing anything, i went back over the last part of episode 11. care to explain what you're on about? in ep 11 rin and shirou had a great discussion about stuff, and then it finished with rin promising to make shirou admit defeat tomorrow. defeat over what? i'm still not entirely sure. making him realize how to have fun for himself or something, but whatever it's irrelevant. this is the setup for the date, which explains why they go on a date. that doesn't give a free pass for the date even being a thing, since the date was long and boring and didn't change anything. i assume this is what you're referring to when you call my comment retarded. oh and just to clarify, when i say shirou was stupid at the end of the ep, i mean when he gets out of bed, still very much injured (remember how a sword went through him?), to go looking for rin because he's worried about her (because after all, men must protect women because women are weak and men are strong! such a kind protagonist! nevermind the fact that rin has archer to protect her). this was also especially dumb of shirou because how would he know where to find rin? of course, he finds her anyway because that's what the writers decided, but it's illogical. Fine, I'll bite. He's not clueless. In fact he was clearly deliberately teasing Rin right there. The date was maybe 10 minutes tops in a 1 hour episode, whats so long about it? Yes, something has changed, they got closer, and even the same can be said for Saber. Additionally if you paid attention there's some foreshadowing and hinting going on. It being boring is subjective, but then there clearly is a purpose to it-Rin realizes Shirou's character and wants to help him out. Botato covered the last bit already. Additionally, he wanted to find Rin even more so because he realized that it was she who saved him, and he wants to tell her he wants to keep fighting in the grail war. BigSimo said: StrayBotato said: I can't take you seriously with that bolded part. Shirou is a suicidal person, he doesn't value his own life and places others' safety above his own. Being a girl has jackshit to do with it. He would still have done the same even if it was a guy. He doesn't know joy and the only way he can experience happiness is through helping others. Looking for Rin to help her is something he would do, circumstances don't matter. As for him finding Rin, not sure why they just jumped into that without explaining it, maybe it's because it gets repeated next cour and they want to cut down on the explanations but if you want to know That's all it is. ok ok, you're right, i shouldn't have included the bolded part. it's just i remember reading about how the creator of the VN was criticized for his somewhat sexist views of women, and this is kinda reflected in shirou at times (just some of his dialogue). also how do we know if he'd do the same thing for a guy, if he has never done that before? the fact that he's surrounded by women kind of sets him up for a whole lot of damsel in distress situations. it probably sounds like i'm plucking at straws here, but you haven't sold me on it yet. i'm still not sure i buy your explanation for why shirou behaves so irrationally. it makes sense, and there is indication of that, but i've seen so many male protagonists pull the exact same kind of shit before that i just don't feel anything from it. the whole 'protect the woman' thing. jumping in front of a bullet, all that stuff is not particularly exciting characterization, particularly when outside of this shirou is a kind of dull highschool boy who could slot into a harem setup if there wasn't a holy grail war going on. now don't get me wrong, i do like this show quite a bit and shirou is a mostly interesting character when shit is going down. it's just sometimes he goes too far for my liking (like the aforementioned situation of running through the town with a sword hole in his chest, on the hunt for rin). regarding him being able to find rin - fair enough. though they should have mentioned this, or at least alluded to it (and if they have then i apologize). as someone who hasn't played hte VN, i'm judging everyhting based on what is being presented to me in the anime alone. Yeah, Nasu is such a sexist, just look at all those weak, stereotypical women in his works......oh wait. The only vaguely "sexist" thing Shirou does is in Fate where he tells Saber women shouldn't have to fight, which is more of a cultural phenomenon and in any case is just an excuse for him to not let her protect him because of his personal feelings about being protected by others in general, what with his guilt after the fire and all. |
WrongPriest said: Shirou's actions have nothing to with gender. The reason for his actions will be shown in the second half of UBW and also explains every "girls shouldn't fight" line from Fate. Every single sexist argument is taken out of context from fate... Which also happens to be the route with the anime adaptation. that's great. i don't care about the VN because i'm watching the anime here, not reading the VN. UNTIL i see it all completely justified, i can't just go 'oh ok' because i'm judging based on what i've seen so far. character development (and anything, for that matter) from the VN has ZERO relevance to the anime unless it actually occurs in the anime. this is how adaptations work. it's like seeing a film that's adapted from a book, without having read the book. you can only judge based on the film. i mean yeah, i'll take your word for it that it will be justified later on. but i just want people to see it from my perspective - i don't know shit about the fate universe. i only know about what i'm watching. |
BigSimo said: WrongPriest said: Shirou's actions have nothing to with gender. The reason for his actions will be shown in the second half of UBW and also explains every "girls shouldn't fight" line from Fate. Every single sexist argument is taken out of context from fate... Which also happens to be the route with the anime adaptation. that's great. i don't care about the VN because i'm watching the anime here, not reading the VN. UNTIL i see it all completely justified, i can't just go 'oh ok' because i'm judging based on what i've seen so far. character development (and anything, for that matter) from the VN has ZERO relevance to the anime unless it actually occurs in the anime. this is how adaptations work. it's like seeing a film that's adapted from a book, without having read the book. you can only judge based on the film. i mean yeah, i'll take your word for it that it will be justified later on. but i just want people to see it from my perspective - i don't know shit about the fate universe. i only know about what i'm watching. Sooo.....why did you mention about the the VN's writer being criticized for his sexist views on women (false anyway) when there really hasn't been anything to indicate that in the anime? It's not like any of the women portrayed are particularly weak stereotypes or anything. |
BigSimo said: As Wrong said, most of the 'sexist' arguments take stuff out of context. That's not to say the author is completely guiltless as he himself admits that, looking back, he could have written certain parts better. And even then, there are still instances where it is neither taken out of context nor did Nasu mess up in his writing, but it's a simple difference in cultural values between Japan and the west. This thread discusses the matter more in depth, so if you are interested you can read some of the responses which are quite interesting. Although there are some spoilers, so tread lightly. As for doing this even for guys, Remember the conversation with Issei in episode 1 when he tells Shirou that he appreciates that he always helps, but warns him that it's unhealthy. He also has some kind of dispute with Shinji in the same episode yet ends up helping him out even though you'd expect him to punch the crap out of him after their conversation. Then you have the instances with Caster where he got mad over hurting anyone in the city; it didn't matter if it was male or female, as long as it's a person that is endangered, his selfless, suicidal instinct kicks in. He even showed concern for Kuzuki even after seeing him as an enemy, albeit briefly.ok ok, you're right, i shouldn't have included the bolded part. it's just i remember reading about how the creator of the VN was criticized for his somewhat sexist views of women, and this is kinda reflected in shirou at times (just some of his dialogue). also how do we know if he'd do the same thing for a guy, if he has never done that before? the fact that he's surrounded by women kind of sets him up for a whole lot of damsel in distress situations. it probably sounds like i'm plucking at straws here, but you haven't sold me on it yet. i'm still not sure i buy your explanation for why shirou behaves so irrationally. it makes sense, and there is indication of that, but i've seen so many male protagonists pull the exact same kind of shit before that i just don't feel anything from it. the whole 'protect the woman' thing. jumping in front of a bullet, all that stuff is not particularly exciting characterization, particularly when outside of this shirou is a kind of dull highschool boy who could slot into a harem setup if there wasn't a holy grail war going on. now don't get me wrong, i do like this show quite a bit and shirou is a mostly interesting character when shit is going down. it's just sometimes he goes too far for my liking (like the aforementioned situation of running through the town with a sword hole in his chest, on the hunt for rin). regarding him being able to find rin - fair enough. though they should have mentioned this, or at least alluded to it (and if they have then i apologize). as someone who hasn't played hte VN, i'm judging everyhting based on what is being presented to me in the anime alone. Now for your second paragraph I'm hoping second cour will make that clearer because it should go in depth about his ideals and why did he turn out so messed up as a person. Although I'm not entirely sure if it will be enough because A) The director can still screw up (like in Archer vs. Caster fight an important monologue was omitted) and B) This route expects you to know stuff about Shirou from Fate route, which doesn't have a decent anime. For the last bit, yes like I said I'm not sure myself why they removed, but I'm speculating it could be because it will be mentioned again in a later event and they didn't want to repeat it. If they don't, well, it's one more thing to add to the list of things they missed, I guess <.< Edit: Holy shit, sniped 5 times wtf I hate this thread now -__- |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: Sigh why can't we think of Rin as a person Shirou is interested in or his comrade or ally.........rather than just a girl. Seriously people complaining about Nasu or Shirou being sexist are the ones with the sexist mindset. not sure how you reached that conclusion. but look, i just mentioned that i read elsewhere that nasu was criticised for being somewhat sexist when the VN originally came out. i'm not claiming it as fact, i'm just suggesting that the character of shirou is not completely free from such criticisms. Insertanamehere said: Fine, I'll bite. He's not clueless. In fact he was clearly deliberately teasing Rin right there. The date was maybe 10 minutes tops in a 1 hour episode, whats so long about it? Yes, something has changed, they got closer, and even the same can be said for Saber. Additionally if you paid attention there's some foreshadowing and hinting going on. It being boring is subjective, but then there clearly is a purpose to it-Rin realizes Shirou's character and wants to help him out. Botato covered the last bit already. Additionally, he wanted to find Rin even more so because he realized that it was she who saved him, and he wants to tell her he wants to keep fighting in the grail war. i meant clueless in that he's completely unaware of rin's interest (beyond friendship) in him. when she goes all tsundere he's just like "i don't get it". thinking about it now though, it's not THAT bad. the typical roles are almost reversed when rin suggests the date and shirou is the one blushing and freaking out. but the part where rin puts glasses on him, for example, he's a little slow, just doesn't get the joke or why rin is doing all this stuff. i feel like it's made worse (for me anyway) in contrast to the great conversation they had the night before where they seemed really in-tune and relaxed and it felt natural. it's not about relativity. a ten minute date is a ten minute date, regardless of what comes before/after. generic montage dates are bad enough in romcoms. seeing them in a show that's about an epic holy grail war with lots of death and fighting and A LOT at stake is jarring and quite unnecessary. i'm not sure how they got closer. it may have appeared that they did, but nothing really changed in terms of their behavior (especially given all the crazy shit that followed), and the stuff they talked about on the date was of no consequence to anything; again, comparing it to their d&m the previous night, it feels kind of pointless. it's just a lot of blushing and laughing, but they're no closer to actually dating or anything like that. it doesn't progress their love life or their 'professional' (grail-related) relationship, nor does it give us viewers any valuable information, besides the apparent foreshadowing that i seem to have missed. rin realized all the important stuff about shirou the previous night. and yes, boring is subjective, but i think the above explains why i found it largely uninteresting. Insertanamehere said: Yeah, Nasu is such a sexist, just look at all those weak, stereotypical women in his works......oh wait. The only vaguely "sexist" thing Shirou does is in Fate where he tells Saber women shouldn't have to fight, which is more of a cultural phenomenon and in any case is just an excuse for him to not let her protect him because of his personal feelings about being protected by others in general, what with his guilt after the fire and all. you have a point. i'll lay off the sexism comments because i don't know enough in this regard. it's not a major issue for me anyway. |
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