| On the subject, there's something I always wanted to see when I read the VN I just wanted to see him casually, effortlessly practice projection. Like, I don't know about the rest of you, but I personally never really liked the way his projections were handled. To me it always felt like it came out of nowhere. Yes, there were hints. But I wanted to see it shown. As in, one scene where it actually shows him struggle and fail with Strengthening, and then get visibly frustrated and project a couple of tea kettles, kitchen knives, etc. to calm himself down. Kinda like the strengthening scene with Saber in this anime. You get to see it in action and learn how it works without heavy introspection from Shirou. Except Projection needs it even more. Without any precedent for it, the teacher fight will be secondary shit-cataclysm (greater than shitstorm). Humans taking down servants will already be a tough pill to swallow, and Shirou getting unforseen shonen fightan powerups out of nowhere will make things so much worse. But if, for example, next episode you show hin casually toss out a couple of projections it won't cause secondaries to rage, it will just confuse the crap out if them and most likely grab their curiousity. I don't know. We'll see what they'll do. |
| That is exactly what I want to see and what I wrote two pages ago or so. I just want to see Shirou do some sort of projection before he pulls off his real abilities against Kuzuki. |
| My suggestion isn't half bad. I hope they do something similar to it. |
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CorePriest said: That is exactly what I want to see and what I wrote two pages ago or so. I just want to see Shirou do some sort of projection before he pulls off his real abilities against Kuzuki. ditto too. Just show him doing kettles,leavin the shed, Rin walking in and having horrified facial expression. |
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CookingPriest said: Not Rin, Saber walks in and sees that, asks him and he explains just like previous time.CorePriest said: That is exactly what I want to see and what I wrote two pages ago or so. I just want to see Shirou do some sort of projection before he pulls off his real abilities against Kuzuki. ditto too. Just show him doing kettles,leavin the shed, Rin walking in and having horrified facial expression. Or just him on his own and give him a flashback or something too. |
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| Oh, hey, then I guess I should have skimmed past more than a page of the argument. Whatev. Honestly they should put something like that in tomorrow's episide if for no other reason than it's going to be broing as hell otherwise. Episodes 9 and 11...nothing happens at all. The most interesting thing is a conversation with archer in 11. |
in my personal opinion Iskandar (or Alexander The Great) was the best developed character, and i loved his philosophy and personality HO GOD Yes. In fact you should watch in place of fate stay night. Its far superior to it in pretty much every aspect. No, IN every aspect. Fate Stay Night isn't AWFUL, it has some good points, but it doesn't really compare to Fate Zero. And you'll enjoy fate Zero much more without watching fate Stay Night Never saw FSN, and dont care if I ever do. Fate/Zero on the other hand was epic and im glad I watched it I read the Fate/Stay Night VN and I still think that Zero is better. Most of the cast of SN is quite stereotypical and annoying, specially Shirou and Sakura and the story is good but not great enough, maybe with HF being the exception. Although I respect Nasu's work, the concept about the Holy Grail War is just amazing. |
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| I swear some of that is just trolling especially Never saw FSN, and dont care if I ever do. Fate/Zero on the other hand was epic and im glad I watched it "Oh I really liked one part of the Fate universe but I don't care if I see any other part because I really like this one" Like wat |
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nocorras said: I swear some of that is just trolling especially Never saw FSN, and dont care if I ever do. Fate/Zero on the other hand was epic and im glad I watched it "Oh I really liked one part of the Fate universe but I don't care if I see any other part because I really like this one" Like wat because hentai harem shonen game m8. |
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CookingPriest said: nocorras said: I swear some of that is just trolling especially "Oh I really liked one part of the Fate universe but I don't care if I see any other part because I really like this one" Like wat because hentai harem shonen game m8. but if you miss out on this series your gonna miss out of the plot twist of it all really being Touko's Harem |
MaloghurstDec 5, 2014 3:10 PM
Kaixe-Rho said: Oh, hey, then I guess I should have skimmed past more than a page of the argument. Whatev. Honestly they should put something like that in tomorrow's episide if for no other reason than it's going to be broing as hell otherwise. Episodes 9 and 11...nothing happens at all. The most interesting thing is a conversation with archer in 11. Episodes 9 and 10 will slow things down considerably. But it's not like these moments are boring imo - some are actually relatively funny -, it's just that F/SN wasn't written for the purpose of fitting 20-min episodes. That makes these episodes not have the sense of closure other anime do, but that's only a problem if you have to wait an entire week to see the next episode. Once everything is done, it all flows pretty well. |
FlameseeK said: Kaixe-Rho said: Oh, hey, then I guess I should have skimmed past more than a page of the argument. Whatev. Honestly they should put something like that in tomorrow's episide if for no other reason than it's going to be broing as hell otherwise. Episodes 9 and 11...nothing happens at all. The most interesting thing is a conversation with archer in 11. Episodes 9 and 10 will slow things down considerably. But it's not like these moments are boring imo - some are actually relatively funny -, it's just that F/SN wasn't written for the purpose of fitting 20-min episodes. That makes these episodes not have the sense of closure other anime do, but that's only a problem if you have to wait an entire week to see the next episode. Once everything is done, it all flows pretty well. THey are slow but its exactly that's why its okay to add stuff for Shirou in them. Make him reflect of all that has happened. And show him tracing kettle pots. |
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| Well, these are my current predictions: Episode 9 * Should begin with the Archer scene * Maybe the dream/foreshadowing stuff * Covers Shirou's investigation * Wraps it up with the scene between Shinji and Kirei Episode 10 * Starts with the scene where Gilgamesh is spotted * Shirou's motivation / foreshadowing * Rin's dream + discussion with archer * At the end of the day, they meet Kuzuki Episode 11 * Fight against Caster & Kuzuki Episode 12 * Shinji and Gil in the basement (or maybe at the end of episode 11?) * The fact that Shirou's tired and him accidently breaking the plates * His conversation with Rin about his motivations * His training --> conversation with Saber and Archer * The date * The Caster scene I took these notes as I went through the novel yesterday. So yeah, there definitely should be some foreshadowing, but I don't know if they will include anything related to projections. I guess we'll have to wait and see. There also seems to be an awful lot of stuff to cover in the final episode. I wonder if they're going to cover these things properly. |
FlameseeK said: Well, these are my current predictions: Episode 9 * Should begin with the Archer scene * Maybe the dream/foreshadowing stuff * Covers Shirou's investigation * Wraps it up with the scene between Shinji and Kirei Episode 10 * Starts with the scene where Gilgamesh is spotted * Shirou's motivation / foreshadowing * Rin's dream + discussion with archer * At the end of the day, they meet Kuzuki Episode 11 * Fight against Caster & Kuzuki Episode 12 * Shinji and Gil in the basement (or maybe at the end of episode 11?) * The fact that Shirou's tired and him accidently breaking the plates * His conversation with Rin about his motivations * His training --> conversation with Saber and Archer * The date * The Caster scene I took these notes as I went through the novel yesterday. So yeah, there definitely should be some foreshadowing, but I don't know if they will include anything related to projections. I guess we'll have to wait and see. There also seems to be an awful lot of stuff to cover in the final episode. I wonder if they're going to cover these things properly. 45 minute last episode hype? A man can dream =| |
CookingPriest said: YEah, OH MY GOD the hilt was the same.....Even 4 year old toddler would considering its design. . He sure has good eyesight and memory to recognize an entire sword from half a hilt full of cracks... |
| Man, I honestly don't know how they're gonna fit things in. I think showing the basement scene at the end of episode 11 would definitely be helpful. The conversations between Shirou and Rin as well as the one in the shed are too important to skip imo. Add things like Shirou checking up on Rin in her room, the bread discussion... not sure if they will include all of these, but they add up to a lengthier episode as well. Skipping Shirou breaking the plates (could be at the start I guess?) is probably out of the question imo and rushing the "date" too much isn't a good idea either. That being said, I don't think they'd need to double the length of the episode to cover everything. 5-10 extra minutes would probably suffice. But the usual length? I don't know, it seems a bit too much stuff. I hope they don't mess up. EDIT: On top of that, there has to be enough time to wrap things up. Things aren't instantly solved the moment they find Caster. Unless they finish the episode on a cliffhanger, which would be pretty crazy since him not being a master anymore is the perfect way to finish the first cour. |
FlamepriesTDec 5, 2014 4:08 PM
| Well, they won't be adding 5-10 minutes that is something that just isn't done or at least I'm not aware of it. It would be best to just hope some of this will be added in the BD's. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3priest said: Well, they won't be adding 5-10 minutes that is something that just isn't done or at least I'm not aware of it. It would be best to just hope some of this will be added in the BD's. Exactly. Which is why I can't get my head around how they could ever cover all that should undoubtedly be in episode 12. Unless it's a longer episode, I don't think they can do it all properly. There just isn't enough time... :C |
| my god the coments in that Glass Relection guys review...the kerryfags are like a mongol horde i think i may have saved one or two ppl.... |
MaloghurstDec 5, 2014 4:49 PM
| Yeah, the only way they reach Taiganapping is if they have 45 min episode. Otherwise we are ending with "something is wrong with shirou" stuff. |
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| Man, I'll just come out and say it: even with more monologues and explanations, I bet a lot of people who aren't going to like Shirou's projection powers wouldn't really change their mind. I'm pretty sure to a lot of those people foreshadowing and explanations don't mean too much. They see Shirou as a headstrong "I want to save everyone" MC who will somehow be able to combat super humans with a power that no one else has. Explaining it probably won't change anything for them. After all, they already don't care about his psychological trauma, his combat intuition, or his ideals. It probably won't matter to most of them how or why Shirou is able to project weapons and fight servants. Just the fact that he is able to do so will rile them up. Even if you try to go to the very root of why it all works, they can probably just dumb it down to "So he sucks at all magic but his one super special magic that hardly anyone else has, because he is good at swords." Just gotta let mongrels be mongrels. |
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ANGRY2011 said: Man, I'll just come out and say it: even with more monologues and explanations, I bet a lot of people who aren't going to like Shirou's projection powers wouldn't really change their mind. I'm pretty sure to a lot of those people foreshadowing and explanations don't mean too much. They see Shirou as a headstrong "I want to save everyone" MC who will somehow be able to combat super humans with a power that no one else has. Explaining it probably won't change anything for them. After all, they already don't care about his psychological trauma, his combat intuition, or his ideals. It probably won't matter to most of them how or why Shirou is able to project weapons and fight servants. Just the fact that he is able to do so will rile them up. Even if you try to go to the very root of why it all works, they can probably just dumb it down to "So he sucks at all magic but his one super special magic that hardly anyone else has, because he is good at swords." Just gotta let mongrels be mongrels. TBH, most of the people who make these kind of comments on YT, Reddit, Forums, or what-have-you aren't your typical viewer. Most people are capable of empathasizing with Shirou, and those that don't probably bash on characters in other series with heroic flaws. And a lot of it seems to be group polarization. They see other people bashing on Shirou and join in with the same rhetoric. |
| Facepalm. Harry Potter books (at least until 6th haven't read past that) are in chronological order. You see if it's a prequel, it means that it was before the original material. For people who have watched original material, it's a great way to see what happened before and get some questions answered, for people who are new it's prequels offer a good starting point and you're still able to connect dots. ANGRY2011 said: Man, I'll just come out and say it: even with more monologues and explanations, I bet a lot of people who aren't going to like Shirou's projection powers wouldn't really change their mind. false equivalence. Even if it does not erase irrational poisoned secondaries, it erases rational complaints. |
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SwordHand said: ANGRY2011 said: Man, I'll just come out and say it: even with more monologues and explanations, I bet a lot of people who aren't going to like Shirou's projection powers wouldn't really change their mind. I'm pretty sure to a lot of those people foreshadowing and explanations don't mean too much. They see Shirou as a headstrong "I want to save everyone" MC who will somehow be able to combat super humans with a power that no one else has. Explaining it probably won't change anything for them. After all, they already don't care about his psychological trauma, his combat intuition, or his ideals. It probably won't matter to most of them how or why Shirou is able to project weapons and fight servants. Just the fact that he is able to do so will rile them up. Even if you try to go to the very root of why it all works, they can probably just dumb it down to "So he sucks at all magic but his one super special magic that hardly anyone else has, because he is good at swords." Just gotta let mongrels be mongrels. TBH, most of the people who make these kind of comments on YT, Reddit, Forums, or what-have-you aren't your typical viewer. Most people are capable of empathasizing with Shirou, and those that don't probably bash on characters in other series with heroic flaws. And a lot of it seems to be group polarization. They see other people bashing on Shirou and join in with the same rhetoric. seen an umber of these reaction videos and it looks like none of them seem to have any issue with the series, including the commenters. i can see what you mean a lot of them in their shit talking seem to only come up with stuff that came out of DEEN/stay night |
| I have seen ALL Of reaction videos and at least half believe SHirou goes by luck alone and that he could not get what Rin wanted last episode. |
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FlameseeK said: Well, these are my current predictions: I took these notes as I went through the novel yesterday. So yeah, there definitely should be some foreshadowing, but I don't know if they will include anything related to projections. I guess we'll have to wait and see. There also seems to be an awful lot of stuff to cover in the final episode. I wonder if they're going to cover these things properly. You forgot the anime original scenes involving Sakura to connect UBW better with zero. |
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antonn said: People know you, antonn-kun.FlameseeK said: Well, these are my current predictions: I took these notes as I went through the novel yesterday. So yeah, there definitely should be some foreshadowing, but I don't know if they will include anything related to projections. I guess we'll have to wait and see. There also seems to be an awful lot of stuff to cover in the final episode. I wonder if they're going to cover these things properly. You forgot the anime original scenes involving Sakura to connect UBW better with zero. Your baiting techniques' level of effectiveness must be about as low as BloodRequiem's, at this point. |
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GangstaPriest said: People know you, antonn-kun. Your baiting techniques' level of effectiveness must be about as low as BloodRequiem's, at this point. I figured as much. Just occasionally someone will take me seriously which is quite unfortunate. |
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CookingPriest said: Facepalm. Harry Potter books (at least until 6th haven't read past that) are in chronological order. You see if it's a prequel, it means that it was before the original material. For people who have watched original material, it's a great way to see what happened before and get some questions answered, for people who are new it's prequels offer a good starting point and you're still able to connect dots. ANGRY2011 said: Man, I'll just come out and say it: even with more monologues and explanations, I bet a lot of people who aren't going to like Shirou's projection powers wouldn't really change their mind. false equivalence. Even if it does not erase irrational poisoned secondaries, it erases rational complaints. False equivalence what? I'm pretty sure my post doesn't invoke false equivalence. You can't just throw the term out there like it says everything that needs to be said. A lot of what you post here is quotes from people who I would wager fall into a vocal minority. And I'm pretty sure that they won't care about explanations or foreshadowing. You'd still be seeing the same shitposts and ignorant opinions from them no matter what. I didn't say that including monologues or additional explanation wouldn't solve anything, nor did I say that everyone who has complaints falls under the group of people who are gonna hate it anyway. I specifically identified a group that I believe to be a vocal minority (angry secondaries, elitist zerofags) and theorized that they wouldn't be satisfied with any explanation. Most of the quotes pulled from other sites that people post here appear to be lost causes. Hence, let mongrels be mongrels. The calm, reasonable people with legitimate criticisms are never the ones that we have problems with, are they? |
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| You are implying that the criticism for better representation is void because it does not quell the secondary dumbness, when these two points have no argumentative connection. Better representation is not meant to quell the gems i post. It is fro rational people who have those complaints. |
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CookingPriest said: You are implying that the criticism for better representation is void because it does not quell the secondary dumbness, when these two points have no argumentative connection. Better representation is not meant to quell the gems i post. It is fro rational people who have those complaints. I do not believe that I implied (nor did I wish to) that the criticism for a better representation is void because it does not quell secondary dumbness. I stated that I don't believe the suggested improvements from many people would quell secondary dumbness, while making no remarks towards the rational people with reasonable complaints. Clearly, you agree with me on the point I made. The minds of those people will not be swayed even if the adaptation was changed to address rational complaints. As for adding foreshadowing or monologues into the parts we've already seen of the adaptation to address rational complaints, I'm not entirely certain whether those changes would make the adaptation overall better or worse, or better in some categories and worse in others. Depends on where they are inserted / what is cut / how much is added in each individual instance. |
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| Don't forget that adding in monologues would mean removing something else and also causing the series to constantly have dialogues and/or monologues without any breaks, which could become annoying. "Shounen asspulls" would probably be still better than "oh look they have a 20 second monolgoue in a moment that is actually just 0.1 seconds long, that is so shounen-like!" in the grand scheme of things. |
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Grey-Zone said: Don't forget that adding in monologues would mean removing something else and also causing the series to constantly have dialogues and/or monologues without any breaks, which could become annoying. "Shounen asspulls" would probably be still better than "oh look they have a 20 second monolgoue in a moment that is actually just 0.1 seconds long, that is so shounen-like!" in the grand scheme of things. Not really. Well executed monologues that change pacing >>>>>>>>>>>> no monologues yet full of asspulls |
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| >Shirou commanding Saber to attack Archer in F/HA, take traveling time to go to Shinto skyscraper, shows path of travel >Shirou commanding Saber to come to him, wormhole appears,teleportation, we Interstellar now |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
CookingPriest said: Grey-Zone said: Don't forget that adding in monologues would mean removing something else and also causing the series to constantly have dialogues and/or monologues without any breaks, which could become annoying. "Shounen asspulls" would probably be still better than "oh look they have a 20 second monolgoue in a moment that is actually just 0.1 seconds long, that is so shounen-like!" in the grand scheme of things. Not really. Well executed monologues that change pacing >>>>>>>>>>>> no monologues yet full of asspulls And minimal monologues + subtle visual cues >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anime burdened with too many tedious monologues. For the record, I don't think that there have been any asspulls yet, nor am I saying that adding in monologues to what we've already seen would make the anime terrible. I'm holding my judgment until we at least get to the break. |
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BloodRequiem said: >Shirou commanding Saber to attack Archer in F/HA, take traveling time to go to Shinto skyscraper, shows path of travel >Shirou commanding Saber to come to him, wormhole appears,teleportation, we Interstellar now I guess they had a clear shot at the bridge. Lobbed Saber like a javelin. Physically passing through trees, cars, and houses wouldn't be as graceful, so we going through wormholes. |
Shirou has pretty much lucked out of finishing every fight he's been in in the 2014 UBW adaptation. He also has a massive piece of plot armor protecting him from any injuries. I haven't read the VN, but if the adaptation is in any way faithful, these guys are dead on. Got killed by Lancer. Rin saved him with healing. Almost died to Lancer again. Plot summons Saber to protect him. Fights Rin. Random womans scream calls off the fight. Fights Rider. Rin shows up to save him. Kidnapped by Caster. Archer shows up to save him. Fights Archer. Archer toys with him for a while, then assassin fights him. Fights monsters at school. Caster's Master kills him before he has too. ....  |
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| Where did you even get this... Anyone can pull situational quotes out of their ass and it doesn't offer their argument any more foundation... |
WrongPriest said: I hardly think adding 3 interspersed lines of internal dialogue like Rin in the prequel would make the anime "burdened by too many tedious monologues". I agree that we don't want to turn it into Bakemonagatari but when it changes the context of a scene for the worse.. I get the sads. On the topic of projection, they could probably handle it without but I think adding some "trash" to be found would be real classy. No downside at all to have someone find like 3 kettles in the shed, so why not? ^This. |
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| Oh man, war against secondaries is REAL Did you know that; - Grail being evil was cause of Kerry's wish because his wish almost destroyed the grail??! - Or that Gilgamesh being naked in a body was grail granting him a wish. AS was kirei's survival and the fire(which was lancer's wish). - And Zero trumphs fate stay night because unlike fate stay night which is all about romance and shonen fights, Zero focused on character philosophies and viewpoints, challenging the idea of heroism and morality, which Fate never did, even in visual novel. - Zero masters were so much better because they had far better way of thinking in that "killing other masters is a must no matter what" which is how mature people handle things. *sigh* SwordHand said: Where did you even get this... https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=06F97kyVNkk |
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| I like how, no matter the circumstances, the one example everyone gives is Shirou projecting tea kettles. In every scenario where we have shirou practice projecting, tea kettles are always what he makes. No knives, no PVC pipes. Just kettles. Coincidence, or Kettle-based conspiracy? Who can say... Edit: Good sir cook, why do you exist to fan the flames of war? Let filth be filth. Let they not concern you - you should be happier that way. |
WrongPriest said: I hardly think adding 3 interspersed lines of internal dialogue like Rin in the prequel would make the anime "burdened by too many tedious monologues". I agree that we don't want to turn it into Bakemonagatari but when it changes the context of a scene for the worse.. I get the sads. On the topic of projection, they could probably handle it without but I think adding some "trash" to be found would be real classy. No downside at all to have someone find like 3 kettles in the shed, so why not? Man, I just said in that post itself that I didn't think adding in monologues to what we've already seen would necessarily make the anime bad. But since CookingPriest used the formula: Best possible execution >>>>>>>>>>>> worse possible execution I used the same formula. If they added in monologues to what we've seen so far, I'd have to see where they added it / what was cut or changed / the length of the monologue/ the actual dialogue used / frequency of monologues before I could make a call on whether I liked it more with or without them. |
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CookingPriest said: Oh man, war against secondaries is REAL Did you know that; - Grail being evil was cause of Kerry's wish because his wish almost destroyed the grail??! - Or that Gilgamesh being naked in a body was grail granting him a wish. AS was kirei's survival and the fire(which was lancer's wish). - And Zero trumphs fate stay night because unlike fate stay night which is all about romance and shonen fights, Zero focused on character philosophies and viewpoints, challenging the idea of heroism and morality, which Fate never did, even in visual novel. - Zero masters were so much better because they had far better way of thinking in that "killing other masters is a must no matter what" which is how mature people handle things. *sigh* SwordHand said: Where did you even get this... https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=06F97kyVNkk I, ...uh. I want to stranggle the shithead who said this. |
fateoffate said: CookingPriest said: Oh man, war against secondaries is REAL Did you know that; - Grail being evil was cause of Kerry's wish because his wish almost destroyed the grail??! - Or that Gilgamesh being naked in a body was grail granting him a wish. AS was kirei's survival and the fire(which was lancer's wish). - And Zero trumphs fate stay night because unlike fate stay night which is all about romance and shonen fights, Zero focused on character philosophies and viewpoints, challenging the idea of heroism and morality, which Fate never did, even in visual novel. - Zero masters were so much better because they had far better way of thinking in that "killing other masters is a must no matter what" which is how mature people handle things. *sigh* https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=06F97kyVNkk I, ...uh. I want to stranggle the shithead who said this. Wouldn't megakick to... umm... lower part of the body be more in line with your avatar? |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| [quote]Sorry, but no. Zero is also about character motivations and philosophy, the difference being Zero did it far, far better, because it's characters are more diverse, and they did not have plot armor protecting them all the way through. Shirou's nonsensically extreme 'save everyone' philosophy is only allowed to survive as long as it does because other characters keep saving him from his own stupidity. If Fate/Stay Night really wanted to impress me with it's philosophical stands, it would have killed Shirou like he deserved. Zero gives us characters like Rider, a much less stereotypically evil version of Gilgamesh, and an 'ends justify the means' style character in Kiritsugu who was more effective than Archer because we saw the details of what made him who he is. We got Ryounesske's thoughts on God, and Waver learning self confidence. All of which worked much better than anything from Stay Night. And you proved nothing with my second point. It doesn't matter if they were wrong, they provided an explanation. You can get the real answer watching Fate stay Night as a sequel./quote] |
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Aurioch said: Wouldn't megakick to... umm... lower part of the body be more in line with your avatar? Probably. I'm still amazed someone can say this after reading the VN. I don't mind if they critize some point in VN like Shirou an orphan have 27 magic circuit, his first shown projection in Fate being a NP level or Zeltrech Sword in HF. CookingPriest said: Shirou has pretty much lucked out of finishing every fight he's been in in the 2014 UBW adaptation. He also has a massive piece of plot armor protecting him from any injuries. I haven't read the VN, but if the adaptation is in any way faithful, these guys are dead on. Got killed by Lancer. Rin saved him with healing. Almost died to Lancer again. Plot summons Saber to protect him. Fights Rin. Random womans scream calls off the fight. Fights Rider. Rin shows up to save him. Kidnapped by Caster. Archer shows up to save him. Fights Archer. Archer toys with him for a while, then assassin fights him. Fights monsters at school. Caster's Master kills him before he has too. .... Anyone up to take screenshot from VN how he survived all of them? My FSN right now is at my old computer and the distance between us is at least 200 km+ I want to rub that on their crotch. |
fateoffateDec 5, 2014 7:51 PM
| You guys are going to a fate zero video and expect people to like stay night over zero there? You do realize that the people who watch the video would have to love zero in the first place right? They go there to fanboy, and one of the easiest ways to raise team morale is to find a scapegoat to bash on. Bringing the cancer here is probably the worst thing you can do. Why lament over the very filth you despise when you can have better conversations with likeminded fans? "Sorry, but no. Zero is also about character motivations and philosophy, the difference being Zero did it far, far better, because it's characters are more diverse, and they did not have plot armor protecting them all the way through. Shirou's nonsensically extreme 'save everyone' philosophy is only allowed to survive as long as it does because other characters keep saving him from his own stupidity. If Fate/Stay Night really wanted to impress me with it's philosophical stands, it would have killed Shirou like he deserved. Zero gives us characters like Rider, a much less stereotypically evil version of Gilgamesh, and an 'ends justify the means' style character in Kiritsugu who was more effective than Archer because we saw the details of what made him who he is. " ^I could care less about these people's ideas on philosophy when they make broad generalizations and back up their arguments with loaded language. So please don't use the same faulty methods to defend stay night... |
SwordHandDec 5, 2014 7:56 PM
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