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meowmix101 said: Now, I am not sure, but do you guys thing these are numbers? There's been tarot card numbers hidden through the manga since the original Tokyo Ghoul. Each representing the character and their current modd or state of mind. Kaneki has been portrayed as 12 The Hangman, 7 The Chariot, and 9 The Hermit I believe depending on the mood. |
| Well that was painful to read. According to the translations it doesn't seem like Nishki has been chasing him, rather like he knew of his existence but this is first time he faced him? Like he faced him cause he wanted to confirm it for himself Which makes me wonder do the other remaining Anteiku folks know too? I mean...they will now anyways. Also is he himself repressing Kaneki and everything connected to Kaneki or has he been made to forget? Cause that Nishio-senpai came out way too easily Edit: Torso's sneaky bastard, he got away the minute things heated up didn't he |
MuggleBornNov 21, 2014 9:33 PM
| Chapter was amazing but then again it was sad how Kaneki still hadn't resolved his issues. I liked how he creatively used his rinkaku kagune in the fight. He even copied Arima a bit during the fight. Still sad how CCG are using him. Not sure if I'm seeing things but did anyone else notice the wheel of fortune drawn on the floor where Arima is going to have a talk with Kaneki? meowmix101 said: That was the most satisfying chapter to read!! -I agree with the earlier points of Sasaki having a personality to "hide" from being Kaneki. Now, I am not sure, but do you guys thing these are numbers? Firstly, I am aware it is just SFX movement, but I just keep seeing '7', does anyone know what it translate into? here's the tarot meaning, so maybe you guys can either agree or debunk my guessing! Wikipedia said: Another view is that the mood of the card may be characterized as that of conquest. It represents a battle that can be won if the Querent has the willpower for it. The battle is usually an external one, with a clear goal and plan of action. What does this all mean? It means a union of opposites, like the black and white steeds. They pull in different directions, but must be (and can be!) made to go together in one direction. Control is required over opposing emotions, wants, needs, people, or circumstances; to bring them together and give them a single direction, your direction. other meanings: Conquest — Honor — Victory — Energy Egocentrism — Self—confidence — Conviction — Anxiety Willpower — Self—assertion — Hard control — Discipline Inflexibility — Success — Wealth — Recognition Impulsivity — Command — Bravery — Pride The other number I noticed looks like an upside down '8' If inverted, the Querant is in danger of losing control to impulses and desires. Pride and unwarranted anger are also often associated with the inverted card. To add furthermore to it, all of this happened in chapter 7 which is a reference to Tarot card 7 The chariot. |
Z4KNov 21, 2014 9:53 PM
| Holy shit! Sasaki is bad ass! |
| Wow that was an intense chapter! This just makes me crave for more! |
| These chapters just keep topping themselves and getting better and better. Didn't expect this arc to delve into the story this quickly but I'm pleasantly surprised how it's unfolding. -FINALLY our confirmation that Kaneki is Sasaki in some sort of brainwashed/amnesiac state. The trolls on here were starting to get annoying. -Looks like Kaneki might be utilizing multiple Kagune now? The one wrapping around his arm definitely looks like a Koukaku and you can see his/Rize's Rinkaku used too. After a few years with multiple Kakuhous who knows? Could be possible even though it's never been mentioned up to this point. Maybe Kaneki will be the first to pull it off. -The Quinckes reactions after the fight were priceless. That look on Urie's face :P -CCG isn't dumb, they know exactly who they're dealing with here and have a strong plan in place to deal with Kaneki if and when he gets out of control, even going so far as to pass some CCG rules of sorts of how to treat him under different circumstances: "Treat Haise as a human unless his ghoul abilities go out of control." -So most of us were wrong on Tsukiyama being Torso, but Nishiki is indeed Serpent and Sasaki is Kaneki, two out of three aint bad (and let's be real, the last is the only one that really mattered anyway, lol) -How much exactly is Arima involved in control over Kaneki? Was he there for the brainwashing process or did he simply hand him over to CCG higher ups? Hope more of this gets answered next week during their meeting. |
| Ah btw just to make it clear Sasaki doesn't have multiple kagune. He's just creatively using the tentacles of his rinkaku kagune like Kaneki did during anteiku raid. |
CNTRI715 said: How much exactly is Arima involved in control over Kaneki? Was he there for the brainwashing process or did he simply hand him over to CCG higher ups? Many people think that it was Hide's request that Arima should spare Kaneki's life. Looks like Arima did agree but on the condition that Kaneki will be brainwashed about his real identity. They do treat him as a human but don't you think they're still using him? They have accepted Sasaki as a human but not Kaneki. Why? Was Kaneki not a human before? Was his human side still not dominant for protecting his friends be it a human or a ghoul? Because of reasons like these I think CCG is the bad one here save for a few of them. =/ |
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| I could reread this chapter over and over for how amazing it was. Haise healed up pretty quick though, even when he was saying he wouldn't...I mean Nishiki's kicked a whole right through |
linhduong5527 said: i wonder if he's Nishiki why he still doesn't recognize Kaneki yet, if Touka was there, im sure she would realize him immediately. ...he recognized him? Pg 15..??? |
| I'm so happy with this chapter. I was so sick of reading dumb ass posts on multiple websites claiming Kaneki was either dead, Haise is a different person and Haise has Kaneki organs. Haise being Kaneki was so DAMN OBVIOUS! #THEDEBATEISOVER |
ToilgameshNov 21, 2014 10:30 PM
| Why are people so dead set on Kaneki being brainwashed? It's obvious he's being used by the CCG but he's not brainwashed, he just wants to live the new life he has that the CCG is giving him. |
| Nishio-senpai~ Haise remembers him, but doesn't want to. He's doing all he can not to remember, and is dead set on believing he is Haise. He won't be able to keep this up for much longer. Shaniyaz said: Now the question is, how was Kaneki brainwashed? CCG mus've done some crazy sh!t to him. Arima is about to give him a good lesson though. I've been wondering about this too. At first, I'd say Kaneki wanted to forget everything, but that's just not right. He reconciled both his humand and ghoul side, which was a lovely scene. So the CCG must have done something to him. We'll just have to wait a while until we find out what. Watashii said: Why are people so dead set on Kaneki being brainwashed? It's obvious he's being used by the CCG but he's not brainwashed, he just wants to live the new life he has that the CCG is giving him. He's used by the CCG, but he also really does believe he is Haise Sasaki. You don't just forget who you are and create a new persona for yourself. Well, Kaneki definitely wouldn't, he had no reason to. So logically, something else must have caused it: the CCG. linhduong5527 said: MuggleBorn said: which chapter ??...he recognized him? Pg 15..??? Uh, this chapter. He called him Kaneki. Imperial Scans are the ones who are translating the chapters, so it's best to read on their site. |
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nedratje said: Nishio-senpai~ Haise remembers him, but doesn't want to. He's doing all he can not to remember, and is dead set on believing he is Haise. He won't be able to keep this up for much longer. That's what I think too...that more than an external influence Haise himself is repressing his memories related to Kaneki. but the reason for that like you said has to be the CCG |
nedratje said: Watashii said: Why are people so dead set on Kaneki being brainwashed? It's obvious he's being used by the CCG but he's not brainwashed, he just wants to live the new life he has that the CCG is giving him. He's used by the CCG, but he also really does believe he is Haise Sasaki. You don't just forget who you are and create a new persona for yourself. Well, Kaneki definitely wouldn't, he had no reason to. So logically, something else must have caused it: the CCG. He instantly recognized Nishiki. He knows that he's Kaneki but he wants to live the life the CCG gave him as Haise, which is why he tells Akira that he's Haise. They're manipulating his instabilities, but it's not something as cliche as having him be brainwashed. |
Watashii said: Why are people so dead set on Kaneki being brainwashed? It's obvious he's being used by the CCG but he's not brainwashed, he just wants to live the new life he has that the CCG is giving him. i posted this in the spoilers but i touched on the brainwashing subject. i never necessarily thought he was brain washed. peeps always talk of him being stabbed in the brain and that giving him memory loss but he literally can regenerate soooo. i think he has selective amnesia meaning he's choosing not to remember and is repressing his concious recovery, just like how he's repressing the ambitions of his kaneki imagining he has in his head. the truama of the experience (slowly slipping into madness and his belief that he was dying at the conclusion of his battle with arima) gave him an excuse to put his brain on sleep while he, the king of fakes, let the CCG just TELL him who he was. as the story continues kaneki becomes more and more complex and considering almost being eatin by an elaborate portrayal twice, being sadistically tortured and watching as ghouls who just want to leave peacefully are slaughtered on both sides, i think he's scared to "wake up" this seems like the easy way out. to him this may be his only option for salvation, this masquerade of a life he now leads. also i theorize they probably relocated Hide to prevent Kaneki from slipping out of his self imposed amnesia. I think if they've been brainwashing him they wouldn't have to worry about Hide's appearance triggering Kaneki but if he has amnesia things reminiscent of his old life become more of a liability, just as it has been shown with Nishio. i think Akira would pity him. They surely know that he was born human and turned ghoul against his will. the CCG in a very sinister way targets people who've been traumatized by ghouls in some way or another as a part of their recruiting process. Especially if they're connected to the ghoul world like Suzuya or Amon. |
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
Acernos said: Z4k said: Ah btw just to make it clear Sasaki doesn't have multiple kagune. He's just creatively using the tentacles of his rinkaku kagune like Kaneki did during anteiku raid. the problem is that when something new happens, quickly people forget the past, which is sad. Its no that, its just that we remember different things, in my case I remember Shinihara saying, "A different shape of Kagune...just how many kakuhous he has?" @watashii, didn't you see him screaming after he recognize Nishiki, plus he said, Nishio-senpai....wait, who? The guy has dissociative identity disorder, he doesn't remember he had another personality. That is why he screamed his two personalities entered in conflict. I won't say he was brainwashed per say, but CCG is taking advantage of his trauma for their own benefits and gave him the Sasaki persona, this way, the Kaneki persona doesn't exist, since Kaneki is so traumatized that he doesn't want to remember. |
gabyta07Nov 22, 2014 12:07 AM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| And the tragedy continues. Poor Ken :( Epic fight though after Haise released his Ken mode. And damn! Even using Tsukiyama's Kagune. Nishiki's really does know about him after all T^T CCG really erased Kaneki of the face of the earth since they even called him SS Haise. Friggin hyped for nxt chap. Dem Kaneki faces though! How I miss them T^T Loved his squads reaction how BA he is. |
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Acernos said: "Its no that, its just that we remember different things, in my case I remember Shinihara saying, "A different shape of Kagune...just how many kakuhous he has?" but that does not mean that it became another Kagune as koukaku for example, it only can take many forms, but it will still be a rinkaku. Yeah, in that I agree, it is a rinkaku, but each kakuhou, gives the rinkaku a different shape, that's how I understood it. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| Oh dang, things got intense. So Urie now envies Kaneki, Ginshi now has some weird sudden admiration, and Tooru now fears Kaneki? I guess it was obvious with their expressions too. I really didn't expect Urie to do a 180 like that though. I wonder what kinda envy it is though. Probably more of a bad thing. So we'll finally get to see a flashback of what happened in-between Re and the prequel with the next chapter? Really feeling bad for Kaneki. We also need more Hinami, dammit. |
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gabyta07 said: "@watashii, didn't you see him screaming after he recognize Nishiki, plus he said, Nishio-senpai....wait, who? The guy has dissociative identity disorder, he doesn't remember he had another personality. That is why he screamed his two personalities entered in conflict. I won't say he was brainwashed per say, but CCG is taking advantage of his trauma for their own benefits and gave him the Sasaki persona, this way, the Kaneki persona doesn't exist, since Kaneki is so traumatized that he doesn't want to remember. You're right, I remembered what he said to Nishiki wrong, but the rest of that is pretty much what I'm going at. |
ninjastarforcex said: search it with imperial scans included in the searchshit only 12 pages in mangahere, i want to read the tsukkomis :( |
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
Acernos said: gabyta07 said: Yeah, in that I agree, it is a rinkaku, but each kakuhou, gives the rinkaku a different shape, that's how I understood it. for me, the creativity of the User account also. yeah, that too. I agree |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
Acernos said: gabyta07 said: Yeah, in that I agree, it is a rinkaku, but each kakuhou, gives the rinkaku a different shape, that's how I understood it. for me, the creativity of the User account also. Yeah basically means Kaneki can use the other kakuhous if one gets damaged but that doesn't mean they will be different kagune. |
Z4k said: Acernos said: for me, the creativity of the User account also. Yeah basically means Kaneki can use the other kakuhous if one gets damaged but that doesn't mean they will be different kagune. but they do change in shape, if we are to believe shinohara |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
gabyta07 said: Z4k said: Yeah basically means Kaneki can use the other kakuhous if one gets damaged but that doesn't mean they will be different kagune. but they do change in shape, if we are to believe shinohara He meant his kakuja kagune. It suddenly changed from a centipede like tail to 4 tentacles. |
| shinohara explains the rinkaku to be the kagune with the most manipulative qualities. able to break down the form just as easy as building the structure. thats why kaneki was able to change its appearance unlike the other kagunes which seem more finite in structure. vellllcrrroooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
| So I found these in wikipedia A legend (Latin, legenda, "things to be read") is a narrative of human actions that are perceived both by teller and listeners to take place within human history and to possess certain qualities that give the tale verisimilitude. Legend, for its active and passive participants includes no happenings that are outside the realm of "possibility", as that is defined by a highly flexible set of parameters, which may include miracles that are perceived as actually having happened within the specific tradition of indoctrination where the legend arises, and within which tradition it may be transformed over time, in order to keep it fresh and vital, and realistic. Many legends operate within the realm of uncertainty, never being entirely believed by the participants, but also never being resolutely doubted So it is indeed probable that Kaneki-kun will find a way for ghouls and humans to live in harmony right? Just like the manager wanted to. @anikaneki thanks that makes more sense. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| Poor Kaneki. Nearly eaten alive on his first date, turned into ghoul, forced to cannibalize, constantly getting hurt, brutally tortured and now brainwashed.... It is no wonder why he goes crazy.... It makes me wonder what next for him in store... Perhaps killing someone he cares about in front of him or he will do it when he goes berserk again... |
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| I'm soo happy it turned that way ^_^ The best chapter so far. |
| So, all of kaneki/haise friends all joined aogiri. I wonder why? |
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ParkX said: So, all of kaneki/haise friends all joined aogiri. I wonder why? If you're talking about Nishiki, I don't think he's joined up with Aogiri |
ParkX said: So, all of kaneki/haise friends all joined aogiri. I wonder why? My head hurts, how did you come to that conclusion? Aogiri has Amon clones now, they don't need Kaneki's friends. |
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Acernos said: Sparteh said: Poor Kaneki. Nearly eaten alive on his first date, turned into ghoul, forced to cannibalize, constantly getting hurt, brutally tortured and now brainwashed.... It is no wonder why he goes crazy.... It makes me wonder what next for him in store... Perhaps killing someone he cares about in front of him or he will do it when he goes berserk again... it has happened, he saw the mother and son ghoul were killed by Yamori. Oh right. It also seems that he ate Hide. Now I am seriously confused what else could happen to Kaneki... |
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Sparteh said: Acernos said: it has happened, he saw the mother and son ghoul were killed by Yamori. Oh right. It also seems that he ate Hide. Now I am seriously confused what else could happen to Kaneki... We keep thinking that Kaneki's faced his worst, that theres no way it can get any more tragic than it already is....but behold! Ishida-sensei all manages to blow us way...so he probably has crazier stuff up his sleeve |
MuggleBorn said: Sparteh said: Oh right. It also seems that he ate Hide. Now I am seriously confused what else could happen to Kaneki... We keep thinking that Kaneki's faced his worst, that theres no way it can get any more tragic than it already is....but behold! Ishida-sensei all manages to blow us way...so he probably has crazier stuff up his sleeve And what do you think it could be? Based on what we have read already I could only predict Touka and/or Hinami being killed in front of him/by him. Those 2 are probably the closest thing to family that he has left. Everything else has ether happened or would do no damage to him, because he suffered worse than that |
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