The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria (light novel)
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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS VOLUME. ---------------------------------------- Well, Daiya’s pre-emptive deception of ‘O’ was impressive. This volume reveals that the ‘A’ the cinema guide was probably based on Aya Otonashi, probably the reason why Daiya’s description was that she was extremely beautiful that she surpassed Maria. (Although they have different hair colors, IIRC, they had different mothers right?) That ending… Oh boy, I have too much mixed feelings about that ending, waiting for Vol. 7 is gonna be a pain in the ass. |
| Great volume, just quite the cliffhanger ending. It will definitely be a pain in the ass to wait for the last volume. Realized that the series is extremely similar to Madoka Magica, with themes of wishes, and sacrifice. Your Maria/Aya ->Homura comparison is quite fitting. Maria being a lot like Moemura, and Aya being more of the "current Homura" |
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| The cliffhanger killed me. Mikage is a genius. Loved Kazuki's transformation. He changed from a naive and incapable boy to someone who could outwit the sly Daiya. He has some of the best lines too. Can't wait for the next volume. |
| "We should be more proud of NEETs! Love the country that strives to produce NEETs, for world peace, we must stand up! We must find more non NEET-in-waiting elites, learn from each other , form a new Japanese Party, and bravely challenge the evil! Grow, NEETs! Grow like blazing fire! NEETs!” |
| Kazuki's transformation was too beast. Im sure we'll see a fitting end for it. My mind is ready to be blown once again. I would fanboy more, but I used it all up as soon as I read it by gasming over people's walls, so I'm kinda calm about it now. So..yeah. Amazing piece. |
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| It appears that Kazu is turning insane, my body is ready for the final volume, hope it comes out soon |
| Loved it. Other than volume 2, which while still good, was easily the worst, I absolutely loved the rest. Don't really like Maria as much as I did to begin with though. I do love, however, how Kazu ended up, amazing. I hope one more volume is enough to wrap this up well! Funny thing is I actually suspected the culprit as soon as Kazu mentioned it was somebody that could only think of Daiya, but then I naively threw out that thought and just believed who the book said it was. Doh! Come on final volume!! I need to finish this. :D |
| Amazing. While I was waiting for Kokone to deliver the final scene, it was pretty beautiful to read especially when Daiya actions perfectly synced with the movie. Was feeling pretty bad for Daiya in the epilogue too, I was surprised it it might end tragically but then Aya to the rescue. Dear Mikage, please take your time and write us an amazing volume for the final conclusion of this amazing series. It's an honor to have this an my fist LN series. |
| damn. first light novel ive read and is already one of my favourite stories. Everything in this volume was great and couldn't have been told differently. The ending was great too but i just hate that it was such a good cliff hanger. Does anyone have any idea when Mikage is going to release the last volume? |
Kyrie2G said: damn. first light novel ive read and is already one of my favourite stories. Everything in this volume was great and couldn't have been told differently. The ending was great too but i just hate that it was such a good cliff hanger. Does anyone have any idea when Mikage is going to release the last volume? He/She said that they'll have a new project announced in spring so my bet is sometime around there. Anyone is free to correct me though. EDIT: Haha nvm that news was last year. :'( |
egnaro15Nov 22, 2013 1:32 AM
| He's normally released his volumes in January and/or June/July of the years when he did release. So if he doesn't release it in January 2014, I'd say maybe middle of the year. This volume came out in January this year so I'm praying this coming January will be the final volume! I too am honoured to have this as my first proper LN read. I've read Kizumonogatari but that's it, this is the first one I've read a full story of. Amazing stuff, one of my favourite stories of all time. Let's hope the final volume is as amazing as the rest! |
| I'm so glad this was my first LN. Damn this volume was probably the most intense so far. That cliffhangar at the ending.. I can't believe there is only one volume left. I will truly miss this series and Maria. |
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| Fuck, that ending! Kazu has become insane. Maria erased her memory of him. Damn, I'm waiting for the 7th volume. My wild guess on how the 7th volume will end: |
silmarilDec 30, 2013 4:43 PM
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| I think Mikage-sensei should write volume 7 based on Maria's perspective (she has lost her memory, which will make it damn fun too read) |
| this is the best ln ever i hope mikage-sensei is going to release vol7 in this year! |
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| Reaaaaalllyyy loved kazuki's transformation up until volume 5, his monologue in the end of volume 5 was just incredible. In volume 6 however, he's more of an insane stalker than the knight he wants to be. Other than that, great volume. can't wait for volume 7 |
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| Why is Maria so dumb? |
| tuturu~!! (≧◡≦) |
| I'm not saying this was a bad volume, but it hurt me so much with those confrontations of Kazuki and Maria, and the story of Daiya with Kokone. Kazuki's change in volume 4 was looking great, leaving his dependence on Maria and becoming more... bold or kind of, but he didn't stop changing and then he became insanely obsessed. Maria was right about this after all. That part on Maria's appartment, when they were making dinner (i don't know right, but i think Maria was much more like "Maria" than "Aya" there, looked like Kazuki didn't notice this) and Kazuki left Maria almost without anwser. It just showed that his obsession was so great that he couldn't even enjoy dinning with Maria anymore. I don't know if this will happen (probably not), but i just wanted Kazuki to return a little to what he was and rescue Zeroth Maria. She was so cute back on the 3th and 4th volumes without the Flawed Bliss and depending on Kazuki. I don't think she can be happy with Kazuki the way he is now, distorted just like a wish from a box, just like 'O'. I was desperate when Maria lost her memories of Kazuki, but when i came to think about it, it may be a chance to Kazuki to reapproach her, but at the same time i don't know if if or how their bond can be restored the way it was. I think this won't have a happy ending, but again, we're all tired of having our expectations crushed by Eiji Mikage, so i want to have this crushed (Oh no, i'm expecintg it, so it won't happen! What should i do?!). |
| This Daiya guy doesn't sound too special to me for some reason until I read its entire story. Damn, glorious LN. I hope volume 7 comes soon with that cliffhanger. Nonetheless, it blew my mind. |
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| The author is such a sadist. The ending broke my heart but I still love it. With one volume remaining, I don't think a happy ending is possible, but somehow I still want Kazuki and Maria to get back together. |
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YumeNoMonogatari said: The author is such a sadist. The ending broke my heart but I still love it. With one volume remaining, I don't think a happy ending is possible, but somehow I still want Kazuki and Maria to get back together. I know that feel bro. I wonder what will happen if Kazuki crushes Maria's box. |
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| What a transformation by kazuki. Yep this LN is by far the best one. Mikage, you genius. Cant wait to see how he ends this. I want Maria and Kazuki to end up together but that seems really unlikely. Regardless, cant wait till Volume 7 is out. |
SandyBoiMay 7, 2014 10:19 PM
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| Welp, the development within the last 2 volumes were quite intense, reminded me of the last arc of a certain anime/LN concerning a red headed girl where everything got out of hand and the two main couples became enemies. Anyways, I really liked what Kazu did at the end of vol.4 to change himself, finally realizing that his goal is to protect Maria. I think he was just too clouded/obsessed with his goal that he was unable to consider any option. If he had told Maria his plan to use Rino's box to stop Daiya in the beginning, instead of trying to stop her from getting involved in any boxes (which would have been impossible since she is searching for boxes), they could have simply waited until the time is up by hiding from Daiya's servants and they would not have become enemies. I do not think Maria would have been stupid enough to enter the Cinema if she were together with Kazu and knew what was going on. Unfortunately, this resolution would have been boring, so the author decided to mess up all the main characters. I was saddened by how the main couple was torn apart, such a cheap and dirty trick...sigh and stating that Kazu has betrayed her when he was so desperate when hearing that she'd get raped. Geez Maria, cannot withstand her thoughts anymore. To tell the truth, I read the a few comments for vol.6 after completing 4 and I remember reading how there won't be a happy ending. I was trying to thinking up of how this could possibly happen and came up with the conclusion that Kazu had used Maria's flawed bliss to save her but she forgets about him, I guess I was right to some extent. At the end she realizes that there is a huge part of her memory missing, which might be a good sign, she would not be considering Kazu as an enemy now, unless "O" fills her with information against Kazu's favor (very likely). I think if "O" doesn't tell her anything then Kazu can pretty much get her back by telling her about the time they spent (while skipping out on how they became enemies) or just mention strawberry tarts, jk. Looking at how things are going though, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bittersweet ending with the knight sacrificing himself to rescue the princess, but one can always wish for a happy end. Oh great box, my only wish is to have Hakomari conclude on a happy note. |
ninja88880Aug 2, 2014 9:15 PM
| Oh god that cliffhanger ending! Kazu's transformation was scary. I dont mind it though. I mean maria was going to be raped. . . He had no choice but to kill iroha. Maria should've realise that kazu abandoned his everyday life for her. Still, he's obsession for maria now is over the top. He needs to get back some of his sanity. Although it's making me sad that maria lost her memories i still hope for a happy ending where kazu will get his everyday life with maria and other friends. I also hope that nana yanagi somehow comes back in reality from flawed bliss and releases kazu from his guilt. Just give me the 7th volume already! |
| Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
| Btw i secretly started shipping O x Kazu although it's impossible. . . . . . . . . . . . |
| Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
| ^ That would open the door for kazuki's harem but i'm just asking too much *sigh* i really dont care about romance that much, i just want a satisfactory ending |
| Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
| Finally a conclusion to Kazu and Daiya countering each other by flinging a bunch of bullshit. After being this far in, I still have no attachment to the characters at all and I can't stand the author's writing. The only thing that's interesting to me is how convoluted the story can go. And it's that reason I will probably read the finale. |
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| Shiiiiit man that cliffhanger i marathon reading this in one day soo good |
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| This volume uhhhhhhh^^. 3 major turn of event for me: 1. Oomine from sharp tongue arrogant prick to the like-able character with tragic past, sacrifice himself to change world ( becasue of kokone ) 2. "O" from superior being down to a being at kazuki's level and can't exist without "flawed bliss" 3. Kazuki's transformation, from a cute, innocent, sweet, gothlolis young man to an insane beast ( Maria's knight) willing to do anything to rescue his princess. I really hope Maria and Kazuki can turn back to their old-self. But from the hints we get so far i doubt they can't. "O" know that Kazuki is Maria's knight and his enemy from beginning but why she keep helping Kazuki? They're both exist for Maria sake but does that also mean they can't exist without one other? Is that the reason "O" always help Kazuki? Hope Volume 7 release soon ^_^! |
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Pariah695 said: Here's a thought. Since Maria is going to lose all of her memories, wouldn't that mean that she would revert back to the original Maria? The one from the 0 iteration. And if that's the case, Kazuki would be back to wanting to maintain his everyday life, unless his position as part of the flawed bliss has now become solidified and a part of him. If that's the case, then Kazuki has been successful in destroying Aya and saving Maria, but Maria might still be after O to make her wish. That makes me think, especially considering it's going to be the last volume, that Kazuki is going to try to destroy O by by destroying Maria's box. I think when Kazuki destroy flawed bliss all Maria's memories will come back to her ( Since flawed bliss is the cause for her memories lost ) |
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| Wouldn't he also lose his power if he destroys the Flawed Bliss? |
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BotatoPriest said: Wouldn't he also lose his power if he destroys the Flawed Bliss? I'd say yes. Not that he'd need it after that anyway. |
BeatzMe said: Considering that Maria got a box from somewhere and created O, he would still need it if someone else received a box in a similar manner and disrupted his everyday life or endangered Maria.BotatoPriest said: Wouldn't he also lose his power if he destroys the Flawed Bliss? I'd say yes. Not that he'd need it after that anyway. |
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BotatoPriest said: BeatzMe said: Considering that Maria got a box from somewhere and created O, he would still need it if someone else received a box in a similar manner and disrupted his everyday life or endangered Maria.I'd say yes. Not that he'd need it after that anyway. But not only does he no longer care for his everyday life (instead prioritizes Maria, at least iirc as it's been a while), but the chances for that to happen are probably exceedingly low. The problem was just that O was obsessed with him, once he dealt with him that should no longer be an issue. Just my two cents. This series is so hard to predict anyway :S. |
| Well at the beginning someone said that since Maria is back to being the 0th Maria then Kazuki would probably revert back to being that. Also I think I wasn't clear enough, O exists and distributes boxes because of Maria's wish/box. But then, where did she get her own box from in the first place? Basically there's a way to get boxes other than coming into contact with O. Sure the chances are probably very low, but yeah it is still there.. |
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BotatoPriest said: Well at the beginning someone said that since Maria is back to being the 0th Maria then Kazuki would probably revert back to being that. Also I think I wasn't clear enough, O exists and distributes boxes because of Maria's wish/box. But then, where did she get her own box from in the first place? Basically there's a way to get boxes other than coming into contact with O. Sure the chances are probably very low, but yeah it is still there.. Na, you were perfectly clear. I really don't see Maria's reversal effecting Kazuki in that way, tbh. They spend 6 volumes getting him to where he's now, so with one volume left I'd expect a final struggle against the boxes and for Maria's happiness, and not falling back into old habits. For now, I don't see a reason for him to want to protect his everyday life as he did before, and even less as an abrupt result of Maria's memory loss. (Just to clarify: You meant 'Kazuki caring for his EL again' with 'him possibly reverting back', right?) And with chances for another box to come from God-knows-where being so exceedingly low, there'd be no essential need for him to have his powers anymore, after saving Maria obviously. Or should he also build a fall-out shelter in case of a nuclear attack? So I'd think just saving Maria, whose safety and well-being became more important for him than his everyday life, will be satisfactory enough for him. No need to hunt boxes. But you have a good point with the origin of the boxes still being unknown. I've also wondered about this before and I'm sure a crucial question like that will also be touched on in the final volume in more detail. So maybe that will be dealt with anyway. Maybe that will somehow result in him needing his powers in the long run, tho, mmh. By the time the final volume's finally going to be released I'll probably have to reread the old volumes again, lol :S. |
JoekstarNov 2, 2014 6:15 PM
| Yeah it sort of makes me worried. Because for about 5 volumes we were told that the origin of the boxes was O. Then suddenly they go like "nah it's actually not.." It kinda makes me wonder how will Mikage-sensei handle this in 1 volume. That is, unless he plans to make a sequel LN or something who am I kidding... I will probably read the volumes again too but only because it is very possible that we don't get the final volume for a long time and I sort of need to fill "THE VOID." |
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