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Kyoulaid said: Reyxe said: Soldiers using GGO as a training method, you mean? I have a hard time coming to that conclusion with "logic," since it's not even their real bodies in the game, and since the mechanics are totally different from real life (like the accuracy of your shots relying on your state of mind, or heart or something like that).Not exactly from LN, but logic? Yeah that's pretty much true. Remember when Kirito got out of SAO (the first season) and wanted to spar with his sister (forgot her name). He got his ass handed to him despite being in SAO for 2 years (I think). Seed games (GGO, SAO, ALO) wont help you in irl. Don't understand how Kirito can ride a bike in GGO though. |
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Mikatarukito said: Kyoulaid said: Soldiers using GGO as a training method, you mean? I have a hard time coming to that conclusion with "logic," since it's not even their real bodies in the game, and since the mechanics are totally different from real life (like the accuracy of your shots relying on your state of mind, or heart or something like that). Yeah that's pretty much true. Remember when Kirito got out of SAO (the first season) and wanted to spar with his sister (forgot her name). He got his ass handed to him despite being in SAO for 2 years (I think). Seed games (GGO, SAO, ALO) wont help you in irl. Don't understand how Kirito can ride a bike in GGO though. He owns a bike irl... As for the spar with Suguha, well, her sister is like a pro in Kendo while Kirito was still in rehab [not sure if 'rehab' is a word for drug only treatment or whatever, but i think you get my point] i think Kirito would beat her using dual swords tho. |
Reyxe said: Mikatarukito said: Yeah that's pretty much true. Remember when Kirito got out of SAO (the first season) and wanted to spar with his sister (forgot her name). He got his ass handed to him despite being in SAO for 2 years (I think). Seed games (GGO, SAO, ALO) wont help you in irl. Don't understand how Kirito can ride a bike in GGO though. He owns a bike irl... As for the spar with Suguha, well, her sister is like a pro in Kendo while Kirito was still in rehab [not sure if 'rehab' is a word for drug only treatment or whatever, but i think you get my point] i think Kirito would beat her using dual swords tho. But how does IRL skills work in games, but game mechanics can't work in real life? If you get what I mean. Not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but it's stated in the SAO light novel that even professional horse riders can't ride mechanical horses due to them being so complex. But Kirito can ride a bike. I know this is nit picking but note I'm not bashing on the show. |
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| [quote] DerpHole said: Death Gun popped out of literally nowhere. Kirito didn't expect him, which put im in a big surprise. We saw what his first action was. It was not to see a real name of Death Gun, it was to shoot him, so he can't kill Pale Rider. After they missed, Death Gun retreated and they checked for his name, yet they couldn't find him, which is why they went into that town in the first place. I thought that was obvious...Dimitrije1606 said: Ok, you play MMORPG's yeah? Once Kirito knew that this guy was deathgun once he killed pale rider on the bridge, he should've easily been able to figure out the guys name by "hovering" over him for a few seconds until the name popped up, and from there he can track him down.There, once you have chosen your character name, you can't rename it later on just because, which leads me that if there was no one enlisted under the name of Death Gun, then his character name is different. I seriously doubt that this guy would be as stupid to give real name of his character to everyone so they can track him whenever they wanted. Next, we have BoB tournament, to which your point refers to. Ok, we had him shot at a guy who after that immediately disconnected, after which his public announcement was given. First, the company which made this game is in America, not Japan. Their first interest would be of course to protect themselves. So, there is no way that they would give character account e-mails or even IP addresses, if things work on that concept in SAO world, because they are private, and company doesn't want to lose credibility. So, to get that information Japan PD would have to get a warrant, which would have to go through American embassy, to be checked by company's advocate and only then would they get a name of a person who controls that character. So, this game is a global hit basically yeah? You're saying here that the Jap PD is the only force all over the world who would have suspicions? Why couldn't the Americans get their own warrants? I seriously believe that in 9 PM they could get all that done, considering that police is practically is chasing a ghost. So, there is no way for them to check out if that person is still alive or not. Now, why don't they track Death Gun instead? Well, lets say that they knew his character's name.. So, again, they would have to check his IP address by the same method as they would have to do it for Pale Rider, which again is impossible. Therefore, your previous statement is invalid. Wrong actually. If they went through the proper channels and got a warrant for Pale Riders location and established a time of death that lined up with his disconnection time, that would lend credibility to their suspicions about Death Gun. They could use that increase in credibility to get a warrant on death gun himself. Two birds with one stone. That wouldn't be very exciting though would it? Kirito has to be the hero, and all the adults have to be retards.Yeah, if they established that time of disconnection is the same as the time of his death, they could get a warrant for investigation of Death Gun, but you are putting a carriage before the horse. There is no valid reason for them to get a warrant for Pale Rider's location in the first place. He just disconnected, that is all. EDIT: Now, here is one more reason why they can't just arrest him. This is all conjecture. Until it's explained in a satisfactory way through the actual anime, It means nothing and I will consider it an oversight on their part. Nothing I have seen so far indicates that the developers of the virtual reality console are actively suppressing information on these incidents.Avatar is controlled by mind via AmySphere, right? That is a second generation of NerveGear. After NerveGear incident, not only was company which produced it in danger, but that technology as a whole. Now, lets say you have another incident with same consequences that Nerve Gear had. What do you think would happen to that revolutionary technology? Screw company, it would be doomed from returning money to all people who bought it. But what about technology itself? After second incident, people would just be to scared of it. So, they would gang up on anyone who tries to produce it, and in reverse, no company would produce it considering how no one would buy it. It might have military application, but technology itself would be pretty much damaged for several decades. So, that alone would be enough for a government to keep pressure on police to suppress all information about that incident. In return, they just can't make a raid on a guy in the middle of live broadcasting tournament. True, that last statement was a long shot, but it is still a possibility. For now, lets say it is an oversight. Still, I think my points above have more then enough weight to support my statement. |
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Mikatarukito said: Reyxe said: He owns a bike irl... As for the spar with Suguha, well, her sister is like a pro in Kendo while Kirito was still in rehab [not sure if 'rehab' is a word for drug only treatment or whatever, but i think you get my point] i think Kirito would beat her using dual swords tho. But how does IRL skills work in games, but game mechanics can't work in real life? If you get what I mean. Not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but it's stated in the SAO light novel that even professional horse riders can't ride mechanical horses due to them being so complex. But Kirito can ride a bike. I know this is nit picking but note I'm not bashing on the show. Hmmm... maybe cause driving mechanism is better replicated ingame than the shooting one? (recoil and so on) just a guess tho, as for the soldier thing, i guess it's a way to hone your reflexes in battlefield-like situations? like, training camps are good and so on but you won't have that much battle experience and getting some from a game its still better than going not knowing anything about it, not talking about the guns, maybe the weight and sound are kinda alike tho and maybe some of the heart rate its true too [not at that extent tho] |
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Byon-kun said: You can have much better scenarios in VR but you still need to train your body in real life to have the same results. I guess they are already training their bodys heavily since they are soldiers, aren't they? it would be as a battle simulator or something. |
Reyxe said: Yeah, I were just saying that since people were pointing out it didn't work too well for KiritoByon-kun said: You can have much better scenarios in VR but you still need to train your body in real life to have the same results. I guess they are already training their bodys heavily since they are soldiers, aren't they? it would be as a battle simulator or something. |
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Kyoulaid said: Reyxe said: Soldiers using GGO as a training method, you mean? I have a hard time coming to that conclusion with "logic," since it's not even their real bodies in the game, and since the mechanics are totally different from real life (like the accuracy of your shots relying on your state of mind, or heart or something like that). Not exactly from LN, but logic? IRL that part of state of mind and heart rate actually affects how you shoot.... That´s why they invented 3round burst weapons, a soldier when scared would empty his or her gun and get defenseless.. about training there.... While not everything is like IRL guns, it still has Circular Error, recoil and weight for the guns Doubt it´d be that that different from what some military forces do buying simmulators to Bohemia Interactive Or maybe soldiers are there for PTSD treatment Or for the lulz |
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| either sterben is deathgun (sterben = die in german) or death gun is some sort of hacked entity wich can pop up everywhere he wants. allthough i like my first hypothesis and is surely plausible, the second one would fit better (seeing the stuff Nobuyuki Sugou/Oberon pulled off in ALO) allthough i suspect DG to be Kyouji... i still think it's to easy :D (ok maybe the guy Shino killed was his dad or something... wich would still be a lame plottwist hahaha) and like the first season, it's not the best show out there... but it's a nice watch (and all the haters/whiners should just piss off and watch something they don't hate! damn idiots) |
VanguardWolf said: kickthebucket said: either sterben is deathgun (sterben = die in german) or death gun is some sort of hacked entity wich can pop up everywhere he wants. allthough i like my first hypothesis and is surely plausible, the second one would fit better (seeing the stuff Nobuyuki Sugou/Oberon pulled off in ALO) allthough i suspect DG to be Kyouji... i still think it's to easy :D (ok maybe the guy Shino killed was his dad or something... wich would still be a lame plottwist hahaha) and like the first season, it's not the best show out there... but it's a nice watch (and all the haters/whiners should just piss off and watch something they don't hate! damn idiots) Of course he is Sterben and not cheating in terms of invisibility. Although I like SAO II the concept of the VRMMOs and the World Seed is pretty fucked up. Balance issues of godly levels ... worse than any Pay-To-Win Game we have experienced in our world. (I am not saying it's P2W but that's the balance issues are more catastrophical than anything we have seen in our world, which is P2W) Actually, GGO is pay to play and I don't see any balance issues, other than the invisibility which is surely going to be explained soon... |
| Obviously, death gun needs to be op to have chance against Kirito |
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| is it just me or was this episode really lame? lmao cheesy death gun camera angles |
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DerpHole said: Ok, you play MMORPG's yeah? Once Kirito knew that this guy was deathgun once he killed pale rider on the bridge, he should've easily been able to figure out the guys name by "hovering" over him for a few seconds until the name popped up, and from there he can track him down. Eh? What's he going to "hover" over his head? Is he going to walk over to DG and hold his hand over the guy's head? Or stare at him really hard? Unless I remember incorrectly, the only icons that appear over other people in this game are their health indicators when you are in the middle of hurting them. Mikatarukito said: Yeah that's pretty much true. Remember when Kirito got out of SAO (the first season) and wanted to spar with his sister (forgot her name). He got his ass handed to him despite being in SAO for 2 years (I think). Seed games (GGO, SAO, ALO) wont help you in irl. Don't understand how Kirito can ride a bike in GGO though. That bit about him getting beaten by his sister is backwards. He was doing well BECAUSE of his time in the game, and he lost due to being stuck in a VRMMO for too long. His muscles weren't completely built back up yet at the point, still having been weakened by all that time in a hospital bed. |
| So much facepalm this season. I think it's time to call it quits. |
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Raro said: Just wait til you see him fight Kirito...there is a reason for why he isn't going after Kirito first....Byon-kun said: Obviously, death gun needs to be op to have chance against Kirito But invisibility + super long range stun + insane movement speed (to get to his target) + one shot kill (irl too) seems a bit much, no? |
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| Desu gan is gonna end up in kirito's harem sooner or later anyways so don't worry about him |
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InstaKiller said: Plot twist: Kirito dies and everyone else joins desu gan's haremDesu gan is gonna end up in kirito's harem sooner or later anyways so don't worry about him |
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| [quote] JerichoDeath said: DerpHole said: Ok, you play MMORPG's yeah? Once Kirito knew that this guy was deathgun once he killed pale rider on the bridge, he should've easily been able to figure out the guys name by "hovering" over him for a few seconds until the name popped up, and from there he can track him down. Eh? What's he going to "hover" over his head? Is he going to walk over to DG and hold his hand over the guy's head? Or stare at him really hard? Unless I remember incorrectly, the only icons that appear over other people in this game are their health indicators when you are in the middle of hurting them. Well, I was not sure about that part as well, but I though he meant that Kirito should stare at him from his binoculars, so I added my reasoning. Valid point though, how can he see his name other than combat engagement.... |
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VanguardWolf said: Actually I am wondering why I did even bother to clarify my sentence if nobody cares anyway. And of course there are balance issues ... Kirito himself is the perfect example. Transfering Characters is going to cause major issues for the games if it continues being possible to carry over stats and even taking some skills with you ... that is insane. It's actually been stated already, but you just transfer stuff that corresponds to its equivalent in the next game. In other words, I don't really know what you mean by "skills" transferring. His character in GGO doesn't have "Sword Skills"; He's just good with a sword and knows how to move in order to reproduce them since he used them so often in GGO. Balance-wise, I don't really see too much of an issue here except that it's somewhat punishing to new players that aren't Harem Masters, and you need LOTS of in-game money to get anywhere. Especially since high "stat" characters can be sniped from across the map, or whatever, and the Sniper-Rifle itself is balanced in that it's the hardest gun in the game to use effectively. |
Raro said: Byon-kun said: Obviously, death gun needs to be op to have chance against Kirito But invisibility + super long range stun + insane movement speed (to get to his target) + one shot kill (irl too) seems a bit much, no? ... Why would you even need a stun when you can just one shot him with a sniper? so the stun is op cause it leave people on the floor for a minute or something, wouldn't it be easier to just kill him? the stun is stupid, its just so DG can do his thing. Some people complain about retarded shit and doesn't even think logically. Insane movement speed, maybe DG is an AGI-character just like Pale Ryder? which i haven't seen anyone complaining about him. Invisibility... can you guys watch the show and wait for the explanation already? Oh god, some people don't even think before posting. VanguardWolf said: Reyxe said: Actually, GGO is pay to play and I don't see any balance issues, other than the invisibility which is surely going to be explained soon... Actually I am wondering why I did even bother to clarify my sentence if nobody cares anyway. And of course there are balance issues ... Kirito himself is the perfect example. Transfering Characters is going to cause major issues for the games if it continues being possible to carry over stats and even taking some skills with you ... that is insane. Yea, transfering the characters seems smart, totally smart. Specially if you do a STR build in ALO and then transfer just to be able to carry any weapon but moving slow as a turtle... it certainly depends on the character and it's way better to do one from scratch, you choose the stats that are USEFUL in GGO instead of what WERE useful in ALO. He doesn't take the skills... even if it's using The Seed, GGO doesn't allow it, he just replicates them after using it for 2+ years. |
ReyxeSep 4, 2014 6:00 AM
| Look the first guy didn't even see anyone shooting him so he died there while giving a speech. The second guy didn't know Death Gun will kill him in reality ether. BUT Shinon knows since Kirito told her. So why doesn't she just log off? GGO isn't SAO were you can't log off. Better lose a game match than your life. |
Monad said: Look the first guy didn't even see anyone shooting him so he died there while giving a speech. The second guy didn't know Death Gun will kill him in reality ether. BUT Shinon knows since Kirito told her. So why doesn't she just log off? GGO isn't SAO were you can't log off. Better lose a game match than your life. I think the main deal is that she's still skeptical about the whole "Die in game, Die for real" thing. Remember, after SAO, they had to revamp the system to make sure that incidents like that would never happen again. The way that Death Gun is killing off his targets is virtually impossible in their world, which is why it's so mysterious. I do sort of get how they managed to pull it off though. Considering that all the top players are playing for money, and that episode stated that you can't win money for real unless you input all your personal details (ie. real home address, name, etc). I'm guessing that Death Gun is an amazing hacker who can access that information, and somehow make it so he sets up his victims to die in real life (hey, a needle with an air bubble might not be detected, or maybe those victims have some sort of allergies or something), at the same time as when he shoots them in game. For that reason, Kirito is safe because he didn't actually put in his details when he signed up for BoB. Sinon however, may not be, since it seems like she does play for real money. Essentially those top player's greed is what is leading to their downfall. |
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| Welp, R.I.P. in pieces Sinon, your rearguard shall be missed. |
| Oh boy, it looks like things are about to get out of hand from there. I'm wondering what Kirito will do now in this situation given what is going down at the end. |
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Vorgier said: Bye.So much facepalm this season. I think it's time to call it quits. |
| "Did you really think I wouldn’t cheat just because I was already winning?" - Dread Emperor Terribilis II "I chose glory and success. The box did not contain what was written on the lid." - Sand dan Glokta |
| A second cliffhanger in a row and great again The tournamant doesn't seem to have game moderators overseeing with death gun showing up and Kirito and Sinon teaming up in a free for all map ALO team acting as spectators to the match was very interesting and had quite realism to todays online games |
| Watching episode 9 in a virtual reality movie theater using the oculus rift This is like an entirely different level of meta Mod Edit: Please spoiler tag huge pics |
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| "Did you really think I wouldn’t cheat just because I was already winning?" - Dread Emperor Terribilis II "I chose glory and success. The box did not contain what was written on the lid." - Sand dan Glokta |
| I think 'Death Gun' is going to miss his bullet and that kirito will finish him off, let all hope they survive *finger crossed* |
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| Kirito shoots Sinon to save her from Death Gun. that is my prediction. |
Theodoricos said: "Strong" female protagonist as Kirito's sidekick who would inevitably fall for him in just a few episodes? Check. ... wut, Sinon doesn't fall for him, im a LN reader so you won't know more than me. Theodoricos said: "Strong" female protagonist eventually gets kidnapped and needs her knight in shining armor to save her? Check. Who was kidnapped? cause I obviously missed something. At chapter 9, there's not kidnapping, so you obviously haven't watched the anime at all. Theodoricos said: Kirito is already better at the game in two episodes than veterans who've played it for much, much longer than him? Check. Wut. In SAO he was a Beta Tester, so HE was the veteran. And GGO uses The Seed, which is SAO system, so Kirito is the veteran right there after playing for two years straight, even if he is new to GUNS, he is pro with sword. Theodoricos said: The antagonist is a creepy, perverted bastard with a thing for the female protagonist? Check. Wut? Death Gun doesn't have anything with Sinon, why would he kill zexceed and so on? rewatch please. Theodoricos said: There's a friendzoned dude who has zero chance with the girl because he's not godly, perfect Kirito? Check. Wut, again. Sugou wasn't friendzoned, Asuna hated him. Also, the guy is not friendzoned, he's just too pushy due to jealousy. Theodoricos said: Kirito's harem gets even more members? Check. Nope, already in 1st point. So your arguments are pure bullshit, please update and post some more to keep telling you how wrong you are, it's really funny. Also, if you didn't like SAO1, why are you watching SAO2? and whats worse, why are you coming to complain about an anime you didn't even pay attention to with those shitty arguments or critics? omg pls. |
Theodoricos said: I honestly didn't think SAO could get any worse than it already was, lmfao. Clearly, I was wrong! Not only is this second season full to the gills with the same piss-poor self-indulgent writing, but it's basically the same shit all over again too. For the third time, no less. It's just the background that's different. "Strong" female protagonist as Kirito's sidekick who would inevitably fall for him in just a few episodes? Check. "Strong" female protagonist eventually gets kidnapped and needs her knight in shining armor to save her? Check. Kirito is already better at the game in two episodes than veterans who've played it for much, much longer than him? Check. The antagonist is a creepy, perverted bastard with a thing for the female protagonist? Check. There's a friendzoned dude who has zero chance with the girl because he's not godly, perfect Kirito? Check. Kirito's harem gets even more members? Check. Man. Watching Sword Art Online is just perfect for aspiring writers wanting to learn how not to write a story. It's also one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I've ever seen. Can't wait for the next episode. Ah yes, that aspect of the show always pisses me off XD I found the episode to be quite boring, I skipped through most of it and just watched the highlights. I hope the show improves. |
Orkle said: HOLY MOLLY, That's so epic O.o |
| It amazes me how the "flaws" of SAO II all start and stop at "omg girl fell in love with Kirito this is harem shit." Yeah, because making a girl fall in love with the main character (which is totally reasonable in most cases) in a romance show makes an otherwise fine anime a piece of shit. |
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Botato said: It amazes me how the "flaws" of SAO II all start and stop at "omg girl fell in love with Kirito this is harem shit." Yeah, because making a girl fall in love with the main character (which is totally reasonable in most cases) in a romance show makes an otherwise fine anime a piece of shit. ^ Or how Kirito is "SO OPPP HURR DUURRR" when he couldn't beat Kayaba [technically, he lost first when Asuna sacrificed], he couldn't beat Sugou either [until he uses Heathcliff acc], he's teaming with Sinon to beat Death Gun and so on... lol, even after spending 2 years playing and leveling 10 - 16 hours a day, he is not invincible, yet he has the most experience in games but they're so busy giving stupid complains [as the guy some post ago] |
| This arc is supposed to be reaching it's climax and yet I'm just finding myself so not really invested in the storyline at all. Thinking of hoping off this train once the new season starts as there's just nothing else keeping me here other than it kind of looks better than most shows this season. |
| Ooooh man what a cliff hanger. Next episode tomorrow! Man, shit is going DOWN. |
| Thats some weak ass gunshot. The little things... |
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| Touching on the argument as to whether Kirito should have been able to use check Death Gun's IGN when he showed up, isn't that somewhat secondary to whether spectators would be able to see his IGN? I mean, if it's the sort of thing that you're able to place bets on, seems odd that they wouldn't be able to see that sort of information. Takuan_Soho said: Theodoricos said: Man. Watching Sword Art Online is just perfect for aspiring writers wanting to learn how not to write a story. A further example of how hatred makes people stupid. SAO has sold over 2 million volumes, any "aspiring writer" would be well advised to pay attention to how this story was written to learn why. Then again that is why there is so much hatred out there towards this work. The writer initially was just another "aspiring writer", but he published his works online and got millions of people to read them, the "aspiring writers" here can only get the fellow "aspiring writers" to read their drivel. Must hurt. And while the point of writing isn't necessarily sales, my guess would be none of the haters are going to ever be appreciated for their "art" as well. Nothing more pathetic then a whipped cur whining about success. Oh, and yes, he does write better than you. Twilight is insanely popular and has made it's author shit loads of money while widely being accepted as low grade pandering crap. Readership and profit aren't the best metrics to gauge the quality of writing. Not drawing parallels to SAO, but it's still a poor argument to use. |
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