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Jul 1, 2014 7:49 AM
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Kinda....i wanted horimiya to be a innocent Manga....why did they do it? They don't look like the type that are gonna do it before engage or something....souta too....how did he know what was going on....i'm disappointed...

the manga is suddenly add a mature scene,im disappointed too...this manga is like 'Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun' and then surprisingly the story jump into 'Kimi no Iru Machi' if you get what i mean!

HAHA you are right
Jul 1, 2014 7:57 AM

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There seems to be a lot of kids reading this manga.
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Jul 1, 2014 1:04 PM

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Actually I thought it was well written, no where near as smutty as most shoujo, it was handled much better than many manga.
Jul 1, 2014 7:39 PM

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inzaratha said:
Actually I thought it was well written, no where near as smutty as most shoujo, it was handled much better than many manga.

That's true. Nothing explicit was said or shown. Everything is implied (even if it's not very subtle).
Jul 1, 2014 8:41 PM

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WOW they actually did it, this is good, I'm happy for them.
This was totally unexpected though, at most I thought they would kiss this chapter but the mangaka really surprised me.
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Hori reminiscing about the way Miyamura eats his ice cream. Closet pervert? xD
They actually did it wow. That was fast. BUT HOW DOES THE LITTLE BROTHER KNOW?
Cute chapter.
Jul 2, 2014 8:20 PM

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107 posts KAPSASPLASÇAL´PAS´PSD everybody in shock ♥♥♥♥♥

Jul 2, 2014 11:26 PM
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THIS WAS BLOODY MESSED UP

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

In my opinion. Anyway, now that I have your attention, please stay with me until the end. I'll try to put my feelings across clearly.

Why I fell in love with this manga:
1. It hinted to be a fairy tale romance between two level-headed 17 -year-olds who were slightly wiser than the typical teenager today. Horimiya, to me, seemed to embody the ideal.
2. The other reasons are all irrelevant.

What this chapter did:
It crushed my hopes of it being pure, of the fairy tale I believed in. They had sex without properly considering why they wanted to do it or asking themselves whether it would be beneficial for their relationship. And I don't even want to talk about Souta... -.-

Why I am now extremely annoyed:
Sex is something that was programmed into us biologically. It is a carnal desire that came straight out of our genes. To us humans, any meaning that we have is imbued by us into the action. All actions do not hold any value in absolute terms. In relative terms, we give them value and treat them accordingly. It is the same for sex: it can be love-making, or it can be physical pleasure.

The way it panned out makes me feel that they allowed themselves to be led on by their primal, animalistic instincts and not by their humanity. I felt that they did it more so for pleasure than because they deemed it the right step to take to further their relationship.

They did it because they just felt like it.

That is what irks me.

Of course, it's perfectly normal for star-crossed lovers to want to have more intimacy and connect on a deeper level physically. It's absolutely fine. But they should at least THINK about why this is the case, instead of being led on by whatever their hormones tell them to.

I wanted Horimiya to be a breath of fresh air from all the teenage sex that goes on in teenage romance because the teenagers don't know any better. I wanted them to do it WHILE CONSCIOUS OF EXACTLY WHAT MEANING IT HAD.

I WANTED IT TO BE LOVE-MAKING, NOT JUST SEX.

Now eventually their relationship might progress to the highest stage just like your traditional, classic fairy tale- both husband and wife understand why they do things together, the meaning of each other's company, and make love instead of have sex.

The ultimate end point might hit the ideal. I'd like that.

But the author, in my eyes, just threw away a chance to make the process ideal too. And it's a pity because no other manga I've read has come this close to reaching ideal romance.

I'll still read the manga. It's brilliant. Yet it could have been so, SO MUCH MORE.

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde

P.S. I just remembered Maid-sama! On second thought Maid-sama! was the exact kind of ideal I wanted, and till today it's still my all-time number one for romance. Sure, it wasn't as clever as Horimiya, but it was a fairy tale through and through.
Jul 3, 2014 2:54 AM
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Saccharine said:
about your spoiler...

i haven't read kare kano!! :> is it any good?




Kare Kano is freaking long but it was like one of the more bittersweet, heartwarming romance I read. No stupid shoujo cliches like the clingy ex girlfriend or third party or stupid misunderstandings, but there are some darker undertones. But by the end you'll feel so relieved and happy for the main couple <3

Pknoctis said:
But I can understand why some people (ya prudes) are upset, cos this manga started out really slow in their relationship, with 20+ chapters of denial over their inevitable attraction to each other. And then it becomes "aww they're dating how cute, when are they gonna kiss? oh look they're cuddling - WAIT WHAT THEY'RE NAKED AND LEAVING HICKIES."


Aww, when you put it this way I can really see where everyone upset is coming from! ^^; There should definitely be a couple more intimate moments placed somewhere between those chapters, before having them go on full homerun mode.

But since this is an adaptation, I don't think there was much the mangaka could do to twist it since he had to pretty much abide by the original plot?

GOLDEXPERIENCE said:
P.S. I just remembered Maid-sama! On second thought Maid-sama! was the exact kind of ideal I wanted, and till today it's still my all-time number one for romance. Sure, it wasn't as clever as Horimiya, but it was a fairy tale through and through.


Maid-sama! was really sweet but I thought it was kind of too far off from reality (Usui being perfect and etc). Anyways you should read Akagami no Shirayukihime if those are your ideals. By far the best strictly shoujo manga I've ever read, though it's set in a fantasy setting.
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Jul 3, 2014 6:24 AM
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Hey xxxSakura, thanks for the recommendation!

So far it looks pretty good. I have this feeling that I'll enjoy it a lot :)

With regards to Maid-sama! straying too far away from reality, I think that that is exactly what made it so good. Reality is screwed up enough as it is... let the world of fiction stay beautiful!!!
Jul 3, 2014 10:08 AM

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Unexpected developments in the latest chapter. I look forward to more of developments of their relationship. The conversation with Sota was quite disturbing considering he knows what they did together or if he watched them secretly.
Jul 7, 2014 10:59 AM

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was not expecting that, but some of the comments in here are very disturbing
people have sex, that's life
especially people in a relationship


it's a normal story.. not one of these overly dramatic shitty 0815 romance manga.. i really like Horimiya
and this just made it more "real"

we have enough of these 100% pure/ignorant/airhead stories/characters in anime/manga.. this was good! unexpected though


and why are people complaining about their age? that's just weird
you wan't them to wait until they're married or what?
how old are they exactly? 17?

sex is such a natural thing and people really need to stop this "every anime/manga has to be 100% pure and innocent"-bullshit

nowadays people have sex at the age of 12+ ... i really don't get why some of you are shocked that two 17 year olds are having sex
that's just stupid
Jul 7, 2014 10:49 PM

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I love the fact that they didn't make a big deal and just did it because they felt like it. It's feel a lot more natural because that's how usually is.

Romeo said:

sex is such a natural thing and people really need to stop this "every anime/manga has to be 100% pure and innocent"-bullshit

This. There's some very over the top comments here.
Jul 8, 2014 2:50 PM

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Sex is part of the natural progression of a relationship so I don't see why everybody is making such a big deal of it destroying the "innocence" of the manga especially when most of it is implied and nothing is explicitly shown.

It definitely was surprising but it's not like it wasn't consensual or anything so I don't see why people seem to think suddenly the manga is any worse just because it decided to be realistic. A 17 year old guy and girl in a relationship alone in a bedroom, wtf did you think was going to happen? Did you really think that their relationship would be so pure that they marry and spend their entire lives watching horror flicks together never having sex once?
Jul 8, 2014 4:58 PM
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athetosis said:
Sex is part of the natural progression of a relationship so I don't see why everybody is making such a big deal of it destroying the "innocence" of the manga especially when most of it is implied and nothing is explicitly shown.

It definitely was surprising but it's not like it wasn't consensual or anything so I don't see why people seem to think suddenly the manga is any worse just because it decided to be realistic. A 17 year old guy and girl in a relationship alone in a bedroom, wtf did you think was going to happen? Did you really think that their relationship would be so pure that they marry and spend their entire lives watching horror flicks together never having sex once?


thta's precisely why this chapter was one of my favorites, because it deviated from the typical idealized shoujo manga, where people would wait until marriage, or plan their first time in some cliched manner with rose petals or candles or something. most sex isn't planned, it's in the spur in the moment which accurately depicts how couples interact with each other when they are alone.

like i see why people say what they say about this chapter, but the fact that you didn't it destroyed the innocence? the "innocence" would have been destroyed if the mangaka displayed the sex in an explicit manner, which they didn't do. everything was implied and flowed naturally. it was a pretty good way of tackling the idea of sex imo.
Jul 12, 2014 12:21 AM

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Well that escalated quickly, I mean have they even kiss properly yet? Besides that one time with the candy scene.

I seriously don't know what to feel in this chapter, it was great and cute and all but couldn't they have build it up a bit, and considering the sudden rapid advancement is this manga going to end? I seriously hope not!! Ahhh!!
Jul 12, 2014 5:40 PM
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I'm not sure that they did it, because it's too unclear. When I was in middle school, I often stayed with my girlfriend in my house and we had nothing (:D), only kisses, hugs and petting.

Gorgeous manga, want new chapter as soon as possible)
Jul 13, 2014 9:19 PM

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O_o ..........! Too quick... I don't know how to think of this manga anymore.
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Jul 15, 2014 4:49 AM
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SO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THIS KIND OF SEX IS ACCEPTABLE?

Yeah, capital letters are pretty effective at capturing attention.

I'll address the arguments in favour of the sex on page 6.

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Romeo said:
was not expecting that, but some of the comments in here are very disturbing
people have sex, that's life
especially people in a relationship


it's a normal story.. not one of these overly dramatic shitty 0815 romance manga.. i really like Horimiya
and this just made it more "real"

we have enough of these 100% pure/ignorant/airhead stories/characters in anime/manga.. this was good! unexpected though


and why are people complaining about their age? that's just weird
you wan't them to wait until they're married or what?
how old are they exactly? 17?

sex is such a natural thing and people really need to stop this "every anime/manga has to be 100% pure and innocent"-bullshit

nowadays people have sex at the age of 12+ ... i really don't get why some of you are shocked that two 17 year olds are having sex
that's just stupid


Some people do not like the norm because the norm today is pretty screwed up. I, for one, found Horimiya to be a breath of fresh air... until I read this chapter, of course.

Not every anime/manga has to be "pure/innocent", but you are taking down a really obvious straw man. Have you even been following the kind of material that is released these days? The majority of the content produced is everything EXCEPT "pure/innocent". Horimiya went against the flow until chapter 37.

You call people stupid for overreacting to 17-year-olds having sex, but once again you are deconstructing another straw man. Sex at the age of 12 is clearly outrageous. The blurred lines exist around the ages of 16-18. Regardless of your personal views, most of the developed world has been debating over this issue for decades.

Realism is no justification for whether or not something is right. War was real, slavery was real, and so were many more absurdities throughout history. Reality today can always be improved, and I thought that Horimiya was leading us in the right direction, only for it to rotate 180 degrees and whack me in the face.

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athetosis said:
Sex is part of the natural progression of a relationship so I don't see why everybody is making such a big deal of it destroying the "innocence" of the manga especially when most of it is implied and nothing is explicitly shown.

It definitely was surprising but it's not like it wasn't consensual or anything so I don't see why people seem to think suddenly the manga is any worse just because it decided to be realistic. A 17 year old guy and girl in a relationship alone in a bedroom, wtf did you think was going to happen? Did you really think that their relationship would be so pure that they marry and spend their entire lives watching horror flicks together never having sex once?


First of all, our frustration did not arise purely from the manga losing its "innocence". I personally thought it was an attempt to reach the ideal fairy tale romance, and it is because my hope was crushed that I feel the urge to relieve my annoyance here on the forums.

I do not think it made the manga any worse, but it just threw away a whole lot of potential in my eyes. The issue is not that it became worse- rather, it is that Horimiya gave up the chance to be so, so much better.

You seem to assert that sex is okay as long as it is consensual. Consent is definitely not the only factor involved: the reason behind sex (love versus physical pleasure), whether the parties involved were conscious, and AGE, are but three others you have to consider as well. Well, at least I would. And so would policymakers all over the world.

We all understand that reality today favours teenage sex in some places and that it is even socially acceptable for it to happen in this manner for some countries. But for crying out loud, this is a perspective that millions of people around the world have challenged for years. Not just for sentimental reasons too- if you do a quick search on Google you can find out scientists' and sociologists' views on the matter.

It is not necessarily right because it is trending today.

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athetosis said:
Sex is part of the natural progression of a relationship so I don't see why everybody is making such a big deal of it destroying the "innocence" of the manga especially when most of it is implied and nothing is explicitly shown.

It definitely was surprising but it's not like it wasn't consensual or anything so I don't see why people seem to think suddenly the manga is any worse just because it decided to be realistic. A 17 year old guy and girl in a relationship alone in a bedroom, wtf did you think was going to happen? Did you really think that their relationship would be so pure that they marry and spend their entire lives watching horror flicks together never having sex once?


thta's precisely why this chapter was one of my favorites, because it deviated from the typical idealized shoujo manga, where people would wait until marriage, or plan their first time in some cliched manner with rose petals or candles or something. most sex isn't planned, it's in the spur in the moment which accurately depicts how couples interact with each other when they are alone.

like i see why people say what they say about this chapter, but the fact that you didn't it destroyed the innocence? the "innocence" would have been destroyed if the mangaka displayed the sex in an explicit manner, which they didn't do. everything was implied and flowed naturally. it was a pretty good way of tackling the idea of sex imo.


Thank you for not shooting down our opinions and for making it clear that you are just sharing your view.

I believe that there are many ways to deviate from the stereotypical, but ideals can still be kept even as you imbue your work with fresh creativity. You may like to have things portrayed realistically, but a lot of us like it when the author tries to give his or her impression of what should be instead of what is and actually gets it right.

Once again, it is not just about the innocence. If you reduce everyone's disagreement to innocence alone, you will not be able to grasp the full picture. It was more than just innocence that the manga gave up. Sex did not have to be put in this early, in my opinion.

Since it was a favourite for many of us, it was saddening to see it throw so much into the gutter.


Do I think that Horimiya is good? Yes. Do I think it will continue to outshine the rest of its kind? Yes.

But it could have been the best.

“Some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again.”
― C.S. Lewis
Jul 15, 2014 8:34 PM

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I actually like this manga more now, we finally see something that adds validation to their relationship.

5/5
Jul 18, 2014 12:18 AM

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Interesting turn of events.
This is going to change a lot things now.
All signs just started to fall in to place after that last chapter.
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GOLDEXPERIENCE said:
I believe that there are many ways to deviate from the stereotypical, but ideals can still be kept even as you imbue your work with fresh creativity. You may like to have things portrayed realistically, but a lot of us like it when the author tries to give his or her impression of what should be instead of what is and actually gets it right.

i totally get what you mean! that's precisely why i love to read shoujo manga. some shoujo mangaka have the ability to weave realism and idealism together, resulting in an innovative story that's not laden with too many cliched tropes. but even so, trying to portray what should be, and not is can be trite. i'm relieved horimiya didn't completely go down this path,though i'm fine either way. i still adore the fact shoujo mangaka try to emphasis the ideal relationship because honestly, in this world, too much realism can change an individual's views, and not always for the better. realism is very draining on the mind. but even so, i can't help but occasionally find idealism something hard to relate to, which can lead to my occasional distaste for idealism. i'm sorry if i seemed rude with my opinions, idealism/realism is kinda personal for me. i like idealism, but too much makes me seek realism, and vice versa if it further clarifies? (sorry idk)

GOLDEXPERIENCE said:
Once again, it is not just about the innocence. If you reduce everyone's disagreement to innocence alone, you will not be able to grasp the full picture. It was more than just innocence that the manga gave up. Sex did not have to be put in this early, in my opinion.

Since it was a favourite for many of us, it was saddening to see it throw so much into the gutter.

no, i do understand that people's dislike of this chapter isn't solely based on "the loss of innocence". now referring to your argument #2, it's important to note that consent solely isn't the most important factor, but age. one tends to mature as they age, resulting in a better planned future.

i'm going to throw in an excerpt from one of your previous posts, because i've always wanted to address it, but forgot.

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The way it panned out makes me feel that they allowed themselves to be led on by their primal, animalistic instincts and not by their humanity. I felt that they did it more so for pleasure than because they deemed it the right step to take to further their relationship.

They did it because they just felt like it.

That is what irks me.


i understand your disappointment with the flow of events; for sex was introduced very abruptly in the series. personally, i believe a lot of intimate things happened between them, and daisuke hagiwara just decided not to include it in his or hers adaption. maybe he or she is trying to reach a certain amount of chapters before ending serialization? if that is the case, it could leave readers very confused as to how invested they are in their relationship, which can lead to a very dissatisfying read. not everything can be left to the imagination.

(this is also from one of your previous posts)
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I WANTED IT TO BE LOVE-MAKING, NOT JUST SEX.

Now eventually their relationship might progress to the highest stage just like your traditional, classic fairy tale- both husband and wife understand why they do things together, the meaning of each other's company, and make love instead of have sex.

this is also a concern i had. yes, i do like the fact that they had sex because they've reached a higher level of intimacy/have the potential to reach a higher level of intimacy, butwhen it comes down to it, they literally had no reason why they did it, except because they felt like it. that's why sex and love-making are different, and age is a very important factor when it comes to love making. miyamura and hori are 17 going on 18 years old now. they're not adults, they're teenagers. they're clearly more level-headed than their classmates, but they're still impulsive. i know that this is the reason why society advocates (well used to(do they? forgive me i don't know anymore)) sex after marriage, because once two people are married, it's believed that they reached the highest level of intimacy and trust, which will proceed to love-making. people get married because they love their significant other, and enjoy their company. not once did they consider deeper implications of sex, nor do i think they love each other that much to graduate from sex to love-making. i firmly believe they'll get there though, because the way i see it, they do love and care about each other a lot! however, at this point in time, it's just sex.


i may contradict myself in this post, please point it out if you have the chance. i'm not very coherent, which is a weakness of mine when attempting to share my thoughts. so i tend not to do it, but this chapter had me feeling a lot of emotions.
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Actually I thought it was well written, no where near as smutty as most shoujo, it was handled much better than many manga.

This chapter made me have some mixed feelings. I got used with couples doing sex in manga (even if I don't really aprove.) But this time was kinda shocking, because I didn't expected that at all. But it was made in such a natural way that surprised me.
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There seems to be a lot of kids reading this manga.

Hahhaa some of the comments made me think the same thing.
What made me get a weird feeling was mostly because of souta. I know is something normal in real life, but is the first time I saw something like that in a manga (and I didn't expect that at all in Horimiya). That scene shocked me, but I love the way they handle it. It was really beautiful.Seriously, the conversation between Souta and Izumi almost made me cry, to me it was really touching
Even the scene when they were doing it was made in a way that I couldn't think as something impure or perverted. And that's what I like the most about this chapter. Things goes like that, not always planned to be a fairytale. To me it was natural, even if not everyone agreed.
Even so, I think they shouldn't have done it now. That's always my opinion about people doing this at this phase. Who cares if everyone does it, I don't think it's right. But as I said, it was handle in better way that a lot of histories, so I can't hate it at all.
I just don't understand why everyone's saying that this manga is light hearted and all. It wasn't even in the beggining, and it was clear to me!
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I just wish people would learn to appreciate the creativity of and the direction taken by the author. Stop complaining already. Accept it for what it is. Don't judge the story according to what you think is the truth or reality.

PS
My husband and I have sex from time to time, and sometimes, at the most unexpected times. But just because it happened for no reason or happened without being thought about, DOES NOT MEAN WE'RE NOT MAKING "LOVE" WITH EACH OTHER. I love him dearly and that's what matters most. What matters is what's in your heart. We're happy when we do it, not because we were swallowed by lust; but because we felt even more how much we love each other. Hope it makes sense.
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Lol, perfect chapter. I didn't see that coming at all in this manga.
Jul 21, 2014 7:02 PM

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Wow, I did not see this coming at all, but I'm so happy it did. Perfect chapter, hands down.
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I was kinda confused in the beginning and wasn't sure what was going on, It kinda inferred that something happened between them cuz hori was naked and miyamura was putting his shirt back on(or taking it off idk lol). If they actually happened to do "it" I don't think anything wrong of it. They've been dating for a while now and for a slow teenage relationship it's normal for when they finally kiss, it's followed by them doing "it". The way the author did the scene was very sweet too, maybe we could complain if it was like kyou koi wo hajimemasu's "it" scene(don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about that scene I loved it along with the manga, it would just be weird to see something like that in horimiya). To make a long story short, if they did actually do "it" then yes it is surprising but I'm happy and think it's nice and cute. I really like the Sota part it was adorable(I think he found out cuz maybe what he gave back to miyamura was something part of his clothes or something...don't underestimate sota, he's a smart kid.
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Jul 23, 2014 4:41 AM
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Did Souta know what happened? His question gave mo more shock than the happening itself. "Are you guys always doing stuff like that?" !!!! :O
Jul 24, 2014 10:27 AM

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I was definitely not expecting this *fans self*
Jul 24, 2014 3:38 PM

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I don't think I have seen so much "disappointment" and frustrations compared to this chapter than in many other romance mangas where the male protagonist forces his way on to the heroine. And those are still considered "cute" by some.

I consider Horimiya to still be a pure romance/love-story. We don't have any silly love triangles, unnecessary drama, just the relationship and its growth between the two main characters. Who is to say that this wasn't love-making? The author only shows us bits and pieces of the time and it is implied that they had sex (tho pretty obvious). Plus the situation itself seemed pure and heartwarming in itself, again nothing was forced and they did it because they were in a relationship and wanted to become more intimate both consensually. What reason is more pure then that?

Hell when Hori confirmed their relationship to her father early on without hesitation, wasnt that a sign that this manga wasnt necessarily "kiddy"?

I believe that Fairy Tales and "innocence" are for children in real life and even in the artificial/ dream worlds we all create. Innocence correlates with ignorance as both are lost when one is capable of fully understanding the difference between right and wrong.

This manga is way better then all those super fluffy romances where we are dragged through page after page after page of blushes from almost the touch of a hand, or from the frustrating ones where there is a dredge of misunderstandings that are oh so simple to solve.
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I like how GOLDEXPERIENCE and Saccharine understands the implications of this chapter.

like GOLDEXPERIENCE, for me this was also refreshin manga to read exactly for the same reasons. But now it is ruined. lol. I bet noone thought that they would do it in this chapter right? They never had been too intimate. So I am not sure what the mangaka is thinking...
I know, people say this is more realistic but duh.. (can you really hide you piercings and your tattoos like that for years and call it realistic??)
Jul 25, 2014 2:22 AM
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We can all say that this chapter was indeed a bit too forward as well as unexpected.

I consider this chapter a kind of jumping the gun because the mangaka, in a way, trivialized the impact of a sex scene with the fun but kinda useless conversation seen earlier in the chapter. I also am wondering when they had their first kiss...

This crucial scene would have been better built with either serious, but deflating conflict or intense situation, not a simple lovers spat about skinship during a horror movie.

But unlike the many many many other shoujo mangas I have read, Horimiya has an excellent quality of maturity. It was impressive how adult the main characters could be, by being supremely honest with each other and their feelings that didn't take 60 chapters for them to come out with. This excluding the sex scene.

It's almost beautiful how they interact with each other so fluidly and intimately, without the annoying pure-sugiru-I'm-scared-to-hold-your-hand bullshit (ya'll know what I'm talking about) of shoujo. It still holds it's own brand of pureness, which is one of Horimiya's charms that I absolutely adore, holding it even after the sex scene.

To those whose ideas have been skewed by the sex scene: this chapter may have been fast in its delivery, but the overall manga shouldnt be overlooked because of one scene, because it's one of the best of it's kind.

(I agree with the guys up top)
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that was well unexpected but it didnt seem too forward, i reckon it was timed right and i dont know why people are getting so bothered by it. But in saying this i fear it was too soon as im scared that the mangaka is going to put in a petty drama that is going to inflate majorly due to their impulsive desires. Still a really good chapter


The hug with shota and miyamura at the end tugged at my heart strings
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Jul 31, 2014 12:31 PM
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ewwwwwww !!! no comment -__- !!!
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really don't see how this is a shounen manga....defiantly not a shoujo either because I don't get that vibe from it. maybe seinen or josei???
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Good chapter. I didn't think they could go this far, though. I guess it's a proof that this is really good manga.

Hori-san's brother knows that they did it. What a kid!
Sep 19, 2014 6:32 AM
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It's fun how this topic has 7 pages while the rest just have 2, LOL

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Sep 24, 2014 12:37 AM

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a lot of different opinions I'm seeing.

wonder what the age demographic is for the readers who thought this chapter damaged the entire series vs those who thought it was fine.

honestly, I thought it was handled and executed very well. the actual "scene" was done very subtle, (though I realized it right away) and I find it interesting regarding the souta and izumi scene; I found it very heart warming how it played out vs the people who immediately thought of disgust and tasteless about how souta talked about sex.

all in all, this series has been a great read so far regardless. I truly appreciate the comedic romance being handled in a mature way. maybe its the bias speaking from going through all the blush blush kiddy kiddy shit ive seen lately.
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GOD DAMMIT, HORIMIYA. LET ME BREATHE, DAMMIT.
THIS.
Oct 3, 2014 9:33 PM

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Really nice. I find it weird, though, how they weren't tense at all lol.

By the way, the last scene with Souta was so awn <3
Oct 7, 2014 11:07 AM

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That definitely escalated all of a sudden. Was wondering when it would actually happen but that was totally random, unexpected. Nonetheless, I can say the atmosphere kinda fit.

I had to honestly check out what ppl say for this chapter to see if they actually did it, coz it didn't seem like it. Ahaha.

And yeahhh aww Souta :)
Oct 11, 2014 8:07 PM

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I hope they used a condom
Oct 19, 2014 5:38 AM

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There seems to be a lot of kids reading this manga.
Oct 20, 2014 7:18 AM

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Woah completely unexpected~ but really nice chapter.
Thought it was handled very well~
Oct 21, 2014 3:26 PM

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Eh I don't really care that they had sex but still, they're what 14 years old? Kind of ruins the manga for me. There's no reason to read it anymore for me. I'm not saying I read manga JUST to see sex, but they've basically solidified their relationship at this point (highly unlikely that they'll break up) now that they've essentially taken it to the next level.
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it finally happened 0_0
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It really caught me off guard o.o. they really did it!
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Was I shocked? Yes. Do I think Horimiya was destroyed? No. Am I reading it further? Of course! Why? That’s very simple, because it’s a great manga.

Horimiya looks innocent, but it actually has a lot of a dark stuff. I mean, look at Miyamura’s life in middle school, look at his whole personality – hi himself says that he is a “dark and gloomy freak”, he never had friends (except elementary school and Shindou in Middle school (who is actually a very very weird person himself)), he pierced ears, lip and a tongue by himself with a safety pin (people usually DON’T do it when they are okay), even the way mangaka draws, the art of those times is DARK. Not that much pure anymore, huh?

Now look at Hori family, does it actually look that this family is having a happy life? In her workaholic parents' absence, Hori has been like a parent for her little brother, she cooks, does all the chores, and for all manga shows, never goes out with her friends. What about her parents relationship? As I understood, wife (Hori’s mother) hadn’t seen or spoken with the father in like… I don’t exactly remember, but loooong time. So, the family is not having a perfect happily life. And I mean, Hori is a cruel person, even as a kid she bullied other, she had a metal bat (as a CHILD), and even now, she’s scary (not many girls can make guys think of her as a nightmare).
And when you look at their friends… there is a lot of jealousy, one-sided feelings and traumas. <---- not very fairy tale like!

So, when you think about it, Horimiya isn’t a fairy tale type, even if it looks like that on a surface, so there is no surprise that a couple would have sex. (I mean, they have been going out for a long time (Souta from kindergarten went to primary school during that time), not to mention, that they have Hori’s family approval (when I think about it, Hori’s dad was saying that Kyouko was born when her parents were their age, wonder if it means something…)) And it’s not that unexpected, I mean mangaka showed that Miyamura took Hori’s clay flavor candy, I don’t think that he would do that if they would have never kissed before, that shows that there was some intimacy already then.

The way it was all showed was very good and subtile. Everything went nicely, and there were many signs showing that this was coming (couple chapters before, was the memorial service, which showed that it’s hard for them to be apart, and then there was the time when they were about to kiss, but Hori’s dad disturbed them, and of course the ice cream scene shows Hori’s physical attraction to Miyamura). Besides, at that time you could say Hori took the initiative, that shows that she was mentally prepared for it, and even if it looks like they went with a flow, there was a reason behind it (well, yeah, Miyamura probably just went with a flow, but he’s a guy, or he understood Hori’s feeling better then I thought). I mean, The fact that Hori thought that she could be dumbed showed, that she was feeling insecure, that she wanted to deepen they relationship, cause you know, she is a jealous type (that’s what that bite/hickey was about – she didn’t like the attention he was getting from other girls, and to hide the hickey Miyamura needs to grow out his hair – meaning, girls won’t be all over him again, just like before (Hori is possessive, and Shindou in a ways was right, it was like a kinky necklace, well, I think more of a collar)).
Also, in the original they show a bit more of the sex itself, and it is even shown that the whole family is at home and having dinner at that. The adaptation doesn’t show this, but that explains why Souta could see it. In the end, what I want to say, is that when you think about it, look at the previous chapters, you can see that this was coming and that there were reasons, not just “going with the flow”.

Well what shocked me was that Souta saw it. (He definably didn’t find a condom because it would have been a used one! An i doubt he would have understood what it was then.) But it was nicely handled and it just one more time showed that Horimiya is walking between dark reality and a sweet comedy romance.


All in all, I loved this chapter, I love this manga and I think it is great, that their relationship is goings so nicely. They are a unique couple, so is their relationship, but fundamentalty, their relationship is moving forward just like it would for any teenager’s couple, and sex is just a part of it.
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It's so weird that they had sex. I mean we've seen them kiss like once.
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I think they didn't do it. It's probably they're just making out. You know, like touching other parts of the body and stuff and kissing/pecking. Because in Manga, they're just half-naked. We could not prove yet if they did it because even Souta did not say anything but just asked Miyamura if are they always doing it. I think that's just all for now... Let's wait for the other chapters to be posted, then we can prove ahead if they "did" it or not.
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