| I'm just wondering what people think about those who read or watch lolicon or shotacon anime or manga. Do you think it's slightly pedo-ish and disturbing? |
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VanishingKira said: This thread again... |
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| No, it's not Reason: Completely fictional and no one was harmed in the making of the works. |
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| Fetish for kids = pedophile = lolicon/shotacon yes |
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Gekishin said: Every time I read loli hentai I ask myself the same thing. After fapping. Pretty much this. Considering I get completely grossed out by the idea of actually fucking a child, in the end I decide I don't give a shit 'cuz fictional. |
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Hoppy said: No, it's not Reason: Completely fictional and no one was harmed in the making of the works. That's what all lolicon say. |
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| They're not real little girls or guys so I don't think so. Just don't go around trying to molest real children. |
| yes.. duh?. |
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cabacc2 said: PrimeX said: no. Its fictional, liking fiction doesnt make you a pedophile.yes.. duh?. Pedophilia simply means attraction to prepubescent children, so it being fiction doesn't really matter. Attraction to prepubescents = lolicon/shotacon = pedophilia. |
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Hoppy said: No, it's not Reason: Completely fictional and no one was harmed in the making of the works. just because nobody was hurt or is real doesn't mean it's not a paedophilic fetish. The sexual attraction to ''little girls or boys'' children and young adults is what makes a paedophile a paedophile. Not whether or not they actively go out and rape children.. even if it's in the mind of a person it a ''tendency''. So that fact the happen to be cartoons only means that they exist within the fictional world, but still in the imagination of what that mind fantasizes about. |
RedRoseFring said: Pretty much this.cabacc2 said: no. Its fictional, liking fiction doesnt make you a pedophile. Pedophilia simply means attraction to prepubescent children, so it being fiction doesn't really matter. Also don't mistake pedophile with child molester. |
| I don't think so. I have no attraction to real kids. Loli's are just really cute. |
| I just can't stand loli shows, and yes it is pedophilia |
| Yes. Yes it does. |
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| Perhaps a little bit. But even if it is, so what? There's nothing wrong with being a pedophile. You can't always help what you like. It's how you deal with it that separates us from common animals because we can restrain ourselves. |
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| Nope. That's like asking if a person who likes killing people in video games would like killing people in real life. If you can't tell the difference between real life and fiction, you have lost your way, little one. |
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cabacc2 said: but they are depictions of children.RedRoseFring said: drawings arent children.Pedophilia simply means attraction to prepubescent children, so it being fiction doesn't really matter. Attraction to prepubescents = lolicon/shotacon = pedophilia. |
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Emnay said: cabacc2 said: but they are depictions of children.drawings arent children. No they're not. They're 5,000 year old mahou shoujos |
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LadyRenly said: that's what they all sayEmnay said: but they are depictions of children. No they're not. They're 5,000 year old mahou shoujos |
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| Well, at least CNN thinks so |
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| These threads are meaningless because its entirely an individual question. For the vast majority the answer would be no, however that doesn't mean it isn't true for at least a few people somewhere. |
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Emnay said: but they are depictions of children. They can be, but don't have to be. Examples: - Ruri Gokou (OreImo). Has all the physical characteristics of a child, but is actually a high school student, meaning she's at least 15 years old. Hardly a child anymore. - The teacher from the RailDex franchise. Looks like a little girl, but is actually a fully-grown woman on the inside (and apparently, old enough to drink booze legally). Same thing goes for Utage (NouCome). She's a grown woman, who got stuck in a child's body. - Shakugan no Shana titular character. Appears to be no older than 12, but is actually much older, while having the mind of a young teenager. I wonder, though, why is MAL suddenly so obsessed with threads about loli and shota? LadyRenly said: Perhaps a little bit. But even if it is, so what? There's nothing wrong with being a pedophile. You can't always help what you like. It's how you deal with it that separates us from common animals because we can restrain ourselves. This. Why do people make such a fuss over it? It's not like these people want to feel attracted to children, and most of them know how to restrain themselves, because they know the consequences if they don't. Dark_Chaos said: Nope. That's like asking if a person who likes killing people in video games would like killing people in real life. If you can't tell the difference between real life and fiction, you have lost your way, little one. Also, this. |
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AO968 said: that just makes them a hebephile or whatever that shit is calledEmnay said: but they are depictions of children. They can be, but don't have to be. Examples: - Ruri Gokou (OreImo). Has all the physical characteristics of a child, but is actually a high school student, meaning she's at least 15 years old. Hardly a child anymore. |
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cabacc2 said: RedRoseFring said: drawings arent children.Pedophilia simply means attraction to prepubescent children, so it being fiction doesn't really matter. Attraction to prepubescents = lolicon/shotacon = pedophilia. Like someone said, they are depictions of children, just like people turned on by depictions of the opposite sex, or even verbal descriptions. |
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RedRoseFring said: except no matter what, anime characters will never resemble real life equivalents at all, not in personality and sure as hell not in appearance; they're lacking a dimension god dammit lolcabacc2 said: drawings arent children. Like someone said, they are depictions of children, just like people turned on by depictions of the opposite sex, or even verbal descriptions. |
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Hoppy said: No, it's not Reason: Completely fictional and no one was harmed in the making of the works. Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. Real or fake, you're still getting off to pictures of kids having sex. |
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HaXXspetten said: Anime characters resemble human beings. Fact. RedRoseFring said: except no matter what, anime characters will never resemble real life equivalents at all, not in personality and sure as hell not in appearance; they're lacking a dimension god dammit lolLike someone said, they are depictions of children, just like people turned on by depictions of the opposite sex, or even verbal descriptions. |
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Emnay said: No they represent human beings, they don't look like them. It is literally impossible for a two-dimensional drawing to look like a three-dimensional oneHaXXspetten said: Anime characters resemble human beings. Fact. except no matter what, anime characters will never resemble real life equivalents at all, not in personality and sure as hell not in appearance; they're lacking a dimension god dammit lol |
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HaXXspetten said: oh the semanticsEmnay said: No they represent human beings, they don't like them. It is literally impossible for a two-dimensional drawing to look like a three-dimensional oneAnime characters resemble human beings. Fact. |
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| Yes, yes it is. It is bad to fap to it and you should feel bad for fapping to it. PS: Black Bullet is for pedos. |
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| Well anyways you can turn these kind of topics in pretty much any way you want but they will always circlejerk because it's all subjective. Everyone will just end up forcing their own ideals on eachother whereas in reality there is no general correct answer. You can however without a doubt say a few things: Anime characters are not real life characters. Disregarding whether or not they're resembling them or not they are not literally the same thing, noone can argue against that. Hence the real issue doesn't lie there, but rather it's down to individual interpretation of it. Since we've already deduced that anime chars and real ones are not literally the same thing, the matter at hand lies with the connection between the two. If (X){ Then (Y)} If X would represent liking lolis and Y represent liking real kids, then the problem does not lie with either X nor Y, but rather it's the "Then" that is the issue. I.E. if you like lolis, do you also like their real-life version? That is not something you can generalize, but something that will vary completely from person to person. The vast majority would not make this connection but that doesn't mean there won't be anyone who does, because we all know there exists such people out there. tl;dr the problem doesn't lie with loli/shotacon itself, it's simply a case of "to each their own", and a few of those people might head down the wrong path |
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Sapewloth said: PS: Black Bullet is for pedos. No it's not, I watch Black Bullet for the action. |
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Hoppy said: Tell that to judge.Sapewloth said: PS: Black Bullet is for pedos. No it's not, I watch Black Bullet for the action. |
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HaXXspetten said: Well anyways you can turn these kind of topics in pretty much any way you want but they will always circlejerk because it's all subjective. Everyone will just end up forcing their own ideals on eachother whereas in reality there is no general correct answer. You can however without a doubt say a few things: Anime characters are not real life characters. Disregarding whether or not they're resembling them or not they are not literally the same thing, noone can argue against that. Hence the real issue doesn't lie there, but rather it's down to individual interpretation of it. Since we've already deduced that anime chars and real ones are not literally the same thing, the matter at hand lies with the connection between the two. If (X){ Then (Y)} If X would represent liking lolis and Y represent liking real kids, then the problem does not lie with either X nor Y, but rather it's the "Then" that is the issue. I.E. if you like lolis, do you also like their real-life version? That is not something you can generalize, but something that will vary completely from person to person. The vast majority would not make this connection but that doesn't mean there won't be anyone who does, because we all know there exists such people out there. tl;dr the problem doesn't lie with loli/shotacon itself, it's simply a case of "to each their own", and a few of those people might head down the wrong path "Attraction" does not necessitate that they have to be the same thing. That's like saying people can't get hungry from looking at pictures of food. It being 3D or 2D is irrelevant. |
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| I think it is, or at least a vein of it. Sure, its fiction, but its still the sexualization/romance of children. Sure, it's a character, but it's still a character that is obviously underage, or at least made to appear that way. If it's just a character, why not go for one that's NOT depicted like a child? |
MaiTaiJun 25, 2014 4:22 PM
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MaiTai said: I think it is, or at least a vein of it. Sure, its fiction, but its still the sexualization/romance of children. Sure, it's a character, but it's still a character that is obviously overage, or at least made to appear that way. If it's just a character, why not go for one that's NOT depicted like a child? Maybe the loli or shota is more mature or has a better personality which is often the case in ecchi anime, the well developed chicks often are tsundere, have bland personalities, or just doesn't have the desired personality traits that the viewer wants. |
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| It depends, obviously. If you get particularly excited and aroused by the idea of what they resemble, and you're drawn towards loli and shota because of that, then is it really that far-fetched to call them pedos? No. |
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