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May 13, 2014 5:24 PM
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A masterpiece is an outstanding work of art or craft. Not the embodiment of perfection. So basically, if you think something was an outstanding piece of anime, it should be given a ten.

A 9 is "great". An 8 is "very good".

At the end of the day, you can rate it whatever you want to, it is based on opinion, but don't you think you are a little harsh sometimes? Some people never rate 10. Does that mean you have never found an anime you thought was outstanding?
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May 13, 2014 5:27 PM
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If everything is a 10, there are no 10's

Edit: I feel that afer you watch a good amount of shows your list should look more like a bell curve, with a few 10's more 9's, more 8's most 7's and then decreasing again

((obviously potentially being less or non-existant under the 5's depending on how you find your shows - I mean I wouldn't expect you to knowingly watch a horrible show))
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May 13, 2014 5:28 PM
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Another ranting thread about ratting

Anyway you say it yourself thar people gave their own standard on ratting anime.

Off topic but Nagi no Asukara is the lattest anime that I rate 10.
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May 13, 2014 5:36 PM
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I don't like how MAL considers a 9 "great", to me great is just another word for very good. If 7 is good I'd consider 7.5 very good and of course 8 great (not just because it rhymes).
May 13, 2014 5:36 PM
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A 10 is by definition perfection
A masterpiece is as well by definition perfection
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May 13, 2014 5:39 PM
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The more of anything you do or see the stricter you will probably rate most of that thing.

For instance, have you ever watched a Slam Dunk Contest? You probably have watched one before. If you haven't then watch this one Ever see a guy pull off an incredible dunk but the judges only give them a 7 or 8?

That's probably because they've seen hundreds of dunks and just dunking is not a big deal to them. In order to get that person excited enough for them to give you a 10 you'll have to pull off something really amazing.

So that's the reason that people on here won't give out many 10's. Because a 10 isn't something that is just good. A 10 is something that is very special.
May 13, 2014 5:44 PM
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I use the Evangelion method of rating.

1-4: It all comes tumbling down...
5: No strong feelings either way.
6-10: This is good, isn't it?

I've given out two tens (three technically but one was just the second season of a show I had already given a ten) , and I'm okay with that. A person should have few tens, as they are only meant for the best of the best.
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May 13, 2014 5:45 PM
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My dick is masterpiece and not some unattainable thing.
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May 13, 2014 5:47 PM
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There would be too much 10's out there if people thought like that.

I think that people give 10 to something very special, or something that they are fanboys of.
May 13, 2014 5:47 PM

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Yh I give 10s if I enjoyed a show considerably and found it amazing. And I usually only watch shows I believe I would enjoy so always end up with a few 10s.
May 13, 2014 5:49 PM

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UnoPuntoCinco said:
There would be too much 10's out there if people thought like that.

I think that people give 10 to something very special, or something that they are fanboys of.


I have to admit I give tens exclusively to things I can potentially see myself rewatching because it was just too amazing. I had to marathon the series because it was too good for me to stop. That is what a masterpiece is to me, something extremely great the whole way through.

I give nine's to overall amazing shows that had some rough patches.
May 13, 2014 5:49 PM

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FlawlessBliss said:
A 10 is by definition perfection
A masterpiece is as well by definition perfection


This, also what UnoPuntoChico said.
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May 13, 2014 5:49 PM

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I think that you should rate it however you want.
I personally give 10s to anime/manga that have that something special, but I'm pretty easy so I may have like 40 ,10s. But in the end of the day who gives two shits.
May 13, 2014 5:50 PM

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FlawlessBliss said:
A masterpiece is as well by definition perfection

Nowhere does it say that "masterpiece" means perfect.
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May 13, 2014 5:50 PM

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I just consider and recognize "10, s" as the best in the medium, not absolute perfection.
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It's a masterpiece in the comedy genre. OT, you should really just stop over thinking things.
May 13, 2014 5:51 PM

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syshim said:
FlawlessBliss said:
A masterpiece is as well by definition perfection

Nowhere does it say that "masterpiece" means perfect.

Kabi-sama said:
I just consider and recognize "10, s" as the best in the medium, not absolute perfection.


This. Basically what I meant. What I think is the best in the medium.
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Kabi-sama said:
I just consider and recognize "10, s" as the best in the medium, not absolute perfection.
If it's "the best" it means is perfect.
May 13, 2014 6:06 PM

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A "10" is your own personal standard.

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May 13, 2014 6:06 PM

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how about people use the 10 rating in a way thats relative to them

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

May 13, 2014 6:08 PM

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JizzyHitler said:
how about people use the 10 rating in a way thats relative to them

No. They must only use 10's in the way I see fit.
May 13, 2014 6:16 PM

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I'v rated most everything I have watched between 8 and 10. Although, my sample size is pretty small and I have mostly just watched already well known and popular animes that seemed like they'd be interesting. Once I become more of a veteran and start watching more obscure anime, I'm sure i'll come across stuff that isn't as good.

I pretty much just rate on an enjoyment factor though. For example, if I was rating Kampfer objectively, it'd probably score pretty low. However, I really enjoyed that show and gave it a 8 or 9 or something because I found it way too entertaining.
May 13, 2014 6:17 PM

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antonn said:
JizzyHitler said:
how about people use the 10 rating in a way thats relative to them

No. They must only use 10's in the way I see fit.
They can rate anime whatever score they want.
May 13, 2014 6:25 PM
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People can rate things how they want to rate things?

Maybe some peoples' rating system means that 9 is a masterpiece.
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May 13, 2014 6:29 PM

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StardustNyako said:
FlawlessBliss said:
A 10 is by definition perfection
A masterpiece is as well by definition perfection


This, also what UnoPuntoChico said.
Full Definition of MASTERPIECE
1
: a work done with extraordinary skill; especially : a supreme intellectual or artistic achievement
2
: a piece of work presented to a medieval guild as evidence of qualification for the rank of master


mas·ter·piece
[mas-ter-pees, mah-ster-] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person's greatest piece of work, as in an art.
2.
anything done with masterly skill: a masterpiece of improvisation.
3.
a consummate example of skill or excellence of any kind: The chef's cake was a masterpiece.
4.
a piece made by a person aspiring to the rank of master in a guild or other craft organization as a proof of competence.


1A work of outstanding artistry, skill, or workmanship: a great literary masterpiece the car was a masterpiece of space-age technology

1.1An artist’s or craftsman’s best piece of work: the painting is arguably Picasso’s masterpiece

1.2 • historical A piece of work by a craftsman accepted as qualification for membership of a guild as an acknowledged master.

I don't see the word perfect in there. That's from dictionary.com. merriemwebster.com and oxforddictionaries.com Art can't be perfect so it would be a redundant score.
May 13, 2014 6:38 PM

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JizzyHitler said:
how about people use the 10 rating in a way thats relative to them
How about you shut your mouth? We don't need your crazy logic around here.
May 13, 2014 6:40 PM

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In short; A ten must have the next qualities: be fucking awesome.
May 13, 2014 6:41 PM

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Slyr3do0n said:
JizzyHitler said:
how about people use the 10 rating in a way thats relative to them
How about you shut your mouth? We don't need your crazy logic around here.
shh, your sarcasm canstart flame warswith the significantly ignorant chunk of the masses.
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JizzyHitler said:
how about people use the 10 rating in a way thats relative to them
it's tolerable as long as you're not giving them away like it a fucking charity.
May 13, 2014 6:52 PM
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This is why I abolished the use of a 10 point scale system.
May 13, 2014 6:53 PM

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5 point scale system is clearly worse and even less specific
May 13, 2014 7:34 PM

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Lime_ said:
If everything is a 10, there are no 10's

Edit: I feel that afer you watch a good amount of shows your list should look more like a bell curve, with a few 10's more 9's, more 8's most 7's and then decreasing again

((obviously potentially being less or non-existant under the 5's depending on how you find your shows - I mean I wouldn't expect you to knowingly watch a horrible show))
Everything that has the standard rating scale of 1-10 will, more than likely, end up being a bell curve.
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May 13, 2014 7:41 PM

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that is your opinion. i consider a 10 perfect because i rated each individual part of an anime separately and make the overall score the average between all of the individual scores. so in order to get a 10 overall using my way of scoring is to get a 10 for story, animation, sound, characters and enjoyment.
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May 13, 2014 7:46 PM

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Oh look another rating thread. Anyway, the rating is based on opinion meaning if a person rates an anime as a 10 then that's just their opinion.
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May 13, 2014 7:46 PM

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10-7: yes
6-5: at your discretion
4-1: no

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May 13, 2014 7:56 PM

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I agree with the OP on this. An anime or manga title doesn't need to be absolutely flawless to deserve a 10/10. It need only be outstanding and amazing overall. Demanding absolute perfection down to the most minute and miniscule details from stories created by fallible human beings is simply unreasonable.

Why even use the 10 point scoring system in the first place if according to your standards nothing can ever realistically achieve a 10/10?
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May 13, 2014 8:13 PM
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Posted from my profile.

"I believe a five point rating system is great because it recognizes that scores are broad generalizations. For example, if somebody gave Pupa a two out of ten and School Days a three out of ten, is there a difference? Both anime are objectively mediocre and all the score is going to tell you is that they are bad. If you want more nuance on how bad they actually are, you have to go and read a written review. In a ten point scale, everything under five means the anime is likely not worth watching, so there's really no actual difference.

There is no real nuance to a score difference of two- or three-tenths of a point. A five point system at least gives sweeping generalizations for other people to use as a guide. Credit for this great guide goes back to Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb of X-Play back in 2007 when G4 was not the tragic abomination it is now."

5/5: Great anime that realizes all ambitions of its design with little to no actual flaws worth noting of.

4/5: Above average anime that falls just short of greatness due to a few notable flaws.

3/5: Average anime that is competent but often lacking in freshness or memorability.

2/5: Mediocre anime that is severely flawed and difficult to recommend.

1/5: Bad anime with little to no redeemable characteristics.
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Exaccus said:
I agree with the OP on this. An anime or manga title doesn't need to be absolutely flawless to deserve a 10/10. It need only be outstanding and amazing overall. Demanding absolute perfection down to the most minute and miniscule details from stories created by fallible human beings is simply unreasonable.

Why even use the 10 point scoring system in the first place if according to your standards nothing can ever realistically achieve a 10/10?
well for my rating score that is just the way it turns out. as i explained before my overall score is the average of several others scores so in order for it to get a 10 overall it has to have a 10 in animation, sound, characters, story and enjoyment and i have never seen that before.
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well for my rating score that is just the way it turns out. as i explained before my overall score is the average of several others scores so in order for it to get a 10 overall it has to have a 10 in animation, sound, characters, story and enjoyment and i have never seen that before.
Because masterpieces are found by taking averages!
no i like to separate the scores to put emphasis on what a show does good and what it does bad. that is why when i make a youtube review i always make sure to say the individual scores
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Oh my goodness your rating scale it based on/inspired by X-Play? I didn't think it could get any worse...
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mattbenz99 said:
no i like to separate the scores to put emphasis on what a show does good and what it does bad. that is why when i make a youtube review i always make sure to say the individual scores
Because masterpieces are not more than the sum of its parts!
my scoring method is made not just to grade masterpieces. it has to grade all other shows that arent masterpieces or around 98% of all other anime
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mattbenz99 said:
my scoring method is made not just to grade masterpieces. it has to grade all other shows that arent masterpieces or around 98% of all other anime
Because only masterpieces can be more than the sum of its parts. @__@
again this method allows me to emphasis what the good and bad parts of a show are more than just a plain number can. yes it isnt perfect but i think it is better than just putting a single number up
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people will argue about it vs the manga but berserk will always and forever be my favorite. i have no doubt.
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There's a reason why 7/10 entertainment are often so criticized in written or video reviews: it's because they are not good in that context. I remember well of how ANN completely attacked Mirai Nikki and gave it a C with a brutally mean spirited closing comment.
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I have a question for people who rate using the 7-10 scale (where 7 is 70% or the average), why do you need so many levels for bad anime (1-6, 10-60%)? What are the advantages of the 7-10 scale?


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There's a reason why 7/10 entertainment are often so criticized in written or video reviews: it's because they are not good in that context. I remember well of how ANN completely attacked Mirai Nikki and gave it a C with a brutally mean spirited closing comment.


No it's because many review platforms rely heavily on ad money from the people who make the products they're also reviewing. It's in many big time video games websites best financial interest to use grossly inflated scores.
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i actually rate by a reverse scale, because I think anime is like golf and such. 1 obviously means #1 and should be treated like a #1 anime!

10- Horrible crap like Elfen Lied. People cry to this shit? Makes me cry from pain.
9- barely watchable mainstream crap like code geass
8- Pretentious crap like bakemonogatari with too much fanservice
7- Gay crap like Shinsekai yori
6- Moeshit crap like Nichijou
5- Average animes like Free!
4- Pretty good anime like high school of the dead. it's so deep man
3- Coolest stuff evar like Black butler. Es cool cause other people like it too!
2- tearjerking masterpieces like Air. The character designs are true art.
1- Amazing pieces of art like End of Evangelion

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Shouldn't you have given Free! a 7 too then?
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i actually rate by a reverse scale, because I think anime is like golf and such. 1 obviously means #1 and should be treated like a #1 anime!

10- Horrible crap like Elfen Lied. People cry to this shit? Makes me cry from pain.
9- barely watchable mainstream crap like code geass
8- Pretentious crap like bakemonogatari with too much fanservice
7- Gay crap like Shinsekai yori
6- Moeshit crap like Nichijou
5- Average animes like Free!
4- Pretty good anime like high school of the dead. it's so deep man
3- Coolest stuff evar like Black butler. Es cool cause other people like it too!
2- tearjerking masterpieces like Air. The character designs are true art.
1- Amazing pieces of art like End of Evangelion

The bait is strong with this one.
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Cupquake said:
i actually rate by a reverse scale, because I think anime is like golf and such. 1 obviously means #1 and should be treated like a #1 anime!

10- Horrible crap like Elfen Lied. People cry to this shit? Makes me cry from pain.
9- barely watchable mainstream crap like code geass
8- Pretentious crap like bakemonogatari with too much fanservice
7- Gay crap like Shinsekai yori
6- Moeshit crap like Nichijou
5- Average animes like Free!
4- Pretty good anime like high school of the dead. it's so deep man
3- Coolest stuff evar like Black butler. Es cool cause other people like it too!
2- tearjerking masterpieces like Air. The character designs are true art.
1- Amazing pieces of art like End of Evangelion

The bait is strong with this one.


? I wasn't even baiting though? I was basically insulting my own favorites. What? it was supposed to be an ironic joke. Look closer and see all the intentional contradictions I put into that scale.
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