Log Horizon Episode 22 Discussion

swordstriker21 said:

Anyway the both of them were acting and thinking really selfishly about their (assumed) "relationship" w/ Shiroe. They both were content w/ staying near him and assumed that he will reciprocate their feelings w/out them making any concrete steps to try to understand him more or to further their relationship w/ him. Minoris outburst was a concise example of their attitudes towards their relationship w/ Shiroe. Completely one sided and sefish. W/c is unfair for the guy regardless of who he ends up w/. The both of them will start to confront their feelings and insecurities more after this and hopefully change for the better.

Takuan_Soho said:

We don't know if Minori really wants to have a "romantic relationship", neither I bet does she. She has every reason in the world to love Shiroe, the person who rescued her brother and her from slavery, the person who is teaching her how to be a good person (this was back in episode 8 or so), the one person she can totally count on in this world, but that isn't the same thing as wanting to jump in the sack with him. This is her first love, and one of the elements of first love is its innocence.

Takuan_Soho said:


Akatsuki isn't exactly immature you know. Her problem is that she is a 23 year old girl who looks like she is 13 child (as explained in episode 3), it doesn't take too much imagination to begin to realize what a living hell that would create for a woman her age. There is a reason why she wanted to do the lone wolf assassin route.

As for being "useless", in the first 4 fights they did as a team, she dispatched more players than Shiroe and Nagotsu combined. The problem is of course as Shiroe rises in status, his battles are fought at a higher and higher level, which makes her combat skills far less important (in that Shiroe needs armies, not individuals). However, given that we know that there is another power center forming in West Japan, her value will suddenly increase (though she doesn't know it yet) as the battle between Shiroe and whoever that leader is becomes more personal and Shiroe's individual worth increases. Then a bodyguard/assassin will have a lot of worth.

Natr1x said:


But they already had forges and the like for producing armor and stuff. This includes furniture such as bathtubs which were already in the game for cosmetic purposes. Steel plating, bolts and etc. are probably crafting recipes which means that they can be crafted from a menu in virtually no time at all. The rest would be just assembling the parts along with the manual manufacturing of a few core parts that could not be created via a menu.

I think the timeframe they completed it in was about one to two months. Consider what you and some friends can accomplish in minecraft over a weekend of play and the steam boat is hardly even impresive.

HowTragic said:
Akatsuki > Noob Girl. I find a relationship based on a one-sided reliance and dependence to be unlikely to work out. Noob Girl's sort of clingyness to Shiro in order to improve her own standing and skills also constitutes the archetype that Shiro hates. That and I just don't like Minori. Only half-filled bottles make sounds when shaken. The sauciness when she tries to imitate Shiro with her party members, despite not being only half filled is cringe-worthy, and her sudden outburst this episode certainly didn't improve my opinion of her.

One might argue that she "tried to improve Shiro's image" like the person above me, but when you're sitting alone crying and yelling stuff like "ずるいよ！" after only watching Akatsuki interacting with Shiro, then spending the remaining time conversing about her feelings for Shiro, that noble "goal" doesn't seem to be as important as she would like people to believe. Furthermore, if we're on the topic of usefulness, Akatsuki's been with Shiro since episode one, and has been imperative in the many missions and stratagems through the course of these 21 episode. These are actual results, not daydreams and wishes.

Or we can go hope for an ACTUAL female candidate to show up (groundbreaking, I know), not a noob, not a quiet midget, but maybe that quirky little Onee-chan they've been teasing for the previous twenty episodes who led Tea Party, and obviously had some relationship with Shiro. At this rate Shiro's going to end up worse than Crusty; the ザコchara at least managed to nab a princess, no matter how lazy or disheveled.

Urek said:


ohohoho, dont worry, it will end with everything resolved, but in a (massive) cliffhanger

Takuan_Soho said:


First, I don't think she knows how old Shiroe is, second you really can't control love. There was a nice touch this episode, Minori didn't know what she was feeling (even though her brother did) until she felt jealousy towards Akatsuki (the whole "he is mine") and then the whole thing just flooded out of her. That is what love is like, it doesn't often come with trumpets and banners, it can suddenly knock your socks off.

We don't know if Minori really wants to have a "romantic relationship", neither I bet does she. She has every reason in the world to love Shiroe, the person who rescued her brother and her from slavery, the person who is teaching her how to be a good person (this was back in episode 8 or so), the one person she can totally count on in this world, but that isn't the same thing as wanting to jump in the sack with him. This is her first love, and one of the elements of first love is its innocence.

r3birth said:
What a crap episode. I really dislike akatsuki. Really hope there to be no more moe crap on future episodes.

SimmianPrime said:
I think it would have been amazing development for her to acknowledge that she knows nothing can ever come of it.

Tachii said:
The triangle is totally unneeded imo. Especially when the two are loli-esque too...

kaimax said:


1 Volume dedicated to her coming right up next season.

r3birth said:


Does she develop or does she remain a moe style character?

Takuan_Soho said:
Something that strikes me is that if people have enjoyed the first 20 episodes, why would they think that one or two slow episodes are a portent of things to come? Hasn't the author built up any trust among the viewers? That maybe he or she knows what they are doing?

Echelonex said:
They dont even try anymore to discover why or how they got into this world in the first place...

Echelonex said:
Well, this anime really started to get so slow and boring...:(

When i watched the part when they were fighting to get Serara out, i imediately gave this anime a clear 10! I was so hyped and i looked forward to seeing what other awesome things it would bring to me!

-MgZ_ said:
Oh wow, I'd like to meet Minori and stick a middle finger to her face. I hate this kinds of characters. They don't realize their position. She is a fucking kid and Shiroe is already an adult! Somebody need to spell that out to her. It's not like Shiroe is like 30 and she is 20. That is different. She's still a gradeschooler, why would she cry and weep on the floor because Akatsuki likes Shiroe? Does she not realize that Shiroe would never hit on her because she's still a fucking kid or did she thought it wouldnt matter because they are just in a game or MAYBE SHE JUST LOST HER FUCKING MIND. I mean it is ok to have crush on Shiroe but she might as well know that there is no way that they would end up together right? So no need to overreact like you just lost your most important partner in your life.

I don't understand why are they pushing Minori as Akatsuki's rival. It's understandable if it's the teaparty's leader but man they didn't even show a hint or sign that Minori liked Shiroe in a romantic way in these past episodes. She just tried to suddenly confessed last episode and we are supposed to feel pity to her because she likes him soooooooo much? It was shown that Minori admired Shiroe as a mentor and a senior to the game but wow... Are they so desperate to progress Akatsuki x Shiroe's romance that they need to just suddenly put a rival right now? Akatsuki x Shiroe could have progressed with just them.

Anyways, I hope we great conclusion at the end of this series. I hope they stop with the Minori thingy.. She is on Akatsuki's way D:

kaimax said:


So your point is short people cannot love taller people, yes?
So poor Akatsuki must find a guy that's as tall as she is to finally look normal to you?

Takuan_Soho said:
Akatsuki isn't exactly immature you know. Her problem is that she is a 23 year old girl who looks like she is 13 child (as explained in episode 3), it doesn't take too much imagination to begin to realize what a living hell that would create for a woman her age. There is a reason why she wanted to do the lone wolf assassin route.

Takuan_Soho said:
Something that strikes me is that if people have enjoyed the first 20 episodes, why would they think that one or two slow episodes are a portent of things to come? Hasn't the author built up any trust among the viewers? That maybe he or she knows what they are doing?

acdneo said:
is there a cliche evil guy?

GrayArchon said:


A lot of it is probably broken expectations at play. Some of the people that didn't like this turn of events are likely ones that kept hearing about how this series was nothing but OTPs. Only to have it made abundantly clear this episode that the author is as fond of love triangles and romantic drama as other authors are. Others were likely coming at the series entirely cold, and took it to be an action series based on the first few episodes. Things were slow in the middle, but perseverance payed off with the whole army thing, and the battles of the newbies. Only now instead of doing the logical thing and continuing on to finish off the Goblin King and complete the event to finish out the series, were clearly closing on a note of slice of life romantic comedy and drama instead with no real hope for action. Boom go the expectations.

deenszx's list of possible reasons is pretty good as well.



Demikas. Hamelin. Goblin King.

kaimax said:


Yeah, the actual guys being evil because they're cliche is just the guys from Hamelin. The Goblin King is too offscreen to much to be an antagonist and he's just a scripted event boss, while Demikas has a lot more things to show later on.

GrayArchon said:




Demikas. Hamelin. Goblin King.

MagisterArcanum said:
I believe it was explained clearly enough they are not going to just storm in and kill off the Goblin King straightaway so as to prevent the goblins from running amok. Instead, they are just going to besiege his forces (offscreen for the moment). About Demikas, as strange as it may sound that's not the last time we will see him. Though that is season 2's material >.>

kaimax said:
The Goblin King is too offscreen to much to be an antagonist and he's just a scripted event boss

xchee said:
"They say that man does not live by bread alone. But with bread and fantasies, you can get over almost anything!"
Wise words, Henrietta. Wise words. Words to live by lmao.

Akatsuki overload. So cute O___O

No Minori, just NO! I can defend your imitating Shiroe's tactics and being emo but don't you dare come between Shiroe x Akatsuki aka OTP. NO! GO AWAY! SHOO! I'll sic Crusty on you if you keep on this path.

GrayArchon said:
However, look at it from the viewpoint of someone that mistook the series for an action series. After episode 20,

5layer said:
This anime really doesn't need love triangles or harem building. I hope it doesn't go down that path.

kaimax said:


That's my problem with these guys though, It already reached 20 episodes and most of the novel readers and people familiar with Mamare's writing style already explained to these guys for more than 20 episodes that Log Horizon isn't just MMORPG and action.

It's one thing to dislike the episodes, but it's just full retard to discredit the whole series just because you don't like one episode and ignoring all the points in that episode. It's been clear that they said that their putting off the goblin king for logical reasons, but some just posted things like they never did watch the episode.

GrayArchon said:
Like I said, yes the series explained why they weren't going after the Goblin King even after a one month timeskip. However the time skip to the festival could have easily been a time skip to the Goblin King raid instead.

It's not exactly a reaction to get worked up over.

GrayArchon said:

Like I said, yes the series explained why they weren't going after the Goblin King even after a one month timeskip. However the time skip to the festival could have easily been a time skip to the Goblin King raid instead.

kaimax said:


Aww...looks like they omitted the part of Henrietta and Krusty's Chat with Isaac, and mostly consists of Chapter 3, with an early bit of Chapter 4.

MagisterArcanum said:


Actually, it is not that they do not want to discover, but rather they have no leads. Why do you think Shiroe spent most of time in his room (and got himself unfairly labelled as a shut-in)? If you watch his actions in the past few episodes you will notice he is actively trying to gather intelligence. As for action, unfortunately this season will not have any more action scenes in the traditional sense due to the structure of the light novels. There will be lots of them though in the second season if it is ever going to be released.

Echelonex said:


Yeah i wasnt trying to say they arent trying but that its not shown to the viewers and thats to us the same as the chars are not even trying...>__> In both cases you dont see plot development.

Echelonex said:

Yeah i wasnt trying to say they arent trying but that its not shown to the viewers and thats to us the same as the chars are not even trying...>__> In both cases you dont see plot development.

Aldaar said:
To bad they dont skip all of that ( which is the worst part of the light novel ) and go for the Murderer Arc ...