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AnimeFan500 said: Did anyone see this comparison post on tumblr. It speaks for itself T__T http://99numbershunters.tumblr.com/post/76000682028/i-cant-stop-crying-its-the-same-exact-scene Oh wow.. |
| oh wow such an awesome mood swing twist.... THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN 19 TIMES BEFORE, WHO IN THEIR FUCKING MINDS THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT IT IN THE FUCKING OPENING? And the good thing of this anime was that it didnt have that piss-poor attempt at drama that SAO had and WHOOP-DE-FUCKING-DOO, the same exact attempt at piss-poor drama /rant nosediving anime is nosediving |
CatastrophicFeb 9, 2014 8:39 PM
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| I totally just remembered, when Shiroe was talking to that famous mage, didnt the mage say revival was possible for both People of the Land and Adventurers?? |
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Old_Raven said: I totally just remembered, when Shiroe was talking to that famous mage, didnt the mage say revival was possible for both People of the Land and Adventurers?? Yes* |
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| Woah Rusty is pretty badass on the field :o Them Rudy feels, only bad thing was that we've seen it coming since episode 1 do to the spoiler in the OP >,> Although it didn't give away that he was a People of the Land until the episode where Isuzu couldn't add him to her friend list. |
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| 5/5 The prelude warmed slightly, the battle heats up instead! XD Just a fight with bows with twist at the end, I did not expected, I thought I had been thinking of something less obvious, but in the end Rudy was an inhabitant of the earth. Now after the promo, the wait is even more nerve-wracking! ^ ^ " Except the drawings are exceptional, the rest is of a decent, good job of Satelight. Plot and narrative very substantial, very good OST. |
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| Krusty was badass this episode, loved watching him fight. i don't know what they were thinking though about putting that supposed Rudy death scene in the opening. Hope Rudy doesn't die |
| Really hope Rudy doesn't doesn't die, love his character. But can't believe I didn't figure it out before, it seems so obvious now! |
| FINALLY a good ep with tons of action :'D rudy tho ;_; i really hope he survives ;___; srsly tho, this was such a step up from all the explanation :) now if only hunter x hunter could learn something from this lol |
| Man, I kept telling myself it wasn't gonna happen, but dammit it did... of course the rain and all should've given it away too, but I just wanted to believe that he'd live. Tears were definitely shed this day. I actually just had a thought that maybe if he does survive (which the preview seemed to spoil that he does)... maybe he'll become one of those legendary NPC heroes they keep talking about. kamijoan said: Well, they didn't explain it yet... but I'm pretty sure NPCs can all use magic and all... the commands part is probably a ruse. It's probably more like how all NPCs have a title, and perhaps he is a Sorcerer class NPC. Or maybe it goes with how they said People of the Land can now think for themselves and choose their own actions, so perhaps they're also able to level up and learn new skills as well.Sooooooo..... how does he even use magic and commands? XD Any NPC can just appear and be a one-death-adventurer? |
keboduduk said: xchee said: edit_ Found the bit about the last 5 episodes: >>Are you pleased with how the anime is adapting your work? Is there anything that was skipped or changed that you don't like? That's difficult. The anime is satisfying as an anime production. The VAs' acting is splendid. Shiroe, Naotsugu, Akatsuki, Nyanta, Serara, Krusty(?), Isuzu, and Rundelhaus(?) are especially good. And I have to restrain myself in front of one of the seiyuu. I'm one of her fans after all. Please look forward to the last five episodes My guess is , i think she is VA for nureha/kanami . But...who is she , no idea Kanami have already her VA, Inoue Marina, soooo Its possible it would appear Nureha, Inctis, or Rieze, that 3 girls |
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majiloveanime said: I actually hate the fact that Minori is copying Shiroe... Same. This is why I hated Kise from KnB because he kept on copying other people's moves. I hate copycats, they got no originality. I can't believe Minori went from a notebook to Shiroe's full-control encounter that quick... She needs to start doing her own thing instead of chasing after Shiroe. She is friggin' annoying and her character design is fug. |
| No RUDYYYY ;-; |
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| Amazing episode. Rudy noooooooooooo :( |
annettefelice said: Her personality and goals also become part of her motivation to gain control in battle. She has Tohya, who bounded to a wheelchair and she wants to support him (in the novel, Minori blaming herself for almost everything because she can't do more to support Tohya and relieving their parent's burden. She played elder tales because her brother and want to accompany him in his adventure). Minori has a great sense of responsibility as the elder sister and if something goes wrong, she'll blame herself. Heck, when she got enslaved by Hamelin, she still blaming herself for her lack of knowledge about the game and because she is a beginner, she doesn't have any worth to be saved. When she was going all "I'm powerless, I shouldn't be saved" during that Hamelin arc, I thought "this is just a kid getting too emotional, can't be helped." I didn't think she was carrying that much burden. Definitely provided insight on Minor's thought process, thank you. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| Rudy! He was so awesome this episode. Krusty is a beast. He was killing the goblins like it was nothing and smiled while doing it. |
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annettefelice said: Great analysis of Minori's character. What's all the hate on her about? She's working hard and growing quickly. Yes, she's using Shiroe as an example, but he's the best teacher she has atm. Can't wait to see how she starts developing her own battle style once she masters his.Rudy was lovely. Everything to say about him has already been said, though, so I won't be commenting on him. I'm very curious to how they will revive him. The wait for the next episode is almost as unnerving as waiting for a Skip Beat chapter. It's driving me to the edge! >w< |
| These faces are so cute that I might just leave them here (#`Д´)´∀`)･ω･) ﾟДﾟ)ﾟ∀ﾟ)･∀･)￣ｰ￣)´_ゝ`) |
| Finally that bit from the OP happens. Looks like Rudy will be fine. The next episode preview completely spoils it. Best episode they've had in a while. |
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| Nice episode. |
| Can't say that wasn't obvious enough. I don't exactly dislike these kids, but thought the story could focus on the experienced players more. :/ |
Tachii said: Can't say that wasn't obvious enough. I don't exactly dislike these kids, but thought the story could focus on the experienced players more. :/ yea i agree. Too much spotlight on the supporting cast :\ |
| So I marathoned this anime in the past 2-3 days and I have to say that it's amazing. Shiroe is an awesome main character and I say it as a person who usually dislikes MCs. I think all characters are really well written and I also really liked how Rudy wasn't a stereotype even though it looked that way. Although the whole deal with him was very predictable and it's sort of weird that no one has realised it before. I mean, if no one else then Minori must have. Also, weren't his stats shown too? I remember Tohya looking at his level. Another thing I like a lot is the slow and realistic development of relationships. Many anime hurry in this department but this does it slowly and so creates enough time for more insight into characters' way of thinking. My only problem with this anime is Minori. -_- Seriously, I can't stand her. If I were in a party with her, I'd spend majority of my time yelling at her for being useless. I'm not talking about her few moments of clarity when she's acting like a proper tactician but so many times she was just staring instead of acting or fighting instead of watching the battlefield... At first I hated her because I have people with attitude "I can't save myself but I won't even try or ask for help because I don't deserve it so hear me whine.". Then I hated her even more for her attitude "I think know what to do but doing nothing is better so I'd rather go with no plan than a bad one.". I began liking her when she finally spoke up and did something. She was really cool and I thought her character learned from her mistakes. But no, what does she do when things get bad? Jumps right into the middle. I can't even describe how much I facepalmed at that scene. She went basically back to who she was in the first day of dungeon. And then when it got even worse, instead of doing SOMETHING she just stood there staring and crying. OMG! I prefer tanking in MMORPGs but I did play support a few times and this is the worst a supporter can do. ANYTHING is better than doing nothing or fighting physically (and I've actually played a hybrid supporter). When you support you support regardless how bad stuff gets because even a single heal spell can win a battle. Her copying Shiroe is understandable and I think she did it well but she needs to listen to her own advice. I like rest of the kids, they add a very interesting POV and side plot. In other words, great anime but I can't stand Minori at all. |
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annettefelice said: My opinion : it's the anime who made her whine as a way to explain the situation. She really think that she didn't deserved to be saved because at that time, she can only become a burden to the others.The only experienced player in her friend list is only Shiroe. The most important thing : She know that her situation it's still better in Hamelin than roaming as a potential target for PKs. She can eat, and have friends in the same situation. That's why she hesitate to answer Shiroe's question about their condition in Hamelin. When in Hamelin, She and Tohya shared their limited knowledge (from Shiroe, when they played the game) with her friends and did their best to fulfill Hamelin's outrageous orders. Tohya is the opposite : he wants to get out, but can't do so because Minori become the hostage and can't leave the guild hall. Both of the twin hold their principles and think that Shiroe is only an acquaintance. First of all, it seems as if you cut my post into parts, responded and completely ignored the fact that I already disagreed (with reasons) to the arguments you gave. I like Tohya because he still wanted to fight for his freedom and, like you say, didn't only because of Minori. Minori on the other hand does nothing. And I don't care whether it's for greater good or to explain it to viewer (they could have done it in a different way), this is just about her as a character. She does NOTHING about it. That's my problem with her. She just does everything she's told and whines. It doesn't matter if it will have a result or not but fighting trouble is the only way how to get out of it. Maybe if they fought more kids would join and Hamelin can't chase down dozens of kids. She didn't even TRY to do anything. annettefelice said: You completely missed my point. I mentioned in the very same post that I hated it when she joined the battle. Her job isn't to stare nor it is to fight. Her job is to calculate, support and focus on battlefield. Wasting time by crying that her brother might die when SHE is one of the supports means she's a VERY bad support and even worse tactician.My opinion : It's her job as the field monitor + operator to watch the battlefield, so her party can put more focus to their job. She only join the fray when things get really bad or covering the others. Remember that she's suck at healing, not a good DPS, lower leveled than her party, and her build at the moment is mainly for supporting purpose. If we compared to Krusty's blitz group, Minori's position is the same as Takayama Misa (the woman who stayed with Lennesia). She watched the battlefield and gave information to Krusty. annettefelice said: My opinion : It's her personality. She's a very reserved person and can't express her feelings in a good way. She can be very blunt when executing her plan (She made Rudy mad in episode 15 because of her initial reasoning). That's why Tohya always covering it for her. I can see that some people may be annoyed by her attitude. But at first, she didn't fully understand about the info dump from Shiroe and can't find a way to talk (without hurting the others or sounding too bossy) about it with her friends (Tohya+Rudy are leeroy jenkins, Isuzu was busy with her own inner analysis about her party members *not shown in anime*). I don't like her personality, your point? This isn't about being reserved. I usually never even write in chats unless necessary but even I know that bad idea > no idea. Because even bad idea can have a good result while no idea can't because it just means people will run around in chaos. They were there for several days until she was finally able to say something... Rudy could have died for real. It doesn't matter that she didn't know, what matters that she could have saved them about 5 days. That's quite a lot, don't you think? annettefelice said: my opinion: Remember that her class is Kannagi. She can be an off-tank with her barrier. She used her emergency spell (with 24H of cool down) to create barrier for her party. With her barrier, she can take more damage and take the front line to buy time for Rudy's DPS. The barrier can absorb certain amount of damage with a time limit and she must use it wisely to avoid more damage. If she choose to go offensive with a katana, It'll burn her MP faster and she can't do anything to support the others. In the novel, Minori kept tanking even after the barrier dissapeared, and she got wounded.. full of mud and blood. Same with Tohya. She can't heal Tohya because she was too occupied in the front line and Serara was busy stalling one of the direwolf. She can monitor her party status again after Rudy annihilated the goblins. Again, you completely ignored the whole post and focused only on one part. I'll explain it this way because I was in a similar situation like her a few times. In FlyFF (mostly dead now) you have an AoE support class. Which means that survivability is quite high so it's possible to tank with the right buffs and build. I played this class as a solo/support so I had hybrid build. In a party I was doing just support because doing both means very fast death for all party members. Why? Simple reason. If there are monsters that can kill a hybrid support then they can kill anyone in the party. If the support dies, everyone else either dies too or has to wait for the rest to return from revival spot. Waste of time in both cases. Now, from PoV of a tank (with different class), there's nothing more annoying than a support who thinks they can do my job. Why? If they actually do aggro some monsters and survive, rest of the party is without a support, any rouge/irregular aggros have a high chance of killing party members and party members have no idea what to attack, not to mention tank is slowly but surely dying. In Minori's case this is both better and worse because she isn't the only support there. BUT she's the only tactician and she learned before how this role can change the coure of the battle. Yet she still ignored this and began fighting. annettefelice said: it's the biggest downside of full control encounter. Minori knew that even if she and Serara stacks all of their healing spells and barriers, Tohya will die no matter what. The damage input were to high for them to match. Minori didn't have experience and skills to turn the situation to the better, that's why she got petrified for a moment. It's already a losing battle and Rudy's heroic sacrifice saved them all. Again, same problem as before. She does nothing and whines because she thinks she can't do anything. I've been in bunch of battles where a single heal/buff saved someone that seeing her just stand there made me want to hit her. They're not supposed to win, they're supposed to stall long enough for reinforcements to come. The problem isn't that she didn't know what to do. She was supposed to keep doing what she started (tactician/support) instead of doing everything else. The problem is that she decided to do everything else. annettefelice said: She already know all of the risk of her actions, because she already calculated it based on Shiroe's teaching and her own analysis as a Kannagi. Her lack of experience and her inability to turn the losing battles are her proof as a newbie (the second point is already impossible, imo. but some people blame her for this). Like you said, she's inexperienced so how can you be so sure she knew what it will do? She was supposed to stay in her position as tactician/support. Everything went well when she did and it went awful when she stopped. Being a support and watching the battlefield can be very stressful and I get it that being there physically can make it worse but changing her role because she couldn't handle the pressure isn't about lack of experience, that's just stupidity. She knew very well how important her role is yet she still went DPS on monsters. That's not just about her, that's a betrayal to her teammates who expected her support. Holding formation is the best thing you can do in MMORPG in every situation. It did happen to me that my support ignored me without telling me just to fight monsters to get more exp. They died, I died. I'm not judging her based on assumptions, I'm judging her based on her experience and my experience with MMORPGs. |
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| i swear they said in an earlier episode that there was a 30 second window or so where an adventurer could revive an NPC if they had died, kinda confused now |
"Urushibara Ruka. The mannerisms and voice of a woman... No... More feminine than any woman. But he's a guy. Taller than Mayuri, but so very thin... But he's a guy. Looks great in a miko outfit... But he's a guy. It's already twilight And yet, it's so hot. The cicadas are crying. But... He's a guy." |
| The blast looked like it was quite far away and the wolves were also very fast so it's possible it took them more than 30 seconds to get there. |
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| Minori is obviously a kid. They make dumb mistakes. They learn through trial and error. It's also one of the reasons I don't like watching stories focused on kids because I expect them to make dumb mistakes and act purely on impulse. Just about everything can drive character development. That doesn't mean I have to like it, however. At least it looks like their arc will end soon though. |
Fiskhandlaren said: The goblin invasion is quite boring i must say. Do you like war tactics? http://imgur.com/a/AkeYt |
annettefelice said: I'm very sorry if my post offended you in some way. You didn't offend me, I apologise if you think I overreacted, it wasn't my intention. I simply felt like you were a fanboy/fangirl that's unable to see mistakes in their favourite character. Now, I understand that we simply see the same situation differently. I really don't think discussing this leads anywhere. The only thing we've been doing is discussing the very same thing but feeling differently about it. If that makes sense. Even after all of your points, I still think Minori messed up just by leaving the formation and her behaviour at the camp was... not alright. Although, I understand now why you think what you think but I'm simply unable to see the situation the way you do. I see the potential in Minori and I understand that she's just a child but to me it simply doesn't matter. I judge her as a character. In my eyes her nature, her actions and her decisions are simply bad in most cases. She has a lot of learning and growing up to do and I think that's something we both agree on. |
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| A quick snippet from the translated novel regarding Minoris thought process: Credits to the translators and baka-tsuki. |
swordstriker21Feb 13, 2014 5:18 PM
igotgame911 said: I love this anime so much. Everything just continues to build and build. This is anime is good and it isnt very flashy. The battles are cool but there not one character that has the 'I win button'. Everyone works so well together and makes for such great character development! Totally agree with you... everyone have their own role. |
annettefelice said: eternaltorture said: majiloveanime said: I actually hate the fact that Minori is copying Shiroe... Same. This is why I hated Kise from KnB because he kept on copying other people's moves. I hate copycats, they got no originality. I can't believe Minori went from a notebook to Shiroe's full-control encounter that quick... She needs to start doing her own thing instead of chasing after Shiroe. She is friggin' annoying and her character design is fug. I think I'll defend Minori for a bit, the poor girl is still 14 afterall XD Shiroe taught her about full control encounter as a part of his lessons, it's not strange for Minori to understand how it works because she got the talent and she's working very hard to prove her worth to Shiroe. And imo, she understand it even faster because she is a Kannagi. Her personality and goals also become part of her motivation to gain control in battle. She has Tohya, who bounded to a wheelchair and she wants to support him (in the novel, Minori blaming herself for almost everything because she can't do more to support Tohya and relieving their parent's burden. She played elder tales because her brother and want to accompany him in his adventure). Minori has a great sense of responsibility as the elder sister and if something goes wrong, she'll blame herself. Heck, when she got enslaved by Hamelin, she still blaming herself for her lack of knowledge about the game and because she is a beginner, she doesn't have any worth to be saved. Tohya shares this point, too but he have his own point of view (a bit simpler than Minori's). After Shiroe saved her and continued his lessons, Minori idolized him. VERY MUCH. She wants to understand all of the info dumps from Shiroe and yes, she's chasing after his back literally. She has a very pessimistic way to view the world (imo, even worse than Shiroe) and wants to change it. Shiroe's teaching become her guide to do it because she doesn't have any alternative guide at the moment (yes I'm not joking). She don't know much about Elder Tale and her redeeming point is only her hard working nature. If you hate her so much, yes.. her naivete in worshipping + using Shiroe's teaching eventually will become her downfall (another self blaming festival). It's her part of character development. in Shiroe's pov (It's from the next arc, so I'll put it in the spoiler) : Another reason about why Minori was able to do full control encounter is Kannagi's way of fighting. Minori can't heal as good as Serara. She relies on her barriers to protect her party. Deploying barriers need more strategic thinking, timing (barriers power compared to enemy's damage) and perfect understanding about the battlefield. She's suck at healing damage and not an effective DPS, so she compensates her weaker repertoire with Shiroe's knowledge. Her lack of experience is her main obstacle in this matter. She's already feel inferior to her party member because she is the weakest in everything *her level* (Rudy got more DPS). In the battle against goblin, she was able to memorize everything because she fought without changing her party member so she knew about their skills and limitation. She has time to train her battle management between battle so yes, she got better. tl;dr You don't need to defend Minori to me, I know people like her for a lot of reasons, I'm just one of the few who thinks she's an utter eyesore. |
| Oh hey, something happens this episode. All right. Good plot twist. Was somehow not expected that at the end. Aaaand then the preview ruined it. Good job guys. Other than that, I got my dose of "things happening" for the ep. |
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