Aylaine said: ssjokg said: It would be a problem if they were not telling other people for no reason. They'd need a reason, but I really wish they had one, or that there was an instance where more of the antagonists knew. The fights were what drove the storyline forward but they were inferior to the buildup they got usually. Having Touma dodge a few attacks for a bit then punch someone got very old very fast. Even if they discovered half way more often, that alone would make the fights more varied between the two outcomes that followed. Well now(after the AC Invasion arc)everyone in the magic side knows.In AC As for his power,it would be great if he could use the power within his right arm but that would require having his right arm cut from his body...in every battle. And about Misaki.The arc right after the Sister's arc in the manga is about her.Just wait for Railgun 3. |
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Fundog said: Minagatachi said: Fundog said: Please name some Naruto ones. Haven't seen DBZ since I was a kid so no point in going into anything about that, I can honestly remember crap all about it.Minagatachi said: Reading through this thread made me learn something; hardly anyone actually knows what a plothole is. I've also noticed a lot of people are saying "Fairy Tail, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Dragonball Z" without giving a valid reason on why they are plotholes. Guess that's what you sign up for when you start writing a popular shonen series i guess. lomain901 said: I could say the same thing about Pell. one that stands out to me was in fairy tail manga . when happy went in the air he should of got blown up . bs On topic: One thing (plothole) that sticks out to me is in Angel Beats Naruto and DBZ (the anime) have legitimate plotholes. One Piece not really, and don't watch the other two. Well, Itachi was meant to have been an ANBU at 13 before he left the village, defeated Orochimaru, caused him to leave. Yet in part 2, it says Itachi is 21 and it's been 10 years since he left. And other stuff like why Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Hokage yet is nowhere near Hashirama's league. He's shown some stuff in the latest chapter, but that also makes you wonder why he didn't try that against Orochimaru in part 1. And Tobi's OHKO move against Three Tails...never again mentioned. use spoiler dude. |
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Fundog said: Minagatachi said: Fundog said: Please name some Naruto ones. Haven't seen DBZ since I was a kid so no point in going into anything about that, I can honestly remember crap all about it.Minagatachi said: Reading through this thread made me learn something; hardly anyone actually knows what a plothole is. I've also noticed a lot of people are saying "Fairy Tail, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Dragonball Z" without giving a valid reason on why they are plotholes. Guess that's what you sign up for when you start writing a popular shonen series i guess. lomain901 said: I could say the same thing about Pell. one that stands out to me was in fairy tail manga . when happy went in the air he should of got blown up . bs On topic: One thing (plothole) that sticks out to me is in Angel Beats Naruto and DBZ (the anime) have legitimate plotholes. One Piece not really, and don't watch the other two. Well, Itachi was meant to have been an ANBU at 13 before he left the village, defeated Orochimaru, caused him to leave. Yet in part 2, it says Itachi is 21 and it's been 10 years since he left. And other stuff like why Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Hokage yet is nowhere near Hashirama's league. -Tobi vs Three Tails was filler, but even if it wasn't I don't see how this is a plothole. -The Orochimaru/Itachi thing is a plothole -Hiruzen was a weakened old man when he fought Orochimaru -We've never seen a prime Hiruzen go full-out, who's to say that he's not stronger than Hashirama? He mastered every jutsu in the village, In the anime Kabuto says that Hashirama is the strongest ninja of all time, but that's never said in the manga: http://i3.mangareader.net/naruto/515/naruto-1515992.jpg However, it IS said that Sarutobi was the strongest Hokage. From that I can conclude that Hiruzen > Hashirama. Even if Hashirama seems strong we don't have enough evidence to say that he is stronger than Sarutobi. |
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| i'm starting to wonder if people on this thread know the difference btw plothole and asspulls.....i mean just cuz ur a popular shonen does'nt mean u have plotholes. though as a fan of dbz i did realize something though it'snot that releveant and i can't remember if it's filler or in the manga,which is bardock and the saiyans breathing in space even though frieza claimed claimed saiyans can't breathe in space there's also a movie where gohan and piccolo go out to space but that was a movie (filler) |
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IntroverTurtle said: Forgetfulness said: There's also the minor inconsistency with Naruto being held back like two times but still graduated with people from his own age that are later seen as always being in the same class as him.I like how when I Google "plotholes in Naruto", a lot of it is full of shit and just "this wasn't foreshadowed" or "this powerup is stupid" I did stumble across a good find though about the timeline of Naruto with regards to Itachi and Orochimaru. It is definitely a legit inconsistency, but still probably not a plothole http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/78781-The-biggest-plot-holes-in-Naruto yeah there's the inconsistency of kakashi and his classmates |
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D0FLAMINGO said: judals said: Conveniently unseen super floaty piece of wood explained in a question corner volumes after it happened is your answer.What about Mr.3 floating? That does not really count... it's actually embarrassing a writer may actually try to cover it up that way... unless he was joking. |
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| Honestly Naruto just has way more plot convenience/asspulls/unrealistic character decisions and morals than it does plotholes. |
Kaimon237 said: Oh yeah, an asspull from Naruto Nah, that ending was great and logical. Fundog said: One Piece not really Bell. |
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judals said: D0FLAMINGO said: judals said: Conveniently unseen super floaty piece of wood explained in a question corner volumes after it happened is your answer.What about Mr.3 floating? That does not really count... it's actually embarrassing a writer may actually try to cover it up that way... unless he was joking. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_25#Volume_25.2C_Chapter_230.2C_Page_86 It's one of Oda's "plot hole? whatever, let's make something funny out of it while explaining it at the same time" stuff. No big deal. |
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D0FLAMINGO said: judals said: D0FLAMINGO said: judals said: Conveniently unseen super floaty piece of wood explained in a question corner volumes after it happened is your answer.What about Mr.3 floating? That does not really count... it's actually embarrassing a writer may actually try to cover it up that way... unless he was joking. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_25#Volume_25.2C_Chapter_230.2C_Page_86 It's one of Oda's "plot hole? whatever, let's make something funny out of it while explaining it at the same time" stuff. No big deal. How do you get this in other manga wikis? like HxH and Naruto? |
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tsudecimo said: D0FLAMINGO said: judals said: D0FLAMINGO said: judals said: Conveniently unseen super floaty piece of wood explained in a question corner volumes after it happened is your answer.What about Mr.3 floating? That does not really count... it's actually embarrassing a writer may actually try to cover it up that way... unless he was joking. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_25#Volume_25.2C_Chapter_230.2C_Page_86 It's one of Oda's "plot hole? whatever, let's make something funny out of it while explaining it at the same time" stuff. No big deal. How do you get this in other manga wikis? like HxH and Naruto? tsudecimo said: D0FLAMINGO said: judals said: D0FLAMINGO said: judals said: Conveniently unseen super floaty piece of wood explained in a question corner volumes after it happened is your answer.What about Mr.3 floating? That does not really count... it's actually embarrassing a writer may actually try to cover it up that way... unless he was joking. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_25#Volume_25.2C_Chapter_230.2C_Page_86 It's one of Oda's "plot hole? whatever, let's make something funny out of it while explaining it at the same time" stuff. No big deal. How do you get this in other manga wikis? like HxH and Naruto? What do you mean? as far as I know the HxH and Naruto mangas don't have question corners. |
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tsudecimo said: Fundog said: One Piece not really Bell. Pell. D0FLAMINGO said: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_25#Volume_25.2C_Chapter_230.2C_Page_86 It's one of Oda's "plot hole? whatever, let's make something funny out of it while explaining it at the same time" stuff. No big deal. Drawing mistake? I remember he made a mistake too in one of the chapter where Law was with the SH on their ship, a drawing mistake for their clothes. Naruto also made a mistake recently, where Minato's face was actually beside the sandaime's face statue as the fourth. |
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ToG25thBaam said: Most likely. He's made a couple of mistakes, since there's the SBS, his unlike most other mangaka's are pointed out.Drawing mistake? I remember he made a mistake too in one of the chapter where Law was with the SH on their ship, a drawing mistake for their clothes. Naruto also made a mistake recently, where Minato's face was actually beside the sandaime's face statue as the fourth. |
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| Code Geass R1 just being a stew of plot conviences and unrealistic decisions by the characters (namely Lelouch) that are utterly contradicting of the character they were/are portrayed to be. Code Geass had a lot of bs/plothole moments for me. Was still a good watch but didn't even remotely live up to the hype I'd heard about it and I came IN prepared to TRY my hardest to give it a 10 and forgive shortcomings. |
Fundog said: What did you expect? Orochimaru to call him Obito and spoil it for every single person reading the manga? And how do we even know that Orochimaru knew that Tobi = Obito? Hiruzen couldn't dominate Orochimaru because he was a frail old man, that was well-established. Again you can't act like you know how strong Sarutobi is when he has never been shown fighting at full strength, and likely never will.Minagatachi said: Fundog said: Minagatachi said: Fundog said: Please name some Naruto ones. Haven't seen DBZ since I was a kid so no point in going into anything about that, I can honestly remember crap all about it.Minagatachi said: Reading through this thread made me learn something; hardly anyone actually knows what a plothole is. I've also noticed a lot of people are saying "Fairy Tail, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Dragonball Z" without giving a valid reason on why they are plotholes. Guess that's what you sign up for when you start writing a popular shonen series i guess. lomain901 said: I could say the same thing about Pell. one that stands out to me was in fairy tail manga . when happy went in the air he should of got blown up . bs On topic: One thing (plothole) that sticks out to me is in Angel Beats Naruto and DBZ (the anime) have legitimate plotholes. One Piece not really, and don't watch the other two. Well, Itachi was meant to have been an ANBU at 13 before he left the village, defeated Orochimaru, caused him to leave. Yet in part 2, it says Itachi is 21 and it's been 10 years since he left. And other stuff like why Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Hokage yet is nowhere near Hashirama's league. -Tobi vs Three Tails was filler, but even if it wasn't I don't see how this is a plothole. -The Orochimaru/Itachi thing is a plothole -Hiruzen was a weakened old man when he fought Orochimaru -We've never seen a prime Hiruzen go full-out, who's to say that he's not stronger than Hashirama? He mastered every jutsu in the village, In the anime Kabuto says that Hashirama is the strongest ninja of all time, but that's never said in the manga: http://i3.mangareader.net/naruto/515/naruto-1515992.jpg However, it IS said that Sarutobi was the strongest Hokage. From that I can conclude that Hiruzen > Hashirama. Even if Hashirama seems strong we don't have enough evidence to say that he is stronger than Sarutobi. Naruto has very few things I'd consider plotholes. It has some asspulls, it has some crappy writing (e.g. talk no jutsu), but plotholes are rare (and when they are there they are extremely minor). |
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| One very bullshit thing about Naruto is the Element Strengths, the strength of one particular element, that is. This is how the Elemental weakness and strengths are: Fire: Strong against Wind, Weak against Water. Water: Strong against Fire, Weak against Earth. Earth: Strong against Water, Weak against Lightning. Lightning: Strong against Earth, Weak against Wind. Wind: Strong against Lightning, Weak against Fire. Look at Lightning: Strong against Earth, Weak against Wind. Why? Why is Lightning strong against Earth and not Water? That's just utter bullshit. Actually, I'll tell you why (Spoilers from now, so tread with care): |
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yhunata said: One very bullshit thing about Naruto is the Element Strengths, the strength of one particular element, that is. This is how the Elemental weakness and strengths are: Fire: Strong against Wind, Weak against Water. Water: Strong against Fire, Weak against Earth. Earth: Strong against Water, Weak against Lightning. Lightning: Strong against Earth, Weak against Wind. Wind: Strong against Lightning, Weak against Fire. Look at Lightning: Strong against Earth, Weak against Wind. Why? Why is Lightning strong against Earth and not Water? That's just utter bullshit. Actually, I'll tell you why (Spoilers from now, so tread with care): Kakashi already brought up Sasuke vs Naruto, during the element exposition in that training arc. So, it's not a coincidence. And no it wasn't made for the sake of Naruto vs Sasuke (the element attributes, were not even relevant in the two fights they had). Lighting > Earth was used a lot in other fights (i.e Sasuke vs Deidera) Naruto having a water element wouldn't make sense. They used mud walls because it's a defensive jutsu, they wanted to guard a physical attack, the elements here weren't relevant. The rubber one hold him off a little bit. The Third Raikage is more powerful than the Shinobi that were present on that battlefield, so using Earth or Wind wouldn't have made a difference. In the end he was defeated by |
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| It wasn't Kakashi, but Yamato who explained it to Naruto. To be honest, it's not really the Naruto vs Sasuke thing, but rather why is Lightning strong against Earth and not Water? It doesn't make much sense for Lightning to be stronger against Earth than with Water. That's my problem. Also, funny you mention Sasuke vs Deidara, because it's a perfect fit for this thread. Also, just for curiosity's sake, why would Naruto having a natural affinity for Water not make sense? |
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Forgetfulness said: yhunata said: I find that highly strange. Water conducts electricity but dirt doesn't.It wasn't Kakashi, but Yamato who explained it to Naruto. To be honest, it's not really the Naruto vs Sasuke thing, but rather why is Lightning strong against Earth and not Water? It doesn't make much sense for Lightning to be stronger against Earth than with Water. That's my problem. Also, funny you mention Sasuke vs Deidara, because it's a perfect fit for this thread. At least, that's what I learned from Pokemon That's the thing. Water conducts electricity, so it makes more sense for Water to be weak against Lightning than Earth. |
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Forgetfulness said: I thought the beginning of Shippuden until like 50 was bad(until after they meet Sasuke for the first time in Shippuden, with the first 20 episodes or so were really bad) and then it was good until at least the war. It's pretty slow in the war so I'm not too sure about how much I like it yet.Yagami22 said: Eh, I thought Naruto Shippuden's quality went down once Ah,Naruto Shipuuden is overall a good series.Im currently watching episode 142 and its getting better and better...but the first arc (Gaaras rescue) was lame IMO.The Elements Strengths isnt bothering me much...the only thing I hate about the Naruto series are actually the fights...they always manage to put a boring and pointless speech in the middle of every epic fight.Why do they always need to explain their moves and attacks? who the hell cares |
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Forgetfulness said: The power levels haven't bothered me yet, though we haven't had much all out destruction fights since the start of the war. It's been mostly small skirmishes. I personally liked the fights from the middle the most, from like Hidan and Kakuzu to Sasuke and Danzo.IntroverTurtle said: I mean, I still enjoy Naruto Shippuden now, but it feels like the power levels are getting way too high.Forgetfulness said: I thought the beginning of Shippuden until like 50 was bad(until after they meet Sasuke for the first time in Shippuden, with the first 20 episodes or so were really bad) and then it was good until at least the war. It's pretty slow in the war so I'm not too sure about how much I like it yet.Yagami22 said: Eh, I thought Naruto Shippuden's quality went down once Ah,Naruto Shipuuden is overall a good series.Im currently watching episode 142 and its getting better and better...but the first arc (Gaaras rescue) was lame IMO.The Elements Strengths isnt bothering me much...the only thing I hate about the Naruto series are actually the fights...they always manage to put a boring and pointless speech in the middle of every epic fight.Why do they always need to explain their moves and attacks? who the hell cares Suddenly Naruto is a lot stronger than the Hokage (in fact, he's probably stronger than most people in the universe now) and he's fighting the strongest ninja that ever lived. Just...wat Which Hokage? Tsunade? Hiruzen? I think it would be easier to be stronger than them as they are older and we haven't seen much of them in action. ToG25thBaam said: No, Naruto only went downhill after the war started. Everything before was fine. It started out very well for me, probably because I went to watch it right after I was done with the prequel, and was excited about Naruto and Sakura's growth, and every other characters. |
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yhunata said: It wasn't Kakashi, but Yamato who explained it to Naruto. To be honest, it's not really the Naruto vs Sasuke thing, but rather why is Lightning strong against Earth and not Water? It doesn't make much sense for Lightning to be stronger against Earth than with Water. That's my problem. Also, funny you mention Sasuke vs Deidara, because it's a perfect fit for this thread. Also, just for curiosity's sake, why would Naruto having a natural affinity for Water not make sense? Looks like you didn't read what I wrote carefully. I meant that Kakashi was the one who brought up Sasuke vs Naruto and their elements (telling Naruto that if he is able to add wind into his Rasengan it would beat Sasuke's lighting Chidori, and Naruto wind element is weak against Sasuke's fire). I was trying to tell you that the show already brought it up and you didn't discover it or something like that. I dunno, I thought at the time that it was weird that lighting was strong against earth but it didn't really bother me and since it was relevant to some fights, I don't think it's much of a problem. You mean that asspull at the end? that fight was great though, the elements strength and weaknesses were put to good use. It was a good strategic fight and I don't think the asspull in the end ruined it, could have been better without it though. That was the purpose, it was a defensive tactic, nothing more and nothing less. He would have went through them even without adding the lighting element to his attack. Other elements don't have a defensive wall unless I'm forgetting something. Because Rasengan + Water doesn't really make sense and I can't really picture Naruto of all the characters using the water element. Also it wouldn't make sense for the leaf village to have people with water as a natural element affinity, it's part of the Land of Fire after all. I think Kakashi or Yamoto told Naruto that Wind is the second most common natural element after Fire in the leaf village. |
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| This seems as pointless as the other posts about this but Naruto never went downhill. The beginning of the war arc was rough and slow though. |
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IntroverTurtle said: ToG25thBaam said: No, Naruto only went downhill after the war started. Everything before was fine. It started out very well for me, probably because I went to watch it right after I was done with the prequel, and was excited about Naruto and Sakura's growth, and every other characters. |
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Yagami22 said: ToG25thBaam said: Yagami22 said: This will probably make me look like an idiot,but I have to ask it: The following is manga spoiler ok,thanks.that was a bit confusing. It'll be explained later in the series, buy it or not depends on you though. tsudecimo said: This seems as pointless as the other posts about this but Naruto never went downhill. The beginning of the war arc was rough and slow though. The war started out fine though, it is not until later.. well.. you didn't even read the manga, so w/e. |
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tsudecimo said: No, they said wind is the rarest and the only other user was AsumaI think Kakashi or Yamoto told Naruto that Wind is the second most common natural element after Fire in the leaf village. |
JD2411 said: tsudecimo said: No, they said wind is the rarest and the only other user was AsumaI think Kakashi or Yamoto told Naruto that Wind is the second most common natural element after Fire in the leaf village. If that's true then my bad I guess. I remembered it wrong lol. ToG25thBaam said: The war started out fine though, it is not until later.. well.. you didn't even read the manga, so w/e. The war arc in the anime have been great so far. I can't really think of anything to complain about aside from minor issues. |
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tsudecimo said: Looks like you didn't read what I wrote carefully. I meant that Kakashi was the one who brought up Sasuke vs Naruto and their elements (telling Naruto that if he is able to add wind into his Rasengan it would beat Sasuke's lighting Chidori, and Naruto wind element is weak against Sasuke's fire). I was trying to tell you that the show already brought it up and you didn't discover it or something like that. I dunno, I thought at the time that it was weird that lighting was strong against earth but it didn't really bother me and since it was relevant to some fights, I don't think it's much of a problem. You mean that asspull at the end? that fight was great though, the elements strength and weaknesses were put to good use. It was a good strategic fight and I don't think the asspull in the end ruined it, could have been better without it though. That was the purpose, it was a defensive tactic, nothing more and nothing less. He would have went through them even without adding the lighting element to his attack. Other elements don't have a defensive wall unless I'm forgetting something. Because Rasengan + Water doesn't really make sense and I can't really picture Naruto of all the characters using the water element. Also it wouldn't make sense for the leaf village to have people with water as a natural element affinity, it's part of the Land of Fire after all. I think Kakashi or Yamoto told Naruto that Wind is the second most common natural element after Fire in the leaf village. I wasn't talking about any sudden discoverings either, just that it seemed kinda dumb. As for the battle, yeah I'm talking about the asspull. The battle doesn't matter but the asspull fits in with this thread as perfectly as anything else. Hmm.... Rasengan+Water, eh... yeah, can't seem to think of a brilliant fit for that. Also, Wind is the rarest, with only a few to be able to use it. |
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ToG25thBaam said: IntroverTurtle said: ToG25thBaam said: No, Naruto only went downhill after the war started. Everything before was fine. It started out very well for me, probably because I went to watch it right after I was done with the prequel, and was excited about Naruto and Sakura's growth, and every other characters. |
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