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judals said: In one piece, Not really a plothole but I find it BS how they promise us some thematic stories only to solve them in simple-minded ways. But I do think, in any anime, solutions should be simple. People who try to solve the problem in a dramatic and complicated way maybe just try to look cool lol. For example, SAO, |
| LOL it's gotta be Kirito beating Heathcliff in the end of SAO. >gets to 1% health >out of nowhere, one shots him dafuq?? |
minotaurotko said: LOL it's gotta be Kirito beating Heathcliff in the end of SAO. >gets to 1% health >out of nowhere, one shots him dafuq?? Both of their HP were at a point were a single clean hit would kill them.That is why Heathcliff changed the HP in the first place. |
Willy21 said: well, in one piece [spoilers]His arm got snagged because he had to save Luffy, it happened pretty fast. Also note he scared it off -immediately- afterwards. Not to mention this happened 10 years before the start of the series, it's not unreasonable to think he powered up, especially when you look at how much stronger Luffy got in a matter of months before the timeskip. It's like people forgot Shanks clashed with Whitebeard and stopped a war just by showing up with his crew.[/spoilers] |
ssjokg said: Old_Raven said: ssjokg said: Old_Raven said: A Certain Magical Index. The plothole: THERE IS NO GODDAMN PLOT!!! ITS JUST A SERIES OF UN-FUCKING-RELATED STORIES INVOLVING THE MC!!!!! Sweet fucking hell, BLEACH was better put-together! Yes so unrelated that they started a world war because of those "unrelated events". Please try harder next time. Bleach compared to Index is a fucking circle.Always the same fucking thing. And when the fuck does that happen? I made it 21 outta 24 episodes of the 1st season and there was NOTHING like that. I mean I understand that plots have to be set up but not 7/8 of the friggin show is just damned ridiculous. No it inst ridiculous. Each arc brings new char relations not just with Touma but the organizations in the series, more info on the world and there is actual foreshadowing of a bigger plan not just the war. That you dont like how they present it or that you missed all that doesnt mean it is bad or that there is no plot. One Piece's arcs are related to each other just like Raildex's arc are.Yet nobody complains.Is it more obvious there?Is it some sort of bias I dont understand? There isnt a bias. One Piece has sub plots (alabasta arc, water 7 arc) and then it has the MAIN plot: the Will of D, the One Piece, the Void Century, the Devil Fruits, and the Ancient Weapons Poseidon, Uranus, and Pluton. Fans have been continuously teased by this main plot since the get-go. But in Index, except for that Tube Guy who doesnt care either way, there has been no mention of the "super plot", if ya will. |
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Old_Raven said: ssjokg said: Old_Raven said: ssjokg said: Old_Raven said: A Certain Magical Index. The plothole: THERE IS NO GODDAMN PLOT!!! ITS JUST A SERIES OF UN-FUCKING-RELATED STORIES INVOLVING THE MC!!!!! Sweet fucking hell, BLEACH was better put-together! Yes so unrelated that they started a world war because of those "unrelated events". Please try harder next time. Bleach compared to Index is a fucking circle.Always the same fucking thing. And when the fuck does that happen? I made it 21 outta 24 episodes of the 1st season and there was NOTHING like that. I mean I understand that plots have to be set up but not 7/8 of the friggin show is just damned ridiculous. No it inst ridiculous. Each arc brings new char relations not just with Touma but the organizations in the series, more info on the world and there is actual foreshadowing of a bigger plan not just the war. That you dont like how they present it or that you missed all that doesnt mean it is bad or that there is no plot. One Piece's arcs are related to each other just like Raildex's arc are.Yet nobody complains.Is it more obvious there?Is it some sort of bias I dont understand? There isnt a bias. One Piece has sub plots (alabasta arc, water 7 arc) and then it has the MAIN plot: the Will of D, the One Piece, the Void Century, the Devil Fruits, and the Ancient Weapons Poseidon, Uranus, and Pluton. Fans have been continuously teased by this main plot since the get-go. But in Index, except for that Tube Guy who doesnt care either way, there has been no mention of the "super plot", if ya will. And ALL those MAIN plots took 600 eps to be established. In Index it needs two seasons. Look at the bias. Not to mention that the Tube Guy cares.About Imagine Breaker.But anyway.How can I convince someone when he didnt even pay attention to the show?LIke when listing the arcs and then criticizing them for not showing things they actually showed. |
ssjokg said: And ALL those MAIN plots took 600 eps to be established. In Index it needs two seasons. Look at the bias. Not to mention that the Tube Guy cares.About Imagine Breaker.But anyway.How can I convince someone when he didnt even pay attention to the show?LIke when listing the arcs and then criticizing them for not showing things they actually showed. Ok if you can tell me theyre all connected, Ill give it a last attempt. In all honesty, I did want to like it. |
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Old_Raven said: ssjokg said: And ALL those MAIN plots took 600 eps to be established. In Index it needs two seasons. Look at the bias. Not to mention that the Tube Guy cares.About Imagine Breaker.But anyway.How can I convince someone when he didnt even pay attention to the show?LIke when listing the arcs and then criticizing them for not showing things they actually showed. Ok if you can tell me theyre all connected, Ill give it a last attempt. In all honesty, I did want to like it. I dont want you to like it.Just because you didnt like it it doesnt mean that it is bad because the plot takes while to appear, especially when you compare it to OP. I already did in the other thread.And in the post before the last. The plot kicks in faster than OP but the difference is that one of the MCs doesnt have a main goal. How are all connected: Imagine Breaker,Accelerator's powers(including the Sisters),Tube Guy, science vs magic. Yes Index is more about the goal of the bad guy than the MCs. All arcs revolve around them(Touma and Accel) and their growth for the Tube Guy's plans. |
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ssjokg said: Old_Raven said: ssjokg said: And ALL those MAIN plots took 600 eps to be established. In Index it needs two seasons. Look at the bias. Not to mention that the Tube Guy cares.About Imagine Breaker.But anyway.How can I convince someone when he didnt even pay attention to the show?LIke when listing the arcs and then criticizing them for not showing things they actually showed. Ok if you can tell me theyre all connected, Ill give it a last attempt. In all honesty, I did want to like it. I dont want you to like it.Just because you didnt like it it doesnt mean that it is bad because the plot takes while to appear, especially when you compare it to OP. I already did in the other thread.And in the post before the last. The plot kicks in faster than OP but the difference is that one of the MCs doesnt have a main goal. How are all connected: Imagine Breaker,Accelerator's powers(including the Sisters),Tube Guy, science vs magic. Yes Index is more about the goal of the bad guy than the MCs. All arcs revolve around them(Touma and Accel) and their growth for the Tube Guy's plans. Well I wasnt actually saying it was plotless because I didnt like it. I keep my preferences out of my arguments, except on morality, and stick to observations. And you were the one who brought up One Piece, not me. I do wanna be wrong about this so Im giving it another go. |
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Old_Raven said: ssjokg said: Old_Raven said: ssjokg said: And ALL those MAIN plots took 600 eps to be established. In Index it needs two seasons. Look at the bias. Not to mention that the Tube Guy cares.About Imagine Breaker.But anyway.How can I convince someone when he didnt even pay attention to the show?LIke when listing the arcs and then criticizing them for not showing things they actually showed. Ok if you can tell me theyre all connected, Ill give it a last attempt. In all honesty, I did want to like it. I dont want you to like it.Just because you didnt like it it doesnt mean that it is bad because the plot takes while to appear, especially when you compare it to OP. I already did in the other thread.And in the post before the last. The plot kicks in faster than OP but the difference is that one of the MCs doesnt have a main goal. How are all connected: Imagine Breaker,Accelerator's powers(including the Sisters),Tube Guy, science vs magic. Yes Index is more about the goal of the bad guy than the MCs. All arcs revolve around them(Touma and Accel) and their growth for the Tube Guy's plans. Well I wasnt actually saying it was plotless because I didnt like it. I keep my preferences out of my arguments, except on morality, and stick to observations. And you were the one who brought up One Piece, not me. I do wanna be wrong about this so Im giving it another go. I didnt say that you brought up OP.But you mentioned parts of the main plot that appeared WAY too late in OP.What I say is that compared to OP,Index is a lot faster.(even with all the LN animated it would have7 or 8 seasons,butchered or not.) |
| If it helps, OP main plot is already defined by the first episode/chapter, though. It's always about Luffy wants to be pirate king. |
wanderingplayboy said: If it helps, OP main plot is already defined by the first episode/chapter, though. It's always about Luffy wants to be pirate king. That is his goal and it used to be the ONE main plot.Later the plot changed into all the stuff Old Raven posted. Well it is heavily implied that finding One piece is essential to all of them. In Index(and Railgun) the MC just want a normal peaceful life,they dont have big goals. The plot is built by the MCs'(Misaka,Accel,Touma and Shiage) "adventures" that either help the main antagonists' plans come closer to fruition or be filled with flaws. If the plot has a problem(LN included) is when exactly the MCs will realize those plans.Only Accel came close to learning what is going on but he(alone at least) isnt powerful enough to do anything(be it finding details or destroying them( well actually he could destroy them in a second but that would be against his char)). |
| just everything about SAO also there are alot of butthole in every long running shounens |
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Axlicious said: just everything about SAO also there are alot of butthole in every long running shounens I've noticed very few buttholes in long running anime. I did see one the other day in Kill la Kill though. |
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| The entirety of Bleach. Ichigo discovers he's part shinigami, part hollow, part quincy, part bullshit etc. |
| Everything about SAO, being so OP with no reason at all. And what the hell with the game mechanic that person with the fastest reaction got an exclusive skill ? it's bullshit. Aylaine said: Every single fight in A Certain Magical Index where the antagonists simply didn't distract Touma while attacking him from a different direction to negate one part of his body. Or when Accelerator decided to fight him in close quarters rather then smashing him with a shipping container. I get why it happened the way it did, but it was just cringe-worthy to watch. I can chalk Accelerator up to being crazy at the time, given his ego trip, but what about everyone else?! while i agree with you that some of the battles are ridiculous, antagonists from 2 seasons of index are underestimating his Imagine Breaker too much since they didn't know anything about it. |
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Aylaine said: Every single fight in A Certain Magical Index where the antagonists simply didn't distract Touma while attacking him from a different direction to negate one part of his body. It would help them if they knew what is going on. Misaka,Accelerator,and almost every single magician in Index I & II dont know shit about IB. The Alchemist DID try to attack him from all sides but was attacking a mirage because of Styil's magic. Sherry,Vento,the magician from Index II ep1, had no way or time to attack him from another side. Agnese's attacks were out of nowhere but he manged to read her patterns.Orianna did use distractions but after fighting all 3 of them for a whole day+, she wasnt able to do much(the LN states that drawn out battles are her weakness,that is way she is a "courrier") Kanzaki and Tsuchimikado beat the shit out of him. |
wanderingplayboy said: Off screen aside, the theme was done for the sake of wish fulfillment of the punch. Typical in shonen? Sure. i just wished it was more.judals said: In one piece, Not really a plothole but I find it BS how they promise us some thematic stories only to solve them in simple-minded ways. But I do think, in any anime, solutions should be simple. People who try to solve the problem in a dramatic and complicated way maybe just try to look cool lol. For example, SAO, And one series failing at it doesnt mesn others do. OP itself felt like a moment that tried to be dramatic too at times. |
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| Campione, and it's even on the first episode *facepalm* |
| Reading through this thread made me learn something; hardly anyone actually knows what a plothole is. I've also noticed a lot of people are saying "Fairy Tail, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Dragonball Z" without giving a valid reason on why they are plotholes. Guess that's what you sign up for when you start writing a popular shonen series i guess. lomain901 said: I could say the same thing about Pell. one that stands out to me was in fairy tail manga . when happy went in the air he should of got blown up . bs On topic: One thing (plothole) that sticks out to me is in Angel Beats |
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| It's still as bad or worse than a plothole, so why not? It's also a BS moment thread. |
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foul said: Care to explain?Campione, and it's even on the first episode *facepalm* |
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NeoAnkara said: foul said: Care to explain?Campione, and it's even on the first episode *facepalm* Having seen the anime and read the LN I would say everything in those 24 mins. This is the most rushed adaptation ever.That they choose to make it in chronological order doesnt help either. |
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julyan04 said: Well you dont fight in supersonic speeds, do you?DBZ. How Nemik didn't explode within 5 minutes... How are you supposed to see them if they didnt animated it like that. |
ssjokg said: I've recently read the LN but I've already forgot about what happen on the anime so I'm asking which part of it is BS/plothole.NeoAnkara said: foul said: Care to explain?Campione, and it's even on the first episode *facepalm* Having seen the anime and read the LN I would say everything in those 24 mins. This is the most rushed adaptation ever.That they choose to make it in chronological order doesnt help either. |
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ssjokg said: julyan04 said: Well you dont fight in supersonic speeds, do you?DBZ. How Nemik didn't explode within 5 minutes... How are you supposed to see them if they didnt animated it like that. Yeah, while they're talking at an ultra fast rate. No matter how superhuman you are, I find it ridiculous to comprehend a sentence muttered within a split second. |
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julyan04 said: The same thing happen in Bleach. Supposedly Ichigo Vizard mask only last 11 second in his fight with Grimjow. But the taunting alone is much longer than that. Unless they didn't know what time really is.ssjokg said: julyan04 said: Well you dont fight in supersonic speeds, do you?DBZ. How Nemik didn't explode within 5 minutes... How are you supposed to see them if they didnt animated it like that. Yeah, while they're talking at an ultra fast rate. Yeah. No matter how superhuman you are, I find it ridiculous to comprehend a sentence muttered within a split second. |
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julyan04 said: Yet everything else in DBZ's universe arent ridiculous ?ssjokg said: julyan04 said: Well you dont fight in supersonic speeds, do you?DBZ. How Nemik didn't explode within 5 minutes... How are you supposed to see them if they didnt animated it like that. , I find it ridiculous to comprehend a sentence muttered within a split second. |
NeoAnkara said: ssjokg said: I've recently read the LN but I've already forgot about what happen on the anime so I'm asking which part of it is BS/plothole.NeoAnkara said: foul said: Care to explain?Campione, and it's even on the first episode *facepalm* Having seen the anime and read the LN I would say everything in those 24 mins. This is the most rushed adaptation ever.That they choose to make it in chronological order doesnt help either. Like I said everything.Godou is a godslayer just because,the powers arent explained in a way to make sense/not be asspull and it is so rushed that almost everything looks like BS. |
ssjokg said: julyan04 said: Yet everything else in DBZ's universe arent ridiculous ?ssjokg said: julyan04 said: Well you dont fight in supersonic speeds, do you?DBZ. How Nemik didn't explode within 5 minutes... How are you supposed to see them if they didnt animated it like that. , I find it ridiculous to comprehend a sentence muttered within a split second. Well yeah, but at least it should follow a bit of reality, right? It's not like they trained to speak and listen for those kind of sentences. They train to fight. But at this point, I find it hard to argue now with this lol. You got me XD |
NeoAnkara said: ssjokg said: I've recently read the LN but I've already forgot about what happen on the anime so I'm asking which part of it is BS/plothole.NeoAnkara said: foul said: Care to explain?Campione, and it's even on the first episode *facepalm* Having seen the anime and read the LN I would say everything in those 24 mins. This is the most rushed adaptation ever.That they choose to make it in chronological order doesnt help either. The anime mentions that if Godou used the power stored inside the tablet(The golden stallion) his body wouldn't be able to handle it and he would die. But he uses it anyway. In the LN he indeed uses the golden stallion to achieve mutual defeat against Verethragna, but since he absorbs Verethragna authority he is capable of resurrection by using the ram incarnation. However in the anime after he uses the tablet he didn't die. Not only that he uses it again to steal the warrior form and uses it to kill Verethragna, hence another plothole since the Sword cannot be used to kill but only to seal. It's BS on top of BS. |
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Kaimon237 said: Agreed, that was a massive asspull. Though it does have a lot of significance in the later arcs, particular right now in the manga. Oh yeah, an asspull from Naruto Another asspull was Izanami, |
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Aylaine said: This is true. Many antagonists didn't know about the ability, but quite a few did but still fought like they did. Adding Toumas generic speeches about illusion breaking to the mix, and you get some pretty bad fights. Well, actually 'break the illusion' stuffs are some kind of pun to his own power which also known as Illusion Killer. His speeches are way too much sometimes but for me it's kinda fun to watch. Aylaine said: That's true. They didn't, but you'd think that they could have told their comrades/allies or figured it out. The fact that the series sort of relied on this 'they wont find out' mentality is one of the main reasons I disliked Index so greatly. It gave me the impression that they dumbed down the characters to account for Imagine Breaker. but thanks to those 'dumbed down characters', now the high-level baddies knew that IB is dangerous for them so that kind of mentality you described wouldn't work anymore, which is why the next season of Index will be very different from I & II. |
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Aylaine said: If they do make a season 3, then they're going to start with the prelude to WW3, so yeah things would be "mixed up"Hakuryuukou said: but thanks to those 'dumbed down characters', now the high-level baddies knew that IB is dangerous for them so that kind of mentality you described wouldn't work anymore, which is why the next season of Index will be very different from I & II. Yeah. It did need to start somewhere, but the way it went about developing just didn't feel enjoyable to me. I was much more entertained with Accelerator's episodes then anything with Touma in it. Though, if Index is getting another season then hopefully they mix things up more with that then. If it's even a bit like Railgun S, I should be able to enjoy it. |
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Fundog said: Please name some Naruto ones. Haven't seen DBZ since I was a kid so no point in going into anything about that, I can honestly remember crap all about it.Minagatachi said: Reading through this thread made me learn something; hardly anyone actually knows what a plothole is. I've also noticed a lot of people are saying "Fairy Tail, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Dragonball Z" without giving a valid reason on why they are plotholes. Guess that's what you sign up for when you start writing a popular shonen series i guess. lomain901 said: I could say the same thing about Pell. one that stands out to me was in fairy tail manga . when happy went in the air he should of got blown up . bs On topic: One thing (plothole) that sticks out to me is in Angel Beats Naruto and DBZ (the anime) have legitimate plotholes. One Piece not really, and don't watch the other two. |
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Forgetfulness said: There's also the minor inconsistency with Naruto being held back like two times but still graduated with people from his own age that are later seen as always being in the same class as him.I like how when I Google "plotholes in Naruto", a lot of it is full of shit and just "this wasn't foreshadowed" or "this powerup is stupid" I did stumble across a good find though about the timeline of Naruto with regards to Itachi and Orochimaru. It is definitely a legit inconsistency, but still probably not a plothole http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/78781-The-biggest-plot-holes-in-Naruto |
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Aylaine said: It would be a problem if they were not telling other people for no reason.Hakuryuukou said: while i agree with you that some of the battles are ridiculous, antagonists from 2 seasons of index are underestimating his Imagine Breaker too much since they didn't know anything about it. This is true. Many antagonists didn't know about the ability, but quite a few did but still fought like they did. Adding Toumas generic speeches about illusion breaking to the mix, and you get some pretty bad fights. ssjokg said: Aylaine said: Every single fight in A Certain Magical Index where the antagonists simply didn't distract Touma while attacking him from a different direction to negate one part of his body. It would help them if they knew what is going on. Misaka,Accelerator,and almost every single magician in Index I & II dont know shit about IB. The Alchemist DID try to attack him from all sides but was attacking a mirage because of Styil's magic. Sherry,Vento,the magician from Index II ep1, had no way or time to attack him from another side. Agnese's attacks were out of nowhere but he manged to read her patterns.Orianna did use distractions but after fighting all 3 of them for a whole day+, she wasnt able to do much(the LN states that drawn out battles are her weakness,that is way she is a "courrier") Kanzaki and Tsuchimikado beat the shit out of him. That's true. They didn't, but you'd think that they could have told their comrades/allies or figured it out. The fact that the series sort of relied on this 'they wont find out' mentality is one of the main reasons I disliked Index so greatly. It gave me the impression that they dumbed down the characters to account for Imagine Breaker. THe Alchemist had a memory alteration and was already an enemy of the Catholic Church,the Aztec magician sided with Academy City and wants, in a way, to support Touma,those from Necessarius know(well not ALL) but they arent enemies, Sherry hates the magic side more than she does the science side ,Agnese allied with Necessarius, Oriana and Lidvia were captured by Necessarius,same with the Bishop a bit later. Vento is the first magician to know about Imagine Breaker,based on rumors , but she only knows that it can dispel things.She doesnt now about the power within(not that anyone does) or of its limits. Railgun S was great, Touma included, because the director of S is good(when dealing with already existing plot,just do not let him make original shit),if Index was directed by him,half of the changes in the Accelerator fight wouldnt even be there. |
Forgetfulness said: The problem I find is that the majority of people who complain about plotholes wouldn't be complaining if:Minagatachi said: I like how when I Google "plotholes in Naruto", a lot of it is full of shit and just "this wasn't foreshadowed" or "this powerup is stupid"Fundog said: Please name some Naruto ones. Haven't seen DBZ since I was a kid so no point in going into anything about that, I can honestly remember crap all about it.Minagatachi said: Reading through this thread made me learn something; hardly anyone actually knows what a plothole is. I've also noticed a lot of people are saying "Fairy Tail, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Dragonball Z" without giving a valid reason on why they are plotholes. Guess that's what you sign up for when you start writing a popular shonen series i guess. lomain901 said: I could say the same thing about Pell. one that stands out to me was in fairy tail manga . when happy went in the air he should of got blown up . bs On topic: One thing (plothole) that sticks out to me is in Angel Beats Naruto and DBZ (the anime) have legitimate plotholes. One Piece not really, and don't watch the other two. I did stumble across a good find though about the timeline of Naruto with regards to Itachi and Orochimaru. It is definitely a legit inconsistency, but still probably not a plothole http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/78781-The-biggest-plot-holes-in-Naruto A: They knew what a plothole actually was B: If they recall vital pieces of information that disproves it as a plothole C: If they didn't assume bits of important information when there is no guarantee that what they are assuming is correct Since we're on the topic I'll use an example from Naruto (B). People screamed plothole when the Allied Forces shinobi were all able to use Earth Style. Lots of people called it a plothole when it was established years before that people aren't limited to their affinities and likewise, could use any nature type provided they know the hand seals (although it would be incredibly weak without any practice). I did the exact same thing (C) in my earlier post with Angel Beats. I assumed that dying before someone means that you should arrive in the afterlife before someone who died after you. I assumed that time flows the same as it does to us, but there is no guarantee that that is the case. |
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Aylaine said: Yeah. It did need to start somewhere, but the way it went about developing just didn't feel enjoyable to me. I was much more entertained with Accelerator's episodes then anything with Touma in it. Though, if Index is getting another season then hopefully they mix things up more with that then. If it's even a bit like Railgun S, I should be able to enjoy it. Well you can blame the director for that, adapting 14 volumes in 2 seasons was insane afterall. Just hope that the next one won't take the old director into index project again. |
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Hakuryuukou said: Lets hope that Raigun S's director does the next season(s).Since there is enough content to use for 2-4 seasons I doubt he will use any original story.Sister's arc was 15 eps(not counting the Kuroko ep)and it was amazing.In Index it was 4 and not even close to the quality of Railgun.You can say that the manga and novel are different but the new scenes that replaced Index's version and the same scenes that were in Index(the novel, since the Index anime had changes)were done way better.Aylaine said: Yeah. It did need to start somewhere, but the way it went about developing just didn't feel enjoyable to me. I was much more entertained with Accelerator's episodes then anything with Touma in it. Though, if Index is getting another season then hopefully they mix things up more with that then. If it's even a bit like Railgun S, I should be able to enjoy it. Well you can blame the director for that, adapting 14 volumes in 2 seasons was insane afterall. Just hope that the next one won't take the old director into index project again. |
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