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Feb 3, 2009 10:55 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Wow ... short break, just the way it should be. So after that finishes now they go to look for Ion to ask about Van's sword's disappearance, odds are Van isn't quite as dead as we think he is or something along the lines of that.
Feb 3, 2009 11:18 PM
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It was alright, the Boss Fight was a little terrible though. And I'm not looking forward to the contents of next week's episode. ;___;
Feb 3, 2009 11:23 PM
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That was... kind of anti-climatic.
Feb 4, 2009 3:28 AM
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I didn't play the game, but seeing how things are going, I bet that a Van's replica will appear XD
and well, battle scenes in this anime are just terrible, very disappointing.
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Feb 4, 2009 12:03 PM
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i wonder if tear will say she loves luke in the anime?? :))
Feb 4, 2009 3:01 PM
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An okay episode. There was quite some development in this episode. The fighting scene was quite disappointing though.
Feb 4, 2009 4:22 PM
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Wasabi said:
That was... kind of anti-climatic.
My words exactly.. btw, the bad guy playing the organ before the big speech->fight was a bit more of a cliché than my stomach can handle
Feb 4, 2009 5:42 PM
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Wasabi said:
That was... kind of anti-climatic.


exactly what I was thinking. Van's most likely not dead thought.

PS. has anyone noticed the OP's lyrics give away most of the series lol? Each scene in the OP has a line pertaining to something that happens in the series/game.
Feb 4, 2009 8:43 PM
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6 on 1 battle wow that was really lame. Now im baffled to see the fake Luke back in the palace and not Ashe, hell i would never give up my throne, the show has some serious flaws but its entertaining somehow so whokerzzz
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Feb 5, 2009 12:11 AM

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I can't decide was it good or bad that they rushed to the second part in one episode. Usually a new part starts with a new episode... Don't know

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Feb 5, 2009 6:25 AM

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I agree, it felt a little awkward getting exposition like that in the middle of an episode.
Feb 5, 2009 1:12 PM

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Hmm hmm...I liked that they showed more images of Van when he was younger. It was weird having the party NOT regroup together before they went to see Van like in the game. Although Guy's dramatic enterance made the change worth it.

The Absorption Gate is the WORST place ever =___= It's so huge...and there's too many spiraling ramps..I hated that place.

Though the scene where Van stuck his sword in the ground and fell back looked identicle to the game's cut scene o_O Most especially when he fell..I thought they just like cut that and pasted it into the episode for a minute.

Feb 5, 2009 4:59 PM
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FAIL!!!!

I cant't believe (yet can believe) they rushed through the Absorption Gate and Van so quickly. Also, they never gave any indication that Luke had been home for ONE WHOLE MONTH...

Someone just realized they slated too few episodes....seriously, how are they going to finish in ten episodes.

Still, can't wait for next week's episode. ^^
Feb 5, 2009 6:55 PM

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Oh yes. That reminds me...I wonder if they'll have time to add in Mushroom Road << It would show everyone Asch's soft side towards mommy.

Feb 6, 2009 1:41 AM

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ccnavi said:
Someone just realized they slated too few episodes....seriously, how are they going to finish in ten episodes.


Yeah, there's still a lot to go through, and I hate them racing through every bit. I want a good, long fight for once. It seemed promising at first, but now it's turned out so flat.
Feb 6, 2009 2:58 AM

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Oh yes. That reminds me...I wonder if they'll have time to add in Mushroom Road << It would show everyone Asch's soft side towards mommy.

I didn't play the game. It would be good to see the development of Asch's character this way!

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Feb 6, 2009 10:15 AM

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Wasabi said:
That was... kind of anti-climatic.

Seriously. o_O Everything is going way too fast and they dont have time to develop the characters.


Feb 6, 2009 4:58 PM
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mixtapehaven said:
ccnavi said:
Someone just realized they slated too few episodes....seriously, how are they going to finish in ten episodes.


Yeah, there's still a lot to go through, and I hate them racing through every bit. I want a good, long fight for once. It seemed promising at first, but now it's turned out so flat.

they should have slated it as a 52 episode series at least. The reason the series seems so flat is because they arent able to put the side quests in, which provided a lot of character development.
Feb 7, 2009 2:25 AM

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NoyaChan said:
Wasabi said:
That was... kind of anti-climatic.

Seriously. o_O Everything is going way too fast and they dont have time to develop the characters.


QFT

They really should have concentrated on one or two arcs of the whole story and gone more into details about the characters and their relations. If it goes on like this, the show drops down to a ranking of 7 or worse for me. ;(
Feb 7, 2009 3:20 PM

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Things just went way too fast, and the fight with Van was just rushed. I'm seriously disappointed with this episode. It tried to cover a lot of the events in the game, but ended up being rushed and lacking. Like I said from the very beginning, it's impossible to cover the whole story in 26 episodes. I expected some things to be cut out, but did it have to happen in this part?

Plus, the second part of the story starts in this episode too. It would have been better if that happened next episode instead. Still, there's a good amount of the story left, and I know the remaining 8 episodes are definitely not enough.

Btw, I doubt Mushroom Road will be added, but I would like to see that.

Feb 9, 2009 12:14 AM

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I know they had to cram many events into this episode, but they shouldn't have skimped on the boss battle like that. It was very anti-climatic and poorly done. That was also a very short break.

I haven't played the game yet, but judging by the op, it seems like Asch might be the final villain?
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I was honestly expecting something really epic during that fight, but I ended up severely disappointed.

Decent episode anyhow. I can't say I didn't enjoy it.
Feb 14, 2009 12:42 PM

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Finally, peace is obtained but something is definitely not right...



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the second part was lame
I wondered as everybody was away
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Nov 2, 2009 8:05 PM

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I don't really get the story anymore, there's so much happening in every episode that it's just isn't interesting anymore. And the only thing they are doing is traveling to a lot of different places (and there hard to keep apart).

The pace of this episode was also weird because of the short fight (I still haven't seen Luke doing any kind of special attack) and the sudden time-skip.
Jan 18, 2010 9:34 AM

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I don't really get the story anymore, there's so much happening in every episode that it's just isn't interesting anymore. And the only thing they are doing is traveling to a lot of different places (and there hard to keep apart).

The pace of this episode was also weird because of the short fight (I still haven't seen Luke doing any kind of special attack) and the sudden time-skip.


I agree.
For a non-player viewer everything is a mess. I didn't even understood how exactly they got ridden of the miasma. And suddenly everything finished and Luke spend a month home and they start a new adventure. WTF? Seriously, this is messed up. And there are so many strange names and things about this word that it's difficult to get a grasp on everything when there is such a fast pace.
This episode was especially disappointing.
I think they should have tried to put everything until now in 26 episodes instead of showing us this new adventure. Then the pace would have been logical, the time for a well made battle would have been there and they would have been able to show the necessaries scenes to make things logical(like everyone splitting up, the land landing down and Luke going home).
Sep 20, 2010 5:21 PM
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seriously, if you have not played the game, this anime is not for you, end of story. I really liked most of it, beacause I played and Toa is one of my favorite games, but they rushed too much in the anime... this episode was very boring. anyway, I hope they make better at the ending, at least.
Nov 23, 2010 7:18 PM

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That was a terrible battle. And if it truly was the end for Van, then I am very disappointed.
Aug 1, 2011 3:00 PM

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noteDhero said:
I agree, it felt a little awkward getting exposition like that in the middle of an episode.
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Things just went way too fast, and the fight with Van was just rushed. I'm seriously disappointed with this episode. It tried to cover a lot of the events in the game, but ended up being rushed and lacking. Like I said from the very beginning, it's impossible to cover the whole story in 26 episodes. I expected some things to be cut out, but did it have to happen in this part?

Plus, the second part of the story starts in this episode too. It would have been better if that happened next episode instead. Still, there's a good amount of the story left, and I know the remaining 8 episodes are definitely not enough.

Btw, I doubt Mushroom Road will be added, but I would like to see that.



I agree with Eternal_blaze on pretty much everything.

It was bad enough they they skipped over the entire two sepiroth tree's in an instance, the locations Meggiora Highlands, and Mt. Zaleho. Even though nothing much happen that was critical to the story besides the fact that they had to get to the passage rings.

The event with the 3rd sephiroth tree was supposed to be very critical and they altered and changed that in so many ways. Originally what i remember, was the 3 god generals were falling down the avalanche. I think i remember that the characters were trying to save them, i believe natalia played a part in this and holding onto them for dear life and it was unknown at that point if they survived or not. In the game you get the impression that there all dead cause they fell down the avalanche, but they altered that moment entirely in the game. When they mentioned that they think that one of the god general is still alive. it was just kind of out of order in my opinion. Because the original event that happen in the game, would give that meaning more substance. This was all last episode, i just thought i would mention it.


In this episode the scene at Keterburg was a extremely important moment in the game and many fans of the game will never forget that part of the story. Its the first time which you can actually use luke to communicate with all of the characters, in separate different scenarios that actually alter the story in some way or another. It kind of shows you what the characters are going through and what there connections are with each other. Obviously the anime only included guys and natalia's scenerio, but i would of loved to see the others.

Also if i remember right luke's speech at the end of the ketersburg scenario was much more captivating. He said something like "this is are final battle. We will stop van's ambition from coming to light and this country will be saved, i will see to it that he will not hurt anyone ever again. Or something like that. I would have to go back to the game to see it. He actually really felt like a leader during this moment. though. I couldn't help my self but grin at the mere sight of how much he has changed up to this point during the game. The fact that they completely dumped that down in the anime, pissed me off. In fact through out the whole anime series, luke's leadership qualities are kind of dumbed down a bit, from what the original games story line had intended for this character. That was what made his character one of my favorites cause watching him change and develop to point at ketersburg when he makes his final statement to save the world. Was pretty awesome and seeing all the reactions to everyone else.


As for the absorption gate scenerio, like i said in my previous post, this WAS one of the largest dungeons in the game up to this point. I am glad they decided to show how the party split up at least, so it kind of shows you how luke finally can get connected to tear again after her being in so much pain. That was a personal and evident part in the game that was important. But i absolutely hated the battle against van. Surely they could of put a little more work into the action scenes since this battle was supposed to be the climatic finale. This was indeed the fake ending that everyone refers to.

If any one didn't catch that part, don't blink lol because its actually a few months later after van fell off the gate. I still think the idea to actually put both vans battle and the next part in the story which comes months later in the same episode was just a bit awkward and very inconsistent. It would of been much better if they started the next episode, with a sub title heading. saying 1 month later or something like that.

I dont know what it is, the story in the anime is just very predictable to me. Even the fake ending was just poorly executed and it was obvious that it wasn't the end and even the fact that "the one who seizes glory, is trying to capture" that just spells "VAN IS STILL ALIVE" They really didn't put much thought in secrecy like the game did. When i was playing the game, i was always shocked to find out what happen. its been so long since ive played it though i can barely remember all the alterations. I might just play it again so i can see how much it really has changed in the anime.
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I dont know what it is, the story in the anime is just very predictable to me. Even the fake ending was just poorly executed and it was obvious that it wasn't the end and even the fact that "the one who seizes glory, is trying to capture" that just spells "VAN IS STILL ALIVE" They really didn't put much thought in secrecy like the game did. When i was playing the game, i was always shocked to find out what happen. its been so long since ive played it though i can barely remember all the alterations. I might just play it again so i can see how much it really has changed in the anime.
The game also has the "herp derp Van is alive" line too though. It's actually the stated reason Asch never returned home (the real reason being his hatred of Luke). People can miss that line easier though since it's drowned out by all the events that happen.

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Nice, time to journey to Daarth :33
Dec 27, 2014 7:22 PM

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The one month time skip with no notifications or anything. It's just too quick. It has no effect on the viewer, I didn't feel jacksh*t for anyone... Whyy!! This show had so much potential.!!

SOLID 3/5 what a waste!!
Jan 26, 2016 2:35 AM

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That was.... anti-climatic.
I was really disappointed here.. had a confused expression most of this episode.
Like.. those god generals just died like that ? That aside Van just dumped himself down ?
And the next thing we see Luke lying on the bed and its one month after. There was absolutely no sense of time.
It was like them saying 'wait' there's more behind the scenes and telling us to just neglect this so called final battle lol.
Anyway... seems like the anime adaption focus on the Luke turning kind and the humane side than becoming a true hero and leader.
That was a real roller coaster ride they did there. Kinda feel sad I didn't get to play the game. :b
Mar 26, 2016 4:40 PM

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Van got in touch with his inner Kagato with that organ playing. Cliche, maybe, but don't get me wrong, I like my villains with a bit of class. Would've been better if some good organ music was playing while Luke and Tear were walking towards Van after they got separated.

Shame about the fight, but it was still a good episode.
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I am very disappointed at how rushed and forceful this episode was. I knew that it was inevitable that some parts, major or not, would be cut off considering the number of episodes the Anime will run for, but I don't remember Van's boss fight being this anti-climatic or easy to breeze through. Even the time skip was handled poorly. This is just unfortunate.

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