| What is it with placing dense characters? They're barely any harems where the actual MC actually picks a girl, it gets annoying overtime. is it like something in Japan? I thought people here mainly hate dense character and would rather see actual romance develop between the MC and one of the girl. There are barely any harem's where someone wins, What are your thoughts on dense characters? And would you rather see more "proper" romance develop or still stick with the dense character archetype? Also, what could have been the cause of developing dense characters in harems? |
| I cannot take seriously someone who rate KamiNomi 4 talking about harem. |
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sudokia said: What is it with placing dense characters? They're barely any harems where the actual MC actually picks a girl, it gets annoying overtime. is it like something in Japan? I thought people here mainly hate dense character and would rather see actual romance develop between the MC and one of the girl. There are barely any harem's where someone wins, What are your thoughts on dense characters? And would you rather see more "proper" romance develop or still stick with the dense character archetype? Also, what could have been the cause of developing dense characters in harems? The thing is that we as the viewer cant really judge things like this. Anime are made in a way that it clearly shows the emotions of the girls, but if it were real life the MC wouldnt have a zoomed in view on the girls face to see her blushing, or to see all the emotions so clearly, nor does the MC see what the girl does in his absence and neither can he read her mind. I think I would be just as dense as them. Granted this argument doesnt work for ecchi harems where the girls are all over him, Id bone every single one of them, but in romance anime I would probably be just as helpless since youre supposed to notice the sublte hints that someone likes you and well I wouldnt get it till the girl grabs my crotch probably. |
| if you wanted a 'proper' romance why are you watching harems?? if the MC picked only one girl how mad do you think a majority of the fans would be?? they're bound to upset someone so they mostly choose to leave it ambiguous and don't pick anyone. |
NeoAnkara said: I cannot take seriously someone who rate KamiNomi 4 talking about harem. Smh. sudokia said: What is it with placing dense characters? They're barely any harems where the actual MC actually picks a girl, it gets annoying overtime. Harem at it's core is not about picking someone, that will contradicts the whole point of the harem. sudokia said: and would rather see actual romance develop between the MC and one of the girl. There are barely any harem's where someone wins If you want romance development, then you shouldn't be watching harems. sudokia said: Also, what could have been the cause of developing dense characters in harems? Main characters are dense in harem because: 1/ It can be used for comedy 2/ It keeps the romance from developing and maintains the status quo 3/ By maintaining the status quo, the harem doesn't end and the story/antics of it continues. Having said that there are some harems where the MC picks a girl at the end or he is not dense for the sake of being dense. wiki said: Harem, hāremumono (ハーレムもの?), broadly, is an ambiguously-defined subgenre of anime and manga characterized by a protagonist surrounded, usually amorously, by three or more members of the opposing sex and/or love interests. Structure Because romance is rarely the main focus of an entire series,[a] harem structure is ambiguous. The most distinguishable trait is arguably the group of girls who accompany, and in some instances cohabitate with the boy, and while intimacy is just about customary, it is never necessary; when it is present, there must be a minimum of two girls who express it. Additionally, it is not essential for there to be one exclusive boy; many can exist as long as they are given less attention or the story calls for an unusually obscure sex ratio Harem ending[edit] Some visual novels offer a "harem ending" route,[2] where the main character pursues a romantic relationship with multiple other characters simultaneously, with the consent of the other characters. In some cases, the harem ending is unavoidable.[3] Examples of harem anime include Rosario x Vampire and Princess Lover!. Example of Reverse Harem anime include Uta no Prince-sama and Brothers Conflict |
| well, this "dense" character might happen to your real life..in other word, you simply cannot understand how woman feeling, what make her angry.. seriously my past high school life i have been so dense that i didnt notice a girl likes me..i do not understand her action towards me that she fell in love with me..but not harem lol |
| How about Rito from To love ru? Man... that guy is the biggest faggot in anime ever, the only character I'd like to burn alive. |
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Jaguer91 said: How about Rito from To love ru? Man... that guy is the biggest faggot in anime ever, the only character I'd like to burn alive. He actually gets a bit more "aggressive" over the series but its still kind of weak. I like that the show is heading into a full and true harem direction tough. Women are like Pokemon, You gotta catch em all is what I say. |
Arararraragi-kun said: NeoAnkara said: I cannot take seriously someone who rate KamiNomi 4 talking about harem. Smh. sudokia said: What is it with placing dense characters? They're barely any harems where the actual MC actually picks a girl, it gets annoying overtime. Harem at it's core is not about picking someone, that will contradicts the whole point of the harem. sudokia said: and would rather see actual romance develop between the MC and one of the girl. There are barely any harem's where someone wins If you want romance development, then you shouldn't be watching harems. sudokia said: Also, what could have been the cause of developing dense characters in harems? Main characters are dense in harem because: 1/ It can be used for comedy 2/ It keeps the romance from developing and maintains the status quo 3/ By maintaining the status quo, the harem doesn't end and the story/antics of it continues. Having said that there are some harems where the MC picks a girl at the end or he is not dense for the sake of being dense. wiki said: Harem, hāremumono (ハーレムもの?), broadly, is an ambiguously-defined subgenre of anime and manga characterized by a protagonist surrounded, usually amorously, by three or more members of the opposing sex and/or love interests. Structure Because romance is rarely the main focus of an entire series,[a] harem structure is ambiguous. The most distinguishable trait is arguably the group of girls who accompany, and in some instances cohabitate with the boy, and while intimacy is just about customary, it is never necessary; when it is present, there must be a minimum of two girls who express it. Additionally, it is not essential for there to be one exclusive boy; many can exist as long as they are given less attention or the story calls for an unusually obscure sex ratio Harem ending[edit] Some visual novels offer a "harem ending" route,[2] where the main character pursues a romantic relationship with multiple other characters simultaneously, with the consent of the other characters. In some cases, the harem ending is unavoidable.[3] Examples of harem anime include Rosario x Vampire and Princess Lover!. Example of Reverse Harem anime include Uta no Prince-sama and Brothers Conflict Good post, I guess maintaining the status quo to offer a potential season 2 is sort of a clear reason why rarely anyone wins in harem. Though one of my favorite shows (and the anime that got me into anime) was zero no tsukaima, a harem where there's actually romance. That's why i tend to search for harems with romance, its just an established perception that this anime has imposed on me. But I know that I got lucky with Zero no tsukaima and probably no other anime could replicate it, but I did believe that romance was sort of a medium theme surrounding harems. Though, romantic-comedies in harems are like the romance I crave for just the funny-lighthearted nature makes me feel more absorbed to the characters, iunno, maybe i live a pretty socially awkward life, :S hence its why I'm scavaging harems + romance. I'm not feeling the "right" chemistry with slow-paced slice of life animes, thats why they're many dropped drama, romance in my anime list. Konpeitou said: if you wanted a 'proper' romance why are you watching harems?? if the MC picked only one girl how mad do you think a majority of the fans would be?? they're bound to upset someone so they mostly choose to leave it ambiguous and don't pick anyone. Never quite thought of that either, valid point there too. I guess its better to infuriate a minor segment of viewers then a commercial ones, though I really thought there were a lot more people disliking the dense archetype. |
sudokiaOct 20, 2013 4:48 AM
| Harem is about have a lot of girls slaves, actually this exist in the real world btw haha you question is contradictory, it's impossible anime harem when the MC chose any girl, it's not harem when this happen, is only a romance, btw i love To-love RU it's a perfect harem, because MC has been turned a perveted by Momo-chan this is the plot of story \o |
| Watch Love Hina, it's one of those harems with actual romance. |
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| Most harem anime series have to have dense MC guys with tons of girls chasing after him. It's a way to keep profits rolling in due to the comedy and silly drama :) If the MC is serious then the series might not be as funny (silly MC = funny). Also, if the producer make the MC the smart serious type and let him choose a girl out of all the ones going after him, fans will be outraged when their fav girl isn't selected. That will surely start flame war in the forum...it's called harem for a reason and it's not a full romance anime. Take 'IS: Infinite Stratos' for example, if Ichika (MC) is the serious bright guy and he does end up choosing a girl in the end, we will not be having a third season in this series because it's no longer harem (due to Ichika's loyalty). In saying that, yes Ichika could be serious and not choose a girl but then it will not blend in well (. HAREM = Silly Dense MC not choosing a girl > Smart MC choosing a girl |
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| Watch Shuffle!...haters... :/ |
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PrimeX said: Watch Shuffle!...haters... :/ Shuffle is like the most awful anime ever. |
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| Because Japanese people think dense people are funny. /thread |
Shiratori99 said: I'm talking about the ending.PrimeX said: Watch Shuffle!...haters... :/ Shuffle is like the most awful anime ever. |
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| Well there is a harem anime where the MC wasn't dense and reciprocated to the girls' feelings. We all know where that one *cough* 'ended' *cough* for him... |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
shattereddreamzz said: You are referring to Well there is a harem anime where the MC wasn't dense and reciprocated to the girls' feelings. We all know where that one *cough* 'ended' *cough* for him... |
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ShanaFlame said: shattereddreamzz said: You are referring to Well there is a harem anime where the MC wasn't dense and reciprocated to the girls' feelings. We all know where that one *cough* 'ended' *cough* for him... I so am :D |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
shattereddreamzz said: I'm a genius XDShanaFlame said: shattereddreamzz said: You are referring to Well there is a harem anime where the MC wasn't dense and reciprocated to the girls' feelings. We all know where that one *cough* 'ended' *cough* for him... I so am :D |
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baki502 said: sudokia said: What is it with placing dense characters? They're barely any harems where the actual MC actually picks a girl, it gets annoying overtime. is it like something in Japan? I thought people here mainly hate dense character and would rather see actual romance develop between the MC and one of the girl. There are barely any harem's where someone wins, What are your thoughts on dense characters? And would you rather see more "proper" romance develop or still stick with the dense character archetype? Also, what could have been the cause of developing dense characters in harems? The thing is that we as the viewer cant really judge things like this. Anime are made in a way that it clearly shows the emotions of the girls, but if it were real life the MC wouldnt have a zoomed in view on the girls face to see her blushing, or to see all the emotions so clearly, nor does the MC see what the girl does in his absence and neither can he read her mind. I think I would be just as dense as them. Granted this argument doesnt work for ecchi harems where the girls are all over him, Id bone every single one of them, but in romance anime I would probably be just as helpless since youre supposed to notice the sublte hints that someone likes you and well I wouldnt get it till the girl grabs my crotch probably. Baki is right for once. The Male lead doesn't see what the audience sees, so it's not obvious unless it's something like Rosario + Vampire. That and if we didn't have them, these series would be over too quickly. |
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| If the guy clues in to the fact that all these chicks like him, there are a few options he can take. 1) He chooses one of the girls and starts a relationship with her. The series either ends or becomes straight-up romance/drama with no harem trappings. See also: Clannad After Story. (Honestly, Tomoya was pretty dense about all the other girls, but I think that's just because he honestly only had eyes for Nagisa.) 2) He attempts to take advantage of his situation by ending up with all the girls. 2a) If done properly, this is the Tenchi Solution. 2b) If done badly, this can end in jealousy, tragedy, and nice boats. Ahem. 3) He walks away and rejects all of the girls. I have yet to watch an anime where this happens. |
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Dark_Chaos said: baki502 said: bla bla bla Baki is right for once as always. The Male lead doesn't see what the audience sees, so it's not obvious unless it's something like Rosario + Vampire. That and if we didn't have them, these series would be over too quickly. Fixed that for you :D. |
ona said: If the guy clues in to the fact that all these chicks like him, there are a few options he can take. 1) He chooses one of the girls and starts a relationship with her. The series either ends or becomes straight-up romance/drama with no harem trappings. See also: Clannad After Story. (Honestly, Tomoya was pretty dense about all the other girls, but I think that's just because he honestly only had eyes for Nagisa.) 2) He attempts to take advantage of his situation by ending up with all the girls. 2a) If done properly, this is the Tenchi Solution. 2b) If done badly, this can end in jealousy, tragedy, and nice boats. Ahem. 3) He walks away and rejects all of the girls. I have yet to watch an anime where this happens. Haganai |
| Obviously it's to downplay any significance the main character has in favor of showing off more than one girl. The Anime Industry said: You're not supposed to care for the protagonist, duh. We don't care, so why should you? |
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baki502 said: Dark_Chaos said: baki502 said: bla bla bla Baki is right for once as always. The Male lead doesn't see what the audience sees, so it's not obvious unless it's something like Rosario + Vampire. That and if we didn't have them, these series would be over too quickly. Fixed that for you :D. Very mature. I'm sure your mother would be proud, Baki. |
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gamer2710 said: Obviously it's to downplay any significance the main character has in favor of showing off more than one girl. The Anime Industry said: You're not supposed to care for the protagonist, duh. We don't care, so why should you? The stolen red keys persona is quite pathetic. |
Dark_Chaos said: baki502 said: Dark_Chaos said: baki502 said: bla bla bla Baki is right for once as always. The Male lead doesn't see what the audience sees, so it's not obvious unless it's something like Rosario + Vampire. That and if we didn't have them, these series would be over too quickly. Fixed that for you :D. Very mature. I'm sure your mother would be proud, Baki. Aww come on dont be so stiff, I was just having a bit of fun. |
Arararraragi-kun said: So what, it's a crime to express an honest opinion that just happens to match someone else's?gamer2710 said: Obviously it's to downplay any significance the main character has in favor of showing off more than one girl. The Anime Industry said: You're not supposed to care for the protagonist, duh. We don't care, so why should you? The stolen red keys persona is quite pathetic. That being said, dense characters are the easiest ones to use in a harem show that allows the writer to keep the "harem" aspect intact. That itself doesn't help the character in any way in my book, especially if the signs are too obvious not to see. In other words, if they have a reason for being dense given signs that are way too obvious to miss, it better be a damn good one that serves as some sort of character development. |
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| Stop taking harems so seriously, they are made to be silly. |
PrimeX said: *cough* Ichika *cough* I noticed that he even got more dense in the second season... |
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MrAwesome2011 said: Makes me wonder why I haven't dropped the show yet... Man, I'm so hypocritical.PrimeX said: *cough* Ichika *cough* I noticed that he even got more dense in the second season... |
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| Lol...... KamiNomi dropped and talking about dense harem characters. You have no idea what the 3rd season offers. |
| Most harems don't end with the main character choosing a specific girl. As others have said, that really defeats the purpose. However, there are exceptions such as Shuffle! and Clannad, but those are few and far between. If you want actual romance, I'd recommend not watching harems, but instead actual romance anime that develops around two characters. |
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gamer2710 said: MrAwesome2011 said: Makes me wonder why I haven't dropped the show yet... Man, I'm so hypocritical.PrimeX said: *cough* Ichika *cough* I noticed that he even got more dense in the second season... Well I find if you watch enough of these harems, you get used to it. Dense MCs don't even bother me anymore, as I've seen it far too many times and I expect it. |
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| Watch School Days. Quintessential harem. |
| Dense characters (Ichika) are the best This would usually follow up to an harem ending.. |
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| Because deep down, we all know that the intended audience is that dense themselves. Also keeping the show locked into an endless stalemate with barely any relationship progress allows the story to be endlessly extended until the readership gets sick of the lack of meaningful development, which as previous examples have shown, takes QUITE some time. |
| There are shows that are Harem where the MC picks a chick (-monogatari) but that would mean giving the rest of the girls ample amounts of screen-time, to where the fact that one girl won is null and void. But this also means the main character is actually really good/or likable, and the harem is all around interesting that you don't really care for romantic developments. |
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Arararraragi-kun said: NeoAnkara said: I cannot take seriously someone who rate KamiNomi 4 talking about harem. Smh. sudokia said: What is it with placing dense characters? They're barely any harems where the actual MC actually picks a girl, it gets annoying overtime. Harem at it's core is not about picking someone, that will contradicts the whole point of the harem. sudokia said: and would rather see actual romance develop between the MC and one of the girl. There are barely any harem's where someone wins If you want romance development, then you shouldn't be watching harems. sudokia said: Also, what could have been the cause of developing dense characters in harems? Main characters are dense in harem because: 1/ It can be used for comedy 2/ It keeps the romance from developing and maintains the status quo 3/ By maintaining the status quo, the harem doesn't end and the story/antics of it continues. Having said that there are some harems where the MC picks a girl at the end or he is not dense for the sake of being dense. wiki said: Harem, hāremumono (ハーレムもの?), broadly, is an ambiguously-defined subgenre of anime and manga characterized by a protagonist surrounded, usually amorously, by three or more members of the opposing sex and/or love interests. Structure Because romance is rarely the main focus of an entire series,[a] harem structure is ambiguous. The most distinguishable trait is arguably the group of girls who accompany, and in some instances cohabitate with the boy, and while intimacy is just about customary, it is never necessary; when it is present, there must be a minimum of two girls who express it. Additionally, it is not essential for there to be one exclusive boy; many can exist as long as they are given less attention or the story calls for an unusually obscure sex ratio Harem ending[edit] Some visual novels offer a "harem ending" route,[2] where the main character pursues a romantic relationship with multiple other characters simultaneously, with the consent of the other characters. In some cases, the harem ending is unavoidable.[3] Examples of harem anime include Rosario x Vampire and Princess Lover!. Example of Reverse Harem anime include Uta no Prince-sama and Brothers Conflict Destroyed. |
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| You guys are forgetting something. In real life, women won't throw themselves the way they threw themselves in an anime. Sure you may not notice their blushing in real life but if a woman throws herself to you, seducing you and even kissing you, I think there's almost no fucking way you wouldn't have noticed in real life. Jealousy is also easily noticeable in real life. That is exactly what happened to those dense harem MCs and if they can't recognize signs that even idiots should be able to recognize, then yes it is a problem. Personally there were times when I have been dense but there were also many times when I can easily tell if a girl is into me or not. If a girl repeatedly asked you out together (just the two of you) then surely even the densest person in this world would recognize it as a sign of attraction. |
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chaos86 said: You guys are forgetting something. In real life, women won't throw themselves the way they threw themselves in an anime. Sure you may not notice their blushing in real life but if a woman throws herself to you, seducing you and even kissing you, I think there's almost no fucking way you wouldn't have noticed in real life. Jealousy is also easily noticeable in real life. That is exactly what happened to those dense harem MCs and if they can't recognize signs that even idiots should be able to recognize, then yes it is a problem. Personally there were times when I have been dense but there were also many times when I can easily tell if a girl is into me or not. If a girl repeatedly asked you out together (just the two of you) then surely even the densest person in this world would recognize it as a sign of attraction. Yeah well good thing anime isn't real life. But anyways, I don't really mind dense characters in harem. It's sort of a given. |
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chaos86 said: You guys are forgetting something. In real life, women won't throw themselves the way they threw themselves in an anime. Sure you may not notice their blushing in real life but if a woman throws herself to you, seducing you and even kissing you, I think there's almost no fucking way you wouldn't have noticed in real life. Jealousy is also easily noticeable in real life. That is exactly what happened to those dense harem MCs and if they can't recognize signs that even idiots should be able to recognize, then yes it is a problem. Personally there were times when I have been dense but there were also many times when I can easily tell if a girl is into me or not. If a girl repeatedly asked you out together (just the two of you) then surely even the densest person in this world would recognize it as a sign of attraction. Im pretty sure I wouldnt, I would only get it if she a. Kisses me. b. Attempts to do something sexually (altough I wouldnt necesarily take it as love immediately but probably as just sex). c. Fucking tells me for once. |
Dark_Chaos said: Me too. I think I've become desensitised to just about every anime cliché in the book. So much so that when I was watching the Blue Exorcist DVD I bought earlier today I didn't even laugh when Rin said 'I'm gonna beat the shit out of Satan'. Not to mention I genuinely enjoyed a show where THE MAIN FUCKING VILLAIN IS SATAN AND THE LEAD CHARACTER IS HIS SON.gamer2710 said: MrAwesome2011 said: Makes me wonder why I haven't dropped the show yet... Man, I'm so hypocritical.PrimeX said: *cough* Ichika *cough* I noticed that he even got more dense in the second season... Well I find if you watch enough of these harems, you get used to it. Dense MCs don't even bother me anymore, as I've seen it far too many times and I expect it. |
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