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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Chapter 61 is out! Took awhile for it. The beginning of it wasn't too bad but towards the end it pissed me off because it looks like a setup for a certain spikey haired person to save the day. Again. Sad. Until next month. |
| HOLY SHIT!!!!!!! SHIT GOT REAL!!! Mikoto just awakened???? (She looks friggin BA in the last page!!) And seems that our TouMan to the rescue? But wouldn't that defy the Index series timeline? Also that Exterior thing is creepy...cultivating Misaki's brain and growing it O_O I found it interesting how Kihara said Mikoto was Aliesters favourite. That brings up quite a few questions. |
Barion-ZaraJul 31, 2013 3:01 PM
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| ^^^LOl at crying about Touma. Barion-Zara said: HOLY SHIT!!!!!!! SHIT GOT REAL!!! Mikoto just awakened???? (She looks friggin BA in the last page!!) And seems that our TouMan to the rescue? But wouldn't that defy the Index series timeline? Also that Exterior thing is creepy...cultivating Misaki's brain and growing it O_O I found it interesting how Kihara said Mikoto was Aliesters favourite. That brings up quite a few questions. Well they can fix it with Misaki's power or something. In the shadow of his plan.You have read Index.You know that Misaka was important for spreading the Sisters in the world aka spreading AIM fields everywhere. I wonder why the awakening is so demon like unlike the one(s) of our Favorite villain. |
Barion-Zara said: 5 things:HOLY SHIT!!!!!!! SHIT GOT REAL!!! Mikoto just awakened???? (She looks friggin BA in the last page!!) And seems that our TouMan to the rescue? But wouldn't that defy the Index series timeline? Also that Exterior thing is creepy...cultivating Misaki's brain and growing it O_O I found it interesting how Kihara said Mikoto was Aliesters favourite. That brings up quite a few questions. 1. "Awakening" isn't an official term. Anyone who's read Index should know that there isn't any mention at all of the term "awakening". It's just a fanmade term that's generally accepted now to call Accelerator's(and Kakine's if you count that) wings. 2. I wouldn't call this phenomenon that happened to Mikoto as "awakening". This was forced to her rather than getting it via a change in their Personal Reality like what Accel(and Kakine) did. This also likely operates on AIM and electricity alone so it's not the same case as Accel's wings. Index noted it to have similar properties as Telesma and Kakine says it's similar to Dark Matter. 3. Since this is related to Level Upper, this is actually much similar to Kiyama Harumi's case. The eyes are also the same. Pic for reference: 4. This doesn't conflict with the timeline. This is the second day of Daihaseisai. The fight with Oriana was yesterday. Chapter 59 noted that a bus explosion happened yesterday and that was Stiyl. This also means that Though from how Touma noted it in the prologue of vol11, the rest of Daihaseisai seemed uneventful and was just bad luck for him(running to Komoe, getting hit by Himegami, etc).Which definitely clashes in the details here because it seems like he'll be involved in here. Which brings me to my final point: 5. The end of Daihaseisai has Mikoto and Touma dancing in the campfire(With Kuroko dropkicking him later on). And Misaka hasn't shown any hints or side effects of this later on. This kind of takes away the tension of this arc even if it's something we've never seen yet. Ah well, since this is Kamachi.exe, I'll bite and see what happens. Though I expect people will be fanwanking about this nonstop. Not that they haven't when the spoilers came out. Oh well. |
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belatkuro said: Barion-Zara said: 5 things:HOLY SHIT!!!!!!! 4. This doesn't conflict with the timeline. This is the second day of Daihaseisai. The fight with Oriana was yesterday. Chapter 59 noted that a bus explosion happened yesterday and that was Stiyl. This also means that Though from how Touma noted it in the prologue of vol11, the rest of Daihaseisai seemed uneventful and was just bad luck for him(running to Komoe, getting hit by Himegami, etc).Which definitely clashes in the details here because it seems like he'll be involved in here. Which brings me to my final point: 5. The end of Daihaseisai has Mikoto and Touma dancing in the campfire(With Kuroko dropkicking him later on). And Misaka hasn't shown any hints or side effects of this later on. This kind of takes away the tension of this arc even if it's something we've never seen yet. Ah well, since this is Kamachi.exe, I'll bite and see what happens. Though I expect people will be fanwanking about this nonstop. Not that they haven't when the spoilers came out. Oh well. for 1,2,3... True...I do know that. Still couldn't help it with all the fanfic XD 4,5...Ah...that is what I meant. I know this is the day after but still Touma supposedly shouldn't be participating in any big events such as this with his condition...plus it was never mentioned again so... But well...I'm really excited to see what will happen nxt and how Kamachi is planning to do this hehe. |
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| At long last, the chapter is available in raw! wow, that chapter was awesome. Also, the "favorite" of alisteir mentioned here isn't Misaka, but obviously Aiwass. What Gensei said is that he'll use Misaka as a tool (as a "triggering explosive") in order to "awaken" the sleeping power (Aiwass) hidden in the shadow of Alisteir's main plan (accelerator). Although Aiwass' name is not mentioned here, it's clear when you read Gensei's full sentence for anyone who read at least up to the 19th Index novel that Gensei is referring to Aiwass. Using the "main item" of the first railgun arc in order to "tame" the "main item" (exterior) of the third arc, and then use Exterior to take control of the "main subject" (sisters) of the second railgun arc... While introducing in Railgun subjects which are really important in Index (Kihara, Alisteir, Aiwass...). Looks like this arc is awesome until the end. Also, stop talking about "awakening". Technically speaking no one until now has reached the level 6, not even accelerator. At best, they got their hand temporarily on an unstable part of that power. And on this, Accelerator, Kakine and now Misaka are all equal on that point. There is no need to introduce notions that were never mentioned before in Index such as "awakening", "demonic awakening" (what a joke), and partial awakening" like we've seen spreading here and there since the spoilers about this chapter hapened. we now have the confirmation that it's indeed "Exterior" that this thing should be called, and not exteria/extelia. With the appearance of the usual "kanji name" going along with almost every single english word used as a name in Index (外装代脳). I'll bet not a single person was able to predict accurately both gensei's goal and Exterior's true appearance ^^". After the surprise of Shokuhou's true goal a few chapters ago, this arc keep surprising us more and more. Really nice scenario so far. |
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| But "awakening" is a fan made term to use for that unstable state that they enter. Lets be honest here."Unstable state" sounds VERY lame compared to "awakening". While what you say about Aiwass and Aleister is correct,I cant imagine how Gensei or anyone else would know about him either as Aiwass or DRAGON.And I cant imagine Gensei causally talking about it with Aleister. |
| The problem is that after everyone started to use it, it started to get a different meaning depending on the fan you're talking with. Proof with that is that notions like half/partial/full awakening and demonic awakening started to pop up everywhere. Since awakening was supposed to point out a partial and temporary reach of the level 6 power, how can you partially (or fully) reach a partial reach? That's just stupid, and that's why I'm saying to stop using that word: the fans are starting to lose the definition that they put themselves to those words, and I witnessed several discussions about the different awakenings, which didn't have any sense because each side definitely didn't have the same definition of awakening yet they were arguing in circle without noticing where the problem was. About Gensei: who knows, he may actually knows Aiwass' name. Never underestimate the Kihara :3 |
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Zefyris said: About Gensei: who knows, he may actually knows Aiwass' name. Never underestimate the Kihara :3 Half/partial aside,demon isnt ANY different than angel "awakening" if we go by the definition of demons and angels in Raildex.They(fans) just refer to their appearance I believe.Anyway. Well I cant see a Kihara caring about something of magical nature as long as they are only focused on science.Gensei doesnt seem like Kagun who went up and learned about magic (using science) after some years(or months, who knows?)of having nothing to do with researching. Aiwass is a magic side being even if he/she can be brought into existence using science. I am not saying that it is impossible that he knew but I find it weird for him to just know about magic. |
| Another level 6 project?! That's surprising. I thought they would quit that, but I guess that Kihara's haven't. |
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| level 6 again? so it's misaka's turn after accelerator D: thats why they gave up on him.. (though i know super-touma will arrive and help her D: yes, ruining everything as always D:) |
ssjokg said: Well I cant see a Kihara caring about something of magical nature as long as they are only focused on science.Gensei doesnt seem like Kagun who went up and learned about magic (using science) after some years(or months, who knows?)of having nothing to do with researching. Aiwass is a magic side being even if he/she can be brought into existence using science. ? what are you saying? the whole point of gensei's current experience is to awaken aiwass. Why would he spend so much time doing an experiment he's not interested in? Obviously he's interested in Aiwass, since he want to awaken him. Also, another proof that he's interested in angels is how he's calling the level 6 state. Rather than saying 絶対能力 like other, he's using "天上の意思" which means "will/intention of the Heavens". For someone who isn't interested in anything that science, specifically choosing those words instead of the usual ones would be weird, don't you think? |
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3need said: No they "gave up on him" because that never was the plan to begin with.Neither is here. level 6 again? so it's misaka's turn after accelerator D: thats why they gave up on him.. (though i know super-touma will arrive and help her D: yes, ruining everything as always D:) Yes that bastard how dare he help..... ---------------------------------------- Aside from that he never mentions anything Aiwass related in the chapter,he only refers to Mikoto.How can Aiwass even awaken if Last Order isnt involved?Both during the creation of Fuse=Kazakiri and Aiwass first appearance she got in bad shape while the rest of the Sisters werent affected at all or just couldnt fight,unlike here that they appear to be in pain and fall unconscious and Misaka was absolutely fine.Yeah I get that this "virus" makes the difference somehow but Last Order was created for that reason alone(lets forget the security BS reasons they gave to fodder scientists). Yes what he says just before Misaka is "awakened",matches with what Aiwass( if you know from vol19)but how does "awakening" Misaka helps in summoning Aiwass?Even in the DRAGON arc he appeared because he wanted to not because somebody did something.Unless if that "something" is what Gensei does here but we have to see the next chapters for that. How do we know that it isnt just a choice of words based on what Aleister has said regarding SYSTEM? |
ssjokg said: Yes that bastard how dare he help..... lol i'm sick of his punches.. thanks anyway. |
3need said: Gender equality.ssjokg said: Yes that bastard how dare he help..... lol i'm sick of his punches.. thanks anyway. |
| Gensei use misaka as a tool to awaken Aiwass just like Alisteir uses Last order. Both involve using the msiaka network 's power as well as creating something close to an scientific angel (in one case, Misaka shifting to level 6, in the other case, Hyouka->Fuze) to mess up greatly the normal state of the aim dispersion field of the academy. BTW, I hope you're not using this "translation" as a base to answer me :  As the translation is incorrect. Gensei is talking to the paralyzed guy all along, and Msiaka isn't Alisteir's favorite. The correct way to translate that sentence is "Alisteir's favorite hidden in the shadow of the main plan/accelerator... How about I use this power as a triggering explosive for awakening that sleeping power? " Which means that by regrouping what he said p24,26 and 27 it becomes : "It's wonderful, right? But if we don't have any use for that gigantic power, it's nothing more than a show. What would be the most interesting way to use it? Alisteir's favorite hidden in the shadow of the main plan... How about I use this power as a triggering explosive for awakening that sleeping power? By using Misaka kun as the vessel." Main plan : accelerator. Favorite hidden in the shadow : Aiwass This power : misaka network The vessel used to contain this power and achieve the goal : Misaka. Person talked to : the blond guy (shokuhou's helper) I noticed that this translation was spreading around on another board. If you're using it to say to me that Aiwass was never referred to, no wonder. |
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Zefyris said: Yes this is the translation that I read.Do you know what groups are each of them?I dont mind waiting a couple of days for something more accurate.Gensei use misaka as a tool to awaken Aiwass just like Alisteir uses Last order. Both involve using the msiaka network 's power as well as creating something close to an scientific angel (in one case, Misaka shifting to level 6, in the other case, Hyouka->Fuze) to mess up greatly the normal state of the aim dispersion field of the academy. BTW, I hope you're not using this "translation" as a base to answer me : As the translation is incorrect. Gensei is talking to the paralyzed guy all along, and Msiaka isn't Alisteir's favorite. The correct way to translate that sentence is "Alisteir's favorite hidden in the shadow of the main plan/accelerator... How about I use this power as a triggering explosive for awakening that sleeping power? " Which means that by regrouping what he said p24,26 and 27 it becomes : "It's wonderful, right? But if we don't have any use for that gigantic power, it's nothing more than a show. What would be the most interesting way to use it? Alisteir's favorite hidden in the shadow of the main plan... How about I use this power as a triggering explosive for awakening that sleeping power? By using Misaka kun as the vessel." Main plan : accelerator. Favorite hidden in the shadow : Aiwass This power : misaka network The vessel used to contain this power and achieve the goal : Misaka. Person talked to : the blond guy (shokuhou's helper) I noticed that this translation was spreading around on another board. If you're using it to say to me that Aiwass was never referred to, no wonder. |
| I don't know about translation group, like I said in my first post, I just read it in raw here : http://raw.senmanga.com/To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun/61/1/ I didn't even know that the full chapter was available translated somewhere before someone posted on another board the image that I posted above. I don't even know where you found the translated chapter right now. What I know is that js06 is the usual translator of almost everything around raildex, so if the translation that you read isn't from him, you may want to wait for his instead. If it's from him them... Someone needs to point out that mistake to him so that he can correct it. |
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| I thought they'd revive Level 6 Plan, but wouldn't imagine Misaka in their plans... |
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| Seems like we're not going to have a cute angel like Misaka. But still with the level upper that was expected. |
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| Wow. I so did not see this coming! Misaka becoming the level 6 esper? Wow. |
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| She hasnt reached Level 6. |
Q24 said: Scientific angles arent like Lever 6.Level 6 would be more powerful than any kind of angel.Isn't scientific angel level like level 6? Ok, Misaka still don't have wings and a halo, but who knows what will happen in the next chapter. Hmm, but if you look closer isn't she more like a devil. Are these things on her head horns? Whatever, fuck 3rd season of Index anime, now I want 3rd season of Railgun ( That was a big, fat lie. I want them BOTH) Demons/Fallen Angels and Angels are the same thing in Raildex the only difference being who is ordering them around.A scientific angel's appearance doesnt matter since they have no connection with the real ones and their origins.Why she is like that?Who knows?Maybe making an esper reach that state by force makes them have a demonic appearance unlike those that did it on their own. |
Q24 said: ssjokg said: Q24 said: Scientific angles arent like Lever 6.Level 6 would be more powerful than any kind of angel.Isn't scientific angel level like level 6? Ok, Misaka still don't have wings and a halo, but who knows what will happen in the next chapter. Hmm, but if you look closer isn't she more like a devil. Are these things on her head horns? Whatever, fuck 3rd season of Index anime, now I want 3rd season of Railgun ( That was a big, fat lie. I want them BOTH) Demons/Fallen Angels and Angels are the same thing in Raildex the only difference being who is ordering them around.A scientific angel's appearance doesnt matter since they have no connection with the real ones and their origins.Why she is like that?Who knows?Maybe making an esper reach that state by force makes them have a demonic appearance unlike those that did it on their own. Maybe? Maybe not? I don't really get this all demon/fallen angel, awakening crap(fallen angel - where does that came from?). For me this yet-to-be-seen-level-6-ect. is like a point where magic and science merge into one creating something that's similar to both science and magic. Toaru Majutsu no Index series reminds me of one of the Clarke's three laws that I bumped into while reading "The Science of Discworld":"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". Or something like that. Accelerator get white wings and a halo at some point and all magic in Index universe is very science like. Two different approaches that lead to the same thing. Fallen Angels are explained in Angel Fall(!) arc and the AC Invasion arc. |
Q24 said: ssjokg said: Q24 said: ssjokg said: Q24 said: Scientific angles arent like Lever 6.Level 6 would be more powerful than any kind of angel.Isn't scientific angel level like level 6? Ok, Misaka still don't have wings and a halo, but who knows what will happen in the next chapter. Hmm, but if you look closer isn't she more like a devil. Are these things on her head horns? Whatever, fuck 3rd season of Index anime, now I want 3rd season of Railgun ( That was a big, fat lie. I want them BOTH) Demons/Fallen Angels and Angels are the same thing in Raildex the only difference being who is ordering them around.A scientific angel's appearance doesnt matter since they have no connection with the real ones and their origins.Why she is like that?Who knows?Maybe making an esper reach that state by force makes them have a demonic appearance unlike those that did it on their own. Maybe? Maybe not? I don't really get this all demon/fallen angel, awakening crap(fallen angel - where does that came from?). For me this yet-to-be-seen-level-6-ect. is like a point where magic and science merge into one creating something that's similar to both science and magic. Toaru Majutsu no Index series reminds me of one of the Clarke's three laws that I bumped into while reading "The Science of Discworld":"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". Or something like that. Accelerator get white wings and a halo at some point and all magic in Index universe is very science like. Two different approaches that lead to the same thing. Fallen Angels are explained in Angel Fall(!) arc and the AC Invasion arc. Ok, but that was real angel that literally fallen to earth not some made up name for esper with wings. Isnt this what I said two posts above? |
Q24 said: ssjokg said: Q24 said: ssjokg said: Q24 said: ssjokg said: Q24 said: Scientific angles arent like Lever 6.Level 6 would be more powerful than any kind of angel.Isn't scientific angel level like level 6? Ok, Misaka still don't have wings and a halo, but who knows what will happen in the next chapter. Hmm, but if you look closer isn't she more like a devil. Are these things on her head horns? Whatever, fuck 3rd season of Index anime, now I want 3rd season of Railgun ( That was a big, fat lie. I want them BOTH) Demons/Fallen Angels and Angels are the same thing in Raildex the only difference being who is ordering them around.A scientific angel's appearance doesnt matter since they have no connection with the real ones and their origins.Why she is like that?Who knows?Maybe making an esper reach that state by force makes them have a demonic appearance unlike those that did it on their own. Maybe? Maybe not? I don't really get this all demon/fallen angel, awakening crap(fallen angel - where does that came from?). For me this yet-to-be-seen-level-6-ect. is like a point where magic and science merge into one creating something that's similar to both science and magic. Toaru Majutsu no Index series reminds me of one of the Clarke's three laws that I bumped into while reading "The Science of Discworld":"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". Or something like that. Accelerator get white wings and a halo at some point and all magic in Index universe is very science like. Two different approaches that lead to the same thing. Fallen Angels are explained in Angel Fall(!) arc and the AC Invasion arc. Ok, but that was real angel that literally fallen to earth not some made up name for esper with wings. Isnt this what I said two posts above? Why someone started calling winged esper fallen angel? That was the question. Not if fallen angel = angel. You mean "demonic/angel awakening"?Easy fan made terms.They dont mean that they ARE Fallen Angels. |
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| That was awesome! But Mikoto was never part of the Misaka network before(I guess she has the same DNA as the sisters but...), she is immune to mind control because of her power. But I guess SCIENCE AND SCIENCE AGAIN= Mikoto can be controlled through the sister network if a powerful enough virus is sent and forced the connection from the network. |
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| HOLY SHIT: So the rumors I've read earlier were true then....and ouch, Misaki miscalculated there.... I wonder if this is really going to become true though. Misaka becoming a level 6. Wow. I didn't imagine that yet. |
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| Not this shit again.... And jesus christ here comes Hax man to the rescue. UGH! |
JustALEX said: YEs lest let Misaka save herself with her new hax powers.Not this shit again.... And jesus christ here comes Hax man to the rescue. UGH! Happy to see that your views on this havent changed one bit. |
ssjokg said: JustALEX said: YEs lest let Misaka save herself with her new hax powers.Not this shit again.... And jesus christ here comes Hax man to the rescue. UGH! Happy to see that your views on this havent changed one bit. Because in railgun,there's only Misaka and Touma as character, everyone knows that. And because rather than having an awesome struggle from other characters to save the day, having Mr Deus-Ex-Machina Touma just touch something with his hand to solve the case is definitely more appealing scenario-wise, everyone knows that. Well, Kazuma kamachi must be happy when fans think like that; this makes his life far easier after all. |
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Zefyris said: ssjokg said: JustALEX said: YEs lest let Misaka save herself with her new hax powers.Not this shit again.... And jesus christ here comes Hax man to the rescue. UGH! Happy to see that your views on this havent changed one bit. Because in railgun,there's only Misaka and Touma as character, everyone knows that. And because rather than having an awesome struggle from other characters to save the day, having Mr Deus-Ex-Machina Touma just touch something with his hand to solve the case is definitely more appealing scenario-wise, everyone knows that. Well, Kazuma kamachi must be happy when fans think like that; this makes his life far easier after all. Sorry, tell me again why it matters?Why is it such a problem if Touma saves the day?How does that make it any easier for Kamachi?And EVERY fight with Touma isnt just a touch and all is over. |
| To clarify, the problem isn't with touma in itself. The problem is with touma's power. It's rule breaking. It simplifies far too much the problems. When Touma's involved and face directly the source of the problem, you have to admit that most of the timethe major problem remaining is to get close of his opponent and throw a punch to him. This change the resolution from "finding a way to solve the problem" to a simple fight where we know the ending right away, no matter what happens in between. Yes, that's not always the case. but this become particularly true when Touma isn't the main character of said scenario. And this means that Touma is basically a walking deus ex machina in those cases. And I dislike Deus ex Machinae. especially when it's as repetitive as Touma's intervention are. That's why I wish that the author would stop making Touma appears in his story when Touma isn't the main character of the arc. This goes for Railgun as well as Index. Things like the end of the first NT volume, I do NOT want. |
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Zefyris said: To clarify, the problem isn't with touma in itself. The problem is with touma's power. It's rule breaking. It simplifies far too much the problems. When Touma's involved and face directly the source of the problem, you have to admit that most of the timethe major problem remaining is to get close of his opponent and throw a punch to him. This change the resolution from "finding a way to solve the problem" to a simple fight where we know the ending right away, no matter what happens in between. Yes, that's not always the case. but this become particularly true when Touma isn't the main character of said scenario. And this means that Touma is basically a walking deus ex machina in those cases. And I dislike Deus ex Machinae. especially when it's as repetitive as Touma's intervention are. That's why I wish that the author would stop making Touma appears in his story when Touma isn't the main character of the arc. This goes for Railgun as well as Index. Things like the end of the first NT volume, I do NOT want. Completely agree with you, Touma is the solution for every freaking solution due to his powers, however the way the plot is going so far in Railgun I don't see how it can be resolved without Touma intervening :/... Basically its going to be like the sisters arc Im guessing with Touma saving the day. |
Zefyris said: To clarify, the problem isn't with touma in itself. The problem is with touma's power. It's rule breaking. It simplifies far too much the problems. When Touma's involved and face directly the source of the problem, you have to admit that most of the timethe major problem remaining is to get close of his opponent and throw a punch to him. This change the resolution from "finding a way to solve the problem" to a simple fight where we know the ending right away, no matter what happens in between. Yes, that's not always the case. but this become particularly true when Touma isn't the main character of said scenario. And this means that Touma is basically a walking deus ex machina in those cases. And I dislike Deus ex Machinae. especially when it's as repetitive as Touma's intervention are. That's why I wish that the author would stop making Touma appears in his story when Touma isn't the main character of the arc. This goes for Railgun as well as Index. Things like the end of the first NT volume, I do NOT want. But you can have a DEM with anything if we apply it so easily.For example,Kuroko SOMEHOW learns about the situation and destroys Exterior(assuming it would help to restore the barrier the Sisters had)using her power within secs after going there.Or have Accelerator passing by and saving Misaka the same way he saved Last Order.Hell he could probably do it without even coming close to her,only using the Sister that is closest to him. NT1 wasnt a Deus ex Machina but a Diabolus ex Machina to an extent.Somehow you have Accelerator,the one that afterthe Skill Out Uprising started using the most efficient methods to kill his enemies that threaten innocents,no questions asked, somehow not dealing the final blow in order to have a chat with Shiage.The story could have ended without Touma doing anything other than appearing and greeting them. |
| I seriously don't understand why people keep making assertions that Kamijou's ability is HAX or a Deus Ex Machina (DEM). First, you have to concede that IB is his legitimate ability just like Mikoto's ability makes her the strongest electromaster in Academy City. His ability is way too restricted (ONLY the right arm) and has too many disadvantages (no benefits from magic or science;negates good luck) for it to be HAX. The ability itself is NOT a DEM but can be used like one depending on the story. The situation in NT1 WAS a DEM because he literally came out of nowhere but as was said by ssjokg, only in response to a Diabolus Ex Machina. Honestly that fight was already over and the situation was just thought up to give Kamijou a more dramatic entrance. Never in the entire series save from the prologue of Volume 1 and the climax of NT1 has his ability been used as a DEM. In the current scenario, Kamijo getting involved is NOT a DEM because his existence in the series and the current arc was well established before the current problem even appeared. Also I suggest you read up on TVTropes save you start throwing terminology around incorrectly. As for my vague prediction as to what will happen, Kamijou will use IB to do 'something' that will hinder Gensei's experiment. However, Kamijou haters should not fret as his role will not be like in the Sisters Arc where he was the hero. His role will be to deviate the flow of the conflict in the protagonist's favor. If you look at how the the Sisters Arc was set up and compare it to the current arc, it just doesn't make sense for him to do so. Of course if he does become the hero and overtakes Mikoto and Misaki, THEN you guys can make a legitimate complaint. I personally wouldn't mind Kamijo coming face to face with Kihara Gensei considering how the Kihara Family view him in New Testament. Kamijou and Mikoto tag team (protagonist dream team) against Gensei and Mitori would also be greatly appreciated...even if Kamijou would be the loose wheel if you get what I mean... |
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