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Jul 28, 2013 11:59 AM
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I was surprised to see that this topic had not been made(at least I couldn't find it when I searched "influential anime"). To make this clear, this is not just your favorite anime, and is not a listing thread. Give reasons! Don't just put "it was really popular" or "do I really need to explain". Explain its impact on the industry and how it influenced later series. To be honest, I'm not knowledgeable enough to really do this. I haven't seen all the classics, and don't know enough about the history of anime and the effect certain series had. Still I'm going to give my opinion, just take is lightly. I'm interested in the opinions of people who have seen far more anime then me and know more about this topic. Well here's my top five, and why I think they were so influential. Not in any particular order. Neon Genesis Evangelion-It came out when there really was not much variety in the mecha and super robot genre doing something completely different. It was dark, and did not hold back. It also set the groundwork for what would become some of the most popular character archetypes in anime/manga(that are still being imitated to this day). Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind(Kaze no Tani no Nausicaa)-In the 80s this film basically set the bar for how good animation could/should be. It also is pretty much the reason that Studio Ghibli was formed, which is arguably one of the most recognized and important studios in the industry. Astro Boy(Tetsuwan Atomu)- Basically the first anime to air on Japanese television and become a hit. It is also considered to be one of the original series to define the global recognized "anime look". Setting anime apart from cartoons from other countries with its original style. It also is a big part of why sci-fi remained/remains such a popular genre in anime/manga. Mobile Suit Gundam- There were other mecha and super robot anime like Macross and Mazinger Z, but I think MSG set the bar for what mecha anime could be. It was one of the earlier series to use mecha that were more suits of armor then actual robots(which has basically become the norm now). For that, and the fact it is still insanely popular and influential means it deserves a spot. Urusei Yatsura- We all know how popular moe', romantic comedies, and ecchi has become. In my opinion a lot of that is owed to this series, which seems to be one of the first series to have done a lot of the things that are oh so popular today. A loser is all of a sudden forced to marry a cute alien girl who is constantly in a skimpy bikini, while his human girlfriend becomes extremely jealous. A bunch of wacky and crude humor ensues. Sound like a show that could air next season? Yea, but it aired in 1981. I know other ones that are well worth mention, but I really want to limit it to only five(as I hope you do as well). I really should have included a shounen anime lol. Well I'm more curious as what the "experts" have to say rather then my top 5. |
Jul 28, 2013 12:09 PM
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Kimura said: inb4 DateYutaka I'm curious about his opinion on it to be honest. Although I'm not sure if he'll be able to limit himself to only five. |
Jul 28, 2013 12:31 PM
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1. Sazae-san 2. Doraemon 3. Astro Boy 4. Gundam 5. Anpanman |
Jul 28, 2013 12:33 PM
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Hoppy said: 1. Sazae-san 2. Doraemon 3. Astro Boy 4. Gundam 5. Anpanman lol |
Jul 28, 2013 12:37 PM
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Evangelion. Dragonball Z. Ghost in the shell. Cowboy Bebop. Nausicaa. are most influentia animes, in my opinioin. 8) |
Jul 28, 2013 12:42 PM
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Hoppy said: 1. Sazae-san 2. Doraemon 3. Astro Boy 4. Gundam 5. Anpanman I know all that loli hentai rots your brain, but try to at least read. EVAMAAKU14 said: Evangelion. Dragonball Z. Ghost in the shell. Cowboy Bebop. Nausicaa. are most influentia animes, in my opinioin. 8) Why!? That is why I bolded "give reasons", this is not a listing thread. It's a discussion on what anime have had the most influence on the industry. |
Jul 28, 2013 1:01 PM
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You are wasted on this forum, OP. People don't like to read apparently. Dragonball: I know this is about anime but since Dragon ball z didn't impact the anime industry as much as it did for the west, I'm gonna go with the manga. It is widely regarded as one of the greatest manga series ever made, with many manga artists such as Eiichiro Oda, Masashi Kishimoto, Tite Kubo, Hiro Mashima, praising it and acknowledging as a source of inspiration. The anime is one of the most influential in greatly boosting the popularity of Japanese animation in Western culture. Ashita no Joe: One of the very first few sports anime and almost certainly the first to revolve around boxing. It greatly influenced the sports genre. Sazae-san: Longest-running TV series ever, still running, most watched in Japan. That's as far as my knowledge in anime goes. |
Jul 28, 2013 1:02 PM
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More people should watch Urusei Yatsura... |
Jul 28, 2013 1:14 PM
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Taiyou no Ouji: Horus no Daibouken, better known in here as The little norse prince is held as one of the most influential works of anime, in the sense that it explored a different kind of storytelling, with dark and sort of fleshed-out characters and an artistic view beyond the trends that filled the industry at the time. It can also be considered the germ of Studio Ghibli and I at least find Hilda to be an early prototype of a classic Miyazaki heroine. |
Jul 28, 2013 1:23 PM
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Overall , I dont know about Japan but : Rest of the World impact>Japan , since its a few bilions against a few hundreds of milions. But overall Dragonball serie is the most influent anime . It's the anime that engaged many people into anime and made me watch more anime. Might be Death Note too , it is the most broadcasted anime on Animax few years ago and the highest ratings were reached during Death Note . All that's left of anime on TV , now, it's Lina Inverse , Naruto and some anime that I forgot it's name boadcasted on AXN Sci-fi. |
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Jul 28, 2013 1:27 PM
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BloodyNightsky said: Overall , I dont know about Japan but : Rest of the World impact>Japan , since its a few bilions against a few hundreds of milions. Dumbest thing I've read all day. |
Jul 28, 2013 1:29 PM
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I'm offended for some reason when I read "All that's left of anime on TV. now, is Lina Inverse." As if that's a bad thing. |
Jul 28, 2013 1:32 PM
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tsudecimo said: BloodyNightsky said: Overall , I dont know about Japan but : Rest of the World impact>Japan , since its a few bilions against a few hundreds of milions. Dumbest thing I've read all day. Dumbest reply I ever read . Wanna play the game? Influence is given by the numbers and sales and several other things but I'm talking about numbers . There are alot more people knowing about DB series , Naruto , One Piece , Bleach and Death Note than any of listed in this thread. |
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Jul 28, 2013 1:47 PM
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tsudecimo said: You are wasted on this forum, OP. People don't like to read apparently. Dragonball: I know this is about anime but since Dragon ball z didn't impact the anime industry as much as it did for the west, I'm gonna go with the manga. It is widely regarded as one of the greatest manga series ever made, with many manga artists such as Eiichiro Oda, Masashi Kishimoto, Tite Kubo, Hiro Mashima, praising it and acknowledging as a source of inspiration. The anime is one of the most influential in greatly boosting the popularity of Japanese animation in Western culture. Ashita no Joe: One of the very first few sports anime and almost certainly the first to revolve around boxing. It greatly influenced the sports genre. Sazae-san: Longest-running TV series ever, still running, most watched in Japan. That's as far as my knowledge in anime goes. There is also Super Campiones that was a huge boost in soccer in Japan if I believe. And Dragon Ball z inspired OP in a rather different way. Luffy was created not as inspiration from Goku, but what Oda believes of "manliness". And knowing he watched Dragon Ball as a kid... |
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Jul 28, 2013 1:53 PM
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Hunter x Hunter never gets a mention in this, many parts of the big 3 and most popular shonens nowadays are inspired by it. |
Jul 28, 2013 1:56 PM
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012yArthur0 said: And Dragon Ball z inspired OP in a rather different way. Luffy was created not as inspiration from Goku, but what Oda believes of "manliness". ![]() Haha.. |
Jul 28, 2013 2:05 PM
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Ntad said: I'm offended for some reason when I read "All that's left of anime on TV. now, is Lina Inverse." As if that's a bad thing. Talking about Lina Inverse, I know there were other before her, but in some way I feel she influenced the "anti-lady-in-disgrace" heroines. |
Jul 28, 2013 2:06 PM
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tsudecimo said: 012yArthur0 said: And Dragon Ball z inspired OP in a rather different way. Luffy was created not as inspiration from Goku, but what Oda believes of "manliness". ![]() Haha.. The hidden logic of this picture is that Goku got a harem ending... look at his sons... |
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Jul 28, 2013 8:05 PM
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HurricaneSweet said: Hunter x Hunter never gets a mention in this, many parts of the big 3 and most popular shonens nowadays are inspired by it. Can not even believe how much Naruto stole from the old HXH. One thing out of many is how to check for your "power" type. Use a leaf and open your aura/chakra gates and the effect on the leaf will reflect what type of power you have. HXH did it first. OP: HXH, DBZ and maybe death note. I think those really helped with introducing new ideas or just introducing anime to the world in general. I am sure we all watched DBZ or Death Note and got hooked. Most of us anyway. |
Jul 28, 2013 8:32 PM
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Jul 28, 2013 8:48 PM
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goh13 said: Before you make loaded statements perhaps you should do a little research, Kishimoto of Naruto has started before that he was inspired by Togashi and I think Togashi was kishis Sensei or something like. Also in case if you ever read the HxH manga you can see around the Yorkshin or Greed island arc of Sketches of Naruto by Togashi himself after each chapter. HurricaneSweet said: Hunter x Hunter never gets a mention in this, many parts of the big 3 and most popular shonens nowadays are inspired by it. Can not even believe how much Naruto stole from the old HXH. One thing out of many is how to check for your "power" type. Use a leaf and open your aura/chakra gates and the effect on the leaf will reflect what type of power you have. Another influential series would be the JoJo manga, sinde HxH has made a few JoJo references. There was a Naruto game that made a lot of JoJo references too taking their poses. |
Jul 28, 2013 9:26 PM
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This is going to be a little cliché but... Needless to say, Dragon Ball Z is just pure gold. Why? The whole originality, from the outfits to the time-mixing (dinosaurs and science-fiction ftw) and the superpowers, transformations, races, even names. I think DBZ is as original as it gets and therefore many anime can learn from it. Animation could be better but hell,it's not like animation often influences. What more, let's see. Cowboy Bebop. Extremely great character and plot development, great illustrations, great action, makes Sci-Fi look great even to people who aren't usually fond of it. Just like DBZ, pure gold and as great as it gets, only in different ways. Also one of the most stylish anime out there. Hajimme No Ippo. Another example of an anime that can take a certain "subject" and that can MAKE the viewer take interest in it. Even I personally, partly got into boxing thanks to this wonderful anime. Not only that, but the drawing style is original too. Vintage looking, which makes it even better. Overall, I'm not gonna say this anime is totally original, at least not like the previous two, but it's really a great example for anyone trying to make an anime of a separate, unpopular genre. Death Note. One of the few newer anime (is that the correct plural form?) that have truly made a revolution. It's character development surpasses other anime in quite a different way. Thing is, we know jack sh*t about almost any of the character's pasts, and apparently it doesn't really seem to matter. Attitude is everything in this anime. The way the characters interact and act seems to be everything this anime needs to stand out. It also as certain cleverness that actually blends in and makes sense unlike some other anime. *cough* Detective Conan *cough* Hellsing (Ultimate). As far as I've seen, one of the best anime that have shown true sense for kicking major ass. Alucard seems to be a role model for all anti-heroes out there. Not to mention a role model for vampires, of course. Besides that, the other characters are almost equally badass and original. Speaking of originality, where else have we seen a mix of vampires and zombies so harmoniously well blended? Besides the characters this anime as a whole should pretty much be a role model for any dark-themed anime out there. Nuff' said. Honorable mentions: One Piece, Detective Conan, Fist of the North Star, Kenichi |
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Jul 28, 2013 9:28 PM
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Jul 28, 2013 9:29 PM
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Unit-01 said: goh13 said: Before you make loaded statements perhaps you should do a little research, Kishimoto of Naruto has started before that he was inspired by Togashi and I think Togashi was kishis Sensei or something like. Also in case if you ever read the HxH manga you can see around the Yorkshin or Greed island arc of Sketches of Naruto by Togashi himself after each chapter. HurricaneSweet said: Hunter x Hunter never gets a mention in this, many parts of the big 3 and most popular shonens nowadays are inspired by it. Can not even believe how much Naruto stole from the old HXH. One thing out of many is how to check for your "power" type. Use a leaf and open your aura/chakra gates and the effect on the leaf will reflect what type of power you have. Another influential series would be the JoJo manga, sinde HxH has made a few JoJo references. There was a Naruto game that made a lot of JoJo references too taking their poses. I know Togashi helped Kishi but I feel there is a point where you start to copy other's work and stop using it as a kickstarter to your project. I am just glad HXH is getting some fame now though and that helps a lot. Not a good remake but it is better than nothing. |
Jul 28, 2013 11:09 PM
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Haruhi needs to be mentioned........... it's pretty much the series that killed anime and set it on its current path of being overran by Moe. |
Jul 28, 2013 11:32 PM
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scytheavatar said: Moe has been around for years before Haruhi and is by no means a bad thing. Plus K-On was more popularHaruhi needs to be mentioned........... it's pretty much the series that killed anime and set it on its current path of being overran by Moe. |
Jul 28, 2013 11:49 PM
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AirStyles said: Astro Boy Doraemon Dragon Ball Gundam Neon Genesis Evangelion While I don't know enough about industry trends to really offer an educated answer to the topic, this lists seems pretty reliable. |
Jul 29, 2013 12:03 AM
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Dragon Ball - Shonen Sailor Moon - Magical Girls Gundam - Mecha Tenchi Muyo! - Harem and Ecchi Evangelion - Faggot protagonists & annoying emo girls/tsunderes. |
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Jul 29, 2013 12:14 AM
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SaberRitsu said: scytheavatar said: Moe has been around for years before Haruhi and is by no means a bad thing. Plus K-On was more popularHaruhi needs to be mentioned........... it's pretty much the series that killed anime and set it on its current path of being overran by Moe. Totally agreed, man. And I think this thread's a bit biased as it is because there really is no influential anime that's gonna be set in stone unless a higher deity is going to say so, which of course is sort of hypothetical. While I can agree with OP's opinions, aren't there gonna be others that were left out and overlooked? |
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Jul 29, 2013 12:17 AM
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TinkleTinkle-Hoy said: Hoppy said: 1. Sazae-san 2. Doraemon 3. Astro Boy 4. Gundam 5. Anpanman I know all that loli hentai rots your brain, but try to at least read. EVAMAAKU14 said: Evangelion. Dragonball Z. Ghost in the shell. Cowboy Bebop. Nausicaa. are most influentia animes, in my opinioin. 8) Why!? That is why I bolded "give reasons", this is not a listing thread. It's a discussion on what anime have had the most influence on the industry. Evangelion=Did revolution to anime/mecha back in the 90's. Influenced many animes to go more psychological route. Dragon ball Z=Almost every modern day shonen was influenced by this. Ghost in the shell=Something similar to Eva. Minus the psycho thing. Cowboy bebop= Influenced to do more complex and mature story lines. Nausicaa=Something. I don't know exactly what. |
EVAMAAKU14Jul 29, 2013 12:22 AM
Jul 29, 2013 12:21 AM
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goh13 said: I know Togashi helped Kishi but I feel there is a point where you start to copy other's work and stop using it as a kickstarter to your project. I am just glad HXH is getting some fame now though and that helps a lot. Not a good remake but it is better than nothing. "copy other's work"? Where exactly in the Kage Bunshin training was a copying of HxH? The point of the training was to use as many clones as possible to get Naruto to master his Chakra Nature as soon as possible. Since Yamato was there, leaves were the best possible thing Naruto could use for his training. It actually wouldn't have made sense to use anything else in that situation. The Chakra paper was the only thing that seemed to be influenced from HxH and that exactly isn't a bad thing. |
Jul 29, 2013 12:39 AM
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Gonna agree with a lot that have already been said. DBZ, Sailor Moon, Evangelion, Gundam, ect. To be honest though, I'm surprised no one has mentioned FLCL yet. I was always under the impression that for the time it was made it was pretty groundbreaking and well received. So many animators and producers site it as a reference of influence, and I know for me personally it changed the way I thought and looked at anime. |
Jul 29, 2013 1:08 AM
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"Influential" Stopped reading there. |
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Jul 29, 2013 1:21 AM
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It's funny. I just found this list yesterday, http://www.animenation.net/blog/2001/01/16/animage-lists-most-important-anime-ever/ and now I have a context to present it. Anyway I'm not going to do a list of five, but I just want to throw out a few more shows which haven't been mentioned yet. Future Boy Conan (1978): Clearly a huge influence on shows like dragonball also it has a pretty compelling narrative for a show from the late 70's. And, it's Miyazaki's first major directorial work. Fist of the North Star (1984): did gar exist before this show? Bubblegum Crisis (1987): Totally cyberpunk even before it was cool, and it's call bubblegum for a reason; this show's voice actress j-pop is fucking top notch |
Jul 29, 2013 3:45 AM
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yhunata said: There are many things kishi stole into naruto.goh13 said: I know Togashi helped Kishi but I feel there is a point where you start to copy other's work and stop using it as a kickstarter to your project. I am just glad HXH is getting some fame now though and that helps a lot. Not a good remake but it is better than nothing. "copy other's work"? Where exactly in the Kage Bunshin training was a copying of HxH? The point of the training was to use as many clones as possible to get Naruto to master his Chakra Nature as soon as possible. Since Yamato was there, leaves were the best possible thing Naruto could use for his training. It actually wouldn't have made sense to use anything else in that situation. The Chakra paper was the only thing that seemed to be influenced from HxH and that exactly isn't a bad thing. |
Jul 29, 2013 3:59 AM
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Akira yet, since it's considered to be a landmark in Japanese animation and what pretty much introduced anime for the first time to a lot of people in the west. Some people say that every anime fan should watch it, not because of its quality, but because of the impact it had. |
Jul 29, 2013 4:20 AM
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Akira - Superb animation and revolutionary in its time, and a strong overseas distribution. Sailor Moon - I don't know if it was the first mahou shoujo ever but influenced a lot. Dragon Ball - The most well known all over the world. Evangelion - Has revolutionized the mecha genre. Gundam - Pioneer in-law. |
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Jul 29, 2013 4:20 AM
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HurricaneSweet said: yhunata said: There are many things kishi stole into naruto.goh13 said: I know Togashi helped Kishi but I feel there is a point where you start to copy other's work and stop using it as a kickstarter to your project. I am just glad HXH is getting some fame now though and that helps a lot. Not a good remake but it is better than nothing. "copy other's work"? Where exactly in the Kage Bunshin training was a copying of HxH? The point of the training was to use as many clones as possible to get Naruto to master his Chakra Nature as soon as possible. Since Yamato was there, leaves were the best possible thing Naruto could use for his training. It actually wouldn't have made sense to use anything else in that situation. The Chakra paper was the only thing that seemed to be influenced from HxH and that exactly isn't a bad thing. Do tell, then. I've read both HxH and Naruto, am up to date with both anime and I do not remember anything that was stolen. Influenced, though, I can agree with. |
Jul 29, 2013 6:30 AM
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Gunbuster yet. I haven't watched NGE but seeing how Gunbuster is older and often considered NGE's spiritual predecessor, I would consider it being more influential. Moreover, not only has it influenced NGE but also Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann which becomes rather obvious especially in Gunbuster's second half. Also, I think it was the first mecha anime having a girl as a main character - and that in a time in which female protagonists were unusual anyway. |
TacasJul 29, 2013 6:40 AM
Jul 29, 2013 6:40 AM
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Tacas said: I'm surprised nobody mentioned Gunbuster yet. I haven't watched NGE but seeing how Gunbuster is older and often considered NGE's spiritual predecessor, I would consider it being more influential. More over, not only has it influenced NGE but also Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann which becomes rather obvious especially in Gunbuster's second half. Also, I think it was the first mecha anime having a girl as a main character - and that in a time in which female protagonists were unusual anyway. Since you have not seen NGE that is kind of understandable. Gunbuster is awesome, and showed what Gainax could do(a studio that started with a group of dedicated fans). It was still pretty standard for the genre, while maybe being a bit darker. Gurren Lagann is influenced by practically every mecha and super robot anime, but I would say one of its biggest is Mazinger Z. If some of you haven't seen this, watch it. It's two openings made for a anime con in the early 80s, it was made by some fans(that you might have heard of :P). Hand drawn, and each frame taken by a normal 8mm camera. The first half is the opening they did for the third con, and then the second half is the one they did for the fifth con. Those people later went on to form Gainax. |
FintanJul 29, 2013 6:47 AM
Jul 29, 2013 7:04 AM
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yhunata said: The entire chunin penultimate phase, exact same concept, kishi didnt even bother to change the rules, he actually shamelessly simplifies them.HurricaneSweet said: yhunata said: There are many things kishi stole into naruto.goh13 said: I know Togashi helped Kishi but I feel there is a point where you start to copy other's work and stop using it as a kickstarter to your project. I am just glad HXH is getting some fame now though and that helps a lot. Not a good remake but it is better than nothing. "copy other's work"? Where exactly in the Kage Bunshin training was a copying of HxH? The point of the training was to use as many clones as possible to get Naruto to master his Chakra Nature as soon as possible. Since Yamato was there, leaves were the best possible thing Naruto could use for his training. It actually wouldn't have made sense to use anything else in that situation. The Chakra paper was the only thing that seemed to be influenced from HxH and that exactly isn't a bad thing. Do tell, then. I've read both HxH and Naruto, am up to date with both anime and I do not remember anything that was stolen. Influenced, though, I can agree with. Gon and kil vs Netero? Kakashi bell exam? That's hardly influence when it's so blatantly similar. The fact that during the exam a creepy power lustiky villain attacks them to assess their powers? And he is revealed to be a part of the villain group? Or when he is revealed to have other motives, attempts to kill a member of the group and then leaves? Sasukes character being an exact combination of kurapika and killua. I could go on... |
Jul 29, 2013 7:49 AM
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HurricaneSweet said: The entire chunin penultimate phase, exact same concept, kishi didnt even bother to change the rules, he actually shamelessly simplifies them. Grand Martial Arts tournament. That one tournament in Yu Yu Hakusho. Tournaments like that aren't exactly abnormal, you know. HurricaneSweet said: Gon and kil vs Netero? Kakashi bell exam? That's hardly influence when it's so blatantly similar. Granted. Very similar indeed. The fact that during the exam a creepy power lustiky villain attacks them to assess their powers? And he is revealed to be a part of the villain group? Or when he is revealed to have other motives, attempts to kill a member of the group and then leaves? I'm not exactly certain. When exactly does a good guy attack good guys? Even if to assess powers, good guys normally tell the people they're testing instead of making it seem as if they're going for their life. Plus, Oro didn't try to kill a member of the "group" until the Tsunade arc and he was forced into doing so. He saw Kakashi take Sasuke and followed him. Kakashi then tried to show off saying he's gonna kill Oro, prompting Oro to show off his murderous intent. Again, influence and RuroKen did that before HxH, with a "good guy" (if you can call him that) instead. Sasukes character being an exact combination of kurapika and killua. I could go on... So, Sasuke's a trained assassin now? You'll just spout off any bullshit if it is to demean anything other than HxH, won't you? Having similar character tropes makes it an influence, not stealing. "Exact combination", my ass. Congratulations, that's one correct (possibly) and three exaggerations. |
Jul 29, 2013 7:55 AM
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yhunata said: No he's the last survivor of a red-eyes clan seeking revenge against you know who, and he's also the main character's friend of the same age who happens to leave him, because of the fearsome older brother, forcing the mc to try and find him, ironically sasuke's part took longer in what we call shippuden and conveniently that's where naruto started to suck, hmmm i wonder why?HurricaneSweet said: The entire chunin penultimate phase, exact same concept, kishi didnt even bother to change the rules, he actually shamelessly simplifies them. Grand Martial Arts tournament. That one tournament in Yu Yu Hakusho. Tournaments like that aren't exactly abnormal, you know. HurricaneSweet said: Gon and kil vs Netero? Kakashi bell exam? That's hardly influence when it's so blatantly similar. Granted. Very similar indeed. The fact that during the exam a creepy power lustiky villain attacks them to assess their powers? And he is revealed to be a part of the villain group? Or when he is revealed to have other motives, attempts to kill a member of the group and then leaves? I'm not exactly certain. When exactly does a good guy attack good guys? Even if to assess powers, good guys normally tell the people they're testing instead of making it seem as if they're going for their life. Plus, Oro didn't try to kill a member of the "group" until the Tsunade arc and he was forced into doing so. He saw Kakashi take Sasuke and followed him. Kakashi then tried to show off saying he's gonna kill Oro, prompting Oro to show off his murderous intent. Again, influence and RuroKen did that before HxH, with a "good guy" (if you can call him that) instead. Sasukes character being an exact combination of kurapika and killua. I could go on... So, Sasuke's a trained assassin now? You'll just spout off any bullshit if it is to demean anything other than HxH, won't you? Having similar character tropes makes it an influence, not stealing. "Exact combination", my ass. Congratulations, that's one correct (possibly) and three exaggerations. And i love how you chickened out on my other points because you cant deny them. |
Jul 29, 2013 8:07 AM
#47
HurricaneSweet said: yhunata said: No he's the last survivor of a red-eyes clan seeking revenge against you know who, and he's also the main character's friend of the same age who happens to leave him, because of the fearsome older brother, forcing the mc to try and find him, ironically sasuke's part took longer in what we call shippuden and conveniently that's where naruto started to suck, hmmm i wonder why?HurricaneSweet said: The entire chunin penultimate phase, exact same concept, kishi didnt even bother to change the rules, he actually shamelessly simplifies them. Grand Martial Arts tournament. That one tournament in Yu Yu Hakusho. Tournaments like that aren't exactly abnormal, you know. HurricaneSweet said: Gon and kil vs Netero? Kakashi bell exam? That's hardly influence when it's so blatantly similar. Granted. Very similar indeed. The fact that during the exam a creepy power lustiky villain attacks them to assess their powers? And he is revealed to be a part of the villain group? Or when he is revealed to have other motives, attempts to kill a member of the group and then leaves? I'm not exactly certain. When exactly does a good guy attack good guys? Even if to assess powers, good guys normally tell the people they're testing instead of making it seem as if they're going for their life. Plus, Oro didn't try to kill a member of the "group" until the Tsunade arc and he was forced into doing so. He saw Kakashi take Sasuke and followed him. Kakashi then tried to show off saying he's gonna kill Oro, prompting Oro to show off his murderous intent. Again, influence and RuroKen did that before HxH, with a "good guy" (if you can call him that) instead. Sasukes character being an exact combination of kurapika and killua. I could go on... So, Sasuke's a trained assassin now? You'll just spout off any bullshit if it is to demean anything other than HxH, won't you? Having similar character tropes makes it an influence, not stealing. "Exact combination", my ass. Congratulations, that's one correct (possibly) and three exaggerations. And i love how you chickened out on my other points because you cant deny them. You said exact, which is why I said that is what people call "influence". Red Eyes, check. Avenger, check. Hates his brother, check. Actually, Sasuke hated his brother, but he loves him now. So, uncheck. And I chickened out on your points? Tournaments, I gave you an answer. You didn't reply, so I chickened out. Okay. The Bell Test. I agreed with you on it's similarity. No need for me to further go into detail about how it's similar, is it? The villain? I destroyed that point, yet I chickened out from explaining how that's not stolen from HxH, especially by stating that it was done before HxH. I just answered you final point and that was the only one you can really accuse me of chickening out from. |
Jul 29, 2013 8:15 AM
#48
TinkleTinkle-Hoy said: I was surprised to see that this topic had not been made(at least I couldn't find it when I searched "influential anime"). To make this clear, this is not just your favorite anime, and is not a listing thread. Give reasons! Don't just put "it was really popular" or "do I really need to explain". Explain its impact on the industry and how it influenced later series. To be honest, I'm not knowledgeable enough to really do this. I haven't seen all the classics, and don't know enough about the history of anime and the effect certain series had. Still I'm going to give my opinion, just take is lightly. I'm interested in the opinions of people who have seen far more anime then me and know more about this topic. Well here's my top five, and why I think they were so influential. Not in any particular order. Neon Genesis Evangelion-It came out when there really was not much variety in the mecha and super robot genre doing something completely different. It was dark, and did not hold back. It also set the groundwork for what would become some of the most popular character archetypes in anime/manga(that are still being imitated to this day). Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind(Kaze no Tani no Nausicaa)-In the 80s this film basically set the bar for how good animation could/should be. It also is pretty much the reason that Studio Ghibli was formed, which is arguably one of the most recognized and important studios in the industry. Astro Boy(Tetsuwan Atomu)- Basically the first anime to air on Japanese television and become a hit. It is also considered to be one of the original series to define the global recognized "anime look". Setting anime apart from cartoons from other countries with its original style. It also is a big part of why sci-fi remained/remains such a popular genre in anime/manga. Mobile Suit Gundam- There were other mecha and super robot anime like Macross and Mazinger Z, but I think MSG set the bar for what mecha anime could be. It was one of the earlier series to use mecha that were more suits of armor then actual robots(which has basically become the norm now). For that, and the fact it is still insanely popular and influential means it deserves a spot. Urusei Yatsura- We all know how popular moe', romantic comedies, and ecchi has become. In my opinion a lot of that is owed to this series, which seems to be one of the first series to have done a lot of the things that are oh so popular today. A loser is all of a sudden forced to marry a cute alien girl who is constantly in a skimpy bikini, while his human girlfriend becomes extremely jealous. A bunch of wacky and crude humor ensues. Sound like a show that could air next season? Yea, but it aired in 1981. I know other ones that are well worth mention, but I really want to limit it to only five(as I hope you do as well). I really should have included a shounen anime lol. Well I'm more curious as what the "experts" have to say rather then my top 5. Shouldn't Dragonball has a blace there. I don't even know Urusei Yatsura and am an anime fan but even my grandma knows Dragonball. |
MonadJul 29, 2013 10:24 AM
Jul 29, 2013 8:28 AM
#49
yhunata said: HurricaneSweet said: yhunata said: There are many things kishi stole into naruto.goh13 said: I know Togashi helped Kishi but I feel there is a point where you start to copy other's work and stop using it as a kickstarter to your project. I am just glad HXH is getting some fame now though and that helps a lot. Not a good remake but it is better than nothing. "copy other's work"? Where exactly in the Kage Bunshin training was a copying of HxH? The point of the training was to use as many clones as possible to get Naruto to master his Chakra Nature as soon as possible. Since Yamato was there, leaves were the best possible thing Naruto could use for his training. It actually wouldn't have made sense to use anything else in that situation. The Chakra paper was the only thing that seemed to be influenced from HxH and that exactly isn't a bad thing. Do tell, then. I've read both HxH and Naruto, am up to date with both anime and I do not remember anything that was stolen. Influenced, though, I can agree with. Don't even try. Togashi fanboys are the from the most crazy bunch you will even find. According to them the world itself was invented by him. All the energy nen and stuff he put can also easily be argued that he stole from other shows etc but other people have common sense to know that stuff like that is unavoidable to used around cause they are basic concepts of east civilizations and not some great Togashi invention. |
Jul 29, 2013 8:31 AM
#50
Lol yhunata said: loving his brother is shippiden so doesnt count.HurricaneSweet said: yhunata said: No he's the last survivor of a red-eyes clan seeking revenge against you know who, and he's also the main character's friend of the same age who happens to leave him, because of the fearsome older brother, forcing the mc to try and find him, ironically sasuke's part took longer in what we call shippuden and conveniently that's where naruto started to suck, hmmm i wonder why?HurricaneSweet said: The entire chunin penultimate phase, exact same concept, kishi didnt even bother to change the rules, he actually shamelessly simplifies them. Grand Martial Arts tournament. That one tournament in Yu Yu Hakusho. Tournaments like that aren't exactly abnormal, you know. HurricaneSweet said: Gon and kil vs Netero? Kakashi bell exam? That's hardly influence when it's so blatantly similar. Granted. Very similar indeed. The fact that during the exam a creepy power lustiky villain attacks them to assess their powers? And he is revealed to be a part of the villain group? Or when he is revealed to have other motives, attempts to kill a member of the group and then leaves? I'm not exactly certain. When exactly does a good guy attack good guys? Even if to assess powers, good guys normally tell the people they're testing instead of making it seem as if they're going for their life. Plus, Oro didn't try to kill a member of the "group" until the Tsunade arc and he was forced into doing so. He saw Kakashi take Sasuke and followed him. Kakashi then tried to show off saying he's gonna kill Oro, prompting Oro to show off his murderous intent. Again, influence and RuroKen did that before HxH, with a "good guy" (if you can call him that) instead. Sasukes character being an exact combination of kurapika and killua. I could go on... So, Sasuke's a trained assassin now? You'll just spout off any bullshit if it is to demean anything other than HxH, won't you? Having similar character tropes makes it an influence, not stealing. "Exact combination", my ass. Congratulations, that's one correct (possibly) and three exaggerations. And i love how you chickened out on my other points because you cant deny them. You said exact, which is why I said that is what people call "influence". Red Eyes, check. Avenger, check. Hates his brother, check. Actually, Sasuke hated his brother, but he loves him now. So, uncheck. And I chickened out on your points? Tournaments, I gave you an answer. You didn't reply, so I chickened out. Okay. The Bell Test. I agreed with you on it's similarity. No need for me to further go into detail about how it's similar, is it? The villain? I destroyed that point, yet I chickened out from explaining how that's not stolen from HxH, especially by stating that it was done before HxH. I just answered you final point and that was the only one you can really accuse me of chickening out from. Yes exact. If those little drawings on sharingan are what makes it just influence and not a ripoff then lol. There's absolutely no effort to add on anything he stole. He actually simplifies it for a wider audience. That's all. Before hxh? Hisoka came after orochimaru? pT after alatsuki? Lol. Influence is when you make something vaguely similar, not an exact copy slammed into a ninja theme |
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