JustALEX said: Mikoto is a loli by all sense of that very vague term. 14 years old is not considered pedophilia and also is not loli in any way whatsoever. It'd fall under ebebophilia and, as far as 'loli' goes, she's too old - and her body is also the wrong type if you want to go based on the physical appearance idea of the term. There is literally no commonly agreed on versions of loli (I'm aware there are several ideas of what it is based on or includes) that Mikoto would fit into whatsoever. Mikoto is not loli, she's a teenager for fuck's sake. |
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ReasonDesu said: Jaguer91 said: Why do people surprise about this? It's normal to arrest a fucking pedophile. CG =/= reality, even if he did use pictures of underage girls as a reference it's questionable to call it pedophilia. What next arrest every questionable loli character designer in the world of anime/eroge? I fear Japan's prisons will soon be as full as the west. He was arrested for child pornography possession, not for the CG. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: JustALEX said: Mikoto is a loli by all sense of that very vague term. 14 years old is not considered pedophilia and also is not loli in any way whatsoever. It'd fall under ebebophilia and, as far as 'loli' goes, she's too old - and her body is also the wrong type if you want to go based on the physical appearance idea of the term. There is literally no commonly agreed on versions of loli (I'm aware there are several ideas of what it is based on or includes) that Mikoto would fit into whatsoever. Mikoto is not loli, she's a teenager for fuck's sake. I agree, she's too tall to be a loli, a loli is <5 ft if they are over 13. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: JustALEX said: Mikoto is a loli by all sense of that very vague term. 14 years old is not considered pedophilia and also is not loli in any way whatsoever. It'd fall under ebebophilia and, as far as 'loli' goes, she's too old - and her body is also the wrong type if you want to go based on the physical appearance idea of the term. There is literally no commonly agreed on versions of loli (I'm aware there are several ideas of what it is based on or includes) that Mikoto would fit into whatsoever. Mikoto is not loli, she's a teenager for fuck's sake. I understand what you're saying and it makes perfect sense, but... Loli is a VERY vague and loose term. And since we ARE dealing with drawings which are given made up ages it is almost impossible to determine what is what. Lets face it man, here in the U.S if I had a doujin featuring Mikoto with her body type (flat chest, early teens)....some people would undoubtedly think this was lolicon material. |
JustALEX said: I understand what you're saying and it makes perfect sense, but... Loli is a VERY vague and loose term. And since we ARE dealing with drawings which are given made up ages it is almost impossible to determine what is what. Lets face it man, here in the U.S if I had a doujin featuring Mikoto with her body type (flat chest, early teens)....some people would undoubtedly think this was lolicon material. No, they'd think it's pornography of an underage person - and it is. She's underage, this does not make her "loli". It is not that loose a term. She has the body of a teenager and the age of one - she in no way fits any definition of loli. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: JustALEX said: Mikoto is a loli by all sense of that very vague term. 14 years old is not considered pedophilia and also is not loli in any way whatsoever. It'd fall under ebebophilia and, as far as 'loli' goes, she's too old - and her body is also the wrong type if you want to go based on the physical appearance idea of the term. There is literally no commonly agreed on versions of loli (I'm aware there are several ideas of what it is based on or includes) that Mikoto would fit into whatsoever. Mikoto is not loli, she's a teenager for fuck's sake. What does the law say? |
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Jaguer91 said: TallonKarrde23 said: JustALEX said: Mikoto is a loli by all sense of that very vague term. 14 years old is not considered pedophilia and also is not loli in any way whatsoever. It'd fall under ebebophilia and, as far as 'loli' goes, she's too old - and her body is also the wrong type if you want to go based on the physical appearance idea of the term. There is literally no commonly agreed on versions of loli (I'm aware there are several ideas of what it is based on or includes) that Mikoto would fit into whatsoever. Mikoto is not loli, she's a teenager for fuck's sake. What does the law say? The law says an adult liking someone of 14 year old is considered ebebophilia. Not pedophilia. It is not child pornography to have graphic images of teenagers - it's pornography of a minor, which is equally against the law but not the same actual laws. It is not CP because it's not a child, it is not pedophilia for the same reason. It's still illegal so don't fucking do it - a lot of retards think jailbait is called that as a joke or only in reference to if you fuck them, but it's applicable even to just images. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: No, they'd think it's pornography of an underage person - and it is. She's underage, this does not make her "loli". It is not that loose a term. She has the body of a teenager and the age of one - she in no way fits any definition of loli. Depends on the artist doesn't it? Since Mikoto is one of my all time favorite characters, I have tons of her fan art. And trust me, in some of them she looks like a loli. I personally DO believe loli is a loose term because the standard of what a loli can be is difficult when dealing with drawings. Can lolis have breasts? Can lolis be a certain height? Is loli simply an art style like Lucky star? There are too many questions and "what ifs". |
JustALEX said: TallonKarrde23 said: No, they'd think it's pornography of an underage person - and it is. She's underage, this does not make her "loli". It is not that loose a term. She has the body of a teenager and the age of one - she in no way fits any definition of loli. Depends on the artist doesn't it? Since Mikoto is one of my all time favorite characters, I have tons of her fan art. And trust me, in some of them she looks like a loli. I personally DO believe loli is a loose term because the standard of what a loli can be is difficult when dealing with drawings. Can lolis have breasts? Can lolis be a certain height? Is loli simply an art style like Lucky star? There are too many questions and "what ifs". Fanart is not applicable to the discussion here - you claimed Mikoto Misaka, hence the canonical fucking character, can be considered loli. She cannot in any canonical form aside from times she is shown in flashbacks as herself when she was like 8. You are factually wrong. There are no what-if's, there are no questions. Mikoto Misaka is in no way, shape, or form something you could possibly consider a loli. Not in looks, not in style of art, not in age, not in height, and so on. Please stop. Your personal beliefs are irrelevant and you're veering off the topic of what you said - which is that Mikoto Misaka as officially shown within Railgun is loli. She is not. This is a fact. Stop trying to broaden the discussion into "But what is loli really?" - it's irrelevant. Mikoto Misaka fits zero ideas of what loli is. No need for further fallacy. |
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JustALEX said: I'm not trying to make a case that Mikoto is a loli. I'm saying that loli is a vague term I really believe that. And we're dealing with fictional drawings. Konata is 18....liking her would not make you a lolicon....by definition. Except one look at her and you realize she looks 11 or 12 at best. To say that Mikoto is NOT a loli simply because they gave her the age of 14 is not enough to end the discussion. I did not say that. Her body type, the art style she is officially shown in, the way she is drawn, her entire character design, her age, it is all proof she is not a loli by ANY definition - including the ones you keep pulling out of your ass. Read my posts or do not respond to them. I already addressed more than just her age. Please stop refuting when you continually admit you're fucking wrong. And stop using "examples". We're discussing MIKOTO MISAKA - NOT "WHAT IS LOLI". How someone in Lucky Star is presented is absolutely fucking irrelevant to the discussion you and I are having. Show me the aspects of Mikoto Misaka that could be mistaken for a loli. Show me the OFFICIAL aspects of her character design that lead you to believe she's a loli. Tell me, what parts of her seem to be a small child? What aspects of her make her come off on par with an 8 year old for example? I'm not seeing any. But you say she's clearly a loli, so instead of talking lucky star, tell me what makes it so easy to say Mikoto Misaka is a loli - because at this point you sound like someone who'd claim Revy in Black Lagoon is a loli. |
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TinkleTinkle-Hoy said: I agree with ALEX, and I find myself calling characters that are technically highschool age lolis very often because they look and often act like them. Then there's stuff like the girls in Monogatari, who are in highschool, but look far more realistic in terms of what a girl that age looks like. So no one is going to call them lolis.. However nobody is talking about only age. Mikoto Misaka doesn't fit the age OR THE LOOKS of a loli. She is 14 years old and looks 14 years old in every way. Actually, she's over developed and looks a bit older compared to her classmates and friends because she's a rather tall and athletic girl. If anything she's mistakable as a high school girl more than she is a middle schooler (which is what she actually is). This is a case where I could understand thinking she's OLDER, but thinking she's a loli? No. |
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TinkleTinkle-Hoy said: I disagree, I think she is right on the line. Kuroko(is that her name, the lesbian one) looks like a loli, that's not what 12yr olds look like. I have a 12yr old niece, she looks older then Misaka. I do think they act their age though. Loli is kind of like moe' though, people have different ideas of what exactly it means(which is what justALEX was saying. Loli is obviously an abbreviation of lolita, which is from some Russian novel of the same name(I more know the Kubrick film) where the guy falls in love with a 12yr old girl. Who obviously isn't prepubescent. Which makes the definition of loli a bit more debatable. Kuroko is not Misaka. Try again. You both need to stop with these examples - no examples, we are discussing one very specific character. Tell me in what ways does Mikoto Misaka - ONLY MIKOTO MISAKA - ONLY IN OFFICIAL MATERIAL - not look like a 14 year old? From what you guys keep saying it should be SO EASY to provide what you're talking about. |
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| LOL, who cares anyway it's not like Railgun is a hentai. My main point was about where the word loli even came from, and that the original use was referring to a 12yr old girl. It doesn't specify in detail that a loli is 12 and under, if anything it made it seem like lolita refers to girls in early stages of puberty(which technically Misaka would be...) What I think, the Japanese need to make an otaku slang dictionary so we can stop debating the meanings of these things. |
JustALEX said: I'm not trying to stir anyone up but the fact is that loli and what people think loli is, is many times up for debate. For me, it is useless to even mention the ages of any anime character since they are made up ages, so what we go by to determine what a loli is, is their body type. Most people will agree that a loli is a prepubescent child. I agree with that as well. The problem is....how the hell do you determine what a prepubescent child is in drawings? And then you have a wide array of art styles with complicate the problem. Sure, sometimes it's obvious to spot kids and child-like characters in anime, other times it's not. The reason I said that Mikoto is a loli is because SOME people view her that way since they assume that loli is simply "underage". I personally don't care. All drawings are fictional and do not depict real humans, they are only human-like. But the last time I checked, real humans don't have such huge eyes and such small noses and mouths. Their proportions are also nothing like the way most anime present them as. NONE OF THAT IS EVEN A SINGLE RESPONSE TO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. If you refuse to debate something - let alone prove YOUR OWN SIDE of something, then don't bait me into believing you're actually willing to manage providing points for your side. Evading, deflecting, and entirely IGNORING what you originally said and what we are ACTUALLY talking about is fucking bullshit. You're so fucking wrong you're afraid to just say it and all you do is keep arguing about irrelevant off topic bullshit. It's amazing you'll stop at no fallacy to continue running away. NOTHING YOU SAID AT ALL IS RELATED WHATSOEVER TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. We are discussing the very specific situation of YOU - you personally - YOU - not "other people - YOU, claiming that Mikoto Misaka is a loli. PLEASE RESPOND TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING OR STOP FUCKING POSTING REPLIES AIMED AT ME, otherwise I will have to take them as baiting - given you are clearly refusing to actually respond to what I'm asking of what YOU yourself stated. Either show me specifically how Mikoto Misaka is so easily discernible as a loli or shut up. I don't care what you think loli is - show me how you believe Mikoto Misaka is one. I don't care what PHILOSOPHICAL BULLSHIT you want to talk about or WHO ELSE believes WHAT. YOU tell ME how you can claim - as you DID earlier - that Mikoto Misaka is easily a loli. Stop this fallacious bullshit and give me a real goddamn answer. |
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JustALEX said: TallonKarrde23 said: No, they'd think it's pornography of an underage person - and it is. She's underage, this does not make her "loli". It is not that loose a term. She has the body of a teenager and the age of one - she in no way fits any definition of loli. Depends on the artist doesn't it? Since Mikoto is one of my all time favorite characters, I have tons of her fan art. And trust me, in some of them she looks like a loli. I personally DO believe loli is a loose term because the standard of what a loli can be is difficult when dealing with drawings. Can lolis have breasts? Can lolis be a certain height? Is loli simply an art style like Lucky star? There are too many questions and "what ifs". Yes, Airi Kashii from Ro-Kyu-Bu is well endowed They must be less than 5 ft tall or under 13 Lucky Star uses a chibi artstyle, not loli. The best way to approach this issue is age first then height, if she's older than 13, check the height. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: NONE OF THAT IS EVEN A SINGLE RESPONSE TO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. If you refuse to debate something - let alone prove YOUR OWN SIDE of something, then don't bait me into believing you're actually willing to manage providing points for your side. Evading, deflecting, and entirely IGNORING what you originally said and what we are ACTUALLY talking about is fucking bullshit. You're so fucking wrong you're afraid to just say it and all you do is keep arguing about irrelevant off topic bullshit. It's amazing you'll stop at no fallacy to continue running away. NOTHING YOU SAID AT ALL IS RELATED WHATSOEVER TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. PLEASE RESPOND TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING OR STOP FUCKING POSTING REPLIES AIMED AT ME, otherwise I will have to take them as baiting - given you are clearly refusing to actually respond to what I'm asking of what YOU yourself stated. Either show me specifically how Mikoto Misaka is so easily discernible as a loli or shut up. I don't care what you think loli is - show me how you believe Mikoto Misaka is one. I don't care what PHILOSOPHICAL BULLSHIT you want to talk about or WHO ELSE believes WHAT. YOU tell ME how you can claim - as you DID earlier - that Mikoto Misaka is easily a loli. Stop this fallacious bullshit and give me a real goddamn answer. Woah man, relax.....like I said, I'm not trying to stir anyone up. I said that loli is a vague term especially when dealing with drawings, that is my opinion but I really believe it. Mikoto is a borderline character IMO.....I don't think I ever said she was "easily a loli" and if I implied that, that was not my intention. Some people will see her as loli, regardless of what the "official" definition is because the truth is that it is in fact difficult to determine what prepubescent really is in a fictional world. The age they give her doesn't matter, what matters is her body type. And her body type can easily range from 12 - 15 depending on how you view it. Like I said, personally I don't care what you call Mikoto or ANY character for that matter. They are fictional, they don't resemble real humans. Lolicon =/= pedophile IMO. |
JustALEX said: Like I said, personally I don't care what you call Mikoto or ANY character for that matter. Whether you "care" or not is irrelevant. You told someone very clearly that Mikoto Misaka is a loli. YOU said this, you did not say "some people would consider her one" - you said she is. This means you believe she is. I would like to know how a girl that's taller than many adult women and with the body type of a typical Japanese college/adult female is somehow something that looks 12 years old to you. I mean 12, really? 12? Do you think...what, a flat chest makes someone a child? You realize even old people have flat chests? People in their middle ages too? Teenagers, high schoolers, college kids? Breast size is not an indication of anything - I hope you understand this. But aside her chest, I'm not seeing any way you could even pretend to believe she looks 12 - and even her chest is pretty normal for being Japanese. This looks 12 to you? Really? Come on.  Hell - here's an image of her WITH ACTUAL LOLI I'm NOT trying to attack you about this - but you did tell someone very sure of yourself that they had a "loli avatar" because "Misaka is a loli". This upset me and I simply want a full viable explanation of what you see that makes it so clear to you personally - nobody else, just you - that she is a loli. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Whether you "care" or not is irrelevant. You told someone very clearly that Mikoto Misaka is a loli. YOU said this, Yes, I did say that. Because the term is so damn loose ESPECIALLY when people start saying that lolicon = pedophile I definitely don't believe that way. But considering that people want to brand "loli" as prepubescent....that means you could be 12 or 13 and still be "loli". And since we're dealing with DRAWINGS, it IS difficult to make a determination sometimes. ^That is an official art image of Mikoto....and she looks 12-13 there well within "loli" range. |
JustALEX said: TallonKarrde23 said: Whether you "care" or not is irrelevant. You told someone very clearly that Mikoto Misaka is a loli. YOU said this, Yes, I did say that. Because the term is so damn loose ESPECIALLY when people start saying that lolicon = pedophile I definitely don't believe that way. Then why did you say it? What purpose did it serve to tell that user something you do not even believe? Were you just looking and trying to lay bait for an argument? Or was just it just a bad judgment call? Because if it's the latter or something like that then I understand and I'd be fine dropping it in that case, but if it's the former then, well, what the hell? I mean if you just said it without thinking because you felt like countering what that user said - fine. But it genuinely kind of upset me when I saw you saying that - and now you're saying it's not even something you personally agree with. Or like, did you MEAN to say something implying that "some might consider her a loli" rather than just outright stating that she IS one? Because in that case I can understand the situation as well. Because now you're basically negating your entire original post by claiming you don't actually agree with it in the past few posts you made (I know the context in this last one was sort of towards something else) - and this is making me need to make sure of what's happening before I continue making posts that might come off as too volatile for the forums again. So here's a new question - do you believe Mikoto Misaka is a loli. YOU, your opinion, your idea of what a loli is, whatever else; is Mikoto Misaka a loli "to you"? If so, I'd still like to know specifically how. Or did you just word your response poorly by mistake while trying to make a point to that guy? Also, I don't agree that she looks anywhere near twelve in that image. The body and facial structures are too grown up and lengthened for that age. Not to mention she has, small but there, curves. The proportions of her legs and the rest of her body also don't match that of someone younger than a teen. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Then why did you say it? What purpose did it serve to tell that user something you do not even believe? Were you just looking and trying to lay bait for an argument? Or was just it just a bad judgment call? I was making a point. The person I responded to was agreeing with another person that lolicon = pedophile. So I said....Hey man, your avatar (mikoto) is a loli! In other words, I was trying to say that his argument that lolicon = pedophile is incorrect. TallonKarrde23 said: But it genuinely kind of upset me when I saw you saying that - and now you're saying it's not even something you personally agree with. Or like, did you MEAN to say something implying that "some might consider her a loli" rather than just outright stating that she IS one? Because in that case I can understand the situation as well. In hindsight I should have said SOME people consider her a loli...instead of saying she is a loli outright. That was bad wording by my part. TallonKarrde23 said: So here's a new question - do you believe Mikoto Misaka is a loli. YOU, your opinion, your idea of what a loli is, whatever else; is Mikoto Misaka a loli "to you"? If so, I'd still like to know specifically how. I believe a loli is child. I believe a child is....that's honestly difficult to answer because since this is a fictional world I can't go by the age and going by body type is questionable. If we were judging a picture of a REAL girl then it's easy...I would just ask, how old are you....end of story. If I'm judging Mikoto I'm not going to go by her age, I'm going to go by her body type and I would say that most of the time she looks like a teenager 14-15. And other times in some pictures (yes, official ones) she looks a bit younger, it's very difficult to judge, I'm very serious about that. It's not like judging Saeko for example from High School of the Dead, she has a very "adult body". However Mikoto has a flat chest (and yes, I realize that in real life there are adult women that are flat chested, but in anime we usually refer to flat chested characters as lolis or childish), and she does act a bit childish at times, thankfully not always. So my honest opinion is that Mikoto is "borderline". But again, I'm only going by what people have said what a loli is....again, since I DON'T view lolicon the same as pedophile, I don't care if she were officially ruled a loli or not. And that was my whole point from the beginning lolicon is not bad....well, at least when dealing with fictional drawings. |
| Not quoting just because of the length - but if that's the case then I understand, and sorry for snapping at you about it. I went back and read the post you were replying to and the rest of the context with it more clearly and realized that maybe it was just a poorly executed way of retorting him. I'm not gonna keep dragging this on and I'm fine with the rest of what you said - albeit it is very debatable and I disagree with it; but it's not so contradicting and easy to misunderstand as the rest of this discussion was. The thread isn't about this anyway and you did finally give me an answer, so I'm fine with ending it there. As for the loli = pedo stuff, again; I only came into this thread because you mentioned very clearly "Misaka is a loli" and that alone bothered me. I wasn't debating on what loli is, what a pedophile is, if lolicon and pedophilia is the same or not, or anything else. You keep talking about that in replies to me but it was never something I was trying to talk to you about and it kept making things convoluted and helped me misunderstand further. We usually get along okay so I wanted to post this to make sure don't feel like I was trying to attack you or anything. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Not quoting just because of the length - but if that's the case then I understand, and sorry for snapping at you about it. I went back and read the post you were replying to and the rest of the context with it more clearly and realized that maybe it was just a poorly executed way of retorting him. I'm not gonna keep dragging this on and I'm fine with the rest of what you said - albeit it is very debatable and I disagree with it; but it's not so contradicting and easy to misunderstand as the rest of this discussion was. The thread isn't about this anyway and you did finally give me an answer, so I'm fine with ending it there. As for the loli = pedo stuff, again; I only came into this thread because you mentioned very clearly "Misaka is a loli" and that alone bothered me. I wasn't debating on what loli is, what a pedophile is, if lolicon and pedophilia is the same or not, or anything else. You keep talking about that in replies to me but it was never something I was trying to talk to you about and it kept making things convoluted and helped me misunderstand further. We usually get along okay so I wanted to post this to make sure don't feel like I was trying to attack you or anything. And I can definitely say that I used a bad set of words in my first post on this thread. Trust me, when I'm joking around/trolling I don't sound anything like this so everything I said is sincere. Mikoto is one of my all time favorite characters, I would NEVER intentionally say things to belittle her character. |
ReasonDesu said: And you reek of a pedophile.Well I disagree, I myself even though I'm not a professional artist have played around in Photoshop with fanart, to insinuate everyone who draws a picture of a loli is a pedophile is just ridiculous imo. Especially if it's a professional artist which this guy was, most of you watch the shit but will crucify whoever makes it. *edit* And lol EternalFusion you have Maka Albarn and Misaka on your favorites. /facepalm. and Kasucats you have Rika and multiple other loli you all reek of double standards. |
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katsucats said: ReasonDesu said: And you reek of a pedophile.Well I disagree, I myself even though I'm not a professional artist have played around in Photoshop with fanart, to insinuate everyone who draws a picture of a loli is a pedophile is just ridiculous imo. Especially if it's a professional artist which this guy was, most of you watch the shit but will crucify whoever makes it. *edit* And lol EternalFusion you have Maka Albarn and Misaka on your favorites. /facepalm. and Kasucats you have Rika and multiple other loli you all reek of double standards. Whatever you are pathetic, you cry at CG loli yet love Rika, typical of the ignorance in these forums. Jaguer91 said: He was arrested for child pornography possession, not for the CG. Where do you get this info from? If it's true then it's fair that he was arrested, the news reports just state he used photos, it doesn't even specify lewd photos. |
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ReasonDesu said: Your first mistake is taking my profile too seriously. Your second mistake is equating someone that has to try and draw little girls as cute as possible with someone who could've liked any particular aspect of that character. Your third mistake is defensively characterizing a matter-of-fact statement as "crying", possibly for a cheap attempt at ad hominem.Whatever you are pathetic, you cry at CG loli yet love Rika, typical of the ignorance in these forums. If there is "ignorance" in these forums, they are perpetuated purely by your ilk. Fanboys... sigh... |
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| Yeah you definitely were not crying calling them pedophiles. Fanboys are definitely relevant to this current event conversation and make a really important point here too. Other than regurgitating a few buzzwords I don't see what the point of that post was. |
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ReasonDesu said: The point of that post was to make you feel like shit, and it's working. Oh, and you're a pedophile.Yeah you definitely were not crying calling them pedophiles. Fanboys are definitely relevant to this current event conversation and make a really important point here too. Other than regurgitating a few buzzwords I don't see what the point of that post was. On a serious note, I hope you hold yourself to as high a standard as you hold my posts. You must have low self-esteem. You don't understand the point of my posts? What's the point of your posts? Do you really expect people to just shut up so you can say whatever you want? For posterity: ReasonDesu said: lolWhatever you are pathetic... typical of the ignorance in these forums. |
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ReasonDesu said: Typical of fanboys to apply a double-standard at the opposition. When my maturity has risen a few decades, you'll finally make it to 6 years old. Danth's Law, huh... Invoking Danth's Law by using Danth's Law... the irony... Anyways, I don't think you'll ever get it. I'm wasting my time.LoL danth's law, I'll come back and argue some more when your maturity has risen a few decades. |
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DateYutaka said: Iv stated my view on this is Japanese government and some other powerfull organs trying to implement us morals on Japanese people [ hate it japan is Japan when will the government see that and try and stop trying to do this to to its people trying to Change the very Asain ideal of nakedness is purty to the western moral view of nakedness is bad] first ishihara now this fuck it we have had large parts of our land occupied by the us army now we have our leaders try to trun us into USa JR I do not want The United States of Japan, I can't accept that kind of future, there are still far too many McArthur type folks in my country for it to work well. I hate the fact that there are no allies in the Japanese government who will be against the new bill in the Fall, because the others we had a few, but now there are none. They are out of order and need replacement with politicians who are younger. |
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DateYutaka said: Hoppy said: DateYutaka said: Iv stated my view on this is Japanese government and some other powerfull organs trying to implement us morals on Japanese people [ hate it japan is Japan when will the government see that and try and stop trying to do this to to its people trying to Change the very Asain ideal of nakedness is purty to the western moral view of nakedness is bad] first ishihara now this fuck it we have had large parts of our land occupied by the us army now we have our leaders try to trun us into USa JR I do not want The United States of Japan, I can't accept that kind of future, there are still far too many McArthur type folks in my country for it to work well. I hate the fact that there are no allies in the Japanese government who will be against the new bill in the Fall, because the others we had a few, but now there are none. They are out of order and need replacement with politicians who are younger. i fulyy agree but that thw way its going all of asia is like that not only my nation china is slowly becomeing that way South Kprea is the UsK im sorry but i give it till im 50 [ thats 22 years ] till japan is fully like the US in every way i ate that idea [ while i hate right wingers ] Japan needs a hardline rightwiing leader to stop this from happening to restore Japan to its old values and to to get are army bback and get to us out of our Land I do not believe it is the US fault for Japan taking up the western lifestyle. Media has definitely influenced the country, but ultimately it is the decision of the people to accept or reject what they see. "There can be 50 McDonalds in 1 town as their only restaurant, but if majority doesnt like it, chances are that McDonalds is not gonna stay there for long." |
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DateYutaka said: SOExclusive said: DateYutaka said: Hoppy said: DateYutaka said: Iv stated my view on this is Japanese government and some other powerfull organs trying to implement us morals on Japanese people [ hate it japan is Japan when will the government see that and try and stop trying to do this to to its people trying to Change the very Asain ideal of nakedness is purty to the western moral view of nakedness is bad] first ishihara now this fuck it we have had large parts of our land occupied by the us army now we have our leaders try to trun us into USa JR I do not want The United States of Japan, I can't accept that kind of future, there are still far too many McArthur type folks in my country for it to work well. I hate the fact that there are no allies in the Japanese government who will be against the new bill in the Fall, because the others we had a few, but now there are none. They are out of order and need replacement with politicians who are younger. i fulyy agree but that thw way its going all of asia is like that not only my nation china is slowly becomeing that way South Kprea is the UsK im sorry but i give it till im 50 [ thats 22 years ] till japan is fully like the US in every way i ate that idea [ while i hate right wingers ] Japan needs a hardline rightwiing leader to stop this from happening to restore Japan to its old values and to to get are army bback and get to us out of our Land I do not believe it is the US fault for Japan taking up the western lifestyle. Media has definitely influenced the country, but ultimately it is the decision of the people to accept or reject what they see. "There can be 50 McDonalds in 1 town as their only restaurant, but if majority doesnt like it, chances are that McDonalds is not gonna stay there for long." bullcrap see how long thay would last if any hyper right winger get in power and in acts the older Zaibetsu Laws again that what Japan needs Its not the US fault man. Its the way the media can persuade people and ultimately people choice. Just like anime has influence my country. I never heard of anime until I saw Pokemon and Dragonball Z. I was buying the toys and a cards when I was a kid. I didnt have to, but that stuff really had me interested. The British has also influenced them with the way Japanese people drink tea during certain times. I doubt the british just brought some tea over and said "here sell this, its good" There had to be some influences from the media and their culture setting up in Japan. |
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DateYutaka said: SOExclusive said: DateYutaka said: SOExclusive said: DateYutaka said: Hoppy said: DateYutaka said: Iv stated my view on this is Japanese government and some other powerfull organs trying to implement us morals on Japanese people [ hate it japan is Japan when will the government see that and try and stop trying to do this to to its people trying to Change the very Asain ideal of nakedness is purty to the western moral view of nakedness is bad] first ishihara now this fuck it we have had large parts of our land occupied by the us army now we have our leaders try to trun us into USa JR I do not want The United States of Japan, I can't accept that kind of future, there are still far too many McArthur type folks in my country for it to work well. I hate the fact that there are no allies in the Japanese government who will be against the new bill in the Fall, because the others we had a few, but now there are none. They are out of order and need replacement with politicians who are younger. i fulyy agree but that thw way its going all of asia is like that not only my nation china is slowly becomeing that way South Kprea is the UsK im sorry but i give it till im 50 [ thats 22 years ] till japan is fully like the US in every way i ate that idea [ while i hate right wingers ] Japan needs a hardline rightwiing leader to stop this from happening to restore Japan to its old values and to to get are army bback and get to us out of our Land I do not believe it is the US fault for Japan taking up the western lifestyle. Media has definitely influenced the country, but ultimately it is the decision of the people to accept or reject what they see. "There can be 50 McDonalds in 1 town as their only restaurant, but if majority doesnt like it, chances are that McDonalds is not gonna stay there for long." bullcrap see how long thay would last if any hyper right winger get in power and in acts the older Zaibetsu Laws again that what Japan needs Its not the US fault man. Its the way the media can persuade people and ultimately people choice. Just like anime has influence my country. I never heard of anime until I saw Pokemon and Dragonball Z. I was buying the toys and a cards when I was a kid. I didnt have to, but that stuff really had me interested. The British has also influenced them with the way Japanese people drink tea during certain times. I doubt the british just brought some tea over and said "here sell this, its good" There had to be some influences from the media and their culture setting up in Japan. side note its was a Japanese person who created the idea of instant coffee side note 2 Tea was from cina and India and china first not the uk and japan Traded with China bfore most western nations Side note I was talking about the way they drink it at certain times of the day is similar to the British *Its nice to see how patriotic you are about your country, but you cannot reject the influences of other countries because they have help make what your country is today. Japan went through a period of isolation from foreign countries. If they had continued that, your country probably wouldn't exist as China would of took over Japan long ago. |
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NickyCharisma said: TinkleTinkle-Hoy said: First off, I kind have to say Hoppy creeps me out a bit. Sorry, but you do. I love the MAL community. You never cease to make me smile. Same here lol. I'd like to add my humble opinion on what I have seen so far. Firstly I was under the impression that a loli was a older girl that had certain characteristics that made them appear younger than they actually are. While I do believe this I would still call any random young looking girl(in anime or manga at least) a loli. Examples of what I'm saying would be half the casrt of......never mind I don't want to associate them with this topic. Anyway what I mean is its a loose tern that people use in different ways. Was this guy probably a weirdo......yeah he probably was. Are lolis bad(once again I mean clean stuff not hentai) no not really. It is bad though if some guy models them after real children though I mean come on that's fucked up. |
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EternalFusion said: Well, guess I didn't have to defend my fav characters xD Ty MAL users for doing that for me. I will always defend Biribiri, don't worry! |
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Hoppy said: DateYutaka said: Iv stated my view on this is Japanese government and some other powerfull organs trying to implement us morals on Japanese people [ hate it japan is Japan when will the government see that and try and stop trying to do this to to its people trying to Change the very Asain ideal of nakedness is purty to the western moral view of nakedness is bad] first ishihara now this fuck it we have had large parts of our land occupied by the us army now we have our leaders try to trun us into USa JR I do not want The United States of Japan, I can't accept that kind of future, there are still far too many McArthur type folks in my country for it to work well. I hate the fact that there are no allies in the Japanese government who will be against the new bill in the Fall, because the others we had a few, but now there are none. They are out of order and need replacement with politicians who are younger. If there isn't anyone on our side to fight that bill in fall does this mean that it will pass? |
sonictoryuiai said: Hoppy said: DateYutaka said: Iv stated my view on this is Japanese government and some other powerfull organs trying to implement us morals on Japanese people [ hate it japan is Japan when will the government see that and try and stop trying to do this to to its people trying to Change the very Asain ideal of nakedness is purty to the western moral view of nakedness is bad] first ishihara now this fuck it we have had large parts of our land occupied by the us army now we have our leaders try to trun us into USa JR I do not want The United States of Japan, I can't accept that kind of future, there are still far too many McArthur type folks in my country for it to work well. I hate the fact that there are no allies in the Japanese government who will be against the new bill in the Fall, because the others we had a few, but now there are none. They are out of order and need replacement with politicians who are younger. If there isn't anyone on our side to fight that bill in fall does this mean that it will pass? For right now there is no government opposition, it can change from now to Fall and there's still opposition from manga publishers on the bill and some have connections to the government, but still the odds are against us. |
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Deserada said: You'd use photo or memory references if you were drawing too, it's not like he was using CP references.. Exactly. Everyone is assuming the original photos were pornographic. |
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