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| Almost cryied on the ending. Holy S#@t. |
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| i really love the ending, the ending ONLY..this sequel bored me as hell, the master and servants character are not well developed unlike the 1st series.. shirou annoys me i dunno why.. i can onlly feel that this is a sequel at ep20-24(when they talk about what happen 10yrs ago),. |
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| Was I the only one that noticed that it didn't show whether Emiya used his command seal or not? |
Volt1993 said: Was I the only one that noticed that it didn't show whether Emiya used his command seal or not? he used all three: |
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Bobby_S said: Volt1993 said: Was I the only one that noticed that it didn't show whether Emiya used his command seal or not? he used all three: I mean, I've never read the VN so perhaps the scene of him using the last command seal is more detailed, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't distinctly show him using it even though Saber asked him to. Perhaps she did it out of her own volition, and this leaves room for a plot twist for a sequel or something, but I'm probably overanalyzing it. As you can tell from my avatar, I've learned to be skeptical of the endings of series. |
sagdashin said: steinsedge said: i watched zero first and i have to admit watching this after made this series pretty great!! i actually really liked it because it made me understand what happened in zero...also i got to appreciate saber even more this time of course i'm so sad and disappointed that saber and emya did not end up together but they love each other and that love will always last <3 In the visual novel F/SN last story they actually meet again in Avalon, if I remember accurately. Correct me if I'm wrong though Sorry Im a noob and I probably missed this but whats Avalon? I personally liked F/SN. Shirou really pissed me off in the beginning but he slowly grew on me. Saber got cuter as the season progressed as well. Dat ending though was too sad. And you guys saying its the happiest possible ending, guess I wont be playing the VN then. Sleep well Saber ;-; 8/10 Volt1993 said: Bobby_S said: Volt1993 said: Was I the only one that noticed that it didn't show whether Emiya used his command seal or not? he used all three: I mean, I've never read the VN so perhaps the scene of him using the last command seal is more detailed, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't distinctly show him using it even though Saber asked him to. Perhaps she did it out of her own volition, and this leaves room for a plot twist for a sequel or something, but I'm probably overanalyzing it. As you can tell from my avatar, I've learned to be skeptical of the endings of series. They did show him giving the command and they showed the seal fading from his hand. |
Volt1993 said: Bobby_S said: Volt1993 said: Was I the only one that noticed that it didn't show whether Emiya used his command seal or not? he used all three: I mean, I've never read the VN so perhaps the scene of him using the last command seal is more detailed, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't distinctly show him using it even though Saber asked him to. Perhaps she did it out of her own volition, and this leaves room for a plot twist for a sequel or something, but I'm probably overanalyzing it. As you can tell from my avatar, I've learned to be skeptical of the endings of series. Actually, Saber being a servant is unable to attack the Holy Grail out of her own will, so Shirou has to use his command seal to allow her to destroy the grail. This is from the VN. |
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| Well at least they killed both of them, though these kinds of anime never end well. Stays a solid 6 for me. |
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Volt1993 said: Bobby_S said: Volt1993 said: Was I the only one that noticed that it didn't show whether Emiya used his command seal or not? he used all three: I mean, I've never read the VN so perhaps the scene of him using the last command seal is more detailed, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't distinctly show him using it even though Saber asked him to. Perhaps she did it out of her own volition, and this leaves room for a plot twist for a sequel or something, but I'm probably overanalyzing it. As you can tell from my avatar, I've learned to be skeptical of the endings of series. no i'm pretty sure they show it come off his hand although i dont know why he would need to command her to grant her own wish that what does not make sense to me. I thought he would only need to use the seal to make her drink from the cup so that she could stay with him |
| Can't say I really enjoyed the ending, but it doesn't change the fact that the show was good. Overall, not as good as Zero, but still enjoyable and memorable. |
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Volt1993 said: If that was the only thing that was bad about FSN anime then we wouldnt tell force people to avoid it and read the fucking visual novel.Bobby_S said: Volt1993 said: Was I the only one that noticed that it didn't show whether Emiya used his command seal or not? he used all three: I mean, I've never read the VN so perhaps the scene of him using the last command seal is more detailed, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't distinctly show him using it even though Saber asked him to. Perhaps she did it out of her own volition, and this leaves room for a plot twist for a sequel or something, but I'm probably overanalyzing it. As you can tell from my avatar, I've learned to be skeptical of the endings of series. |
| I came into this anime straight off Fate/Zero. This was not the "Piece Of Shit" other people have been saying it is, I thought it was a pretty nice. I enjoyed being able to piece some stuff I was confused about in Fate/Zero together as I watched this series. I also believe I spoiled myself about some stuff in the franchise, but in this anime I loved how they threw hints out about the other arcs in the game without distracting from the main arc they were animating. This anime also did something other anime adaptions of Visual Novels(CLANNAD) haven't, it makes want to find a copy of the game and play it. My score for Fate/Stay Night is 7/10. NEXT on the list Unlimited Blade Works. PS: The reason I use CLANNAD is because the anime was such a 'complete' experience I didn't feel the need to see the game. |
Volt1993 said: Nope.There is no twist for a sequel to that action.Bobby_S said: Volt1993 said: Was I the only one that noticed that it didn't show whether Emiya used his command seal or not? he used all three: I mean, I've never read the VN so perhaps the scene of him using the last command seal is more detailed, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't distinctly show him using it even though Saber asked him to. Perhaps she did it out of her own volition, and this leaves room for a plot twist for a sequel or something, but I'm probably overanalyzing it. As you can tell from my avatar, I've learned to be skeptical of the endings of series. |
iCards said: Do yourself a favor and read the Visual novel instead of watching the movie.I came into this anime straight off Fate/Zero. This was not the "Piece Of Shit" other people have been saying it is, I thought it was a pretty nice. I enjoyed being able to piece some stuff I was confused about in Fate/Zero together as I watched this series. I also believe I spoiled myself about some stuff in the franchise, but in this anime I loved how they threw hints out about the other arcs in the game without distracting from the main arc they were animating. This anime also did something other anime adaptions of Visual Novels(CLANNAD) haven't, it makes want to find a copy of the game and play it. My score for Fate/Stay Night is 7/10. NEXT on the list Unlimited Blade Works. PS: The reason I use CLANNAD is because the anime was such a 'complete' experience I didn't feel the need to see the game. |
| I have a couple of questions about this anime; but it will spoil you on Fate/Zero if you haven't seen that series. I saw Fate/Zero before Fate/Stay Night; so I was wondering (DON'T CLICK IF YOU DIDN'T SEE FATE/ZERO) : These questions in my opinion, unless someone can answer or if the manga/visual novel/whatever explains it, represent a big big big flaw in the anime series. Hard to blame which though... since Fate/Zero was so perfect, but came after Fate/Stay Night. As for this series, I was deceived they didn't talk about the Heroes' past as much as they did in Fate/Zero. It's a deception because it made us viewers closer to the characters. For instance, Lancer's death in Fate/Stay Night gave me no feeling whatsoever. They don't explain Sakura and Rin's blood link... even though we know if we watch Fate/Zero. Meh, many flaws, compared to the masterpiece that is the prequel. |
blobMar 18, 2013 4:03 PM
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| @ blob I think a lot of people who've only seen the Fate/stay night anime get confused like this. As far as Fate/Zero is concerned /stay night's anime adaptation may as well not even exist. The thing is that a lot of the stuff you mentioned, Such as Sakura's nature, her relationship with Rin, and Ilya's parentage are covered in the Visual novel but not in the route that the anime of /stay night adapted. Actually, I don't believe anything I just brought up was covered into the final route "Heaven's Feel", which just so happens to be the only route not animated as of yet. |
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blob said: I have a couple of questions about this anime; but it will spoil you on Fate/Zero if you haven't seen that series. I saw Fate/Zero before Fate/Stay Night; so I was wondering (DON'T CLICK IF YOU DIDN'T SEE FATE/ZERO) : These questions in my opinion, unless someone can answer or if the manga/visual novel/whatever explains it, represent a big big big flaw in the anime series. Hard to blame which though... since Fate/Zero was so perfect, but came after Fate/Stay Night. As for this series, I was deceived they didn't talk about the Heroes' past as much as they did in Fate/Zero. It's a deception because it made us viewers closer to the characters. For instance, Lancer's death in Fate/Stay Night gave me no feeling whatsoever. They don't explain Sakura and Rin's blood link... even though we know if we watch Fate/Zero. Meh, many flaws, compared to the masterpiece that is the prequel. This is the reason why Fate fans ALWAYS reccommend to read the Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel and the then read/watch Fate/Zero -Waver: -Sakura never was evil at the end of FZ.But -Zouken -Kirei -Saber -Kiritsugu,Iri The anime is a big flaw by itself that's why 99,9% of Fate/ fans say to stay away from it.As for the original source of both FZ and FSN which one is better depends on each individual fan. They didnt even talk about the humans,why would they talk about the Heroic Spirits.The backstories of the Servants of FSN are as big as those of FZ but they are scattered all over the place and are overshadowed by the backstories of Saber and Archer.It doesnt help that Alexander's Noble Phantasm is basically the best representation of a Servant's past.Dont expect much of char development by studio Deen.Although Lancer isnt that great till the 2nd route.Rider is literally nobody even in the VN until you reach the final route. That is the point.As I said before we arent supposed to know,Heck we arent supposed to know a lot till we reach the other routes(Archer's identity in UBW route,Rider's in HF,Sakura's past,Zouken,the Corruption of the Grail all in HF and others).The studio even tried to put their relationship in the anime with a retarded arc with Caster where Sakura was wearing latex lingerie....at that point I didnt know about the VN and I still found it ridiculous.They also failed to get the message across since half of the anime only viewers thought that Sakura and Rin were just childhood friends....:/ For now the only part of Heaven's Feel that we have animated(and by Ufotable) is this And no I dont count the PS2 HF OP since it might as well use the char sprites for the first 15 secs of the video. |
ssjokgMar 19, 2013 5:44 AM
ssjokg said: Hehe wow thanks, that's the kind of answer I was waiting for. What is Heaven's Feel btw? A sort of remake of FSN? |
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blob said: ssjokg said: Hehe wow thanks, that's the kind of answer I was waiting for. What is Heaven's Feel btw? A sort of remake of FSN? No it's a route in the VN, as in a story arc. There are three in Fate/stay night: Fate- The one this anime series is based on. Unlimited Blade Works - the one the movie of the same name is based on. Heavens Feel- which has no anime adaptation. Basically the VN at a certain point branches off into one of the three routes, they are their own continuity but at the same time each one of these routes builds off what you learn in the previous routes. Because of this you are required to read through the order I typed above. |
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| Now that I think about it Lancer's back story is only in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia for some reason. |
| A fitting end, a little sad at that but that's okay. 8/10 for me, good series. |
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ssjokg said: Now that I think about it Lancer's back story is only in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia for some reason. One of the reasons why I'm heavily anticipating the Ataraxia translation. |
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insan3soldiern said: ssjokg said: Now that I think about it Lancer's back story is only in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia for some reason. One of the reasons why I'm heavily anticipating the Ataraxia translation. It has reached 90%(without the validation I think)so it wont take that long....right? |
| Bitter ending really. I didn't played VN or read manga or watched Fate/zero yet, but i must say this is really good anime. Overall i give this anime 9. It is not 10 because it has that bitter ending, and there are really some good contradiction in some parts.Oh yes i almost forgot the music! One of best anime music i heard in this anime, one of most reason it got 9 from me, because it is closer to 8 then 10. If you ask me in that last scene it is almost like i thought wtf is this Archer? I think there is a lot of room left for another season of 24episodes with these main characters that survive in the end. Let me say this straight: "I don't think that Saber is dead!". Shiro said in the end that he has long path to walk until he reaches it(her). Eventually those two will be together because the grail will grant them that wish. One good thing about this anime is that there are so many possibilities and so may ways to bring back Saber back with Shiro. Main reason behind this is big veil mystery about grail. And yes this anime has abstract ending. If writers and stuff ever decide to bring up new season from this it will either be huge success or fail depending on how they decide to continue story. Only success i see in connecting Saber and Shiro again, of course there would be Rin and Archer in series too, but this time i would like to see some other way of fight not master and servant together, rather Shiro and Saber trying to meet each other and live in one world together. Lots of ideas are crossing my mind, lots of possibilities. |
| In overall very good anime. Nice love story, and story development in. It has super music!! One of main reason it got high mark from. Because of bitter and sad ending and large contradiction, i almost give it 8, but music and abstract ending save it of bare 9. I didn't read manga or VN, or watched Fate/Zero. I also wanted to see more Archer in scenes, one bad ass character. Ok to me was clear from the moment that those that crossed words there is some connection (i mean connection on personality). I must tell that in the last scene where Saber was brought by her night, i really got impression that that was Archer. In mine opinion there are a lot of ways to made new season with return of Saber and connecting her to Shiro again. Many ideas cross my mind, but i don't thing Saber is dead. Shiro said eventually he will reach it (her). There is big veil of mystery around holy grail power and granting wishes, so that is my main reason to think that after Saber completed what she wanted and died in past, she will be reborn in the future to be with Shiro or something like that, but point is Shiro has a path to cross first if he wants to meet her. One of mine main reason for her to be alive is also, the fact that there is no point in coming back to past, even if one can change the past future will be changed, if one survive someone else will die, there is no point in that. Point was that one cannot live in the past. The idea about past is similar to one in Code Geass, if someone watched you know what i mean. |
| Sad ending but I really enjoyed this series. |
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| For some reason I thought I was reading a Fate/Zero forum. When I saw all of the abuse the anime was getting I was really irritated, Fate/Zero was absolutely fantastic, just great. But Fate/Stay Night was just awful. The protagonist was a useless misogynist, I hated him all through the anime, it'll never go away either, as far as I'm concerned this anime doesn't exist, Saber didn't become some blushing simpleton and she remains the badass we adore in Fate/Zero. I almost didn't watch Fate/Zero, I didn't want to have to suffer through another awful anime following a pathetic moron who appears to believe that women should just sit at home and look nice. I fucking hate him. So much. ....... Still... Fate/Zero is worth watching, it's actually good. |
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JacobGrey93 said: Read the Visual novel.For some reason I thought I was reading a Fate/Zero forum. When I saw all of the abuse the anime was getting I was really irritated, Fate/Zero was absolutely fantastic, just great. But Fate/Stay Night was just awful. The protagonist was a useless misogynist, I hated him all through the anime, it'll never go away either, as far as I'm concerned this anime doesn't exist, Saber didn't become some blushing simpleton and she remains the badass we adore in Fate/Zero. I almost didn't watch Fate/Zero, I didn't want to have to suffer through another awful anime following a pathetic moron who appears to believe that women should just sit at home and look nice. I fucking hate him. So much. ....... Still... Fate/Zero is worth watching, it's actually good. FSN anime's characters are nothing like the originals |
| Great series but it's the classic japanese ending I'm getting used to. Here is a love story we have built over an entire series, and big surprise...it doesn't work out. I mean it wasn't on a Gantz level of here is a love story, psyche! but it's up there. |
lettuceman44 said: JacobGrey93 said: I just finished watching this, and pretty much this is how I feel.For some reason I thought I was reading a Fate/Zero forum. When I saw all of the abuse the anime was getting I was really irritated, Fate/Zero was absolutely fantastic, just great. But Fate/Stay Night was just awful. The protagonist was a useless misogynist, I hated him all through the anime, it'll never go away either, as far as I'm concerned this anime doesn't exist, Saber didn't become some blushing simpleton and she remains the badass we adore in Fate/Zero. I almost didn't watch Fate/Zero, I didn't want to have to suffer through another awful anime following a pathetic moron who appears to believe that women should just sit at home and look nice. I fucking hate him. So much. ....... Still... Fate/Zero is worth watching, it's actually good. Maybe I'll read the Visual Novel, but every episode I felt like I was saying how stupid Shirou is. Like, if I knew that my servant was King Arthur I would not act like freakin Shirou, I'd actually give her the RESPECT she deserves. Not like that idiot of a character Shirou who treated her like some damsel in distress even after knowing who she is. But she was a "damsel in distress" throughout the Fate route(anime). She survived both encounters with Berserker because of Shirou,survived the encounters with Gilgamesh because of Shirou,she found her answer because of Shirou. Hell even back in HER days she still was a "damsel in distress". |
| in the beginning of episode it is kinda creepy when shirou is inside angra manyu -_- btw nice fight.. especially when shirou and saber doing noble phantasm with avalon XD damn finally gilgamesh get killed after all this time :3 annddd finally it is end.. :( well it is not bad ending and not happy ending.. it is just good ending.. kinda sad when seeing saber in the end.. :/ |
Tahmid said: You dont just ruin the ending for a fan or two.Most people who have watched fate stay night want to see a new sequel season. i want so see it very much. people who share my thoughts please please like my page and show you'r support https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Sequel-Season-of-Fatestay-night/162184767276706 And because I know that what you want is a SaberxShirou sequel know that it cant-in-any-way happen. |
Tahmid said: Most people who have watched fate stay night want to see a new sequel season. i want so see it very much. people who share my thoughts please please like my page and show you'r support https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Sequel-Season-of-Fatestay-night/162184767276706 There won't be a new season, the only thing possible is an adaptation of the HF route from the VN which "I" think is greatly superior than the other 2. I want ufotable to do this but DEEN still has the rights for F/SN so right now having that HF route adaptation would be unlikely but I'm still hoping. |
ShiyaNuu said: It is.Tahmid said: Most people who have watched fate stay night want to see a new sequel season. i want so see it very much. people who share my thoughts please please like my page and show you'r support https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Sequel-Season-of-Fatestay-night/162184767276706 There won't be a new season, the only thing possible is an adaptation of the HF route from the VN which "I" think is greatly superior than the other 2. Lets just hope it wont be done by Deen. |
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ShiyaNuu said: Tahmid said: I loved fate stay night. i know there is no novel sequel to it. i can write novels. that's why i created my page. if type-moon will launch a new sequel season i will be happy to write a novel on it. so please please like my page https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Sequel-Season-of-Fatestay-night/162184767276706 Kineta said: Section I: General Site Guidelines The following rules are secondary to the Terms of Use. 1. Providing or requesting links to copyrighted, non-fair use material is not allowed. 2. Do not upload any NSFM (Not safe for MAL) images to the site (including user and club images). 3. Trolling, abuse, and/or harassment will not be tolerated. 4. Impersonating another member of the site is not allowed. 5. Do not spam or advertise on MAL. Please report rule violations to the moderators using the Report links or this form. Do not attempt to address or correct the situation yourself. Bold part, read and no I won't like your page, go do a fanfic or something and send it to nasu. Nasu:"Did this guy pay any attention to the show?" |
Tahmid said: i love fate stay night but i think i would be better if the ending was happy. trajic ending makes it different but endings should always be happy. The ending is bittersweet not tragic. YOU as the viewer,if you paid attention, should know that she would "die" in the end. And no it shouldnt be happy if it contradicts what was established by the plot. |
makarov52 said: in the beginning of episode it is kinda creepy when shirou is inside angra manyu -_- btw nice fight.. especially when shirou and saber doing noble phantasm with avalon XD damn finally gilgamesh get killed after all this time :3 annddd finally it is end.. :( well it is not bad ending and not happy ending.. it is just good ending.. kinda sad when seeing saber in the end.. :/ Congratulations on having finished the inferior version of FSN. That's most likely why its juts "good" ending. Tahmid said: i love fate stay night but i think i would be better if the ending was happy. trajic ending makes it different but endings should always be happy. you must be new here. let me tell how Type Moon endings work: - ANGST. - TEARS. - DEATHS. - UNHAPPINESS. - PLOT TWISTS. - SEPARATION. Mind you there's always a note of positivity in them(hence why DEEN adaptations fail), but its never truly happy. |
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Fai said: This isnt always true.makarov52 said: in the beginning of episode it is kinda creepy when shirou is inside angra manyu -_- btw nice fight.. especially when shirou and saber doing noble phantasm with avalon XD damn finally gilgamesh get killed after all this time :3 annddd finally it is end.. :( well it is not bad ending and not happy ending.. it is just good ending.. kinda sad when seeing saber in the end.. :/ Congratulations on having finished the inferior version of FSN. That's most likely why its juts "good" ending. Tahmid said: i love fate stay night but i think i would be better if the ending was happy. trajic ending makes it different but endings should always be happy. you must be new here. let me tell how Type Moon endings work: - ANGST. - TEARS. - DEATHS. - UNHAPPINESS. - PLOT TWISTS. - SEPARATION. Too bad that Saber doesnt get a different ending... |
ssjokg said: Fai said: This isnt always true.makarov52 said: in the beginning of episode it is kinda creepy when shirou is inside angra manyu -_- btw nice fight.. especially when shirou and saber doing noble phantasm with avalon XD damn finally gilgamesh get killed after all this time :3 annddd finally it is end.. :( well it is not bad ending and not happy ending.. it is just good ending.. kinda sad when seeing saber in the end.. :/ Congratulations on having finished the inferior version of FSN. That's most likely why its juts "good" ending. Tahmid said: i love fate stay night but i think i would be better if the ending was happy. trajic ending makes it different but endings should always be happy. you must be new here. let me tell how Type Moon endings work: - ANGST. - TEARS. - DEATHS. - UNHAPPINESS. - PLOT TWISTS. - SEPARATION. Too bad that Saber doesnt get a different ending... You missed the last sentence which covers it. Each type moon ending is "realistically happy" - as in nothing just suddenly becomes "happily living after"-able and instead certain sacrifices are to be made, as life goes on. Its never church wedding with wings beneath my wings playing as background. There's always undertone of sadness, with focus on positive outlook towards the outcome. Even |
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Fai said: ssjokg said: Fai said: This isnt always true.makarov52 said: in the beginning of episode it is kinda creepy when shirou is inside angra manyu -_- btw nice fight.. especially when shirou and saber doing noble phantasm with avalon XD damn finally gilgamesh get killed after all this time :3 annddd finally it is end.. :( well it is not bad ending and not happy ending.. it is just good ending.. kinda sad when seeing saber in the end.. :/ Congratulations on having finished the inferior version of FSN. That's most likely why its juts "good" ending. Tahmid said: i love fate stay night but i think i would be better if the ending was happy. trajic ending makes it different but endings should always be happy. you must be new here. let me tell how Type Moon endings work: - ANGST. - TEARS. - DEATHS. - UNHAPPINESS. - PLOT TWISTS. - SEPARATION. Too bad that Saber doesnt get a different ending... You missed the last sentence which covers it. Each type moon ending is "realistically happy" - as in nothing just suddenly becomes "happily living after"-able and instead certain sacrifices are to be made, as life goes on. Its never church wedding with wings beneath my wings playing as background. There's always undertone of sadness, with focus on positive outlook towards the outcome. [ I dont think that shippers care about that...Who cares if Sakura or Ilya die if it brings Saber and Shirou together etc... |
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