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Leon-Gun said: Cholisose said: Your comment restored a little hope in me after so many comments completely bashing this two episodes (probably because OMGBBQ NO KIREI/GIL/RIDER !) even though they were completely necessary. In fact, most people should have expected Kiritsugu backstory after his role started to increase (erradicating two masters over the course of a single night without having to break a sweat and his icy breakup with Saber) and Kirei's own scalation in importance should have also given it a few flags since from the very start of the series Kirei and Kiritsugu have been both interested and wary of one another and both's importance seemingly escalated at an equal pace.Absolutely loving this series. These two flashback episodes have really fleshed out Kiritsugu, and made him (arguably) the most fascinating character in the series. The show did a great job getting across a ton of emotional drama for Kiritsugu and Natalia without having to explain everything to us. Excellent storytelling. honestly, looking at the poll and it's pretty clear that the number of people who enjoyed the episode totally overwhelms those who dislike it, it's just that as usual haters tend to be much more vocal about their opinion than casual watchers. |
| Man I can't believe I read the Maiya spoilers... |
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Kenatsu said: What is there that you can't believe after seeing 19episodes of FateZero? You don't think they are going to kill her in the worst possible way?(Lets me make this clear I have no freaking idea about the Novel, I never read it nor I read any spoiler. Do I even need one?)Man I can't believe I read the Maiya spoilers... FZ is good and all but they way they take on their character is way too much that it becomes so boring to watch most of time. It is just a personal opinion and you don't have to tell me that. Well maybe I am just not a fan of Urobuchi Gen I always find his characters are boring to follow. |
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| WOW very nice episode... is like watch a movie... |
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| Natalia ;_; |
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| At least Natalia died a glorious death... The scene was very touching. |
| Couldn't Natalia made a parachute out of something? |
Lang said: Couldn't Natalia made a parachute out of something? that would been too much of a PIS moment cuz shes not omnipotent... plus it would defeat the purpose of kiritsugu's characterization |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Lang said: Couldn't Natalia made a parachute out of something? that would been too much of a PIS moment cuz shes not omnipotent... plus it would defeat the purpose of kiritsugu's characterization Within the context of the universe, the main reason is that she does everything in order to best guarantee her own survival. Since she didn't know that Kerry would blast her out of the sky, her best bet was to try to land the plane since it would be dangerous to try to make a parachute and even more dangerous to use it. |
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ataraxial said: SInce you know, it's a JET. Even if she somehow managed to make a makeshift parachute, she'd probably end up getting sucked into the engine.BloodRequiem said: Lang said: Couldn't Natalia made a parachute out of something? that would been too much of a PIS moment cuz shes not omnipotent... plus it would defeat the purpose of kiritsugu's characterization Within the context of the universe, the main reason is that she does everything in order to best guarantee her own survival. Since she didn't know that Kerry would blast her out of the sky, her best bet was to try to land the plane since it would be dangerous to try to make a parachute and even more dangerous to use it. |
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Lang said: Couldn't Natalia made a parachute out of something? http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-04-15/local/17919738_1_parachute-boy-s-body-roof http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091006105355AAbqlDw This is a really, really bad idea. As in, I can’t even emphasize how bad of an idea this is. A towel or a collection of blankets will not allow you to glide as in Disney’s Aladdin, and unless you’re in the weight range of 2-3 pounds, such a makeshift parachute will not support your weight. Do not try this. |
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Change, change the form of man. Free the might from fleshy mire. Boil the blood in heart of fire. Gone, gone the form of man. Rise the demon, Etrigan! |
| why do people die when they are killed? Why don't they have plot armour? |
| best flashback ever. Kerry really is awesome. |
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| I liked it even more now than when I watched it last week. Truly a great episode. The whole talk between Kiritsugu and Natalia to when he breaks down is just really emotional and almost difficult to watch. I like all the new soundtracks in this episode too; there were quite a lot of them. |
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wigglejelly said: Become evil to get rid of a larger evil. That's like, Kiritsugu's whole creed. And she was "like his mom" but he killed his father to rid of the world of the danger of a magus that could potentially unleash vampire infestations anywhere, you think he would have chosen his "mom" and risk potentially unleashing a horde of Ghouls on New York City? The whole reason for the two episode flashback is to show how Kiritsugu turned from a normal kid to a killer who'd do anything to get his objective of peace. Why not save her and kill all the zombies instead ? Why care for the unknown people more instead of your mom ? weird. His choice is like a psychopath just like his voice. And for those who remember Unlimited Blade Works, Kiritsugu is like a more twisted version of Archer. Archer tried his hardest to save everyone if a chance remained, Kiritsugu would just kill them or let them die so as not to risk it. |
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| I did not see the rocket launcher coming lol Why is Kiritsugu's back-story so much better than the main plot? I agree. The plot is meh but whenever we get to see the characters stories it becomes interesting. |
ValaskjalfMay 21, 2012 1:57 PM
| Very powerful episode and really great to learn about his past. Not really sure how people can say they hate these flashbacks, they were great and shed light on many aspects of the fate series. Also, very very sad moment in fate history with the death of Kinpatsu-kun. He will never be forgotten and will remain one of the most tragic stories in anime history. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5cIjaRrvRY BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: Yumekichi11 said: Quick though: was Kiritsugu's mentality after the shit that happened from last episode and the info of this episode like so….”Fuck everything as long as I can put to rest what started my Hell and rest….” could it be he lives only to stop all this for his FIRST LOVE! That would be Shirley as he blushed at that part in the last episode? Can it be though of like that of his mental change? No I dont think so.He literally breaks down after Natalia's death unlike what happened with Shirley.When he left the island he just seemed cold for a kid that was playing around before all hell broke loose.And in 1st season he asks Iri if he should grab her and Ilya and run away from all that so I doubt that Shirley is what keeps him going. tbh the problem is that they stretched half a chapters worth of material into an episode which seemed almost filler like perhaps if they merged it with a bit of heart of freaks then i would find it acceptable heres my interpretation: natalia's death is quite similar to HF natalia was killed by his own hands so of course it was going to have more of an impact on him I think you might be missing the point of HF, it's the exact opposite of what we see happen in these flashbacks |
Valaskjalf said: I did not see the rocket launcher coming lol Why is Kiritsugu's back-story so much better than the main plot? I agree. The plot is meh but whenever we get to see the characters stories it becomes interesting. This. It sheds more light on Kiritsugu's character than we get to see for any of the other characters. |
| What the hell did I just watch? I didn't buy his childhood love story at all... But the relationship between him and his master and "mother" who took him in and gave him everything, that I found special. I was even anticipating that the ghouls would burst in last minute and cut their heart to heart talk short. For him to do it all in the name of a 5 minute arc devoted to his childhood first love really weakens his character and the credibility of the story. I don't know what to say...that was the first episode in the entire series that has left a bad taste in my mouth. Everything that happened was great storytelling, all but the fact that he did it in the name of Shirly. Although I will admit the build up and execution, as much as I hate what happened, was done perfectly. From the slow assembly of the rocket to the tension on the plane. |
AzureBluesMay 29, 2012 12:38 AM
| @AzureBlues What are you talking about? He wasn't doing it in the name of Shirley. |
He probably was confused by Kiritsugu's line "See Shirley, I didn't make the same mistake this time like what I did with you" or something like that. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Hmm, you can still consider it as him having some regrets about his first love, although the truth is half-half. He became this way BECAUSE of Shirley, but he's not doing it FOR Shirley. If you see it properly he "fails" Shirley by not killing her while she was still madly trying to keep what little remained of her humanity. As such, when he pulls the trigger and destroys the plane, he breaks down and basically says "I can save people now, I don't hesitate anymore" to Shirley, the one he hesitated to stop. and "save". He can't really direct those words to Natalia because Natalia disagrees with his lifestyle choice (Natalia believes in self-preservation, while Kiritsugu chose to save as most people as possible no matter the sacrifices, that sacrifice can include he himself).He probably was confused by Kiritsugu's line "See Shirley, I didn't make the same mistake this time like what I did with you" or something like that. |
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| how could he have killed his fake mother... damn it i thought the door would have broken down or something... a person you know's life is much more valuable than strangers;/ learn that kerry |
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| To be Kiritsugu is to suffer. AND THOSE BEEDRILL ARE CRAZY! XD |
| "No matter how much of a genius one is, in front of the Uchiha name, they're just ordinary people." - Sasuke Uchiha |
| Well this episode was a very nice complement to the last one, now it really got to me. |
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| Why is it that whenever Gen is even remotely associated with a project, something fucking awful will happen? And we, or at least, I, would be expecting it to happen but when it does happen it feels like total kick in the face? Kiritsugu is a fucking bastard. Although I would do the same, there's like an infinite amount of solutions for that situation. I know plot armor is bullcrap but plot antiarmor is just as full of crap or even more so. "I wasn't prepared for an emergency skydive". The fuck? She's a professional that's been doing crazy shit for years, jumping into a job that's on a plane, but bringing a bunch of guns instead of maybe a parachute? They could have had her have a parachute like a smart professional but still kill her off. Amazing episode. All in all, her surviving zombie bees is much less likely then her bringing a parachute (or emergency device, since there's boatloads of magic). |
| The chip in my mind, it summons me. I gave my life to your machines. |
| Since episode 16 (or whichever one he killed Lancer's team in), I've considered Kiritsugu to be the most interesting character in this series (with characters like Kirei, Gil, Saber, and Rider that's saying a lot) and it was...uncomfortable to see what formed him. I was starting to get uncomfortable as he got the RPG from that dealer but it wasn't until he actually pulled it out while on the boat that I was like "oh no...". I think Kiritsugu is a good example of how following the "logical" path can cause someone a lot of pain. Sure, by killing Natalia he spared a lot of lives...but that has to take it's tole and the scene of him breaking down crying really went a long way to show that. I still can't agree with his way of doing things but I can't deny that there is some merit to his actions. I guess we'll see to what extremes he takes his ideal going forward. |
Ston3_FreeN7Jun 28, 2012 11:07 PM
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Looking at what happened last episode, and how they finished this one, well that's pure genius writing. The moment he pick up that missile launcher... shivers down the spine were felt. |
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| holy fuck this ep was great |
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| Truly great episode! Love Kiritsugu's background story! |
 "Only the dead have seen the end of war". ~Plato~ |
| Beautiful and sad episode. Excellent. Enough said. |
| One messed up childhood, explains why he turned out so cold. ONe sad episode |
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| I really liked Natalia. She was great , fuck you.. Kiritsugu. |
| Poor Kiritsugu... Those past two episodes have been so sad :-( |
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| aww that was really sad... but I liked the backstory a lot. |
| "Our everyday lives may, in fact, be a series of miracles." - Nichijou |
| Great episode,felt bad for him |
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| That was just fucking sad. :( This whole episode reminded me of Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom. |
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| Very touching episode, "doing what you should all the time, instead of what you want is no way to be a man"... what is the true cost of doing what is right all the time. Yumekichi11 said: This episode was very emotional for me. I cannot believe that Natalia is dead! I am totally WTF and thus did not comment right away personally. To that effect for me it was a ordeal for the following,  500 frames reduced down to a beauty GIF and Natalia’s death belongs in this thread. It was that scene that tears could not stop. Once realized that she really went up in flames it was excruciating PAIN! It could not stop at all and tears kept on going. Even now it still hurts emotionally. Seeing Natalia in the following,  It was a refreshing last smile and laughter to remember for me. Hence I made that GIF. Natalia there really has this last happiness feeling. I appreciated that expression of her. While I admit that last moment in the spoiler Finally what really made GO BONKERS and JAW DROPPED is Kiritsugu in the spoiler To end Natalia will be in my BRAIN and my HEART! Despite being fictional. BTW Image Stitches and Image Dumb DONE! http://ecchiking99.blogspot.ca/2012/05/fatezero-2nd-season-episode-6-image.html Many Kiritsugu fans will love this! GIFs are done in the club: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=441055&pages=1&show=0#msg14754265 NATALIA! T_T That’s all. Totally agree with you, and gif, best scene of the episode. |
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| Well I think one life can mean more than many other lives but it's a matter of perspective. |
| Man, what an epic episode, it put chills down my spine. Man, what a hard decision to make =(. I can't believe he did that! T_T He could have let the plane land, have his teacher break through the front window and then shoot the plane! Whhyyyy. |
 "I like to expose what people hide. I'm an intellectual rapist." - Furudo Erika |
DarkShards said: Man, what an epic episode, it put chills down my spine. Man, what a hard decision to make =(. I can't believe he did that! T_T He could have let the plane land, have his teacher break through the front window and then shoot the plane! Whhyyyy. 17 pages of explaining why he had to..... |
| So sad... so Natalia in Season 1 was just a flashback, not something happened nearly before the Grail war. These two episodes were amazing, now I feel Kiritsugu should win, he is the most complex character and I believe in his reasons to save more people he can. Tragedy after tragedy. 5/5 |
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| Ep 18 and 19 have been the best so far. They actually made me care about the character unlike the rest which mostly felt like visual flair more than anything else. |
| Awwww emotion at the end =[ |
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wigglejelly said: Why not save her and kill all the zombies instead ? Why care for the unknown people more instead of your mom ? weird. His choice is like a psychopath just like his voice. 100% agreed i loved the last 2 episodes (in fact i loved every single episode of this season), but idk.... this 1 particular thing, his reasoning etc. for actually killing his "mother", a person so close to him... for total strangers.. without being completely certain that others wouldve actually died... i found that weak ! shirley + natalia really like(d) these 2 characters kiritsugu (a character i wouldve usually liked), not so much ! idk why.. but i cant stand him (+ he had lancer commit suicide, fu! (btw.. lancers death-scene was epic) |
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Romeo said: wigglejelly said: Why not save her and kill all the zombies instead ? Why care for the unknown people more instead of your mom ? weird. His choice is like a psychopath just like his voice. 100% agreed i loved the last 2 episodes (in fact i loved every single episode of this season), but idk.... this 1 particular thing, his reasoning etc. for actually killing his "mother", a person so close to him... for total strangers.. without being completely certain that others wouldve actually died... i found that weak ! shirley + natalia really like(d) these 2 characters kiritsugu (a character i wouldve usually liked), not so much ! idk why.. but i cant stand him (+ he had lancer commit suicide, fu! (btw.. lancers death-scene was epic) Because these two episodes weren't done well. You get to see how broken Kiritsugu is as a person in the novels. And no he can't save Natalia and destroy the plane once it lands at an airport. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
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