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Apr 6, 2012 9:59 AM
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Editor in chief didn't like the idea of ending Reversi but he did it anyway and went to talk to the anime producer and director. It ended with both the black and white demon fall to their death. The last chapter got 1st place with the questionnaire.
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Bullshit ending
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Seriously awesome ending

I'm glad the anime people didn't make a fuss about it and I can totally see people being more willing to buy the series when they know its both relatively short and extremely good.
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That was awesome.

Though the ending of Reversi is much shorter than when Eiji ended Crow.

And I was really expecting a fight between the Editor in Chief and the Anime Staff... but it was too convenient for me, I was expecting some arguments about it.

Well, this makes it much closer to Azuki and Mashiro's wedding. I cannot wait for it... but I hope it is not the end of it. Even if the dream is fulfilled, I wish to see the life of a married mangaka. And Ohba-sensei and Obata-sensei could probably end it with Mashiro and Miho's kid having a dream of being a mangaka... something like that.
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Apr 6, 2012 11:45 PM
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there wasn't fight with editor in chief becuase he changed, I think that there could be some problems with previous one as there was alwasy some problems with him.

Now all that's left is a question... is bakuman will follow reversi steps?

Also with anime staff... I think it's better to make anime from short series (if they don't plan to make it Long) as then they can follow manga, and have real ending (no some half-a...)
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What now?....
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I think anime staff are also more willing to adapt a short and intense story into a manga too. It's easier for fans to collect the DVDs, and each episode is a gem, having no fillers. Such a show is a guaranteed hit run for network ratings.
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One step closer to the wedding!!
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it was awesome!
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If the ending to Reversi felt at all week, I have to say it probably has to do with the fact that we as a reader, really never saw the progression of the story and artwork of Reversi itself. Sure, we got explanations by Ashirogi, and many scenes saying it was popular, but we couldn't follow it as a reader of Reversi and had limitations.

But, I'm glad that they were able to end it how they wanted and get the results they were hoping for. Albeit, a bit convenient, but I didn't mind. It has been what they've been working for.
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I'm curious to know what will happen after the obvious... There will likely be sales reports of the volumes of Reversi post-ending, anime ratings, wedding then... will it be over? or will it go on after they are married. To be honest I kind of hope it does so long as they can do something good with it. It bugs me when series end exactly the way you expect them to and doesn't give any explanation as to what happens after the ending. Dunno why but I wanna know what happens after their [H A P P Y E N D!]

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Bakuman will be ending soon.. I guess.
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Well that was awesome. Even though you can't read Reversi yourself and understand the ending it was still great to read.
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Bakuman will be ending soon.. I guess.


i give it 5-10 chapter at max.
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I'd love to read Reversi it sounds awesome.
Great chapter.
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If those last two pages were the ending of the manga for reversi where you see the protagonists lying butt naked on the streets all of a sudden with a ton of people around them, I would of first...laughed my ass off then proceed to tear the manga or issue.

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Y'know, as much as I would love to see the manga keep going for a while, I hope Ohba and Obata end it shortly after this.

My prediction is - Reversi Anime a success, Azuki and Mashiro get married, then maybe a flash-forward showing Azuki/Mashiro's and Takagi/Kaya's kids as best friends dreaming of being like their parents.
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And reversi ended in the best way, the all happy end is still building. The wedding is closer, too.
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Nice chapter...
I think now they will just show de sales of the last 2 volumes of Reversi, showing that Ashirogi Muto won against Niizuma Eiji, then de debut of the anime, Saiko and Miho getting married and short time-skip to show how the other characters are doing.
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I love how people are quickly jumping to the conclusion that Bakuman is about to end. While the dream between Azuki and Mashiro is nearer closer don't forget they have a bit of a rivalry with Eiji, plus I've seen no indication or sources saying the manga is going to end ... surely if a long running series as going to end we would have multiple sources/articles about it right ?

On topic with the manga, I think its awesome how Bakuman basically reflects the people of life. From the trolls of the internet who don't believe in the meaning of happiness or have hearts to the manga readers at school who understand how most shounen manga work expecting the manga to continue with some sort of new enemy like "gray" to drag it on.

With the Reversi done with and fulfulling its goals I assume we'll be looking at a small fast forward to hearing Azuki's voice on the anime before we proceed to the wedding, I can't wait to see how life changes for them now they have fulfilled their dreams.
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I love how people are quickly jumping to the conclusion that Bakuman is about to end. While the dream between Azuki and Mashiro is nearer closer don't forget they have a bit of a rivalry with Eiji, plus I've seen no indication or sources saying the manga is going to end ... surely if a long running series as going to end we would have multiple sources/articles about it right ?


Well no.
It's possible for a mangaka to not make the ending date public, just like Ashirogi did this chapter. In some others case they advertise it a few chapter before it actually end (like 3-5 chapters before the actual end).
And some attention whore mangaka will tell you months before it actually end.
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"after their dreams come true, will it end?"

Like before it's the same question til now huh? :)
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AzureRevolver said:
I love how people are quickly jumping to the conclusion that Bakuman is about to end. While the dream between Azuki and Mashiro is nearer closer don't forget they have a bit of a rivalry with Eiji, plus I've seen no indication or sources saying the manga is going to end ... surely if a long running series as going to end we would have multiple sources/articles about it right ?

On topic with the manga, I think its awesome how Bakuman basically reflects the people of life. From the trolls of the internet who don't believe in the meaning of happiness or have hearts to the manga readers at school who understand how most shounen manga work expecting the manga to continue with some sort of new enemy like "gray" to drag it on.

With the Reversi done with and fulfulling its goals I assume we'll be looking at a small fast forward to hearing Azuki's voice on the anime before we proceed to the wedding, I can't wait to see how life changes for them now they have fulfilled their dreams.
You sound like the people in the classroom who were arguing whether or not reversi would end or not which turned out to be true. If bakuman is continued past azuki and mashiro's wedding it's going to get really boring since the whole idea of the series is seein your dreams come true. They might stretch on to the fact that they still want to beat Eiji but I can only see that goon for 10-15 chapters because i think they already beat him with reversi. The idea of the past few chapters is the artist should be allowed to end a manga when they want to so...
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Well no.
It's possible for a mangaka to not make the ending date public, just like Ashirogi did this chapter. In some others case they advertise it a few chapter before it actually end (like 3-5 chapters before the actual end).
And some attention whore mangaka will tell you months before it actually end.


Thats actually a very good point and I had not thought about it in that way, with resources today usually news like a series ending comes out one way or another ... then again never had much experience with it and manga.

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You sound like the people in the classroom who were arguing whether or not reversi would end or not which turned out to be true. If bakuman is continued past azuki and mashiro's wedding it's going to get really boring since the whole idea of the series is seein your dreams come true. They might stretch on to the fact that they still want to beat Eiji but I can only see that goon for 10-15 chapters because i think they already beat him with reversi. The idea of the past few chapters is the artist should be allowed to end a manga when they want to so...


True true, I see a difference in this though since with Reversi the idea of it was to defeat the main foe and people contemplating a whole new fought altogether to keep it going like they do with other shounen series (ex: Bleach with the Fullbring arc). I suppose the way I see it there would be some loose ends if they ended it right away but now that I think about it other series have done the same ... (My head hurts now)
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Wedding wedding! I can't wait!
and there won't be a Bakuman season 4...
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Bullshit ending

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Reversi ended nicely IMO. Like it was said here we couldn't follow the series so the ending can't leave such an impact on us. But I can magine that it must have been huge for those that read it. I always loved unpredictable endings like this so if this ever gets its own series irl, I'm sure I would love it. Although I'd much rather see PCP than Reversi. BUT I feel like this went a little too easily. The whole chapter gave me that feeling. I mean, the editor in chief agreeing, the anime stuff being happy about it (in the end), the ending being popular and very well received, the authors being satisfied with that. It felt a bit... I don't know... TOO slice-of-life-ish/ordinary/boring and too perfect. I felt like it was losing its rythm. That being said, I wonder what manga they will make next and whether Bakuman ends after Mashiro and Azuki marry.
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What's killing me right now is what is going to happen now 0.o They already reached there dream of getting an anime and 1st place.. now what? xD
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nice they got to end it in the best way possible, reminds me of death note lol anyway hopefully they can get that wedding xD
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It really does seem its going to end, why would they show characters we barely remember just all of a sudden, if i was a mangaka before the manga ends i would probably show the secondary characters so people remembers who they are. besides this, there is a lot of hints about it ending. i though it wasnt going to end some weeks ago but now I changed my mind.
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If they dont show there is something else to cover in the next chapter it will be ending very soon.
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looks like its almost over. it does seem like its going to end soon . though there are still things to do left and can be continued , i hope bakuman will come to a great ending.

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I hope Ohba and Obata team up and make another manga after this
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Epilogue highly likely next chapter...

And yeah, the Reversi's ending felt "weak" for us maybe because we never really learned a lot in the actual progression of Reversi. Along with it, comes ending of Bakuman too... But I see the author's point of view right now, it just doesn't feel like worth it continuing Bakuman anymore.

I mean, they've reached an ending pretty much and it's just going to be repeating the same "oh we gotta win, we got guts and stuff" if they tried to continue Bakuman further and it'd be hecka boring... Good time to end the series at this point.
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Wedding wedding! I can't wait!
and there won't be a Bakuman season 4...


what, they won't animate ending of reversi? <.<
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I love how people are quickly jumping to the conclusion that Bakuman is about to end. While the dream between Azuki and Mashiro is nearer closer don't forget they have a bit of a rivalry with Eiji, plus I've seen no indication or sources saying the manga is going to end ... surely if a long running series as going to end we would have multiple sources/articles about it right ?

On topic with the manga, I think its awesome how Bakuman basically reflects the people of life. From the trolls of the internet who don't believe in the meaning of happiness or have hearts to the manga readers at school who understand how most shounen manga work expecting the manga to continue with some sort of new enemy like "gray" to drag it on.

With the Reversi done with and fulfulling its goals I assume we'll be looking at a small fast forward to hearing Azuki's voice on the anime before we proceed to the wedding, I can't wait to see how life changes for them now they have fulfilled their dreams.


Why it is going to end, a list by me:
1. They have beaten Eiji in the questionarries.
2. With them ending Reversi it is strongly suggested that they will go above Eiji in sales, thus beating him in all areas.
3. It is strongly suggested that the ultimate goal of the manga will be completed very soon when Reversis anime starts and Mashiro can marry Mihou.
4. The other characters have taken a backseat the last, idk, 50 chapters? They dont really have any big sideplots for any other characters going right now, which fits good if Bakuman is going to end.
5. The ending of a series is not always announced long in advance, as you've also seen in this chapter.
6. It is strongly suggested several times during the manga that Reversi will be Ashirogis ultimate piece. Having them create another, more ultimate piece, would ruin the whole Reversi arc.
7. During bakuman, there have been strong suggestions that prolonging a manga is "bad". Why would they then go ahead and prolong Bakuman?


Perhaps i've forgotten some indications, but w/e. I'm not saying it will end in the next chapter, just soon. They have some things to take care of, like showing us how the sales really go, having a talk between Ashirogi and Eiji, the wedding etc. But this is all the "ending phase" as i would like to call it.

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Why it is going to end, a list by me:
1. They have beaten Eiji in the questionarries.
2. With them ending Reversi it is strongly suggested that they will go above Eiji in sales, thus beating him in all areas.
3. It is strongly suggested that the ultimate goal of the manga will be completed very soon when Reversis anime starts and Mashiro can marry Mihou.
4. The other characters have taken a backseat the last, idk, 50 chapters? They dont really have any big sideplots for any other characters going right now, which fits good if Bakuman is going to end.
5. The ending of a series is not always announced long in advance, as you've also seen in this chapter.
6. It is strongly suggested several times during the manga that Reversi will be Ashirogis ultimate piece. Having them create another, more ultimate piece, would ruin the whole Reversi arc.
7. During bakuman, there have been strong suggestions that prolonging a manga is "bad". Why would they then go ahead and prolong Bakuman?


Perhaps i've forgotten some indications, but w/e. I'm not saying it will end in the next chapter, just soon. They have some things to take care of, like showing us how the sales really go, having a talk between Ashirogi and Eiji, the wedding etc. But this is all the "ending phase" as i would like to call it.


I agree with you completely except for 6th point. You're forgetting one thing. This is about authors' life so any fan of Bakuman hardly wants them to end their career with Reversi. It's clear that they HAVE TO continue with something in Shounen Jump (since it's the focus of the manga) after Reversi ends. And since it would be just stupid if they made worse manga (that would kinda kill the point of getting better), they have to make something of at least equal quality. IMO that would be the perfect moment to end the manga (even better than/as good manga as Reversi that will last long and can get an anime). But I do agree that this will probably end soon since they are slowly reaching their goals.
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Now if only Death Note was allowed to end like that.
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meh I don't really like the ending or lack of resistance from the editorial team. especially the stir and trouble they caused when their other series ended.

they should have had to come up with a new plan for a series already.

I really don't care for the wedding, I'd like to see what their next work would be and the actual manga they make in more detail.
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meh I don't really like the ending or lack of resistance from the editorial team. especially the stir and trouble they caused when their other series ended.

they should have had to come up with a new plan for a series already.

I really don't care for the wedding, I'd like to see what their next work would be and the actual manga they make in more detail.


As said in this chapter, this is a totally different scenario, and the editors can see that. When they ended Tanto, it was just because they wanted to really. This time they end it to benefit the fans and the sales (and this the company). Also, Hattori seems to be one of the older and better editors they have and just ignoring his opinion when he is willing to even quit his job is just insane IMO. The new editor in chief is also not the old editor in chief, who were much stricter with things like this.

And they dont need to come up with a new series, they already have 2 going. They probably dont want another time consuming series going straight after Reversi because the wedding and all the things surrounding Mashiros and Mihous wedding. Also, they are putting all their efforts into making Reversi the best it can be, which is very time consuming for them it seems.

Bakuman has never been about going into detail about the manga the characters create, more about the progress around creating a manga, dreams and relationships (even if this part is severely lacking).

So really, everything you complain about have a very simple and logical explanation IMO.

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I agree with you completely except for 6th point. You're forgetting one thing. This is about authors' life so any fan of Bakuman hardly wants them to end their career with Reversi. It's clear that they HAVE TO continue with something in Shounen Jump (since it's the focus of the manga) after Reversi ends. And since it would be just stupid if they made worse manga (that would kinda kill the point of getting better), they have to make something of at least equal quality. IMO that would be the perfect moment to end the manga (even better than/as good manga as Reversi that will last long and can get an anime). But I do agree that this will probably end soon since they are slowly reaching their goals.


I agree that Ashirogi will continue creating manga in Jump, but i meant that writing about them creating another piece would just be prolonging since:
a) They create an even more ultimate piece, which makes the Reversi arc useless
b) They create something that is as good as reversi, but why would it be interesting to read about that? it would just be a re-hash of the Reversi arc
c) They create a piece that is worse than reversi, but as you say, that would just be plain stupid.

But i can definitely see them having a couple of chapters about the authors lives after they are married etc, seeing them briefly creating more manga. But i dont see Bakuman taking the road of going into detail about these mangas, since it would either be a re-hash, a step back or prolonging.
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I can't believe it's ending...this is just depressing. But I suppose it is for the best, as the autors themselves have explained with this entire arc. Still... ;_;

I wanna read Reversi now! I get that we, the readers, couldn't really comprehend the pure epicness of the final scenes of the last chapter because we didn't read the story from the beginning through to the conclusion, but it was still great. The artwork was wonderful. ^^=

I can't wait til their wedding. I'm glad it's getting closer and that they'll be married when Ashirogi's the top mangaka, but I still wanna see one last epic showdown between them and Niizuma-kun. He hasn't gotten any glory in a while, but he's their only real rival.

Still, I just loved Niizuma-kun's face as he was reading Reversi's final chapter. Adorabl. =^^=
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Crow's ending was better, but that was kinda cool too.
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Anybody else feel like the author is trying to parallel fantasy with reality. I mean if Reversi was Ashirogi Muto's masterpiece then maybe Ohba feels Bakuman is his masterpiece and will do what they did....end it in one final battle.....book sales.
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Great chapter. It was an really cool feature to see actual double spread pages dedicated for Reversi.

The only thing that bothered me is that they didn't present Eiji's side until the end. Usually they follow Ashirogi and Eiji through all the stages to make more tension. But I guess that it might've been deliberate since their rivalry wasn't the main theme here.

BTW, is it just me or did they actually show the reaction of that guy who used to work on Human?
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Great chapter.

Not sure what's going to happen next now. Reversi finally ended, and they got 1st place in the questionnaire polls. Not sure what will happen next. Guessing there going to start on there next piece.

As always I look forward to the next chapter ;o
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Anybody else feel like the author is trying to parallel fantasy with reality. I mean if Reversi was Ashirogi Muto's masterpiece then maybe Ohba feels Bakuman is his masterpiece and will do what they did....end it in one final battle.....book sales.


Ohba is a female.

But yeah, I think I see what you mean. Although, Reversi is more like Death Note than Bakuman.
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what about aoki and hiramaru getting married? ;A;
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Ohba is a female.


Really? I thought Ohba's Identity was a complete mystery. In MU says he might be GAMOU Hiroshi who is someone in a situation very similar to Mashiro's uncle being a one hit wonder with a gag manga.

Btw Chapter 176 will have colour pages to celebrate Mashiro's marriage proposal to Azuki. I guess it's coming to an end.
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This was too good to be true. This issue of ending the manga went pretty smootly. Way too smooth! Ah well. If that's how they want it, fine. I should just be thankful that it went well. Now off to the wedding!
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