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| I really enjoyed the fight with the Endlaves. Shu's flying around dodging bullets and missiles. I was LOL when the missiles that Shu dodged dropped a chunk of the ceiling on one of the Endlaves. SPLAT. I wonder what Shu was apologising for, when he said, 'I'm sorry, Ayase.' It could have been for taking her Void without asking. But I get the feeling that it was something more then that. There is a lot that he should apologise for and not just to Ayase. What do you think? |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
Gigamecha12 said: You really should pick carefully the shows you defend. We'd give the series a break if it could manage to keep itself consistent in it's characterization and plot. Just look at Gai and his tenure from "mysterious charismatic leader with apparent good intentions" to "love-struck best friend who sacrifices himself for the greater good" and ending in his current "always been a bad guy" twist personality.I don't get it...with this series it's either you really like it, or hate it because it "rips off" other anime's. 1. If you hate the show so much then gtfo and watch something else like Bleach or some mainstream crap. And 2. Name me 1 anime that is completely original without any similarities to another anime...like come on guys give the series a break. I'm sure an apologist could try to spin an argument that my example just shows how they evolved the characters but there's a difference between well written character development and rushed last minute development. If your character was set up as slowly changing his ideals and then giving up his goal to save others, you can't then completely deny this by telling your audience the character was always a bad guy and was always tricking you, not without subtle clues through the whole anime setting up the plot twist. It comes across as last minute-writing and puts into question how much of the plot the writer actually had planned from the start. It also reminds me, this problem was already apparent from the start of the show, during interviews with the staff of the show, they answered questions regarding Voids (it being a very early point in the anime yet, nothing specific about the nature of Voids had been revealed yet) and the staff answered how Shu could only get Voids of people close to his heart (aka people he actually knew). Fast-forward a week after and a fan called bullshit on this answer because of Shu getting Daryl's Void even though he had never even seen Daryl before the moment he took his VOid (heck, I don't think he even knows his name NOW let alone back then). The writers backpedaled like crazy and came up with several different conclicting answers which eventually ended with the in-show answer of "he has to make eye-contact with the person to take his Void", something I don't think he even follows 100% anymore. |
Leon-GunMar 7, 2012 9:33 PM
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| His goal to save others? Gai brings that up only once or twice. It was ALWAYS about Mana. Seriously the change is hardly that sharp. |
Darklight0303 said: Not that accurate, the halfway point of the series leaves a repenting Gai who sides with Shu instead of following through his goal. That's what I mean by lat minute change in characterization. He was brough t back with his Mana-obsessed persona merely to act as your out of nowhere antagonist. In fact, I'll strike a prediction here if I may: before the end of the anime is over we'll get a "Gai's mind was poisoned by the Apocalypse Virus hence his obsession resurfaced" revelation. Still wouldn't excuse the rather lame "back from the grave" twist but blaming the Virus for his extreme change in tactics would at least not completely reject the events mid-season.His goal to save others? Gai brings that up only once or twice. It was ALWAYS about Mana. Seriously the change is hardly that sharp. |
Leon-GunMar 7, 2012 11:51 PM
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Leon-Gun said: Darklight0303 said: Not that accurate, the halfway point of the series leaves a repenting Gai who sides with Shu instead of following through his goal. That's what I mean by lat minute change in characterization. He was brough t back with his Mana-obsessed persona merely to act as your out of nowhere antagonist. In fact, I'll strike a prediction here if I may: before the end of the anime is over we'll get a "Gai's mind was poisoned by the Apocalypse Virus hence his obsession resurfaced" revelation. Still wouldn't excuse the rather lame "back from the grave" twist but blaming the Virus for his extreme change in tactics would at least not completely reject the events mid-season.His goal to save others? Gai brings that up only once or twice. It was ALWAYS about Mana. Seriously the change is hardly that sharp. Did nobody see Gai as an enemy straight from the start? You can tell from the 1st opening when hes in darkness holding the cross thats theres somefin fishy about him. Absolutely hate the "Gai" :D But u what u said above is probably true knowin how predictable it is ^^ Oh well, fun to watch !! |
Edob0b said: Leon-Gun said: Darklight0303 said: Not that accurate, the halfway point of the series leaves a repenting Gai who sides with Shu instead of following through his goal. That's what I mean by lat minute change in characterization. He was brough t back with his Mana-obsessed persona merely to act as your out of nowhere antagonist. In fact, I'll strike a prediction here if I may: before the end of the anime is over we'll get a "Gai's mind was poisoned by the Apocalypse Virus hence his obsession resurfaced" revelation. Still wouldn't excuse the rather lame "back from the grave" twist but blaming the Virus for his extreme change in tactics would at least not completely reject the events mid-season.His goal to save others? Gai brings that up only once or twice. It was ALWAYS about Mana. Seriously the change is hardly that sharp. Did nobody see Gai as an enemy straight from the start? You can tell from the 1st opening when hes in darkness holding the cross thats theres somefin fishy about him. Absolutely hate the "Gai" :D But u what u said above is probably true knowin how predictable it is ^^ Oh well, fun to watch !! I saw him as an enemy the moment he let the civies get killed just to get Shu to have the mindset to work with him @Leon: The change in tactics also came from power. If you remember Gai was the original target for the genome. Now he has it plus the backing of the GHQ plus whatever might have been added during his resurrection. The only difference is that up to his death he still had a sliver of a conscience. But he never fought for Japan truly. |
Darklight0303Mar 8, 2012 5:32 AM
Gigamecha12 said: Leon-Gun said: Gigamecha12 said: You really should pick carefully the shows you defend. We'd give the series a break if it could manage to keep itself consistent in it's characterization and plot. Just look at Gai and his tenure from "mysterious charismatic leader with apparent good intentions" to "love-struck best friend who sacrifices himself for the greater good" and ending in his current "always been a bad guy" twist personality.I don't get it...with this series it's either you really like it, or hate it because it "rips off" other anime's. 1. If you hate the show so much then gtfo and watch something else like Bleach or some mainstream crap. And 2. Name me 1 anime that is completely original without any similarities to another anime...like come on guys give the series a break. I'm sure an apologist could try to spin an argument that my example just shows how they evolved the characters but there's a difference between well written character development and rushed last minute development. If your character was set up as slowly changing his ideals and then giving up his goal to save others, you can't then completely deny this by telling your audience the character was always a bad guy and was always tricking you, not without subtle clues through the whole anime setting up the plot twist. It comes across as last minute-writing and puts into question how much of the plot the writer actually had planned from the start. It also reminds me, this problem was already apparent from the start of the show, during interviews with the staff of the show, they answered questions regarding Voids (it being a very early point in the anime yet, nothing specific about the nature of Voids had been revealed yet) and the staff answered how Shu could only get Voids of people close to his heart (aka people he actually knew). Fast-forward a week after and a fan called bullshit on this answer because of Shu getting Daryl's Void even though he had never even seen Daryl before the moment he took his VOid (heck, I don't think he even knows his name NOW let alone back then). The writers backpedaled like crazy and came up with several different conclicting answers which eventually ended with the in-show answer of "he has to make eye-contact with the person to take his Void", something I don't think he even follows 100% anymore. *sigh* I'm only stating that I'm tired of hearing "This part here rips off *insertrandomanimehere*. It is quite obvious that there a lot of inconsistencies in the plot, and it feels way too rushed. But if I'm able to look past these faults and still enjoy it, I don't see how others like yourself cannot. Sure, it won't get anime of the year, or even best anime of the month. But still, what ever happened to watching anime just for entertainment? And if you can't enjoy it then watch something that you will enjoy instead. Personally I think that "Guilty Crown" was overhyped, by the time i watched it the 2nd episode came out and i didnt know anything about it, i didnt watch animes for a few years tbh. I accidentely stumbled acrossed it Guilty Crown to me is amazing, I have watched anything for ages and personally its awsum, and ye i totally agree with you Gigamech, i do watch it for fun, sure its not the best plot but its still good. Why are people so critical ? :( |
| Because considerating the staff at charge, the ammount of budget it has received, the fact it was allowed the double of episodes in a programming block with very strict policies, that it´s getting popular while several other better animes will never receive the same acclaimation and God knows what else I may be forgetting right now, IT FEELS LIKE AN INSULT IN SEVERAL WAYS. Personally, if a show has such an overwhelming ammount of mistakes, I like it to have other qualities that help to dissimulate it or overshadow it. The problem is, this anime doesn´t have much in its own defence (specially in the character, plot, presentation and consistence department [HECK! IT EVEN BREAKS ITS OWN RULES OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!]) to make me think is at least okay. As a consequence, it becomes painfully obvious of the bad writing and the flaws (I wouldn´t be surprised if any professional writer lose the will to live by reading it) it has, and the more critical eye will naturally point fingers. For us "haters" it has become something to watch to see how low it can fall or laught at, and it didn´t have to be that way when with some serious and consistent presentation it could have been better, which it´s really sad... :( EDIT: Also, please take think over about this: when we barely have someone critising something, it kind of proves that it´s going in a very good way. NOW! When we have plenty of people (regardless of their exigencies) noticing the same flaws, and over and over again and it ammounts in a overwhelming way, then there´s something fishy and wrong here, my gentlemen. |
Karura_JiinsaruMar 8, 2012 6:29 AM
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Karura_Jiinsaru said: Because considerating the staff at charge, the ammount of budget it has received, the fact it was allowed the double of episodes in a programming block with very strict policies, that it´s getting popular while several other better animes will never receive the same acclaimation and God knows what else I may be forgetting right now, IT FEELS LIKE AN INSULT IN SEVERAL WAYS. Personally, if a show has such an overwhelming ammount of mistakes, I like it to have other qualities that help to dissimulate it or overshadow it. The problem is, this anime doesn´t have much in its own defence (specially in the character, plot, presentation and consistence department [HECK! IT EVEN BREAKS ITS OWN RULES OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!]) to make me think is at least okay. As a consequence, it becomes painfully obvious of the bad writing and the flaws (I wouldn´t be surprised if any professional writer lose the will to live by reading it) it has, and the more critical eye will naturally point fingers. For us "haters" it has become something to watch to see how low it can fall or laught at, and it didn´t have to be that way when with some serious and consistent presentation it could have been better, which it´s really sad... :( EDIT: Also, please take think over about this: when we barely have someone critising something, it kind of proves that it´s going in a very good way. NOW! When we have plenty of people (regardless of their exigencies) noticing the same flaws, and over and over again and it ammounts in a overwhelming way, then there´s something fishy and wrong here, my gentlemen. Or we have a bandwagon trying to counter another. I have seen very little true critique to the show and more bashing of it and those who actually like it. It's too late to defend actions of haters. |
Zetamancer said: I think I missed that part(or maybe I forgot about it). I wrote that message 3days after I watch the episode.I could write up a long passage if i jot down every single mistake when I watch this episode but that would be silly lol.MorningGlory said: The only part I don't like bout this episode is when the Vial coincidentally roll in front of Shu.... But you were totally cool with the fact that Segai could boomerang blades at a vial to move it, and have the vial not shatter? The "coincidence" from this episode actually remind me back from the "coincidence" part from episode 1.Well, I guess you people can deal with such flaw after so long LOL.Its kinda sad the writer can't think up of a better idea in such important turning event ='( Maybe the vial is strong enough to withstand the hit from the boomerang blade.It is an important vial after all . hehe sry for the late reply =p |
MorningGloryMar 8, 2012 7:46 AM
| I think I may be one of the few people in the middle of this. I neither love nor hate the show. There are parts of it I enjoy, and parts I find kind of dumb. Overall I'd say the show is decent, but tries too hard to do things without taking all the steps to go there. There are better shows, and worse shows. This show has great animation and sound, but the scriptwriting and plotting have been a bit off. There is good confusing and then there is a story that spends too much time bouncing around. There really wasn't enough character development early in the show to make me invest in the later happenings. Calling someone dumb for liking it, or not liking it is the height of idiocy. Grow up, it's a show and some of us like it and others do not. I like the show's ideas and themes, I just think they didn't connect it all together in a coherent fashion for me personally. Right now I'd likely give the show a 6.5-7 purely for having strong ideas, animation, and sound but lacking in character depth and storytelling. I don't have anything major to complain about, if I did... well, I would have stopped watching it. Ugh... this ended up a little long winded, I didn't want to make it sound like a review. People who like the show: Keep liking it, have fun with it. People who hate the show: Stop watching it, or keep watching it and stop taunting people. |
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| So the guy with the porno-stache is Haruka's brother, therefore Mana's uncle, and since he tried to wed Inori who seems to be a clone or something or at the very least bears a fragment of Mana's soul....wow, incest much? Seriously hope he dies before Gai does, by Shu's hands. What is this, a soap opera? Uncle tries to wed his niece whom is the dead sister of the his dead brother (in-law?) and ties to kill his sister. All the while the back-stabber kidnaps the clone? of the sister, acting like he's a pimp. Yup, sounds like a poorly written soap opera to me. |
Darklight0303 said: Yet you didn't deny both sides are jumping on bandwagons. I Have seen the same consistent points being brought up, just so happens the apologists don't really find them to be flaws, or sidestep them with the all-encompassing "they can be tolerated because it's entertaining" card. Sure, I can tolerate a lot of things, doesn't mean I have to like them.Karura_Jiinsaru said: Because considerating the staff at charge, the ammount of budget it has received, the fact it was allowed the double of episodes in a programming block with very strict policies, that it´s getting popular while several other better animes will never receive the same acclaimation and God knows what else I may be forgetting right now, IT FEELS LIKE AN INSULT IN SEVERAL WAYS. Personally, if a show has such an overwhelming ammount of mistakes, I like it to have other qualities that help to dissimulate it or overshadow it. The problem is, this anime doesn´t have much in its own defence (specially in the character, plot, presentation and consistence department [HECK! IT EVEN BREAKS ITS OWN RULES OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!]) to make me think is at least okay. As a consequence, it becomes painfully obvious of the bad writing and the flaws (I wouldn´t be surprised if any professional writer lose the will to live by reading it) it has, and the more critical eye will naturally point fingers. For us "haters" it has become something to watch to see how low it can fall or laught at, and it didn´t have to be that way when with some serious and consistent presentation it could have been better, which it´s really sad... :( EDIT: Also, please take think over about this: when we barely have someone critising something, it kind of proves that it´s going in a very good way. NOW! When we have plenty of people (regardless of their exigencies) noticing the same flaws, and over and over again and it ammounts in a overwhelming way, then there´s something fishy and wrong here, my gentlemen. Or we have a bandwagon trying to counter another. I have seen very little true critique to the show and more bashing of it and those who actually like it. It's too late to defend actions of haters. |
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| This series is going to end with Inori turning everyone into orange juice, Shu playing a musical instrument while battling his inner demons, and then strangling Ayasa next to a sea of blood, isn't it? But no seriously. I see a really satisfying ending upcoming. |
Leon-Gun said: Darklight0303 said: Yet you didn't deny both sides are jumping on bandwagons. I Have seen the same consistent points being brought up, just so happens the apologists don't really find them to be flaws, or sidestep them with the all-encompassing "they can be tolerated because it's entertaining" card. Sure, I can tolerate a lot of things, doesn't mean I have to like them.Karura_Jiinsaru said: Because considerating the staff at charge, the ammount of budget it has received, the fact it was allowed the double of episodes in a programming block with very strict policies, that it´s getting popular while several other better animes will never receive the same acclaimation and God knows what else I may be forgetting right now, IT FEELS LIKE AN INSULT IN SEVERAL WAYS. Personally, if a show has such an overwhelming ammount of mistakes, I like it to have other qualities that help to dissimulate it or overshadow it. The problem is, this anime doesn´t have much in its own defence (specially in the character, plot, presentation and consistence department [HECK! IT EVEN BREAKS ITS OWN RULES OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!]) to make me think is at least okay. As a consequence, it becomes painfully obvious of the bad writing and the flaws (I wouldn´t be surprised if any professional writer lose the will to live by reading it) it has, and the more critical eye will naturally point fingers. For us "haters" it has become something to watch to see how low it can fall or laught at, and it didn´t have to be that way when with some serious and consistent presentation it could have been better, which it´s really sad... :( EDIT: Also, please take think over about this: when we barely have someone critising something, it kind of proves that it´s going in a very good way. NOW! When we have plenty of people (regardless of their exigencies) noticing the same flaws, and over and over again and it ammounts in a overwhelming way, then there´s something fishy and wrong here, my gentlemen. Or we have a bandwagon trying to counter another. I have seen very little true critique to the show and more bashing of it and those who actually like it. It's too late to defend actions of haters. Yet less apologists attack viewers. Most haters do that each time. So while both sides are bad, apologists are better because they never start with attacking people who watch the show. It's always the haters. |
| If you want me to retract about the EDIT part and apologise, I´ll do it so, since I have been thinking over that and even myself am completely unsure of its validity. I still cannot overlook the flaws of the show, however... |
Karura_JiinsaruMar 9, 2012 4:30 AM
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| Animation and music are still great. /ignoreflaws |
| okay episode. Almost caught up! |
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| Shuu's Void absorbs everything when it takes others' Voids + right arm -_-" The way this anime is going can best be described as BS!! |
 When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. |
| Shu has completely changed his image. I like it! Hell yeah love his new found will and determination, hes walking with a new spring in his steps. Shu has really manned up and is doing things the right way now. Ftw. His void collects everything and takes everything in. :o That scene was pretty epic tbh. Segai is crazy but cool in his own way. Lets do this with guts! |
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| I'm surprised with how close this is to a retelling of code geass. Shu will take all the bad will onto himself and die with it. That is the same plan that Lelouch had. No wonder I got code geass vibes as soon as I started watching this. |
| meh Shu going emo to badass to emo to badass again? conveniently gets his power back, and the friends that betrayed him are now glad he's back? Segai finally dead at least? uhm so are they going to tell us how Mana/Gai survived and why Gai is an evil douche? he totally should have killed that Arisa bitch. no way does Shu live in the end unless we get Inori driving a carriage end. |
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MikedyMike said: People who like the show: Keep liking it, have fun with it. People who hate the show: Stop watching it, or keep watching it and stop taunting people. The problem is it's impossible to hate or like the show. People 'like' it because they just couldn't hold back their urges to masturbate while getting turned on by pretty characters and over-funded special effects animation because they're too stupid to realize there's no coherent plot or thinks it's some deep shit. People 'hate' it because of the same reason above. The difference is these people are smart enough to realize that they are getting trolled by the producers. They just want to watch this cluster fuck of randomness anime for shits and giggles. |
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| From the part he said "mom" to the very end of the episode it was so dam epic! Love Guilty Crown!<3 |
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| Segai dies but that annoying Sunohara-brat lives? Darn it. I wanted to see him squirm in agony. The music is great though. 4/5. |
GuiltyKing said: Oh my god, that was BEAUTIFUL! Shu, his void, everything... wow, Guilty Crown at its best. <3 Now please, let Inori and Shu survive somehow. Then this show would be perfect for me. I'm stunned and can't stop grinning. im feel the same why. This show has me so hooked. The music is what makes this episodes fight scene so epic. |
| Shu did a great job. It's annoying that Inori has to be saved though. |
| Damn, there goes the best character :( This episode reminded me how awesome Segai is. It would have been nice if he had some more development, but considering how most other characters were handled...yeah I'm satisfied with this. Too bad he's out, he's seriously the only reason I made it this far. Oh well only 3 eps left. No point in stopping now! |
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| God dammit, shu hogging all the perfomance enhancement drugs again =(. |
 "I like to expose what people hide. I'm an intellectual rapist." - Furudo Erika |
| I was kinda hoping for Segai to be some kind of Jeremiah character but i guess this in fine too. predictable I can't help but agree BUT fair enough I liked it I can't deny. Shu's back on track but he didn't stays on self pity very long either. We"ll see but I'm kinda hoping for a good ending ( not the too obvious one please ) |
| Segai had the best death, imo. Total orgasm to the end. XDDD; I really liked Haruka in this episode. I don't know why, it was a small part, but I thought she was pretty badass on the run. XD; She really does look like Shu's mom, so I was surprised she wasn't biologically related to him. What does this mean about Mana? Is she adopted or some weird science experiment that Haruka brought home? XDDD; I liked the part where Ayase jumped/slid down the escalator after the genome thing. She really feels like Kallen to me, from Code Geass. I think that's why I like her. :3 OGUMO. ;____; At least he took out a bunch of bitches before he died. And Shu was pretty badass! I like the Tron Arm that he gets!! XD It's awesome looking! Sucks that he has to grab the bad with the good (taking the cancer and all), but I guess that's the whole point for the ending. He'll probably sacrifice himself to save the world and whatnot. And also, Inoriiiii! She's so pretty in this form. :3 Even all crucified and whatnot. The last ep we saw her in she reminded me of Princess Ayeka from Tenchi Muyo when she powers up her Juri powers, but this ep she reminded me of Utena as the rose bride. XD I think it was the curly pink hair and the white of her clothes. XDDDD; I liked the episode, but it felt kind of rushed at the same time. The ending felt like it went by too fast. :/ I hope we get a good next episode and finale. |
| All life in this galaxy has a shining star within itself. Everyone has one… The stronger the light, the more they shine. Yours looks very shiny. |
| Kick-Awesome episode! Now this is why I loved the show to begin with! They're doing a great job setting up the endgame, but unfortunately it does not look like its going to be a fairy tail ending. Not for everyone at least. |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| The part towards the end of this episode will never seize to amaze me no matter how many times I've seen the clip on YouTube. Shu finally finding his resolution and being all badass WITH Bios as the bgm is a perfect example of a good action scene! Although I never liked Segai that much, I'm glad he died happy, since he really wanted to be in that light. Also, that part with Shu and his stepmother was really touching ;_; AND my favorite quote from Shu, "I've decided. I'll get my hands as dirty as I have to, for their sakes." |
| Fuck that was epic especially that ending! Fuck yea Shu's back in action and he's better than ever! |
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| Guilty Crown is pretty darn good now, not sure why all the negative reviews. I am still pissed at all the Funeral Parlor members and his friends who betrayed Shu though, they don't deserve his kindness at all. |
| Okay Shu fine I finally like you now. It's cool he finally used his void and got back a hand and took cancer away. I thought he was going to give Ayase working legs though...But to Inori we go. |
Yzori said: Shu is really awesome in this episode. When he gains his new arm he looks totally badass. Yeah, exactly! |
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