Sakulily said: Sorry for bumping zee thread? Drunk_Samurai said: Sakulily said: Lolicon is wrong for obvious reasons and although it's fake and ofcourse better than if he were found with actual material, you can't escape the fact that it's still child porn. What are the "obvious reasons?" I guess you can't escape your own ignorance if you think its child porn. The obvious fact that it's portraying child porn, and explicit scenes of young children. I thought that would have been the obvious. Okay, let me ask you, what is wrong with child porn? Of course, it's because it's violating children. With lolicon material though, they aren't real, and thus aren't being violated. They aren't young children, that's the entire point. |
| I understand that's it's fantasy, and that the children are not real. Ofcourse I do. But the general idea and concept of lolicon is wrong. To take an interest in it, is like taking an interest in the fantasy of raping or having sexual desires with children. That's the way I see it, and the way I believe it is. |
| Saying it is ok to 'just have it in one's head' sounds innocent I suppose. I mean I read books about war, doesn't mean I am an emminent danger to society for it, no chance I am going to suddenly develope an obsession with taking over small countries. Comically though, society has no shortage of people that will spit on soldiers as if war is their idea, as if the soldiers are all for it. I was around for the aftermath of Vietnam, I know what the world was like then. I've seen the reactions of people to my playing wargames. People make statements like 'how can you make the killing of thousands and millions of people into a 'game'. Yes hard to believe that people can actually think like that. The reactions of people to those that play role games. The classic and stupid notion that role gamers and D&D is worshiping Satan. And no, this isn't just stale shit from the 70s, I had to drive 30 minutes further to watch the last Harry Potter film, because fucking Christians boycotted the original theatre I was planning to go to with friends. The mall decided to take a pass rather than face the loonies. The thing is, we can laugh at some things that some of society have a negative reaction to, but not all. Calling me a war monger for liking wargames gets a laugh from me and I call the person an idiot. Calling me a pedophile though for watching anime with some admmittedly badly thought out visuals though, well, chances are if I CAN do it, odds are I put you the person dumb enough to say it to me in the hospital in critical condition. But even I have limits. Even I won't defend the lolicon crowd. Too stupid for their own good. |
| While not technically anime, currently I am a big fan of Hatsune Miku. At least I can go see her in concert. |
Sakulily said: Sorry for bumping zee thread? Drunk_Samurai said: Sakulily said: Lolicon is wrong for obvious reasons and although it's fake and ofcourse better than if he were found with actual material, you can't escape the fact that it's still child porn. What are the "obvious reasons?" I guess you can't escape your own ignorance if you think its child porn. The obvious fact that it's portraying child porn, and explicit scenes of young children. I thought that would have been the obvious. It isn't portraying child porn because there are no children involved. Its pretty damn obvious a drawing is not a child. |
Sakulily said: But the general idea and concept of lolicon is wrong. The general idea and concept of many fetishes is "wrong" - but as long as nobody gets hurt it's just an issue of moral and the government has no right to punish it... Sakulily said: To take an interest in it, is like taking an interest in the fantasy of raping or having sexual desires with children. That's the way I see it, and the way I believe it is. The general idea that lolicon-fans are all pedos is just naive...it's the same with all the fictional stuff - Yaoi fangirls aren't interested in gays IRL, fans of violent mangas don't have the urge to mutilate someone IRL, etc... |
Onitenshi said: ^This.Sakulily said: But the general idea and concept of lolicon is wrong. The general idea and concept of many fetishes is "wrong" - but as long as nobody gets hurt it's just an issue of moral and the government has no right to punish it... Sakulily said: To take an interest in it, is like taking an interest in the fantasy of raping or having sexual desires with children. That's the way I see it, and the way I believe it is. The general idea that lolicon-fans are all pedos is just naive...it's the same with all the fictional stuff - Yaoi fangirls aren't interested in gays IRL, fans of violent mangas don't have the urge to mutilate someone IRL, etc... Sukunai said: ^What you should defend is the freedom of ideas. Banning sexuality in fiction will end up prohibiting violence (which you, along with many others, love, yet it is viewed negatively by prudes) as well, and the close-mindedness is eventually going to cover many forms of genres, as loli, like it or not, is one of them, severely limiting and perhaps even killing artistic expressions in general based on an ever-changing and controversial concept of "morals.".But even I have limits. Even I won't defend the lolicon crowd. Too stupid for their own good. It easy is to say that something "is not my problem," but the chain of events will inevitably catch up to you and make it yours, after it becomes too late to protect what is no longer there. Think of it as you having a multi-storey building. The government tells you to demolish the top floor because they believe it is dirty and forms some violations, which you agree with. Then they find something similarly wrong with the new top floor, and they tell you to get rid of it, again, you approve, but you get kind of suspicious. They continue to do that, with you disliking it more and more, until they get to a floor you love, but there is little you can do now, since you have already given consent to other floors with issues on the same level as this one, which is now considered only the top floor. You lose that as well. You forgot that your building actually consisted of essentially the same theme, as it is called Art, and now it is considered a felony as a whole. |
SeijurouSep 25, 2011 5:00 PM
"Giving one's name to someone about to die is meaningless." - Hiko Seijuurou "There are no miracles in this world; there are only accidents, inevitabilities, and what you are going to do. That is it." - Himura Yuu "A sword is a weapon. Swordsmanship is learning how to kill. No pretty words you say will change that." - Hiko Seijuurou  |
ironicatheist said: Hey guys 1 point that i think nobody can disagree with, it shouldn't be being posted on commonly used community websites like Facebook and yet it is... ok seriously? i mean it would be fine and all if it was on some website that allows that and said website is on a server in a country where it is legal.... but Facebook is not that way, not to mention children can and will see it if you post it on the "non-profit" organizations and if it is findable without logging in and through Google search results, I'm serious i found a link on Google to some SHOTA on Facebook with search filter ON and i wasn't even looking for that... and no i don't disagree with ppl liking lolicon, but the first time i saw that stuff it grossed me out, and then after a while i saw it some more and i got attracted to it a little, and i thought it was ok for me to look at, but then one day on a lolicon site i saw an ad that used that technique of down-scaled images to lure you in and i saw what looked like child porn and i actually got attracted to it... i know your not supposed to link the 2 but subconsciously i did, and so not only am i terrified to look at lolicon, i actually think it's better if i don't look at it... EVER, I'm not saying lolicon causes you to get into the real stuff, but for my case, that did seem to be so... either way i am a upstanding good person and i will not stand for it being on a website that not only doesn't allow it, but a website for meeting new ppl and whatnot that I use constantly... i mean would you guys want to go to your "get away site" meaning a site where you go to to avoid something from other parts of the internet and next thing ya know BAM it's there too even though its not allowed... also I'm about to sue Facebook, it's been 2 weeks and i keep reporting it and it still isn't off there... anyway to contact someone who works for Facebook? This post made me lol. You get a 9/10. |
Drunk_Samurai said: It isn't portraying child porn because there are no children involved. Its pretty damn obvious a drawing is not a child. i dont know how people dont understand this. |
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Cucumbers said: Drunk_Samurai said: It isn't portraying child porn because there are no children involved. Its pretty damn obvious a drawing is not a child. i dont know how people dont understand this. People don't understand this because many people believe that some things are arbitrarily evil or wrong. They don't have the analytical skills to realize that there is a reason why some things are wrong and some things are right. |
| Good riddance. That's one less pedophile wandering around Canada. First thing they do is look at loli. Next thing you know they're eying little girls, imagining them with googly bug eyes and thinking they're supa supa kawaii. And then they traumatize those girls. Are those the kinds of people we want in our society? Actually prison is a waste of taxpayer money. They should just kill all such offenders. |
ironicatheist said: Cucumbers said: i understand that, in my first post on here i never said it was child porn, just simply keep it to only sites that allow it or have a dedicated forum for it... because many who are attracted to the stuff probably aren't attracted to real stuff, however either way, lolicon sites sometimes have child porn ads which is what lead me personally realize that i have some issues because i got attracted to what was probably real life child porn even if i won't do anything irl i don't want thought's or feelings like that running through my head, so it's nice to have some good websites that don't allow it to be shown EVERYWHERE, and actually have zero tolerance, because otherwise things like my case happen where i came across shota on Facebook, and thus it makes me not want to ever go on Facebook again if they don't change there ways of reporting things.... in fact I'm in the midst of what is probably going to be a lawsuit filed against Facebook...Drunk_Samurai said: It isn't portraying child porn because there are no children involved. Its pretty damn obvious a drawing is not a child. i dont know how people dont understand this. You took it too far now. You get a 2/10 now. DrewTheDoofus said: Good riddance. That's one less pedophile wandering around Canada. First thing they do is look at loli. Next thing you know they're eying little girls, imagining them with googly bug eyes and thinking they're supa supa kawaii. And then they traumatize those girls. Are those the kinds of people we want in our society? Trollface.jpg. |
DrewTheDoofus said: Good riddance. That's one less pedophile wandering around Canada. First thing they do is look at loli. Next thing you know they're eying little girls, imagining them with googly bug eyes and thinking they're supa supa kawaii. And then they traumatize those girls. Are those the kinds of people we want in our society? Actually prison is a waste of taxpayer money. They should just kill all such offenders. Trololololol |
| You sick bastards. Why are you still talking about this? |
Kyuu46 said: You sick bastards. Why are you still talking about this? 1) I guess someone necro'd this thread? or 2) discussion leads to understanding, and understanding is important if you want to progress in anything. |
Grimm3r said: Kyuu46 said: You sick bastards. Why are you still talking about this? 1) I guess someone necro'd this thread? or 2) discussion leads to understanding, and understanding is important if you want to progress in anything. Not really for the second one. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=302605&show=200#msg11824175 people like that don't understand that lolicon isn't child porn. So there will never be progress. |
ironicatheist said: Drunk_Samurai said: where did i go to far? maybe the zero tolerance? i don't mean zero tolerance on ever website, just the websites like Facebook where i am promised by the policies that i shouldn't have to put up with that because i am using the site for what is not only allowed but what is the way it's SUPPOSED to be used, so I'm sorry if i go into a website like Facebook where in it's policy it says it is against the rules, and that i should in no way ever be able to see that and if i do see that to report it so they can get rid of it.... but that's not the case the site owners are violating the site policies and allowing illegal actions such as allowing the content visible to minors and when i do report it they then don't have to remove it?ironicatheist said: Cucumbers said: i understand that, in my first post on here i never said it was child porn, just simply keep it to only sites that allow it or have a dedicated forum for it... because many who are attracted to the stuff probably aren't attracted to real stuff, however either way, lolicon sites sometimes have child porn ads which is what lead me personally realize that i have some issues because i got attracted to what was probably real life child porn even if i won't do anything irl i don't want thought's or feelings like that running through my head, so it's nice to have some good websites that don't allow it to be shown EVERYWHERE, and actually have zero tolerance, because otherwise things like my case happen where i came across shota on Facebook, and thus it makes me not want to ever go on Facebook again if they don't change there ways of reporting things.... in fact I'm in the midst of what is probably going to be a lawsuit filed against Facebook...Drunk_Samurai said: It isn't portraying child porn because there are no children involved. Its pretty damn obvious a drawing is not a child. i dont know how people dont understand this. You took it too far now. You get a 2/10 now. DrewTheDoofus said: Good riddance. That's one less pedophile wandering around Canada. First thing they do is look at loli. Next thing you know they're eying little girls, imagining them with googly bug eyes and thinking they're supa supa kawaii. And then they traumatize those girls. Are those the kinds of people we want in our society? Trollface.jpg. You are trolling because you said you are threatening to sue them. 1) There is nothing wrong with it and 2) I doubt there is anything on Facebook like that. If there is then its in a private group. |
ironicatheist said: Drunk_Samurai said: i realize it isn't child porn.... which is why i don't object to it existing, i object to when it is considered stealing like someone makes lolicon porn of a copyrighted character... or just draws a non-nude copyrighted character, either one is illegal AND immoral(if there was no consent from the original author)... i also object to it being uploaded on a site where the policy say's it's against the rules, and in fact allowing minors to seeing porn... when i said no tolerance i meant any porn in general... i know lolicon isn't necessarily porn, my facebook indecent was where it wasn't just shota it was shota porn... i wasn't saying don't allow lolicon or shota that isn't nude....Grimm3r said: Kyuu46 said: You sick bastards. Why are you still talking about this? 1) I guess someone necro'd this thread? or 2) discussion leads to understanding, and understanding is important if you want to progress in anything. Not really for the second one. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=302605&show=200#msg11824175 people like that don't understand that lolicon isn't child porn. So there will never be progress. They don't care if they use their characters. Mangaka consider it free advertisement. Also copyright infringement and stealing are not the same thing at all. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=333727 |
| NAMBLA exists too. It doesn't make it right. Child porn is a sin, whether it's drawn or real. |
ironicatheist said: Drunk_Samurai said: there is nothing wrong with breaking the rules and letting minors see it? also i know it is accessible to minors and any casual person, i found it through Google, and i was able to view it logged out and logged in when i was a minor... i turned 18, September 29th this year and i reported it as a minor and after... it is still there and it is posted on a "non-profit" organization thing, called CerberusFC there is 2 but the one i am referring to has no space in the name, and is not some sport organization.... http://www.facebook.com/pages/CerberusFC/118839678142857 it's right there, so there is my evidence...ironicatheist said: Drunk_Samurai said: where did i go to far? maybe the zero tolerance? i don't mean zero tolerance on ever website, just the websites like Facebook where i am promised by the policies that i shouldn't have to put up with that because i am using the site for what is not only allowed but what is the way it's SUPPOSED to be used, so I'm sorry if i go into a website like Facebook where in it's policy it says it is against the rules, and that i should in no way ever be able to see that and if i do see that to report it so they can get rid of it.... but that's not the case the site owners are violating the site policies and allowing illegal actions such as allowing the content visible to minors and when i do report it they then don't have to remove it?ironicatheist said: Cucumbers said: i understand that, in my first post on here i never said it was child porn, just simply keep it to only sites that allow it or have a dedicated forum for it... because many who are attracted to the stuff probably aren't attracted to real stuff, however either way, lolicon sites sometimes have child porn ads which is what lead me personally realize that i have some issues because i got attracted to what was probably real life child porn even if i won't do anything irl i don't want thought's or feelings like that running through my head, so it's nice to have some good websites that don't allow it to be shown EVERYWHERE, and actually have zero tolerance, because otherwise things like my case happen where i came across shota on Facebook, and thus it makes me not want to ever go on Facebook again if they don't change there ways of reporting things.... in fact I'm in the midst of what is probably going to be a lawsuit filed against Facebook...Drunk_Samurai said: It isn't portraying child porn because there are no children involved. Its pretty damn obvious a drawing is not a child. i dont know how people dont understand this. You took it too far now. You get a 2/10 now. DrewTheDoofus said: Good riddance. That's one less pedophile wandering around Canada. First thing they do is look at loli. Next thing you know they're eying little girls, imagining them with googly bug eyes and thinking they're supa supa kawaii. And then they traumatize those girls. Are those the kinds of people we want in our society? Trollface.jpg. You are trolling because you said you are threatening to sue them. 1) There is nothing wrong with it and 2) I doubt there is anything on Facebook like that. If there is then its in a private group. Looks ecchi at best. Also no there is nothing wrong with minors seeing it unless they are prudes. ironicatheist said: Drunk_Samurai said: "Mangaka consider it free advertisement." so they own ANYTHING lolicon? i think not lol... just because it's not manga doesn't mean it's not lolicon....ironicatheist said: Drunk_Samurai said: i realize it isn't child porn.... which is why i don't object to it existing, i object to when it is considered stealing like someone makes lolicon porn of a copyrighted character... or just draws a non-nude copyrighted character, either one is illegal AND immoral(if there was no consent from the original author)... i also object to it being uploaded on a site where the policy say's it's against the rules, and in fact allowing minors to seeing porn... when i said no tolerance i meant any porn in general... i know lolicon isn't necessarily porn, my facebook indecent was where it wasn't just shota it was shota porn... i wasn't saying don't allow lolicon or shota that isn't nude....Grimm3r said: Kyuu46 said: You sick bastards. Why are you still talking about this? 1) I guess someone necro'd this thread? or 2) discussion leads to understanding, and understanding is important if you want to progress in anything. Not really for the second one. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=302605&show=200#msg11824175 people like that don't understand that lolicon isn't child porn. So there will never be progress. They don't care if they use their characters. Mangaka consider it free advertisement. Also copyright infringement and stealing are not the same thing at all. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=333727 You said a person using a character of theirs in a drawing. They do not care about it. There's nothing wrong with lolicon anyway. |
| ironicatheist, please stop chainposting. When you have to add something to your original post, use the edit button. The reply button is called 'reply' because we use it to respond to new arguments. Not ones you haven't mentioned yet in your post minutes later. ironicatheist said: there is nothing wrong with breaking the rules and letting minors see it? also i know it is accessible to minors and any casual person, i found it through Google, and i was able to view it logged out and logged in when i was a minor... i turned 18, September 29th this year and i reported it as a minor and after... it is still there and it is posted on a "non-profit" organization thing, called CerberusFC there is 2 but the one i am referring to has no space in the name, and is not some sport organization.... http://www.facebook.com/pages/CerberusFC/118839678142857 it's right there, so there is my evidence... The terms of service on Facebook state that "You will not use Facebook if you are under 13"(statement 4 line 5). On that age, kids already know about the birds and the bees, even more than today's adults do. The ToS also mentions "For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it." (statement 1 line 1), meaning that they may distribute it any way they want, as long as it origins from Facebook. If someone were to post something on Facebook, they can use it regardless of the license. If the original artist were to call copyright infringement, Facebook is happy to refer it back to the individual uploading the materials as they officially licensed Facebook to use it. And most importantly, statement 15 line 3 (literal copy, the original is all capitalized): "WE TRY TO KEEP FACEBOOK UP, BUG-FREE, AND SAFE, BUT YOU USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK. WE ARE PROVIDING FACEBOOK AS IS WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. WE DO NOT GUARANTEE THAT FACEBOOK WILL BE SAFE OR SECURE." Feel free to check it out yourself (clicky). There's nothing you can argue about against Facebook, you agreed to all of the above while registering your account. |
ironicatheist said: sorry i'll remember the edit thing... And read the rest too, please. It's pretty relevant, really. |
ironicatheist said: Chavez said: sorry I'll remember the edit thing... ironicatheist, please stop chainposting. When you have to add something to your original post, use the edit button. The reply button is called 'reply' because we use it to respond to new arguments. Not ones you haven't mentioned yet in your post minutes later. ironicatheist said: there is nothing wrong with breaking the rules and letting minors see it? also i know it is accessible to minors and any casual person, i found it through Google, and i was able to view it logged out and logged in when i was a minor... i turned 18, September 29th this year and i reported it as a minor and after... it is still there and it is posted on a "non-profit" organization thing, called CerberusFC there is 2 but the one i am referring to has no space in the name, and is not some sport organization.... http://www.facebook.com/pages/CerberusFC/118839678142857 it's right there, so there is my evidence... The terms of service on Facebook state that "You will not use Facebook if you are under 13"(statement 4 line 5). On that age, kids already know about the birds and the bees, even more than today's adults do. The ToS also mentions "For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it." (statement 1 line 1), meaning that they may distribute it any way they want, as long as it origins from Facebook. If someone were to post something on Facebook, they can use it regardless of the license. If the original artist were to call copyright infringement, Facebook is happy to refer it back to the individual uploading the materials as they officially licensed Facebook to use it. And most importantly, statement 15 line 3 (literal copy, the original is all capitalized): "WE TRY TO KEEP FACEBOOK UP, BUG-FREE, AND SAFE, BUT YOU USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK. WE ARE PROVIDING FACEBOOK AS IS WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. WE DO NOT GUARANTEE THAT FACEBOOK WILL BE SAFE OR SECURE." Feel free to check it out yourself (clicky). There's nothing you can argue about against Facebook, you agreed to all of the above while registering. edit:also they still state porn content is against the rules in something like i mentioned especially when there are links on there site to download it.... and facebook says "nobody under 13" i don't know where you are from, but in America 18 is the legal age for viewing porn, and they allow 13 year olds and up... the link i provided is accessible without logging in and findable from Google, so that means someone who didn't even agree nor even knew what the rules were can see this stuff before they have a chance to even read the agreement... edit again: drunk_samurai i don't mean minors the way you probably do i, i mean someone who is under the age of the legal porn viewing age and it necessarily is not wrong to show a minor porn but it is illegal with the definition of minor i use... meaning by allowing it to be viewable by someone who is not legally allowed to view said material means this person is breaking American laws, and by facebook not doing anything it is either because they are not getting my report for whatever reason or they are refusing to remove it, and if you don't believe me that sexually explicit content is against there policy why is it a reason to report them? if you click report a page it lets you select that the report is about sexually explicit content.... LOL. So? Laws like that don't matter since minors will find the stuff if they are looking for it. The only ones who would care are prudes. Saying that something shouldn't be done because it is against the law is just plain asinine. |
| Hate to break it to you buddy, but Heaven and Hell aren't real places :( EDIT: But to actually reply to your post, you seem to be confusing MORALS and LAWS. The law doesn't/shouldn't enforce morality onto people. The law is there to protect society and all of the people within it. Furthermore, what you are saying about your lack of willpower doesn't nessecarily apply to everyone else. Just because YOU can't handle certain things, doesn't mean the world should change to adapt your specific needs. Can't handle facebook or youtube? Don't use it. In fact, you should probably get off the internet while you are at it since there are a LOT of REAL legal violations going on constantly. |
Grimm3rOct 24, 2011 3:00 PM
| Then stop going over to the rapists house. I don't care if you are going over to see his brother/sister/uncle/dog. You are either going to have to stop going, or get over it. |
ironicatheist said: You lost the argument the moment you brought up morality. You are essentially saying things should be a certain way simply because you say so.also it IS immoral and wrong to have sex in front of children Either way, Facebook has obviously got it's bases covered when it so clearly explains that they "DO NOT GUARANTEE THAT FACEBOOK WILL BE SAFE OR SECURE." As far as I'm concerned, that can only be interpret as an obligation to try to uphold their rules, and not an obligation to provide a specific result, that is, keeping FB completely clean of all objectionable material. And I'm sure any international court would come to the same conclusion. Besides, it's not as if you're entitled to anything. Facebook provides a service for free, and you chose to use it by agreeing to their terms. No matter what they choose to do to the site, you should have no legal right to complain at all. Besides those pictures showed some nipples at best. Assuming you didn't actually click on the links of course, which you obviously wouldn't do. And how many reports do you think the FB mods get every day? Naturally they would have to scale their effort after the need in each case, so it is inevitable that some get left behind. |
| Correct me if I'm wrong, but is something like Facebook really public? It is privately owned, is it not? The corporation could bar you from their site. A corporation would not be able to bar you from a public park. So, the 'rapist' is at a private place, say a night club, and you don't want him there. What I'm saying is no one really cares what you want, except yourself. |
ironicatheist said: They can. And they probably would. but do you think they have time to do everything? Besides, they have not guaranteed to anything either, so they would have all right to allow content they deem illegal if they so choose to ignore their on rules. It would be silly of them, but that's it. They don't have an obligation to anyone.i have NO legal right to complain when there rules say they do not allow that shit.... OK? my point here is that sure they can't stop someone from placing it there, but they CAN remove it once it is there! "Besides those pictures showed some nipples at best." no go down you see a chick grabbing a shota's dick! Their rules impose an obligation on the users not to upload banned content, not the other way around. are you listening? because you are HARMING, or VIOLATING that INNOCENT child! and HARMING and VIOLATING someone INNOCENT is illegal and wrong! i just gave a REASON for it, not just because i say so, but because it is fact you are delusional if you think you are allowed to HARM the INNOCENT! Please, honestly. Parents have been having sex in the same rooms or tents as their kids for thousands of years, and in some cultures they probably still do. There is absolutely zero harm done to let a child watch sex. Sure, you might make a case that extreme fetishes or exaggerated porn might give them unrealistic expectation, but that's it.And if you claim there is, give me scientific proof. Oh that's right, you can't. And who says I can't harm the "innocent"? First of all, if you want to talk about innocence, there is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt. Every living being carry the weight of all the lives that were lost in order for them to live. You probably have the lives of hundreds of children in Africa on your conscience, that all died because they were denied the nessecary resources to live, resources which went to you instead. Besides, even if you buy into the concept of innocence, who says it's wrong to harm them? Being a law student, I can tell you one thing, there is no justice. Only power. The Golden Horde swept over Eurasia, raping, killing, pillaging and committing grand scale genocide, not because it was right or wrong, but because no one had the power to stop them. And you are seriously delusional if you think it is any different today. We enjoy relative peace and stability because our current civilization is stable and promote ideals of justice and equality. But ideals are not truths. |
ironicatheist said: Baman said: "And if you claim there is, give me scientific proof." ok! here's the scientific evidence:ironicatheist said: They can. And they probably would. but do you think they have time to do everything? Besides, they have not guaranteed to anything either, so they would have all right to allow content they deem illegal if they so choose to ignore their on rules. It would be silly of them, but that's it. They don't have an obligation to anyone.i have NO legal right to complain when there rules say they do not allow that shit.... OK? my point here is that sure they can't stop someone from placing it there, but they CAN remove it once it is there! "Besides those pictures showed some nipples at best." no go down you see a chick grabbing a shota's dick! Their rules impose an obligation on the users not to upload banned content, not the other way around. are you listening? because you are HARMING, or VIOLATING that INNOCENT child! and HARMING and VIOLATING someone INNOCENT is illegal and wrong! i just gave a REASON for it, not just because i say so, but because it is fact you are delusional if you think you are allowed to HARM the INNOCENT! Please, honestly. Parents have been having sex in the same rooms or tents as their kids for thousands of years, and in some cultures they probably still do. There is absolutely zero harm done to let a child watch sex. Sure, you might make a case that extreme fetishes or exaggerated porn might give them unrealistic expectation, but that's it.And if you claim there is, give me scientific proof. Oh that's right, you can't. And who says I can't harm the "innocent"? First of all, if you want to talk about innocence, there is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt. Every living being carry the weight of all the lives that were lost in order for them to live. You probably have the lives of hundreds of children in Africa on your conscience, that all died because they were denied the nessecary resources to live, resources which went to you instead. Besides, even if you buy into the concept of innocence, who says it's wrong to harm them? Being a law student, I can tell you one thing, there is no justice. Only power. The Golden Horde swept over Eurasia, raping, killing, pillaging and committing grand scale genocide, not because it was right or wrong, but because no one had the power to stop them. And you are seriously delusional if you think it is any different today. We enjoy relative peace and stability because our current civilization is stable and promote ideals of justice and equality. But ideals are not truths. MYSELF i had my mother have sex with someone right next to me, if it didn't cause problems why does acknowledging it happened cause me to cry EVERYTIME and only with that simple realization i don't suddenly tapp into any other realizations other then "i saw mom have sex" and that simple realization causes me to cry WITHOUT FAIL EVERY TIME.... I'm going into my depression typing this.... Made you cry? Was the guy she was fucking or your mother that ugly? Just because you reacted that way does not mean others would. You just joined today and have nothing on your list anyway. So I'm going to assume you are trolling. |
Drunk_SamuraiOct 24, 2011 4:00 PM
ironicatheist said: Grimm3r said: "Just because YOU can't handle certain things" so we shouldn't make ramps for ppl with wheel chairs? they should just GROW back there legs? But more seriously i could handle it that's not the point, why is it LEGAL or OK to make someone have to have pedophilia thoughts to use your site?....Hate to break it to you buddy, but Heaven and Hell aren't real places :( EDIT: But to actually reply to your post, you seem to be confusing MORALS and LAWS. The law doesn't/shouldn't enforce morality onto people. The law is there to protect society and all of the people within it. Furthermore, what you are saying about your lack of willpower doesn't nessecarily apply to everyone else. Just because YOU can't handle certain things, doesn't mean the world should change to adapt your specific needs. Can't handle facebook or youtube? Don't use it. In fact, you should probably get off the internet while you are at it since there are a LOT of REAL legal violations going on constantly. Why are you picking and choosing my arguments and not looking at them from the right perspective... FACEBOOK DOESN'T ALLOW THAT! meaning I SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE TO HAVE TO LEAVE, I'm the one following the rules! is this other guy? NOPE! get the picture? yes i am aware it is possible to see that shit, but it shouldn't STAY ON THERE... not to mention you do know WHAT morality is for right? protecting the innocent... but lets ignore morality OK? why would it be LEGAL for ppl to HARM the innocent? that's what HITLER did! did we stand by and LET him be racist? NOPE! yes we are supposed to have freedom but there needs to be a point where you can slap someone and say "make it FACTUAL and REASONABLE and FAIR or GTFO!" Sir, I honestly hope you can see the difference between a crime where six million people are killed, and a crime where no one is harmed. |
| @ironicatheist There are always exceptions. I could just as easily say tickling should be illegal, as it is done without consent. In a S&M relationship, while in the traditional sense there may be harm, there isn't more harm than there is pleasure for both individuals. You fail to be persuasive. |
ironicatheist said: Do you know what "scientific" means? If so, you should understand that one personal story isn't worth shit as far as science goes.ok! here's the scientific evidence: Besides, it's most likely not the fact that your mother had sex with you nearby that you have problems with, but the fact that it's not socially acceptable in your environment. Anyways, I don't see what fairness have to do with the subject here, other than to not have stupid moralistic laws that punish people who inflict no harm on anyone. And jobs and racial discrimination? What the hell does that have to do with anything? If you are going to post, at least try not to derail the thread further. And if you're having a mental breakdown or something, just stop posting, that's no excuse to keep making nonsensical double posts. |
DrewTheDoofus said: NAMBLA exists too. It doesn't make it right. Child porn is a sin, whether it's drawn or real. Says who? Certainly not the Bible, which was written hundreds of years before people even considered "age of consent". |
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