| Well I see certain countries truly fear what the mind can do .. and lolicon surely gets them all suspicious what we do with such a manga ..which is why they would take things so far.. |
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| Hey guys was looking up new on Kotaku and saw this article http://kotaku.com/5815335/american-faces-minimum-1-year-in-prison-for-bringing-manga-to-canada-on-his-laptop what do u guys about it. if this has been posted in MAL forums plz tell me so i can delete this -_- |
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medicalmidget said: Only when all movies, videogames, books, et cetera, showing fictional depictions of other illegal activities gets banned too, and there goes 90% of the world's entertainment library.Should lolicon material be banned much like child pornography or is it because of the artwork and ultimately it not being "real" that should keep it where it's at? Really, it goes without saying that such disgustingly unrestrained use of censorship is a fundamental abuse of power and authority to punish people with unusual tastes in fictional entertainment. Pretty much like if I were to put people in jail for watching Code Geass. And such persecution of thoughtcrime only leads towards a full authoritarian nightmare from Orwell's darkest imagination. |
| I don't think that should cause someone to go to jail because lolicon is fiction. |
| In my opinion, no. It's just plain stupid. It's all fiction, so should person get convicted for producing their fantasies on to paper? It's alot better than seeing kids getting raped. |
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Ekutah said: Why would you even save any porn on your computer. So you can watch something you liked another time without too much searching. |
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| Remind me not to bring my laptop abroad. |
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stAtic91 said: Or at least not into places that aspire to become oppressive Orwellian dystopias...Remind me not to bring my laptop abroad. |
| So the Gestapo searched his computer and found loli porn? Ekutah said: Hembe said: Ekutah said: Why would you even save any porn on your computer. So you can watch something you liked another time without too much searching. To me that's not a valid reason. I mean searching or 1 year in prison. I wonder. People who watch/look at/read porn with actors/characters who aren't underage have nothing to worry about. |
| Wow, that's scary. I mean, physical copies of manga I can understand, but to actually be convicted based on digital manga? It's scary enough as it is that just watching something with a loli could land you in jail, but to think that this guy is facing charges for not only possessing child pornography, but also for trying to get it over the border. The big question in my head was how the custom's officer even found the manga in the first place. I understand that routine checks on electronics are required, but to find it like that, without any real intention or reason to search is a little extreme. Maybe the guy had a nice loli pantsu wallpaper or something. |
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| I feel sorry for him, dayumm. |
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| Well, you know what they say about Canada... |
| pfff, Americans think they can get away with anything, everywhere. |
Hembe said: In my opinion, no. It's just plain stupid. It's all fiction, so should person get convicted for producing their fantasies on to paper? It's alot better than seeing kids getting raped. So long as it is fictional violence, that's okay. Fictional sex is where the line is drawn. |
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| Basically you cannot import them by buying or flying. Either way may make you an investigation target. But the internet is not that strictly regulated, it is like a huge candy trap for Japanese artists fans as they just draw them if they like and there is usually no clear separation from the general adult arts. And if anyone ever tried drawing or graphical works, they would know it's just a matter of proportion. (But excluding comic or anything with a story because the content matters.) |
| That guy got screwed over-ay? |
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Onibokusu said: Why? It's not like porn could be used in hijacking or anything.He was an idiot for having anything suggestive whilst being related to lolicon - on a plane. I guess the situation might have been different if he was shipping thousands of doujins in order to sell them or something. But in this case it's pretty much like arresting someone because he had GTA3 on his laptop. |
Baman said: medicalmidget said: Pretty much like if I were to put people in jail for watching Code Geass. I like how you think. |
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| Wow, well this world sucks even more I guess. |
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medicalmidget said: Customs went ahead and checked the contents of his computer. This shocked me as hell. Do they actually have the right to search your personal information on your computer? I don't think they have such a right. If they do then welcome to Orwell's police state. Their evidence should be dismissed as illegally obtained. Authorities should only have such a right when a person is an already suspected criminal and they got special authorization to look at such information for that person alone. You can't just look in the PC of random people. Anyway it seems it's prudent to at least have a bios password and an operating system password on your laptop. |
| I am more confused as to why they decide to search through his laptop, isn't that a invasion of privacy? |
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| Just ridiculous... |
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medicalmidget said: It does sort of put Obama's extension of the Patriot Act into perspective, doesn't it.Domino369 said: Wow, well this world sucks even more I guess. I kind of have to agree. Granted we take a lot of stuff for granted here in America also. We have a hell of a lot more freedom than most people think. Thank god I don't live in Canada. |
Hypno-girl said: Baman said: medicalmidget said: Pretty much like if I were to put people in jail for watching Code Geass. I like how you think. I laughed |
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I_Love_Metty said: Well, you know what they say about Canada... canada have a good reputation, iv been there and i like it so stfu |
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Confucius said: I am more confused as to why they decide to search through his laptop, isn't that a invasion of privacy? I was wondering the same thing. |
Onibokusu said: Why shouldn't it be a crime? The argument supporting Canada's law is that 'it's considered illegal in Canada', whilst the only argument against it is 'it's not real'. "There is no ought from is." Just because it's illegal doesn't mean that it should be illegal. Onibokusu said: Tell me, if one was to possess an image of a naked child (for illicit use), wouldn't that also be 'imaginary'. Whether the child was harmed or not is unknown, and the child surely isn't being raped. It doesn't necessarily mean the one in possession of the image is capable of sexually assaulting a child either. What's the difference when it comes to a drawn child? You're not sure if the image was drawn with a model or not, and if it wasn't it means a reference was probably used (if it was a somewhat realistic drawing), and that reference would have most likely been a human child in some form. The one possessing said image might not be capable of sexually assaulting a child either. This is why both sexually oriented lolita and child pornography often come hand-in-hand when it comes to child pornography laws. Australia, Canada and Japan are only a few of many countries that have laws that work like this. If CP wasn't illegal it would be more wide spread and real children would suffer. In drawing loli like character there is no way for real child to suffer. Besides if loli were allowed the demand for real CP, where real children get hurt, would also drop. And then comes the problem of determining what is a child in drawn picture. If I drew a stick figures having sex and told that other is 12 years, would that be considered illegal? what if I made child like character but told that it's actually a robot? By your reasoning books, games and every other medium that contain illegal actions or things that could be considered substitute for real life illegal act should be illegal as well. Though there is no that much of a difference between the two in your example you still can't tell if the child was forced in the picture. Which can't be the case with drawn picture. Onibokusu said: To compared sexual oriented lolita to murder in a game like Grand Theft Auto 4 is silly. Their purpose is entirely different. Sexually oriented lolita is created for the purpose of pleasuring yourself to the image of a pseudo child, whilst Grand Theft Auto is designed for entertainment on the level of competition and goal achieving. GTA was not designed to be a substitute for real, in the flesh murder. So you're saying that since it wasn't developed to be substitute for real life murder someone can't use it for such purpose? And who's saying that every lolicon is using drawings for substitute of real child? That would be same as saying that "the porn that portrays "rape scenarios" is also substitute for real rape." |
| That's just stupid. It's only a fiction artwork. What's the big deal about it? |
Onibokusu said: But it was designed so people would be able to enjoy themselves by committing crimes and massacres that aren't legal IRL.To compared sexual oriented lolita to murder in a game like Grand Theft Auto 4 is silly. Their purpose is entirely different. Sexually oriented lolita is created for the purpose of pleasuring yourself to the image of a pseudo child, whilst Grand Theft Auto is designed for entertainment on the level of competition and goal achieving. GTA was not designed to be a substitute for real, in the flesh murder. And every online FPS is essentially based on the thrill of hunting other humans and triumphing over them in feats of arms. So these are all similar, they are fictional depictions made to allow it's users to enjoy a more or less simulated experience of illegal activities. In the end, the problem is that this completely arbitrary border drawn for lolicon could easily be stretched to encompass any depiction of illegal acts, and in the end, anything that is deemed immoral or even political views or expressions that are not wanted by the regime. This is a one way ticket to a dystopic authoritarian regime. So again, I cannot see the essential difference between banning this and or anything else that depicts criminal acts, because there isn't one. Then you have the basic principle of all civilized legal systems; to make as little intervention in people's lives and human rights as is possible. And fining or jailing someone for owning material that illustrates a fictional illegal act is nothing short of punishing someone for thoughtcrime. It is an unjust intervention into a person's private sphere based on no harmful actions from the person involved. To put it simple, it is abuse of power. And how ironic it is that in their heedless zeal in protecting children, the government go as far as to invent fictional crimes and abuse innocents instead of focusing on actual criminals. It's a farce. |
animelly said: That's just stupid. It's only a fiction artwork. What's the big deal about it? People will think that he'll get into real little girls. |
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| Wow. Normal porn is just as bad if not worse than lolicon shit >_> |
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