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| I admit that Kyubey was cute when playing catch with Homura. It's like he's a real sidekick or something. Otherwise, the series was a great watch; very entertaining. I'm glad that there was no happy ending. 18/20 |
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| The only thing I didn't think ahead of before the final two episodes aired was the timing of the broadcast. I was so pre-occupied over the idea of the broadcast date possibly occuring over the IRL Walpurgistnacht that the idea of a religious reference completely flew over my head. That was honestly well-played SHAFT. You deserve a 10 simply because of that plot. Everything else was icing. |
Will I fall in love someday? I wonder? |
| Absolutely amazing. I'm just not going to say any more other than 9/10. |
OnyxthegreatApr 25, 2011 1:32 AM
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| no wonder this scored 8.93 but i think this deserve to be scored 9.00 : |
Valaskjalf said: This series was so bad that it took the whole series for the main character to realize that she had to wish for the witches to disappear. Congratulation Madoka, you have just proven that you're not an idiot, though it took you 12 episodes to realize the logic thing to do. Mahou Shoujo Madoka, you tried to be Evangelion version magical girl, you probably failed but the show's a gold mine right now so I won't blame Shaft for doing business. We wouldn't have much of a story if she figured that out in episode 1 you know. Do you think your post is actually making sense? Or you probably are wondereing why the ending is always on the last episode of a show, when it could be in the first episode? |
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I liked the ending. The only part that I have a problem with is this. What the hell's going on? |
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SomeIdiot said: I liked the ending. The only part that I have a problem with is this. What the hell's going on? My interpretation of this is Homura outlast all her opponents and other mahou shoujos and survived till the end of human civilazation. In that last scene, what we seeing is Homura's soul gem almost exhausted and she's starting to become a witch herself. That's why she heard Madoka's voice because at this point Homura is ready to join all the other Mahou Shoujo who escaped corruption and become a witch by being saved by Madoka's wish. I hope you get what I'm saying here. |
GhostalkerApr 25, 2011 4:35 AM
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| oh wooowww .. wooow . just wow . this anime wow'ed me . I'm glad i don't judge anime by the poster .. I'm not really sure what happen after Madoka saved them from turning to witches.. Do the Mahou shoujo live ? cuz seems to me like they fainted .. does that mean they die ? huh ? Ghostalker said: SomeIdiot said: I liked the ending. The only part that I have a problem with is this. What the hell's going on? My interpretation of this is Homura outlast all her opponents and other mahou shoujos and survived till the end of human civilazation. In that last scene, what we seeing is Homura's soul gem almost exhausted and she's starting to become a witch herself. That's why she heard Madoka's voice because at this point Homura is ready to join all the other Mahou Shoujo who escaped corruption and become a witch by being saved by Madoka's wish. I hope you get what I'm saying here. also . sooo ..shes gonna join the other Mahou shoujo .. Join them where ? |
HAKUNA MATATA it means no worries I'm a lazy maiden . So lazy you can say if there are work on the bed, I would rather sleep on the floor. |
| I've finished this two days ago... And was left speechless. After several minutes of gazing on the black screen, I've decided to raise my score from 9 to 10/10. My 8th score of that value in ~150 shows, so it's pretty rare thing... Now I finished rewatching whole series, and my opinion only got solidified... Characters, animation, BGM and OP/ED... I've liked them very much. Story... Every little piece falls in proper place. It is exactly what I like and appreciate. Ending is a masterpiece, I was expecting anything from "everybody's dead, universe ceases it's existence" to "and they lived happily everafter". But THAT has caught me unprepared... I never though about messiah themed finale before watching last ep - Madoka disappears, yet she isn't dead; she is alive, but not among humans. And her wish was perfect. Two simple, flawless sentences, giving her the right to execute it herself and a self-protection from nasty effects of being mahou-shoujo... Effectively, recreate the whole world and redefine the human-incubator system. Urobuchi is a genius after all... |
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| Stand down, Haruhi. There's a new goddess in town. Great Ending. Now I have to re-download the whole thing and watch it again. |
RebasApr 27, 2011 9:59 PM
| I can't justify a rating higher than 9. Although a great series, it didn't touch on any actual issues or try to be more than it appears. And the concept of the series, that entropy in the universe is causing a loss of energy, goes against the very basic laws of physics. Conservation of energy, you can not create, nor destroy energy, only transform it. |
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| Just me or the rating of this series went from 8.60 to 8.93? Total deserves it... I'm just surprised at a .33 point increase in a day... |
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| This was the best series I've watched in a while. It held my attention the whole way and is one of the only anime i could not predict the end, I loved it. 10/10, last time i gave that was with Code Geass and is well over 2 years ago. The only thing i found bad about this show was that i had to wait a month (or longer) for the last 2 eps. Omniknight said: Just me or the rating of this series went from 8.60 to 8.93? Total deserves it... I'm just surprised at a .33 point increase in a day... No i ain't surprised, i even thought rating was frozen for the last 3-4 days as the rating was constantly 8.60. So it was probably recently adjusted. |
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Vinter said: And the concept of the series, that entropy in the universe is causing a loss of energy, goes against the very basic laws of physics. Conservation of energy, you can not create, nor destroy energy, only transform it. QB was speaking about phenomena called heat death of the universe, when entropy reaches it's possible maximum value and no more energy could change it's form and is equally distributed in all available space. This effectively leads to world where nothing moves, nothing changes - literally, dead universe. From this point of view, energy is not being destroyed, it just getting more and more useless. This is the "loss" he was talking about. Although I will agree that time scale needed to achieve this state and amount of energy needed to be "created" to counter this process are just ridiculous... However this is an anime, not all physics laws must work the same way as in our universe ;) Omniknight said: Just me or the rating of this series went from 8.60 to 8.93? No, it really went up that much... Yesterday it was ranked 46th place, today it's 9th... But probably it will stop near this point... |
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Omniknight said: Yeah, I think it was missing around 4k votes. With this, it brought it up to... ninth! Ahead of Gurren Langen, and just .02 from Eva 2.0 and .03 from Geass R2, so it can possibly get up to 7th, but the 6th (Clannad AF) is far away (9.10).Just me or the rating of this series went from 8.60 to 8.93? Total deserves it... I'm just surprised at a .33 point increase in a day... I was absolutely not expecting such an increase, surpassed my expectations. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."  |
| Only one word to describe this series: epic. |
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| Well, this was a freaking good anime. Although the end was a bit confusing, I totally loved it. 10/10, that's my third 10 out of 296 animes, haha. |
| Anyone have a detailed theory on the ending sequence? There's a few flying around, but not really well supported. |
OmniknightApr 25, 2011 3:57 PM
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thebettercake said: Apparently you confuse the concept of gods with omnipotency. Greek Gods were gods yet were not omnipotent. They ruled over certain aspects, with a few of them ruling over the rest. Madoka fits the concept of a god-entity in a similar way. She rules over Hope and erradicates despair. To do this she, with her own power, rewrote the universe's laws. I say that's god-level power.Just to clarify, how is Madoka a "god?" It's not really being God if you just control the concepts of witches. |
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| it seems that madoka=jesus |
| Well, now that things have slowed down a bit (took almost a week! xD), I'll start dishing out my usual speculah. 1- This may look obivous at first, but think about it: was there really a reason for Madoka not to exist anymore, in this universe? Well, not the Madoka we know, obviously. But still, in this new universe, was there anything keeping Junko from having a beautiful, well-behaved, pink haired girl called Madoka? I don't think so. One point I heard against this is that, since the Madokas (and, consequentially, everyone else) from the different timelines were connect, removing one of them would remove them all. Well, two things against this: first, this isn't a new timeline, it's a new universe. Second, even then, one has to consider how could that possibly have any effect on Madoka's birth in this universe. To use a blunt example: are you going to tell me that the continuum between universes and timelines and whatever somehow kept the condom from breaking that night? 2- The scene where goddess Madoka blows up the witch created by her own Soul Gem. This was the pivotal moment of the entire anime, the outcome of it deciding the entire future. And, in my opinion, it could have taken a different course. Namely, by NOT blowing up the entire universe afterwards. So, Madoka destroys the witch spawned by herself, which is a paradox. That is true. But wouldn't that only be a paradox to herself, and not the entire universe? Then, while she should have vanished from existence, like she did, why was the universe also destroyed? Some will point out that Kyuubey says "she created enough hope to create an universe, and so also enough despair to destroy a universe". This is going by gg, so care must be taken. But still, if the subs are correct, we are talking about an amount of despair that can destroy the universe, not an amount of despair that will destroy the universe if it's destroyed. And to be honest, that makes no sense to me either. Zero-sum is an outcome of the events in the universe, not a rule that dictates it (although this is open to interpretation). It seems very suspicious that the universe would be destroyed simply because a large amount of despair was destroyed just to adhere to that rule. And if that was the case, it was a rather cheap shot. Now, purists will kill me for this, but I do believe that adhering to zero-sum to the very end is not what made Madoka, Madoka. At that moment, they could have broken it, and I would be fine with it. One also has to consider that, maybe, destroying that mega-witch would not go against zero-sum. Madoka's Soul Gem brought hope, then it turned into that thing, and it brought despair. No different than any other witch, and the universe wasn't destroyed when other witches were killed. Specially Sayaka: her life as a witch was very short, and thus she could not have killed enough people as she saved as a puella, and thus her effect on the universe was a positive one, even considering Kyoko's death. So, again, destroying her own soul (Gem) as a motive to erase Madoka? Sure. Was it enough motive to destroy the universe? I don't think so. (troll alternative: keep zero-sum, throw giant grief comet to the farther edge of the universe and let it haunt lone photons there) 3- Mami and/or Kyoko should have been shown alive in the end, at least one of them. Not for themselves, but to show that the fight went on. Let me explain: they were the outer characters of the main cast. Madoka was Madoka, Homura was Homura, and Sayaka was Madoka's friend and the closest thing to a common human. Mami and Kyoko were, in my view, representations of the other puellae, worldwide. Two veterans, with different approaches to the business, but dedicated nonetheless. Their existence was a mirror of the world that lied beyond Madoka & Company. Thus, getting rid of both of them in the end gives out the impression that Homura is truly alone, with only Madoka's mental support. That was uncalled for: if the fight between balanced good and evil goes on, and demons keep on striking, then so should the puellae. And since those two were their representation... Lastly, Kalafina got trolled. Magia was only the ending for half the episodes (3-8), plus a few times featured in the episode proper, while Connect was in every episode, whether as the opening or ending. |
BrickBreakApr 26, 2011 7:22 AM
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
| "Despite the long delay, the initial version of the episode, which aired on MBS and TBS, was censored while compared to the one that was later shown on Nico Nico Douga and other web streaming sites. Omitted were few shots in the shelter, showing an exact replica of a satellite map made after the 2011 Sendai Earthquake, and a closeup shot of Homura's leg broken under a rock." Quoted from: http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Episode_11 http://images.puella-magi.net/2/2c/Ep11_Nico_earthquake.jpg http://images.puella-magi.net/5/5f/Ep11_Nico_Homura.jpg |
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| Ok, this series doesn't need a second season. Above average. Good final episode even if full of BS. It was logical but it seems weird the Incubators didn't envision the power to change the laws of the Universe in the first place. Very shaky there. It still provided a proper ending... ...so 8/10. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| I now regret not posting my expectations for the ending, just to prove that it was predictable. (Which people for some reason couldn't believe) In other words, no surprise there. But it was a pleasant watch. I like the series. Incubator~! I would've been disappointed if Madoka didn't do what she did. Everything kinda pointed at it. The real question was whether it would be allowed or not. |
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wakka9ca said: well, she didn't actually changed any law, only heavily modified the timeline, making an event end right after it starts, but she didn't removed the event (you can say she abused of the timetravel power, as homura did)Ok, this series doesn't need a second season. Above average. Good final episode even if full of BS. It was logical but it seems weird the Incubators didn't envision the power to change the laws of the Universe in the first place. Very shaky there. It still provided a proper ending... ...so 8/10. if for hipothesis, madoka really vanished all the universe would turn back as it was before edit. if i'm right about madoka's timetravel method, then madoka vanishing should not be enouth to revert the universe as it was before her wish, the only way to revert the universe back would be having an other magical girl with the same power and the will to negate each single of madoka's changes BrickBreak said: i'm still thinking about that too (with also why sayaka's phantom seemed to remember the original madoka, or it was an interpretation and sayaka didn't remembered her even when dead)1- This may look obivous at first, but think about it: was there really a reason for Madoka not to exist anymore, in this universe? Well, not the Madoka we know, obviously. But still, in this new universe, was there anything keeping Junko from having a beautiful, well-behaved, pink haired girl called Madoka? I don't think so. i think madoka's disappearance is an effect of the timetravel method she use, which it looks different from homura's maybe anytime madoka changes time-location she move with all her existence, so it looks like she vanish in her previous time-location if it's like that, madoka's existence in the present of homura/sayaka/mami/kyouko isn't there because her existence is somewhere else busy taking care of her wish-duty what i don't get it's why she can't spend some time with her existence in her original location, maybe that's a limitation from the wish, which makes her to use her existence only for her duty and nothing else now i'm thinking timetravel can be more broken than what i used to believe >.> |
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deex said: Vinter said: And the concept of the series, that entropy in the universe is causing a loss of energy, goes against the very basic laws of physics. Conservation of energy, you can not create, nor destroy energy, only transform it. QB was speaking about phenomena called heat death of the universe, when entropy reaches it's possible maximum value and no more energy could change it's form and is equally distributed in all available space. This effectively leads to world where nothing moves, nothing changes - literally, dead universe. From this point of view, energy is not being destroyed, it just getting more and more useless. This is the "loss" he was talking about. Although I will agree that time scale needed to achieve this state and amount of energy needed to be "created" to counter this process are just ridiculous... However this is an anime, not all physics laws must work the same way as in our universe ;) Omniknight said: Just me or the rating of this series went from 8.60 to 8.93? No, it really went up that much... Yesterday it was ranked 46th place, today it's 9th... But probably it will stop near this point... Heat death of the universe is considered one of the less probable scenarios. Seeing how proton decay has never been proven to even exist. But then Madoka treats time as a line, so scientific accuracy is too much to ask. thebettercake said: Just to clarify, how is Madoka a "god?" It's not really being God if you just control the concepts of witches. A God is just a deity worshipped as having dominion over a certain element of the world, of life, or a force. |
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razor39999 said: @BrickBreak You're too focused on happy endings imo. This anime was nothing more or less than an ode to and interpretation of the emotion of despair and to an extent its opposite - hope. The way they went about it is imposing a fundamental principle (a physical within-Madoka universe law if you will) on itself - to have equal amounts of both. Expecting something else would be like expecting one or all of the fundamental forces (electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear force and gravitation) to work completely opposite to what they are irl. I probably am, but I have to digest things logically. What matters most to me is not the laws they impose on the universe they created, but how their existence and maintenance are justified. Example: - The reason why Puellas turn into witches: they exhaust their power/are corrupted by grief. This is the justification, and zero-sum is the result. - The reason why the universe blew up: to maintain zero-sum. See what I'm saying? Then again, do not think I want them alive atop Mitakihara's radio/tv/whatever tower happily throwing water balloons, if that's what you think an happy ending is to me. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
zeando34 said: well, she didn't actually changed any law, only heavily modified the timeline, making an event end right after it starts, but she didn't removed the event (you can say she abused of the timetravel power, as homura did) if for hipothesis, madoka really vanished all the universe would turn back as it was before edit. if i'm right about madoka's timetravel method, then madoka vanishing should not be enouth to revert the universe as it was before her wish, the only way to revert the universe back would be having an other magical girl with the same power and the will to negate each single of madoka's changes "if for hipothesis, madoka really vanished all the universe would turn back as it was before " The way I see it the universe Madoka came from was destroyed,as QB said,her wish had enough despair in it to do that,but it also had enough power to create a new one with the laws rewritten according to her wish,in this new universe Madoka doesn't time travel,she doesn't need to,she's not an entity anymore,she's at every instant from the past and future at the same time,that way there's no way she couldn't be there to prevent a girl from being a witch. |
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| I've read some opinions about Madoka, and I would like to say that now after I finished this series half an hour ago I really found it a great ending. It's a bit complicated, and I didn't understood everything first. Also it felt like as if it was not completely done, as if there was something that should've been explained or that we should've seen, but I don't know what. It feels unsatisfied, but at the same time also satisfied because it's you really know it's an ending. It may seem kinda weird, but that's my point of view. |
Vinter said: I can't justify a rating higher than 9. Although a great series, it didn't touch on any actual issues or try to be more than it appears. And the concept of the series, that entropy in the universe is causing a loss of energy, goes against the very basic laws of physics. Conservation of energy, you can not create, nor destroy energy, only transform it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe Actually it perfectly coincides with the laws of physics. |
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linnaes said: Vinter said: I can't justify a rating higher than 9. Although a great series, it didn't touch on any actual issues or try to be more than it appears. And the concept of the series, that entropy in the universe is causing a loss of energy, goes against the very basic laws of physics. Conservation of energy, you can not create, nor destroy energy, only transform it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe Actually it perfectly coincides with the laws of physics. No it doesn't. Protons don't decay. |
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Vinter said: I would expect you guys to bitch at the fact that they got the Heat Death theory backwards, not that it doesn't exist.linnaes said: Vinter said: I can't justify a rating higher than 9. Although a great series, it didn't touch on any actual issues or try to be more than it appears. And the concept of the series, that entropy in the universe is causing a loss of energy, goes against the very basic laws of physics. Conservation of energy, you can not create, nor destroy energy, only transform it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe Actually it perfectly coincides with the laws of physics. No it doesn't. Protons don't decay. |
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| Whether protons decay or not has nothing to do with whether or not the overall entropy of the universe is increasing (which it is). If the universe is to expand indefinitely, there's no denying that a heat death will happen. |
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razor39999 said: First, thanks for understanding.Well for one I wouldn't say the universe blew up, it just got reformatted because of the strength of Madoka's wish. And even in the original universe the zero sum wasn't just the result, it was the underlying principle. Thinking of it another way, the very first "generation" of magical girls probably didn't have anything to fight since we have no indication of witches spawning without having been magical girls before (whether directly or from another witch as a familiar). Though, the very miracle those initial wishes made possible eventually backfired on their psyche and made the first generation of witches (the moment of ultimate happiness turning inevitably into despair that we saw with Mami and Sayaka). That alone would probably indicate that the zero-sum principle was there all along. Madoka's wish only made it so that the despair can manifest without the need for the girls to feel it directly, and in fact could be (and probably is) the despair she herself is feeling from all those witches across time. And by happy ending that you seem to prefer I meant any ending that would make the overall despair a bit less, not just the one the girls themselves have to go through. Well, I wouldn't call that a reformatting. A reformatting was what happened while Madoka did her job, and afterwards, in the new universe. But that's semantics. My point is, whatever happened there should not have happened the instant she destroyed the mega-witch. It just makes no sense. Unless, as you say, zero-sum is the ultimate rule of the universe, and therefore an action such as Madoka's, which erased despair without consuming an equal amount of hope, would not be tolerable, and thus lead to that result. I can see that happening, but as I said in my original post, that's kind of a cheap shot. "Oh, your actions were perfect, you put yourself in a flawless position to eliminate despair without any consequences other than for yourself. But even if everything was done right, that can't be allowed, so let's blank everything." But assuming if zero-sum is an inescapable rule: does that action really broke it? I mean, as I said in my OP, one also has to consider that, maybe, destroying that mega-witch would not go against zero-sum. Madoka's Soul Gem brought hope, then it turned into that thing, and it brought despair. And then it was destroyed. No different than any other witch. It was destroyed by Madoka herself, which is a paradox for herself alone, but that's about it. Vinter said: linnaes said: Vinter said: I can't justify a rating higher than 9. Although a great series, it didn't touch on any actual issues or try to be more than it appears. And the concept of the series, that entropy in the universe is causing a loss of energy, goes against the very basic laws of physics. Conservation of energy, you can not create, nor destroy energy, only transform it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe Actually it perfectly coincides with the laws of physics. No it doesn't. Protons don't decay. Heat death is possible even without proton decay, it will just take much, much longer. But even if it didn't, it's not heat death that worries the Incubators as humanity and all other civilizations will be gone long before it. Regardless of proton decay, star formation will cease, the planets' orbits will decay, and finally super black holes will form. I wouldn't be more worried about that, if I were them. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
linnaes said: Whether protons decay or not has nothing to do with whether or not the overall entropy of the universe is increasing (which it is). If the universe is to expand indefinitely, there's no denying that a heat death will happen. Heat death is only possible in a closed universe. There is no real evidence to suggest that's the case. Leon-Gun said: I would expect you guys to bitch at the fact that they got the Heat Death theory backwards, not that it doesn't exist. Details. xD |
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| Wow. That was just... I can't think of a more fitting end to this series. It was wonderful. And I cried. 10/10 |
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NilviusApr 26, 2011 6:52 PM
| Well, that ending certainly threw me for a loop. Shaft seems to have spent most of the animation budget on that last episode! Can't help but think the scene involving Homura at the very end is a sequel hook though. Solidified this as one of my favorite anime to date, it was a quality experience and a tense roller coaster ride from beginning to end. |
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| It's a very unexpected ending and a little confusing to me at first. I almost thought of "what the hell is going on?" But when I watched again the last episode, I finally found the value in this anime. Great anime for me. :) |
| And then they proceeded with a deus ex machina ending on the Walpurgis Night. Well, everything else is quite good besides that so 9/10 |
| This was an excellent final episode! What made it a masterpiece was the unfairness of it all. Madoka sacrificed herself to rid the world (past, present, and future) of all witches, only to have them be replaced by demons. Thus, the Puella Magi still have to go on fighting for the Incubators...that now use demons as their source of energy. So, was the chain really broken? |
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-Quasar said: And then they proceeded with a deus ex machina ending It's not deus ex machina if the whole show spends time setting up the ending. |
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| What I don't really like about the ending is that it completely ignores the chaos theory, specifically, the butterfly effect. What I'm trying to say is that with respect to the chaos theory, having laws of the universe changed by Madoka would mean a totally different world in the present. The first Puellae Magi in history would have a totally different experience fighting demons than they had with witches, which would make their thoughts, and consequently, actions, totally different. With respect to the butterfly effect, one historic Puella Magi going into a different cave one day might mean someone not being born, someone else inventing the wheel, things like that. That would not necessarily mean a totally, conceptually different world, it would probably still look pretty similar to the one from the original timeline. However, I'm pretty sure NOBODY of the original cast would have been born. Madoka, Homura, Sayaka, Mami, Kyouko... even Junko and Tomohisa. It'd be just a totally different Earth. I'd forgive the existence of Homura, as she has been somehow "chosen" by Madoka. But the anime depicts a largely identical universe, with all the original cast present, heck - even with Junko and Tomohisa having only child who is identical to their second child from the original timeline. Is that even believable? Tatsuya is over 10 years younger than Madoka, can you even imagine a couple suspending their desire to have a child for so long? Of course, it can be interpreted as Madoka supervising the world and recreating it as close as possible to what she remembers. That makes some sense, but... well, I don't believe even she would be powerful enough to make the world THAT close to the original timeline. Since I love the series, and the ending was executed extremely well, I have the willing suspension of disbelief. The ending can also be interpreted symbolically, and has a great emotional impact how it is, which probably would be impossible to achieve with respect to the chaos theory. But I just have to point it out. BrickBreak said: Lastly, Kalafina got trolled. Magia was only the ending for half the episodes (3-8), plus a few times featured in the episode proper, while Connect was in every episode, whether as the opening or ending. Magia was the ending for eps 3-8, and was used as an insert song in eps 1, 2 and 10. So it's used in 9 episodes out of 12, ie. 75% of them. Not that bad. Then, I'm pretty sure that it wasn't featured in eps 9 and 11 just for time constraints and the BD versions will feature proper ending. That'll mean featuring Magia in 11 out of 12 episodes, ie. 91,7%. And more than that, Magia is great, so those 9 episodes was more than enough to promote it ;) |
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BrickBreak said: Lastly, Kalafina got trolled. Magia was only the ending for half the episodes (3-8), plus a few times featured in the episode proper, while Connect was in every episode, whether as the opening or ending. Yeah, being used in 9 episodes is enough really, especially considering the reasoning for not being an ending in the first two episodes. Plus Kalafina are a unit owned by Yuki Kajiura who did the soundtrack, so hey. |
| I liked the "cold" endings in those episodes. Even though credits on those scenes prevented me from using them in AMVs but still, it was a nice touch, I'm not questioning that. Do not get me wrong, I love Magia, a lot more than Connect in fact. I wouldn't be talking if I didn't xD I wonder how Magia would have worked as the OP... |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
totoum said: -Quasar said: And then they proceeded with a deus ex machina ending It's not deus ex machina if the whole show spends time setting up the ending. Oh yes it is. Madoka suddenly grew a brain and wished for something that will solve everything, made the whole universe explode and turn her into a God which was never thought by the previous Madoka's? Why is that? Sounds like very deus ex machina to me. |
-Quasar said: She didn't suddenly grow a brain. Arguably, the entire anime up to ep 12, particularly eps 9 and 11, showed how her mind evolved from being innocent and ignorant to that.totoum said: -Quasar said: And then they proceeded with a deus ex machina ending It's not deus ex machina if the whole show spends time setting up the ending. Oh yes it is. Madoka suddenly grew a brain and wished for something that will solve everything, made the whole universe explode and turn her into a God which was never thought by the previous Madoka's? Why is that? Sounds like very deus ex machina to me. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
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