| Maybe, maybe not. I don't see how this new arrangement is clearly more beneficial to the studio. I remember reading a few years ago that Netflix was notorious for low-balling Japanese studios for their Netflix ONAs. Maybe that's changed, maybe it hasn't. I can't think of a good reason why Netflix would be suddenly more accommodating in their negotiations compared to production committees comprised of Japanese publishers and broadcasters. For all I know, Netflix may end up getting an even bigger share of the profits than production committees, while MAPPA gets saddled with even more risk and an even smaller share of the profits. Maybe MAPPA had their arm twisted into signing this deal. We just don't have the details. I guess it's a positive that this deal showed the other anime studios an alternative route to consider. EDIT: I remembered: in 2021, there was an animator working on Yasuke for MAPPA that complained on Twitter that the project was paying bottom rate by industry standards, thanks to Netflix: https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/animators-paid-a-mere-34-cut-on-mappa-anime-show-for-netflix-says-animator-206690.html (FYI I didn't read about it on this website, but I do remember the story) |
perseiiYesterday, 9:06 PM
deg said: so ye this means mappa or any other anime studio in the future will have more profit from this direct deal with netflix or any other big companies They will still cut corners like every other big company does. |
deg said: so ye this means mappa or any other anime studio in the future will have more profit from this direct deal with netflix or any other big companies Ah yes Netflix, the company notoriously known for giving creators/studio money...... https://www.cbr.com/netflix-anime-payment-royalties-backlash/ https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/a/jose-martinez/squid-game-creator-gets-no-royalties-ip-ownership-netflix |
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| 1. There will not be some "woke" phase for Mappa, that's silly. 2. Censorship only affects the series if they have a terrible timeslot where kids are watching tv at that time. |
 "Hard work is worthless for those that don’t believe in themselves" - Naruto Uzumaki I rate by enjoyment |
deg said: but i keep seeing fans on social media says that mappa will become woke This is the real problem we need to talk about more. I hear Netflix hires women and won't discriminate against gay people!!! What if they try and force these same values on MAPPA?!?!?! Is it just a Trojan horse by Netflix to bring woke communism SJW cuckery buckery to Japan!?!?! Could this be the beginning of the end for anime!?!?! I'm just asking questions!  |
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deg said:
but i keep seeing fans on social media says that mappa will become woke
but i keep seeing fans on social media says that mappa will become woke
This is the real problem we need to talk about more. I hear Netflix hires women and won't discriminate against gay people!!! What if they try and force these same values on MAPPA?!?!?! Is it just a Trojan horse by Netflix to bring woke communism SJW cuckery buckery to Japan!?!?! Could this be the beginning of the end for anime!?!?! I'm just asking questions!
| @KittenCuddler yep the anime industry will become the next disney or hollywood overall /s china will save us with their own censorship /s |
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deg said:
but i keep seeing fans on social media says that mappa will become woke
but i keep seeing fans on social media says that mappa will become woke
This is the real problem we need to talk about more. I hear Netflix hires women and won't discriminate against gay people!!! What if they try and force these same values on MAPPA?!?!?! Is it just a Trojan horse by Netflix to bring woke communism SJW cuckery buckery to Japan!?!?! Could this be the beginning of the end for anime!?!?! I'm just asking questions!
| @KittenCuddler This song and dance again. I saw how it went for video games. When you don't hire on merit your employees become a bit useless. What is the anime equivalent of being unable to write your own game engine? To every game environment being scans of real life? What will the ratio of creative integrity:political propaganda be? Why is there no living person that fits the description of the global audience? Needless to say nothing good will come of it. It skirts the prohibition of foreign money in Japanese business. It moves the honey overseas. |
| aren't Mappa the ones who made the pointless Ranma 1/2 Remake? shit company + shit company = double dose of shite. Nothing out of the ordinary. |
| Netflix of all companies doesn't sound like the one to fix this issue honestly. |
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@ProudElitist mappa is just hired by the production committee of ranma
but this direct deal with netflix means they can do mostly original anime shows
also
'90s Anime Remakes Will 'Accelerate Even Further' in 2026, According to Official Japan Report
https://www.cbr.com/anime-remakes-will-accelerate-official-2026-report/
but this direct deal with netflix means they can do mostly original anime shows
also
'90s Anime Remakes Will 'Accelerate Even Further' in 2026, According to Official Japan Report
https://www.cbr.com/anime-remakes-will-accelerate-official-2026-report/
| @deg I don't care if they're hired or whatever, shit company are and shit company remain and their remake is completely and utterly pointless. And if they produce original anime shows following what shitflix tells them to do (I couldn't care of their budget for animes or not, it's not the budget that counts), whatever I won't watch them, hell I won't even pirate them as they're not even worth of pirating. As simple as it can be. |
| now i can't remember the exact newzbyte i read online. but a Japanese governmental agency published a periodical study they do of various industries inside their country. this part was on the anime industry and surveys were sent to lots of employees including 'grunts in the trenches' and 'the big bosses' and 'mid-management bosses' and the results i read in that article... astounded me as a worker in the USA. contracts signed but not finalized till the project was DONE! were giant numbers to me! shocked my socks off! the studios don't have FULL LEGAL PROTECTION provided by a contract till the work is done and ready to go to market 100%? to me that's just plain nuts! recuts/re-edits/reshoots/new VA recordings WERE NOT PAID FOR by the funding committee to the studios in question due to clauses stating these items were 'studio ERRORS and that studios' responsibility'! effing strange to me! :O more man-hours were not paid for??? OP mentioned royalties and residuals. the article i read mentioned that one too. i get that one. every studio should get paid SOMETHING over time for their hard work. but the laws and contracts for rights and licenses and copyrights and registered trademarks etc. in Japan would have to be restructured to provide royalties and residuals for anime studios. unpaid OverTime. yep the contracts and agreements between committees and studios is partially to blame for low wages, overwork, and underpaying... not just 'the evil studio isn't paying their peeps enough cash!' scheduling the project. power disparity between the committees and the studios. this dovetailed inside the article to the studios not having a concrete written contract with the paying entities. this bordered on ILLEGAL ACTS according to the study's authors. there is a law in Japan (i forget the citation from the article) that MAKES IT A CRIME to 'screw with negotiations' to the point that ONE entity in the agreement has MORE power etc. in the agreement than the OTHER entities. unpaid outsourcing work. once more dovetailed into no contract at the start of the project and power imbalance between committees and studios. if the anime studio suddenly needs more hours or a new outsourcing payment schedule? the STUDIO originating the need pays the cash and often does NOT get reimbursed for that cost. another point i forgot from the study's results. distribution. multiple studio responses mentioned THEY HAD ZERO POWER OR PAYMENT as it pertained to distributing/selling their work. so if 'committee A' finds a foreign distributor and THEY get paid, they do NOT have to pay the STUDIO responsible for the work that income! that ENTIRELY CUTS OFF a revenue stream for the studio and keeps that cash inside the production committee system! the concluding statement in this study? the authors felt that the ENTIRE ANIMATION INDUSTRY OF JAPAN needs to be re-regulated and more tightly controlled by 'the state' because free market competition is being ABUSED by the present-day systems in place. now if MAPPA and NF sit at the same table and hash things out 100% and write n sign and enforce said contracts before their projects even have a single man-minute or Dollar/Yen applied to them? i think that should be APPLAUDED! direct negotiations between the studio AND the 'Big Money Guys' who will be the DISTRIBUTORS too? sounds like a win/win situation to me. |
KiliianSleipnirYesterday, 10:59 PM
just an ol school American otaku enjoyin the life. don't sass me kiddies, i've been otaku probably since before you were born. leave me in peace and i won't bother you either.  |
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perseii said:
EDIT: I remembered: in 2021, there was an animator working on Yasuke for MAPPA that complained on Twitter that the project was paying bottom rate by industry standards, thanks to Netflix: https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/animators-paid-a-mere-34-cut-on-mappa-anime-show-for-netflix-says-animator-206690.html
EDIT: I remembered: in 2021, there was an animator working on Yasuke for MAPPA that complained on Twitter that the project was paying bottom rate by industry standards, thanks to Netflix: https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/animators-paid-a-mere-34-cut-on-mappa-anime-show-for-netflix-says-animator-206690.html
that is mappa as an anime studio being greedy alone though and not netflix since netflix pays double to triple compared to production committee system
Budgets on Netflix anime are roughly 'twice' or 'three times' the amount of a regular anime https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2020-07-21/terumi-nishii-netflix-bigger-budgets-havent-trickled-down-to-actual-animators/.162022
| @deg Interesting article, thanks. But the interviewee says she's not sure where the double/triple-sized budget went, because animators still got paid the same and worked under similar conditions. She speculates that the money must've gone to investments, which sounds bizarre to me - then that amount shouldn't be counted in the "anime budget," surely? The article also brings up a big question mark on what happens to physical media and merch sales, because Netflix doesn't deal with that stuff. We're still left with more questions than answers, and I don't think we can know for sure how this new deal will play out, for both parties. We'll know in about 3 years or so, I'm guessing, after everything has already taken place. |
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@VForValhalla the production committee system also do not pay royalties to anime studios but netflix even with no royalties at least pays 2 to 3 times the budget for an anime project compared to production committees, i will link sources if i find that claim again
found it
Budgets on Netflix anime are roughly 'twice' or 'three times' the amount of a regular anime https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2020-07-21/terumi-nishii-netflix-bigger-budgets-havent-trickled-down-to-actual-animators/.162022
found it
Budgets on Netflix anime are roughly 'twice' or 'three times' the amount of a regular anime https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2020-07-21/terumi-nishii-netflix-bigger-budgets-havent-trickled-down-to-actual-animators/.162022
| @deg LOL Literally in the second paragraph: However, animator wages have not raised accordingly. She remarked that the animation production companies "don't seem to be thrilled," and that the work is as hard as ever. Although she is not in a position to state definitively where the money is being spent, she said that from what she has heard, the money received by the production companies has tended to go to capital investments. Many companies are in the red, and need the money simply to stay afloat. To use an analogy, she said, "It's like if it rains in a desert. It gets swallowed by the sand, and it's not enough to make plants grow." |
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@VForValhalla i say that is obviously money mismanagement of the studio like mappa when they get bigger deals or budget
but a long term solution is for the anime studios as well as the staff like animators is to get royalties too like on the manga and light novel industry
but a long term solution is for the anime studios as well as the staff like animators is to get royalties too like on the manga and light novel industry
| @deg you're asking the impossible. It's like if every person working in a movie or a series got royalties from those on the basis of working in them, it wouldn't make a lick of sense. The books and comics get away with it because, for the nature of the medium, the people working on them are a restricted circle, but when 100 to 200 people work on a single project together it's impossible. |
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@VForValhalla i say that is obviously money mismanagement of the studio like mappa when they get bigger deals or budget
but a long term solution is for the anime studios as well as the staff like animators is to get royalties too like on the manga and light novel industry
but a long term solution is for the anime studios as well as the staff like animators is to get royalties too like on the manga and light novel industry
| @deg Nice hopium. Point remains Western production companies still hasn't done shit to "help" deg said: so ye this means mappa or any other anime studio in the future will have more profit from this direct deal with netflix or any other big companies Also, bigger budget =/= profit. What kind of nonsense statement is that? Do you know anything about business? |
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@VForValhalla language barrier im no english native speaker
but im implying bigger budget can mean better pay for the animators for example
but im implying bigger budget can mean better pay for the animators for example
| @deg No it doesn't. The article YOU provided contradicts that statement LOL |
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@VForValhalla are you sure “Creators naturally want to work where the pay is better, and they have more freedom. That’s true not just for anime, but for dramas and variety shows too.”
or youre nitpicking?
or youre nitpicking?
| @deg You are the one literally nitpicking one sentence LOL Again in the same article: It also gives investors the opportunity to lap up most of the profit. And since there’s no royalty system in place (like in book publishing, for example), the studio’s cut remains the same no matter how big a hit the anime becomes. As a result of this structure (and other related factors like manpower shortage), there has been a rising number of studios going bankrupt, and animators’ wages have barely improved throughout the years. LMAO I can't! 🤣 |
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@VForValhalla that quote is from the production committee system that has no royalties and again sure netflix also do not give royalties but they give more budget
>Shizume believes production budgets will rise considerably. “Creators naturally want to work where the pay is better
i guess im talking to a troll im gonna ignore you
>Shizume believes production budgets will rise considerably. “Creators naturally want to work where the pay is better
i guess im talking to a troll im gonna ignore you
| @deg You are again saying the same thing after being proven wrong by the person/article you are providing LOL Gets contradicted by article he himself provides: You are a troll! 😭 |
| "netflix and mappa deal can kill the exploitative old production committee system" Like Netflix and Mappa aren't exploitative systems themselves. Also nothing is stopping any studio from finding independent financing and buying the rights for the IPs they want to adapt or maybe having IPs of their own...as companies they just don't want to deal with this part of the business and want only focus on the animation side. Also there's the "small" matter of distribution and advertisement. They should change their business model and grow in is size in order to do all those things. The other option is to be owned by a big media group like BNP (which includes Sunrise) is owned by Bandai Namco. Instead of a committee, it's your boss company who is founding your projects, securing the right (or maybe own the rights) and distributing them. Point is, most of the studios are too small to handle all of this on their own. Production committees exist for a reason. |
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@ProudElitist obviously not everyone in the production staff will get royalties but key animators, animation directors as well as the directors can at least get like at least 1% of royalties per project right?
| @deg it's impossible, they're too many to keep track of. In the comics and books at maximum the people taking a cut are two or three, not 20 and not 50. It wouldn't make any sense to begin with. |
| I could be wrong, but I can't see anything good in Netflix deepening its involvement in the anime industry. A bigger budget doesn't mean better-paid employees. Recently, you had Mastercard and Visa threatening Japan due to certain types of content. If Netflix is hiring Mappa for projects, what's to stop them from demanding censorship or certain types of propaganda? And what's to stop Mappa from accepting those conditions for the right price? Mappa is not known for good working practices. I can imagine them being the Trojan horse. Especially since Japan does not give in to multiculturalism and most of the crap that comes from the West. |
| I don't see this changing very much. For as big as Netflix is they can't bankroll the whole of the anime industry. So there may be some singular projects that get made in cooperation with Netflix but the majority of the industry will still have to depend on the existing structures. Furthermore we all know that anime is most of the time used as an ad to boost existing manga and LN titles. If some studios went to cooperate on original titles with Netflix it will just create a hole in the market that needs to be filled because the publishing companies will still seek the popularity of their mangas and LN pushed. And it's not just that. Production comittee projects usually involve all kinds of different media besides the anime - OST, figures, merch, audio dramas, tourism cooperations, etc. I don't really see Netflix having the will to meddle in all this especially since a lot of it is localized to Japan. So as I said there will be some more original titles produced by these cooperations but by and large the old system will likely still remain because the need for it in all its aspects simply doesn't go away. |
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| This is very bad. None of that budget will go back to Japanese workers. The money will go back to American CEOs. This is another Western company forcing Japan to work for the West, instead of for their own people. They will force Western values onto Japan, and demand that they censor content to make it appeal to Americans. Anime should be made by Japanese people, for Japanese people. Not by Americans, or for Americans. |
| Netflix is a good producer, but there should be variety of production, monopolies are bad. |
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plebrepel said: I'd like to point out a couple asides. This is also in reply to everyone else who's thinking along the lines of "omg western SJWs are gonna ruin anime by censorship and stuff because they don't share the same values".When you don't hire on merit your employees become a bit useless. What is the anime equivalent of being unable to write your own game engine? To every game environment being scans of real life? What will the ratio of creative integrity:political propaganda be? Why is there no living person that fits the description of the global audience? 1. Creativity is a very hard thing to judge the merit of. Meanwhile, a lot of production work is various specialized skills; things like being able to write a game engine are "you know it or you don't" things (let's put aside for now the fact that writing game engines from scratch isn't necessarily the best idea in the first place) and as long as people have the basics it's pretty much just vibes. Experience in project management can be useful, too, but this isn't a guarantee of success, and besides, this and other things can be made up for with a willingness to learn and adapt (which even experts need to do anyway). OTOH, just because some creators have made super neat stuff before doesn't mean they can or will again; time and time again this has proven true. Also, funny you mention scans of real life, because I was just chatting with some friends about Yuru Camp season 2, and the "use photos of real life things but just apply some filters" technique was so hilariously relevant that I learned that there's one shot that literally still has a Google watermark on it. And this is Yuru Camp, not some forgettable trash, for goodness's sakes. 2. "Creative integrity" is never devoid of opinions, and thus never truly separate from political ideas. Many works of art throughout history have political dimensions to them. Even works seen as propaganda can be evaluated on their artistic basis, and they are not all duds. Artists themselves likewise have ideas they want to present, and it'd be horrifyingly censorial to say that they should only make the most milquetoast and inoffensive art. Creativity is very much not the inverse of political content. Don't attribute to malice (e.g. meddlesome political agenda-pushing) that which can be attributed to incompetence (e.g. poor project management, bad budgeting, failed attempts to appeal to certain audience segments, etc.). Zarutaku said: I've definitely noticed how big Netflix has gotten and it's concerned me the same way any too-big-to-fail company concerns me.Netflix is a good producer, but there should be variety of production, monopolies are bad. |
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