| So I recently began to read Hi no Tori (1967) and noticed certain parts in it that seemed like clear inspiration for Vinland Saga and Kusuriya no Hitorigoto (Also a scene that reminded me of a similar scene in Gunnm: Kasei Senki). So I began searching on his website for more information, and the more I looked, the more I thought "Wait, didn't something similar also happen in X work?". Akebono-san doesn't even have a MAL page, but it seems like a clear inspiration to Princess Tutu. Have I been sleeping on Tezuka all this time? What other anime/manga were also clearly inspired by what he's done? |
| "Have I been sleeping on Tezuka all this time?" I mean, he is called "the father of modern manga and anime". His influence can't be measured, but many of his works aren't that interesting as stand alone titles. As with any creator he has highs and lows. I get him more as an "idea guy" than an "execution guy". Totally worth checking, but don't expect every of his entries to be a masterpiece. |
| I doubt yukimura and mao author ever read tezuka works, they know of him, they saw documentaries on nhk about him, they prob saw snippets of astro boy and saw hi no tori at the local librairies. These two are shallow uncultured people who can't write. |
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| Princess Tutu was taken from an episode of Mahou Tsukai Sally where Sally and her two friends learn how to dance ballet. Osamu Tezuka had nothing to do with Princess Tutu in the slightest. Junichi Sato already remade stuff he had seen in that series in Sailor Moon like he remade scenes from that series in Ojamajo Doremi, nothing out of the ordinary. |
thewiru said: So I recently began to read Hi no Tori (1967) and noticed certain parts in it that seemed like clear inspiration for Vinland Saga and Kusuriya no Hitorigoto (Also a scene that reminded me of a similar scene in Gunnm: Kasei Senki). So I began searching on his website for more information, and the more I looked, the more I thought "Wait, didn't something similar also happen in X work?". Akebono-san doesn't even have a MAL page, but it seems like a clear inspiration to Princess Tutu. Have I been sleeping on Tezuka all this time? What other anime/manga were also clearly inspired by what he's done? Let me get this straight... You read "Hi no Tori" for, what, 20 fucking minutes, and then come sprinting in here, faster than someone who badly needs to take a dump after sitting on a bus for 48 hours straight, like you just uncovered "the Lost City of Gold" of anime? You’re treating Tezuka references like you've been out in the fucking woods hunting Bigfoot with night-vision goggles and your dick swinging like a divining rod for "literary depth". You didn’t just decode ancient scripture... you skimmed some niche shit and suddenly think you’re like an Indiana Jones of anime fandom. lol Every time you see something older than a router with 2008 firmware, you suddenly have an “epiphany” about this medium that is so mundane a historian wouldn’t even get out of bed for the shit. You’re not excavating the ruins of civilization... you’re reading a manga published when refrigerators were beige steel coffins that weighed more than 400 pounds. lol You found “similarities” between "Hi no Tori" and "Vinland Saga", "Kusuriya no Hitorigoto", and even fucking "Gunnm: Kasei Senki", and came to the conclusion that you’ve discovered… storytelling. It’s like looking at a dog and a wolf and going, “Ah yes… the ancient forbidden connection… only I, chosen one, can perceive this shit…” lol Then you dig up "Akebono-san", a manga so obscure it’s basically cryptid, and immediately decide it’s the direct inspiration for "Princess Tutu". That connection is so thin I could floss my fucking teeth with that shit. lol You’re treating coincidences like cosmic revelations. Connecting dots that don't actually fucking exist... like someone filling in a crossword puzzle with made-up words because thinking for five more seconds is too much effort. It’s the same energy as a conspiracy theorist seeing a UFO in every porch light, or some hippy on LSD staring at a crack in the wall, for 24 hours straight, and declaring they just decoded the nature of reality. lol Yes, Tezuka influenced the medium. I am sure a lot of people already know this. But you’re acting like Tezuka personally descended from the heavens in 1967, slapped every modern mangaka across the cheeks with a Phoenix volume, and declared, “MY CHILD, YOUR STORY SHALL RESEMBLE MINE IN VAGUE THEMATIC SPIRIT”. lol This is you confusing the foundational influence of an entire industry with a personal cameo in every panel drawn since. That’s like reading "Beowulf" and claiming every Marvel movie is directly derived from it because “there’s a guy with muscles who fights shit”. This is basically connecting shit like someone assembling IKEA furniture without the manual, half the screws missing, and then announcing themselves a master carpenter. This is getting static shock from touching a doorknob and trying to reinvent a national power grid with a sock and a balloon. lol You didn’t uncover the secrets of anime. You skimmed a manga, got excited, and now think you’ve unlocked some grand revelation. Just take a breath, finish a volume, and just enjoy the shit. lol |
ColourWheelDec 11, 3:07 AM
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| Tezuka was the first ever to make a true bikini armor anime and manga. |
thewiru said: So I recently began to read Hi no Tori (1967) An unfinished prototype story from the 50s has been recently scanlated, if you're interested. It doesn't have a MAL entry. https://tezukaosamu.net/en/manga/402.html thewiru said: Akebono-san doesn't even have a MAL page, but it seems like a clear inspiration to Princess Tutu. That is likely a coincidence, given the obscurity of the story. I don't know if Akebono-san is supposed to have a MAL page, but the tankoubon bundles it with Soyokaze-san. https://myanimelist.net/manga/22295/Soyokaze-san thewiru said: Have I been sleeping on Tezuka all this time? Everyone sleeps on Tezuka. thewiru said: What other anime/manga were also clearly inspired by what he's done? A lot. You'll have to be more specific in your questioning. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| Nice pero~, also Dolund have become US president, which analysts confirm is natural outcome of election victory |
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Always has been. Except for the stuff Urusei Yatsura invented. |
| yeah a lot is just Tezuka in one way or another. he was prolific af and influential at a time when teh industries were still developing. read more Tezuka, JUST DO IT! |
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| Tezuka is goated for sure, I'm just surprised not everyone knows that at this point. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
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Tezuka is goated for sure, I'm just surprised not everyone knows that at this point.
| @Alcoholicide You've said you only read physical, but none of his best manga get physical English printings. It is to be expected that people don't read them. |
LucifrostDec 11, 11:17 AM
| その目だれの目？ |
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thewiru said:
So I recently began to read Hi no Tori (1967)
So I recently began to read Hi no Tori (1967)
An unfinished prototype story from the 50s has been recently scanlated, if you're interested. It doesn't have a MAL entry.
https://tezukaosamu.net/en/manga/402.html
thewiru said:
Akebono-san doesn't even have a MAL page, but it seems like a clear inspiration to Princess Tutu.
Akebono-san doesn't even have a MAL page, but it seems like a clear inspiration to Princess Tutu.
That is likely a coincidence, given the obscurity of the story. I don't know if Akebono-san is supposed to have a MAL page, but the tankoubon bundles it with Soyokaze-san.
https://myanimelist.net/manga/22295/Soyokaze-san
thewiru said:
Have I been sleeping on Tezuka all this time?
Have I been sleeping on Tezuka all this time?
Everyone sleeps on Tezuka.
thewiru said:
What other anime/manga were also clearly inspired by what he's done?
What other anime/manga were also clearly inspired by what he's done?
A lot. You'll have to be more specific in your questioning.
Lucifrost said: An unfinished prototype story from the 50s has been recently scanlated, if you're interested. It doesn't have a MAL entry. https://tezukaosamu.net/en/manga/402.html That one was the reason I checked the website. I saw the year "1954" being thrown around, as well as Hi no Tori being told as the "second iteration" and was curious as to which was the first. And apparently it was that one, with no MAL page. |
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