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| I wonder if some people here really are watching the show or are just skimming through it because some guy said this don't makes sense when it does. Ryuji is human. It is the same way Ai was turned into a beast and that the one who raised her fused with losts preciouses, Ryuji is indeed human but a part of him is a lost precious because of a reason we do not know (When he was posseded? When he met Rose? A yet to be shown accident?) As for Ryuuji handing Rose to Onyx then this was completely believeable. Ever since the ritual of age was done Ryuji felt responsable for what happened to Rose and though that he shouldn't had done it. Even he know that he is responsable for what is happening, he may not trust all of Onyx's word but he know that she is in this state because of the ritual of age. There is no way to contact Maurga, Society cannot heal Rose and worst: there is no time. When one of the person you consider the most important in your life is dying in front of you then you are not thinking straight to begin with. Add to that that what Onyx said about him really saving Rose was believeable in about every way you think about it. If he wanted revenge he would have come himself and wouldn't have spared Ryuuji. The worst case that could happen would be Onyx forcing Rose to marry him afterward and I think he deem her life more important than that About that I think it's pretty much what will happen. Onyx will put all his attention on Rose and Sapphie will feel lonely, she will escape and lead the , now convinced by Maruga, Ryuuji to save Rose so that she can get her Onyx while he get his Rose. For further explication just ask here, I'm not saying that everything do make sense, some thing may be made through deus ex machina but it still do make sense. |
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Ginga-Bishoujo said: Ryuji is human. It is the same way Ai was turned into a beast and that the one who raised her fused with losts preciouses, Ryuji is indeed human but a part of him is a lost precious because of a reason we do not know (When he was posseded? When he met Rose? A yet to be shown accident?). That cursed loss precious may be to blame. The accident was shown earlier in the anime. |
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| Well that was a little off, by that i mean he sure knows how to follow orders, that Ryuji really is getting on my nerves now. I wonder if Rose is really reacting from fear or is something greater than that?... |
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Scul said: cleo said: So Ryuji gets told he's a Lost Precious, yet he doesn't feel the need to call his parents about it, or ask his 'sister'? facepalm.jpg Scul said: That same week, nearly 7000 copies of Index vol.3 DVD's were sold, while Dragon crisis isn't even in the DVD top 100 (-> selling less than 617 copies).cleo said: It bombed. 2011 03/07~3/13 Oricon BD Top 50 16 -- *,562 ***,562 *1 Dragon Crisis! v1 562 copies sold in the release week, that's dramatic. Not even Rie Kugumiya has been able to safe sales. Well would be expected since that was also the week of the earthquake. Idk how the Japanese think but i think getting food and stuff is more important but that is life So not the earthquake is to blame, but the very mediocre story development. |
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| Shit gets real in the second to last episode... way to go. I'd like a second season, but I don't see that happening. |
| finally .....after 9 eps >.> and now its going to end ..... |
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akantor786 said: yeah, i also agree that it was rushed, i mean, how big was the time skip? they changed uniforms so maybe a few weeks or months? It never ceases to amaze me how questions like this get asked when there are multiple references within the one episode itself. Eriko mentions the society holding her for <b>two weeks</b> as her reason for drinking. Can't get much more blatant than that. Of course there are other subtle season changing references within the episode, but there is a definitive two weeks that they mark from the time of the incident at the society lab to current. Of course the anger toward him giving up Rose is ridiculous as well. While Onyx is decidedly the antagonist of the series, if Ryuuji were to keep rose simply because he didn't want to give her over to Onyx it would be seen as much more selfish and childish. The decision was logical. If someone you love is dying in front of you and you are given two options to save them, give them to someone you hate, however, you are basically assured of their ability to heal them, or keep them to yourself where all you and those around you can do is observe as the condition gets worse (As said so in the episode itself), a logical person, and one who cares about said person, would most likely choose the former rather than the latter. Sigh, some form of aneurism is surely forming in my brain after reading most of the posts here, so it's probably best to stop. |
Precipitation said: Of course the anger toward him giving up Rose is ridiculous as well. While Onyx is decidedly the antagonist of the series, if Ryuuji were to keep rose simply because he didn't want to give her over to Onyx it would be seen as much more selfish and childish. The decision was logical. If someone you love is dying in front of you and you are given two options to save them, give them to someone you hate, however, you are basically assured of their ability to heal them, or keep them to yourself where all you and those around you can do is observe as the condition gets worse (As said so in the episode itself), a logical person, and one who cares about said person, would most likely choose the former rather than the latter. Sigh, some form of aneurism is surely forming in my brain after reading most of the posts here, so it's probably best to stop. I dunno. First Ryuuji was really stupid to participate in the dragon 'coming of age' ritual, without knowing anything about it. Especially since the idea came from Sapphi (I love Rose's justification -- 'All the dragons our age are doing it'). And especially since given his knowledge and experience, he should really know better. And especially, especially since he has access to people who know better -- Bianca and the Society. This was really dumb and he deserves abuse for that. Eriko too. She even suggested speaking to Maruga and they let Rose talk them out of it. And her blaming Sapphi was standard responsibility avoidance procedure. And remember, Ryuuji tried to attack Onyx during their conversation. If he believed that Onyx was the last hope for Rose, then what would killing him accomplish? That was emotional and childish but you don't seem critical of that. Finally, you can only call the decision 'logical' within Onyx's frame of reference. As you said yourself, Onyx has defined two options. Surrender Rose or watch her die. This is the lesser of two evils. But why would you just accept that those are the only two options. Do you really think that he's told Ryuuji the entire truth? This is classic manipulation. We don't know that Rose is dying before him. Something is happening but we don't know what. Ryuuji doesn't know what. Onyx presumably does and he's using that to make up a weak-willed Ryuuji's mind for him. This is both false logic and a false choice. And in case you didn't notice, Onyx manipulated Sapphi into her actions too and bugged her during the process. So he knows everything that's going on in Ryuuji's head and the Society's lab, including that the Society can't figure out what to do and that Ryuuji is overwhelmed with despair. And of course, he has a plan and he's presenting it just when Ryuuji is most vulnerable. It looks like he's been very successful in manipulating everybody in the show and apparently, some of the viewers as well. Kudos to the black dragon. |
Mockman said: I dunno. First Ryuuji was really stupid to participate in the dragon 'coming of age' ritual, without knowing anything about it. Especially since the idea came from Sapphi (I love Rose's justification -- 'All the dragons our age are doing it'). And especially since given his knowledge and experience, he should really know better. And especially, especially since he has access to people who know better -- Bianca and the Society. This was really dumb and he deserves abuse for that. Eriko too. She even suggested speaking to Maruga and they let Rose talk them out of it. And her blaming Sapphi was standard responsibility avoidance procedure. The two has been living together for a while now a nothing happened and they also beleived it to be nothing more than a formality. Eriko basically tough she knew everything Society knew about dragon since she has acces to their top secret archives about lost precious and dragons but Bianca showed us that there was nothing about this ritual of age in the archives. Rose is always hugging Ryuuji, who would seriously expected such a reaction from only a kiss on her hand if not a watcher that expect the plot to moves, you can't blame the character for this. Mockman said: And remember, Ryuuji tried to attack Onyx during their conversation. If he believed that Onyx was the last hope for Rose, then what would killing him accomplish? That was emotional and childish but you don't seem critical of that. Yes that was emotional and childish, Ryuuji is a child about 12 year old afterall. He was angered at the truth that Onyx will be able to save her while he can't. Mockman said: Finally, you can only call the decision 'logical' within Onyx's frame of reference. As you said yourself, Onyx has defined two options. Surrender Rose or watch her die. This is the lesser of two evils. But why would you just accept that those are the only two options. Do you really think that he's told Ryuuji the entire truth? This is classic manipulation. We don't know that Rose is dying before him. Something is happening but we don't know what. Ryuuji doesn't know what. Onyx presumably does and he's using that to make up a weak-willed Ryuuji's mind for him. This is both false logic and a false choice. True but there is no other way and time at their disposition. As I said when a person you love is dying, you aren't thinking straight to begin with. They can't contact Maruga easely (Afterall it took 2 week for her to comes to Ryuuji after she found out that Onyx stole something from her), Society cannot help her and the condition she is in could worsen, and even worst, kill her any minute from now. I don't think Ryuuji faithfully beleive what Onyx said but there was no other choice than the one Onyx had set. Mockman said: And in case you didn't notice, Onyx manipulated Sapphi into her actions too and bugged her during the process. So he knows everything that's going on in Ryuuji's head and the Society's lab, including that the Society can't figure out what to do and that Ryuuji is overwhelmed with despair. And of course, he has a plan and he's presenting it just when Ryuuji is most vulnerable. It looks like he's been very successful in manipulating everybody in the show and apparently, some of the viewers as well. I don't think so. Sapphi told Rose about the ritual of age on a whim, not because Onyx planned it. Onyx went to Maruga's place to steal information about the dragon crisis because he wondered why Ryuuji could harm him and engage with a dragon. Luck is on Onyx's side. |
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| Oh hell no... this episode was just.... Actually I guess it was all right. But really... couldn't they have done this plot advancement earlier in the series? Seriously... And yeah, the Ryuji x Rose moments were ridiculously exhausting... I felt like Eriko. Rose and Ryuji got on my fucking nerves since this uh... "coming-of-age" ritual bullshit. And then there's Kisaragi's stupid decision on giving Rose to Onyx =_=' And why they didn't kill the Blue Dragon yet is beyond me. But it was definitely nice seeing Eriko and what's-that-red-head capture her to get info from her. Misaki still didn't confess =_= what a muppet... not that it would change anything. Because I think (I hope actually) Ryuji would turn her down. And how the fuck can an awkwardness grow like that so suddenly? I mean Ryuji would've stayed the same right? The changes only took place in Rose... not him! Jeez! And we don't know if his parents really planted this "Dragon Crisis" Lost Precious into him. But I'd like to know more about this... I guess next episode Maruga will tell. Also... where the hell did that red-head scientist come out from when Ai was visiting Kisaragi? I mean she's like always there! WTF!? Also... just like what I think for Ichika from IS... How good looking is this Kisaragi bastard for girls to be falling for him like this? And how gullible is this id to believe whatever Onyx (his previous enemy in fact =_=') told him... Kisaragi needs to get a little smarter.Eriko so far is the best character in the show... personality wise... although my favourite girl from Dragon Crisis would probably be Ai. This can't be blamed on Onyx, or that Blue dragon... because Rose was such a child that she would believe anything thrown at her... because well... she's just TOOOOO immature. And being immature in this world is a crime. I think I'll stop here... I could go on forever like I did with Wolverine... Kinda glad these animes are soon about to end :S |
Hoppy said: ---------------------------------------- Poor Rose Oynx is responsible for all of this, well with Maruga's appearance it's winding down to the final episode. The episode was rushed beyond belief in the plot development category. I want a second season and Misaki needs to go die somewhere, seriously I had it with her freaking out at every little thing Rose does to Ryuuji and vice versa. Sadly these last two episode marked the begining of the seventh Volume from the Light Novels where the story gets really interesting and the novels for the Dragon Crisis is still ongoin work as Volume 13 was released yesterday in Japan so you can guess, how long Dragon Crisis story is, they haven't even covered half of it yet and we're already at the LAST EPISODE!!!!!!! This work can not be summed up with just 12 episode, they are more characters are gonna show up in the next volume, Vol 8 where the struggle and conflicts get escalated :cool: :cool:. |
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| Wtf, Ryuuji is a lost precious that kills dragons? |
Aurao said: Wtf, Ryuuji is a lost precious that kills dragons? Nah... He is a Dragon Slayer (ドラゴンスレイヤー), Oynx was just giving a an example in speech, comparing Ryuuji's rareness to the Lost Precious case. Ryuuji got the ability to control the dragons and submit them into his own thus he can steal away their freedom as well as their lives.. Hence his ancestor called the Dragon Destroyer or the Dragon Crisis!. |
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| Yeah, things rushed a bit and final in the next episode. Let`s see if it ends or if there is a second season hehe |
DenjaX said: I can already see the ending... XDD Maruga might talk about a way that Ryuji and Rose can be together despite of being a "dragon crisis" or changing his mind to take Rose back then save the princess part II from Onyx and then happy end shalalalalala XDD ..still, I might be wrong xDD yea that will probably happen. |
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| Oh lord, it actually managed to get worse yet again. |
| Ryuuji couldn't hide his lolicon feelings anymore. When I heard Sapphi I found that she sounded like Kyubey (from Madoka), and I was right. It also feels like as if this is just an introduction to the story and the main part is beginning now. Off-topic: I want Madoka to continue!! |
| I want a second season and I want it by this fall!! |
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Setsuna200 said: I want a second season and I want it by this fall!! I second that. |
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ThorAxe911 said: Setsuna200 said: I want a second season and I want it by this fall!! I second that. I'll third that. I thought that Eriko's talk about puberty with Rose in the last episode, and Misaki's talk with Ryuji in this episode were some of the best dialogue I've seen in this anime and actually made me like E & M much more as characters. Although I originally thought the horror movie episode was more filler than anything else, the tone of this anime seemed to change dramatically with that episode, and I've actually started getting more interested in the individual girls' personalities. Now if only something would do the same to the protagonist...... |
Please don't feed the trolls! In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac |
rodac said: ThorAxe911 said: Setsuna200 said: I want a second season and I want it by this fall!! I second that. I'll third that. I thought that Eriko's talk about puberty with Rose in the last episode, and Misaki's talk with Ryuji in this episode were some of the best dialogue I've seen in this anime and actually made me like E & M much more as characters. Although I originally thought the horror movie episode was more filler than anything else, the tone of this anime seemed to change dramatically with that episode, and I've actually started getting more interested in the individual girls' personalities. Now if only something would do the same to the protagonist...... I'll fourth that and beside I consider myself a hardcore fan of Dragon Crisis that I ordered the first two BD volumes yesterday, but with the things that's happening in Japan, So I know it will take a while for me to get them and I'm looking forward to see the novels bookmark and its booklet that comes as bonus items with it's BD. |
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| I really don't like Ryuji, he is just like the male protagonist in a harem, has no backbone for the most part. He is better than some, but I don't really like him either way. As for a second season, I'm not too picky about anime, but I probably wouldn't watch it. A catchy OP / ED though, it's probably what I enjoyed most about the series. |
| Maruga can you save us? |
| Real Hell is inside a person-Ai Enma (Jigoku Shoujo Mitsuganae) Do you know where hell is? Inside your head-Chrona (Soul Eater)  |
| So Ryuuji actually is a lost precious called Dragon Crisis huh. Can't say I didn't see it coming but finally there's some real story going on once more. Of course he's going to go back and save her in the last episode. Maruga will come up with a way they can be together and there will be a happy end. |
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| It felt like a good ending to me untill marga came into the picture... |
| Anyone know what song they used at episode 11? You can hear it at 16:15-17:35. |
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| I'd have thought it was just score music made for the show! Interesting developments, well, quite a lot actually, I can barely remember what happened at the beginning of the episode! Well, It's been fun, last one should be pretty good! |
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Mockman said: I dunno. First Ryuuji was really stupid to participate in the dragon 'coming of age' ritual, without knowing anything about it. Especially since the idea came from Sapphi (I love Rose's justification -- 'All the dragons our age are doing it'). And especially since given his knowledge and experience, he really should know better. And especially, especially since he has access to people who know better -- Bianca and the Society. This was really dumb and he deserves abuse for that. Eriko too. She even suggested speaking to Maruga and they let Rose talk them out of it. And her blaming Sapphi was standard responsibility avoidance procedure. Hypno-girl said: The two has been living together for a while now a nothing happened and they also believed it to be nothing more than a formality. Eriko basically thought she knew everything the Society knew about dragons since she has access to their top secret archives about lost precious and dragons but Bianca showed us that there was nothing about this ritual of age in the archives. Rose is always hugging Ryuuji, who would seriously expected such a reaction from only a kiss on her hand if not a watcher that expect the plot to moves, you can't blame the character for this. I'll have to watch the episode again, but... I think I can. A formality for what? And Rose didn't think it was a formality. She thought it was the most important thing in the world. My point isn't that they would have gotten the answers to all their questions. If things were that easy, there wouldn't be a show. My point is that they went ahead and did something with disastrous consequences without a second thought, and without availing themselves of any of the resources that were uniquely available to him. And they let Rose talk them out of speaking with Maruga. As I mentioned, making mistakes is a normal human activity (and non-human too). But this was a stupid, disastrous mistake. Regarding her hand -- it's magical. When she fell out of the suitcase in ep.01, who would have thought that she'd use it as a flamethrower, or that the combination of her hand and Ryuuji could defeat as imposing a monster as Onyx. It's not a normal, human hand. Nor is it a toy. Mockman said: And remember, Ryuuji tried to attack Onyx during their conversation. If he believed that Onyx was the last hope for Rose, then what would killing him accomplish? That was emotional and childish but you don't seem critical of that. Hypno-girl said: Yes that was emotional and childish, Ryuuji is a child about 12 year old afterall. He was angered at the truth that Onyx will be able to save her while he can't. Fifteen, FWIW. But I don't understand how his actions are defensible. If you're angry then everything is reasonable? Not even when you're three. Mockman said: Finally, you can only call the decision 'logical' within Onyx's frame of reference. As you said yourself, Onyx has defined two options. Surrender Rose or watch her die. This is the lesser of two evils. But why would you just accept that those are the only two options. Do you really think that he's told Ryuuji the entire truth? This is classic manipulation. We don't know that Rose is dying before him. Something is happening but we don't know what. Ryuuji doesn't know what. Onyx presumably does and he's using that to make up a weak-willed Ryuuji's mind for him. This is both false logic and a false choice. Hypno-girl said: True but there is no other way and time at their disposition. As I said when a person you love is dying, you aren't thinking straight to begin with. They can't contact Maruga easely (Afterall it took 2 week for her to comes to Ryuuji after she found out that Onyx stole something from her), Society cannot help her and the condition she is in could worsen, and even worst, kill her any minute from now. I don't think Ryuuji faithfully beleive what Onyx said but there was no other choice than the one Onyx had set. Let me see if I understand this correctly. I take my hypothetical daughter to a strange restaurant to eat. The strange, foreign chef cooks up a special dish, just for her. She gets a stomach ache. The proprietor tells me that she's going to die but he can save her -- but I have to give her to him. And I'll never see her again. What should I do? Hmmm... If you let yourself get manipulated into a corner where your two choices are horrible and worse -- you failed. Everything else is an excuse. You're not supposed to wait until you have zero options before you get out of bed. This reinforces my point that Onyx is a skillful manipulator. And I agree with you about Ryuuji not thinking straight. That's a huge problem. And Onyx compounded it by isolating him. Which only makes his inability to think straight even more dangerous. Mockman said: And in case you didn't notice, Onyx manipulated Sapphi into her actions too and bugged her during the process. So he knows everything that's going on in Ryuuji's head and the Society's lab, including that the Society can't figure out what to do and that Ryuuji is overwhelmed with despair. And of course, he has a plan and he's presenting it just when Ryuuji is most vulnerable. It looks like he's been very successful in manipulating everybody in the show and apparently, some of the viewers as well. Hypno-girl said: I don't think so. Sapphi told Rose about the ritual of age on a whim, not because Onyx planned it. Onyx went to Maruga's place to steal information about the dragon crisis because he wondered why Ryuuji could harm him and engage with a dragon. Luck is on Onyx's side. Onyx makes his own luck. Sapphi told Rose because she's jealous. She has maturity issues. Kai even told her to her face that she did -- which just made her actions more likely. And before Kai left her alone, what did she tell her? "Onyx is leaving for two days. Stay out of trouble." Never in history have words such as those ever kept anyone out of trouble. Onyx had legitimate reasons to leave Sapphi alone. But he needed an opportunity to use the information he ostensibly got from Maruga's place. Sapphi created that opportunity. Onyx doesn't do things because he's curious. He doesn't wonder for the sake of wondering. He's a smart, manipulative megalomaniac with a mission that's more important to him than anything else. They need to start taking him seriously. He takes them seriously, even as he pulls their strings. And for what it's worth, there are few things more important to adolescents than the appearance of maturity. As Sapphi was prompted to act in order to deny her immaturity, so was Rose. And Sapphi said the same stuff, "That's why you're still a kid." and "I had Onyx do it." and "It means he chose me. That's why I'm Onyx's lover." And when Rose attempted to defend her relationship with Ryuuji, she replied, "That's proof he just thinks of you as a kid." Them's fightin' words. And what did she finish with? "If you don't grow up, someone else will take him from you." Without adult supervision around, it was obvious what was gonna happen next. What happened when Kai entered the lab. She walked up to Sapphi and plucked an electronic device from her collar. Perhaps someone can enlighten me otherwise but I think it was a bug or tracking device. Onyx did his homework. And he struck while the iron was hot. And he helped his odds by separating Ryuuji from his friends. And everything he said was chosen to increase Ryuuji's instability. Bits of truth mixed with lies. And he appealed to Ryuuji's nature. Everyone is dancing to his tune. Well, at least Sapphi, Rose and Ryuuji. Perhaps that's enough for him to achieve his ends. And after all these words, making life-changing decisions while in the pit of despair and depression is unwise. Lacking character and painting yourself into a corner are not excuses for failure. Epic fail or abject failure, Ryuuji deserves to lose Rose. She doesn't deserve the unhappiness she'll feel but that's a different problem. I look forward to more involvement from Maruga. And I suspect that Sapphi will end up helping them get back together. |
MockmanSep 19, 2011 10:16 PM
| So this episode was OK. The ending is really feeling rushed and I feel like it's either going to turn out rushed with Ryuuji busting in Onyx's hideout and rescuing Rose, or with a second season. It was starting out really good, it's just too rushed now. Anyway, I'll see how the last episode turns out. |
| Poor Rose :/ I do hope she'll be okey, and what the next final episode has to offer! Lets hope it will all be alright and a happy ending! |
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| And the Imbecile of the year goes to... |
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| Lord only knows why they started finding Onyx trustworthy. I wish MC would get together with Misaki. And finally you just know Margu has shown up to make everything right. |
| So... Ryuuji is really a lost precious?! damn they really need to take back Rose from Onyx for the final :( |
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