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Jan 7, 10:58 AM
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Many of my favourite fights have very basic fight choreography mainly due to the emotional weight behind the fight, maybe im just getting older, but a flashy fight just dosent do it for me that much anymore. I tend to zone out, regardless of how flashy the fight is, if the emotional weight isn't there.



Jan 7, 11:18 AM
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It's by far the most important aspect to me.
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Jan 7, 11:25 AM
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A lot.Composition,choreography and overall style>flashy ADHD 360°.And as you said,the emotional weight
gives it a much higher impact than any amount of frames ever could.
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Jan 7, 11:33 AM
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"flashy" and "choreography" it's not the same things, there is many examples where all moving quickly, but choreography is terrible.

Like for example, fights in Noein: to your other self has great choreography, but definitely not flashy (at least for modern audience), meanwhile fights in Solo Leveling are definitely flashy, but (mostly) have terrible or just boring choreography.

And answering your question - for me, fights without emotional impact is super boring regardless how good it made from technical point of view.
Stanis150Jan 7, 11:40 AM
Jan 7, 11:44 AM
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Not much. I care way more about strategic battles, but I admit that the particularly well animated action sequence in the penultimate episode of World Trigger s3 made me think "wow, this is the actual good animation people have in mind when they say that Demon Slayer is only flashy effects".
Jan 7, 11:46 AM
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50% how relevant the fight is to the story and characters and 50% choreography (animation, tactics, actual movements, directing, etc.)
Jan 7, 12:08 PM
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"flashy" and "choreography" it's not the same things, there is many examples where all moving quickly, but choreography is terrible.

Like for example, fights in Noein: to your other self has great choreography, but definitely not flashy (at least for modern audience), meanwhile fights in Solo Leveling are definitely flashy, but (mostly) have terrible or just boring choreography.

And answering your question - for me, fights without emotional impact is super boring regardless how good it made from technical point of view.
@Stanis150 When I say flashy, i dont mean it in the way you think i mean it, i use it interchangeably, i dont see why it matters anyway since the heart of my message was very clear
Jan 7, 12:11 PM
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Not much. I care way more about strategic battles, but I admit that the particularly well animated action sequence in the penultimate episode of World Trigger s3 made me think "wow, this is the actual good animation people have in mind when they say that Demon Slayer is only flashy effects".
@Nirinbo Hot take: Demon Slayer's fights arent even that well choreographed, nor is the animation something to lose your mind over, its just decent, for as much as it gets hyped up, i found it pretty underwhelming. Demon Slayer looks just like any other high quality anime, i dont think it should be used as the standard to measure against. Modern One Piece animation choreography, animation and art far surpasses demon slayer.
Jan 7, 4:56 PM
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I find myself being most interested in the tactics of the fight. For armies and squadrons, it's about who's where and doing what. For individual combatants, it's...also about who's where and doing what, just on a smaller scale.

Fight choreography isn't always about this so whether or not I enjoy it isn't well-correlated to fancy-looking fights.
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Jan 7, 5:03 PM

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I learned that it's the animation direction and not so much the choreography itself that makes the difference.


And yeah... that is pretty much everything. Without that being excellent it's like listening to good music on terrible speakers. A very shitty experience if you know what good speakers sound like.
Jan 7, 5:22 PM

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Well, it isn't hard to create good fighting choreography in anime television shows tbh.....
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Jan 7, 7:02 PM

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I don't care about it at all, considering that I tend to zone out during fights and action scenes. I think it's much more important for me that the stakes are high and there is narrative progression throughout the fight, otherwise I start to lose interest.
Jan 7, 7:13 PM

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it matters to me more as i get older, though most anime just don't have interesting fight choreography. sakamoto days is the closest i've seen to jackie chan levels, especially since it doesn't waste time explaining powers and doesn't spam ''sad'' flashbacks, ruining the flow of the fight.
Jan 7, 8:36 PM

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it's gotta be GOOD or i'm gonna write about it. Old Guy from the Boonies Becomes a Sword Master? i know i'm getting the title wrong, but i'm not going to dig it up right now... was AWESOME and also SUCKFEST often in the SAME EPISODE. swordfighting is ALL about how the peoples' bodies and weapons etc. move and look and if it is REALISTIC or entirely FANTASTICAL. with MOCAP you can frankly use REAL PEOPLE as your stunt-doubles today and then map them into the character designs. so sh!tty fights are ALL the studios' fault today. or if they don't have the cash/ability/knowledge to MOCAP.

'shonen fight anime blur' is a cost/time saving device anime studios have been using for multiple decades now. if the backgrounds are blank black, or blurred terribly, or just 'meh' during a fight... i do NOT like it.

anybody that thinks the Demon Slayer fight scenes are 'meh'... is a noob-normie who has never held a NERF/foam sword or a random stick or a 'toy weapon' in their hands and had play fights etc. themselves.

in animation you can do stuff that is frankly physically impossible with a real-life actor... even stunt doubles won't do "some crazy a$$ sh!t" i've seen in anime fights. wirework and CGA and green-screens and real-life effects like flashpots and fire and explosions and car wrecks etc. can only do so much 'cool stuff'. but in animation? it is ALL drawings!
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Jan 7, 10:09 PM

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Having more realistic and grounded choreography during a fight scene is always nice to see but what matters is that it isn't boring. Emotional weight can and will improve ones enjoyment of certain fight scenes but it doesn't really matter overall. Someone can watch a clip of an anime fight scene, or of any scene really, of a show they've never seen and still think it's really cool and entertaining without having any connection or attachment to the characters or show. In fact, it's something that does happen where a show starts off with some really eye catching fight scenes. At at the end of the day, the rule of cool reigns supreme and that's more associated with how well animated it is and the techniques that go into said animation which can include how flashy it is.
Jan 7, 10:33 PM
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@Nirinbo Hot take: Demon Slayer's fights arent even that well choreographed, nor is the animation something to lose your mind over, its just decent, for as much as it gets hyped up, i found it pretty underwhelming. Demon Slayer looks just like any other high quality anime, i dont think it should be used as the standard to measure against. Modern One Piece animation choreography, animation and art far surpasses demon slayer.
@_ohara Interesting. Then can you recommend me another show where the many vs many fight is actually many vs many and not many 1v1s? As far as I know Demon Slayer was one of the first anime that was able to choreograph a fight like that in Yuukaku-hen.
Like One Piece is a great example where the general concept is always the same. We have many 1v1s.
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First, lets define it. ""Fight choreography is the art of designing and staging simulated combat for performances, creating the illusion of real fighting safely and effectively for stage, film, or TV, focusing on realistic or stylized movements, character emotion, and storytelling rather than actual violence, much like a dance but with conflict".

As for ur question, it is very important when it comes to the quality of a fight. Being able to understand the movements of characters as they fight and making sure that it's fluid can tell me that a fight is good.

A great example is Kakashi vs Obito. Choreography is fluid and has alot of emotional weight. It has the perfect combination of the two.



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Jan 7, 11:02 PM

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I think it's probably the 2nd most important factor behind the emotional weight, some people would argue it's the most. Most of your average fight scenes blend in, but when the choreography is very good, it sticks out, even among other fights from the same anime. Like the famous naruto fights everyone knows, or for me recently, SAO II Mother's Rosario arc with the Sleeping Knights fight. That immediately popped out to me compared to basically everything else before as unique because of the choreography from it.
Jan 7, 11:27 PM
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@_ohara Interesting. Then can you recommend me another show where the many vs many fight is actually many vs many and not many 1v1s? As far as I know Demon Slayer was one of the first anime that was able to choreograph a fight like that in Yuukaku-hen.
Like One Piece is a great example where the general concept is always the same. We have many 1v1s.
@ktg Thats how I know you havent watched One Piece.

- Marineford
- Wano

And anyway, so what if they're 1v1'?

Demon slayer fights:

'' I NEED TO BREATHE. GET UP! GET UP! GET UP1'' *Flashback* ASSPULL Power up! *The demon has a flashback* CHEAP EMOTIONAL PAY OFF and then the usual terrible humour at the end between tanjiro, zenitsu and Inosuke

I was a fan of season 1 and Mugen train but then it fell off so hard
Jan 7, 11:40 PM
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@ktg Thats how I know you havent watched One Piece.

- Marineford
- Wano

And anyway, so what if they're 1v1'?

Demon slayer fights:

'' I NEED TO BREATHE. GET UP! GET UP! GET UP1'' *Flashback* ASSPULL Power up! *The demon has a flashback* CHEAP EMOTIONAL PAY OFF and then the usual terrible humour at the end between tanjiro, zenitsu and Inosuke

I was a fan of season 1 and Mugen train but then it fell off so hard
@_ohara You haven't seen One Piece, because your comment proves this.

When was many vs many in Marineford?
- Smoker ALONE tries to attack Luffy ALONE, but Boa Hancock ALONE stops him and fights him ALONE.
- Mihawk ALONE tries to attack Luffy ALONE, but Vista ALONE stops him...
- Kizaru ALONE tries to attack Luffy ALONE, but Marco ALONE stops him...

Again, where is that many vs many fight? Marineford was a many 1v1s at the same place and this is true for Wano as well.
Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Luffy vs Kaido

If you use an anime as an example, at least watch it first.

_ohara said:
Demon slayer fights:

'' I NEED TO BREATHE. GET UP! GET UP! GET UP1'' *Flashback* ASSPULL Power up! *The demon has a flashback* CHEAP EMOTIONAL PAY OFF and then the usual terrible humour at the end between tanjiro, zenitsu and Inosuke

I was a fan of season 1 and Mugen train but then it fell off so hard

So you haven't seen Demon Slayer either. xDDDD

Look, this is pathetic at this point. Let's stop here, because you clearly haven't watched these shows and you don't know any other shows that have many vs many fights.
Jan 7, 11:43 PM
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@_ohara You haven't seen One Piece, because your comment proves this.

When was many vs many in Marineford?
- Smoker ALONE tries to attack Luffy ALONE, but Boa Hancock ALONE stops him and fights him ALONE.
- Mihawk ALONE tries to attack Luffy ALONE, but Vista ALONE stops him...
- Kizaru ALONE tries to attack Luffy ALONE, but Marco ALONE stops him...

Again, where is that many vs many fight? Marineford was a many 1v1s at the same place and this is true for Wano as well.
Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Luffy vs Kaido

If you use an anime as an example, at least watch it first.

_ohara said:
Demon slayer fights:

'' I NEED TO BREATHE. GET UP! GET UP! GET UP1'' *Flashback* ASSPULL Power up! *The demon has a flashback* CHEAP EMOTIONAL PAY OFF and then the usual terrible humour at the end between tanjiro, zenitsu and Inosuke

I was a fan of season 1 and Mugen train but then it fell off so hard

So you haven't seen Demon Slayer either. xDDDD

Look, this is pathetic at this point. Let's stop here, because you clearly haven't watched these shows and you don't know any other shows that have many vs many fights.
@ktg 9 red scabbards vs kaido? worst generation vs big mom an kaido? entire straw hat crew vs oars? everyone vs imu? gunko vs the straw hat crew? you're the one who hasnt seen it.

bottom line, one piece and quite frankly most battle shounen absolutely mog demon slayer

Who cares whether it’s 1v1 or many vs many? I just don’t see anything special about demon slayer fights after giving the first season and mugen train fairly decent ratings. Not like im being a hater. It’s just very mid, im being perfectly honest.

If you get triggered by own personal taste then you need to look deep in the mirror lol
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@ktg 9 red scabbards vs kaido? worst generation vs big mom an kaido? entire straw hat crew vs oars? everyone vs imu? gunko vs the straw hat crew? you're the one who hasnt seen it.

bottom line, one piece and quite frankly most battle shounen absolutely mog demon slayer

Who cares whether it’s 1v1 or many vs many? I just don’t see anything special about demon slayer fights after giving the first season and mugen train fairly decent ratings. Not like im being a hater. It’s just very mid, im being perfectly honest.

If you get triggered by own personal taste then you need to look deep in the mirror lol
_ohara said:
9 red scabbards vs kaido?

_ohara said:
entire straw hat crew vs oars?

And Kaido or Oars is more than one character? I said many vs many. You didn't even know that Kaido is not a group but one person. You clearly haven't seen One Piece. You should really stop here, because you keep making fun of yourself.

_ohara said:
bottom line, one piece and quite frankly most battle shounen absolutely mog demon slayer

Not really, especially not when you didn't even know that Kaido is one character and not multiple.

_ohara said:
Who cares whether it’s 1v1 or many vs many? I just don’t see anything special about demon slayer fights after giving the first season and mugen train fairly decent ratings. Not like im being a hater. It’s just very mid, im being perfectly honest.

Everyone cares who has brain, because choreographing a many vs many fight is 1000 times harder to make it natural, believable.

_ohara said:
If you get triggered by own personal taste then you need to look deep in the mirror lol

Dude, you didn't know Kaido and Oars were one character and not groups. You are not allowed to speak, until you watch these shows.
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ktg said:
_ohara said:
9 red scabbards vs kaido?

_ohara said:
entire straw hat crew vs oars?

And Kaido or Oars is more than one character? I said many vs many. You didn't even know that Kaido is not a group but one person. You clearly haven't seen One Piece. You should really stop here, because you keep making fun of yourself.

_ohara said:
bottom line, one piece and quite frankly most battle shounen absolutely mog demon slayer

Not really, especially not when you didn't even know that Kaido is one character and not multiple.

_ohara said:
Who cares whether it’s 1v1 or many vs many? I just don’t see anything special about demon slayer fights after giving the first season and mugen train fairly decent ratings. Not like im being a hater. It’s just very mid, im being perfectly honest.

Everyone cares who has brain, because choreographing a many vs many fight is 1000 times harder to make it natural, believable.

_ohara said:
If you get triggered by own personal taste then you need to look deep in the mirror lol

Dude, you didn't know Kaido and Oars were one character and not groups. You are not allowed to speak, until you watch these shows.

Lmao, if anything I admire your rage baiting skills.
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By all means, my answer should be yes, but I'm not capable of detecting "really" bad animation or choreography, though I can obviously detect excellent ones. So my answer is no. For example, One Punch Man season 3 got downvoted to oblivion because of "terrible" animation, but to me, it only appeared average, worse than both season 1 and 2, but not the bottom of the barrel.
Jan 8, 5:27 AM

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Oh yeah, I'm similar in this regard, the emotional weight takes priority for me.

Although there are exceptions - in Kabaneri, I really enjoyed all these fight scenes with Mumei in the spotlight in the first few episodes and the post-series movie because of the sound effects and how "technical" it all felt. Plus I'm a sucker for cute-but-deadly type characters and it was just really fun to see this scary side of her.

I'd say I care more about the choreography itself in tokusatsu. In recent memory, Kamen Rider Vram's debut fight was excellent and just last week the debut for Kamen Rider Nox had some absolutely phenomenal work.
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@ktg Thats how I know you havent watched One Piece.

- Marineford
- Wano

And anyway, so what if they're 1v1'?

Demon slayer fights:

'' I NEED TO BREATHE. GET UP! GET UP! GET UP1'' *Flashback* ASSPULL Power up! *The demon has a flashback* CHEAP EMOTIONAL PAY OFF and then the usual terrible humour at the end between tanjiro, zenitsu and Inosuke

I was a fan of season 1 and Mugen train but then it fell off so hard
_ohara said:
Demon slayer fights:

'' I NEED TO BREATHE. GET UP! GET UP! GET UP1'' *Flashback* ASSPULL Power up!
This how you know someone who watches anime on tiktok, probably maybe to quickly increase their anime watch days count. This claim of yours doesn't hold up. You could prove me wrong, but you can't, bcuz tiktok anime weeb and that would require you to actually go watch the show which will be impossible for you
_ohara said:
The demon has a flashback* CHEAP EMOTIONAL PAY OFF
ok the "cheap" claim is purely subjective, but the way you claimed it seems to imply EVERY demon has it. Which is a crazy thing to say bcuz fun fact: only 30% of the demons encountered in demon slayer has a sad backstory, based on the anime checkpoint in your list. This just goes to further the tiktok anime watching proof. On the very little chance you didn't watch it on tiktok, this simply means you weren't paying attention and have a very selective memory that only benefits when you want to complain and seek validation for it.
_ohara said:
usual terrible humour at the end between tanjiro, zenitsu and Inosuke
Humor will always be subjective, so whenever someone yap on about "terrible humor" it just means "it wasn't my humor". So while there's nothing to debate here, it's surprising and looks very dishonest for a One Piece fan of all things, to say "terrible humor." We eat that shit all the time in One Piece lmao. Probably it's just tiktok, you watched One Piece on tiktok too, so those parts were trimmed and cut and remixed and skipped and sped-up and whatever they do, so you didn't get to see all that bullshit
_ohara said:
bottom line, one piece and quite frankly most battle shounen absolutely mog demon slayer
haha nice joke. I also like how you sneaked One Piece in there and thought we wouldn't notice
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Tyrecty said:
_ohara said:
Demon slayer fights:

'' I NEED TO BREATHE. GET UP! GET UP! GET UP1'' *Flashback* ASSPULL Power up!
This how you know someone who watches anime on tiktok, probably maybe to quickly increase their anime watch days count. This claim of yours doesn't hold up. You could prove me wrong, but you can't, bcuz tiktok anime weeb and that would require you to actually go watch the show which will be impossible for you
_ohara said:
The demon has a flashback* CHEAP EMOTIONAL PAY OFF
ok the "cheap" claim is purely subjective, but the way you claimed it seems to imply EVERY demon has it. Which is a crazy thing to say bcuz fun fact: only 30% of the demons encountered in demon slayer has a sad backstory, based on the anime checkpoint in your list. This just goes to further the tiktok anime watching proof. On the very little chance you didn't watch it on tiktok, this simply means you weren't paying attention and have a very selective memory that only benefits when you want to complain and seek validation for it.
_ohara said:
usual terrible humour at the end between tanjiro, zenitsu and Inosuke
Humor will always be subjective, so whenever someone yap on about "terrible humor" it just means "it wasn't my humor". So while there's nothing to debate here, it's surprising and looks very dishonest for a One Piece fan of all things, to say "terrible humor." We eat that shit all the time in One Piece lmao. Probably it's just tiktok, you watched One Piece on tiktok too, so those parts were trimmed and cut and remixed and skipped and sped-up and whatever they do, so you didn't get to see all that bullshit
_ohara said:
bottom line, one piece and quite frankly most battle shounen absolutely mog demon slayer
haha nice joke. I also like how you sneaked One Piece in there and thought we wouldn't notice

Holy cope. So now suddenly I haven’t watched any anime because I pretty much summarised demon slayer fights. Bro thinks I watched op on TikTok? How many people can say they’ve watched One Piece TWICE like me?

Weird to assume that I even have TikTok… i don’t.

The fact I need to defend my self is wild, but yes I am an honest watcher, I pay full attention, I don’t skip ANYTHING.

All it takes is one look at my list to see that I gave demon slayer pretty high scores, i even have Rengoku on my favourite characters list, i like demon slayer despite what i dont like about it (everything i mentioned in my first comment) ever thought about that? Ever thought about the fact that theres more to demon slayer than the fights? I dont like the fights, but I like what the characters symbolically represent, especially Rengoku.

You clearly took my exaggerated summary which was meant to parody demon slayer, way too literally, as if you cracked the code on me or something.

You don’t even know me. Go cry in the corner or something and learn to debate my points in a healthy manner instead of accusing me of stuff i don’t do.
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Those battle shounen (like the actual ones where they throw out devices) have so much presence.
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