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Jan 11, 2024 8:26 AM
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Beautiful.

I love how, despite being a fictional anime, they manage to evoke such genuine reactions from the characters to what is unfolding. They are not simple predetermined templates that respond to what they already have by default, but rather they evolve and present various nuances, as in real life. That's what captivated me about this anime in the first season, and it's refreshing to see that it remains consistent in this second season.
Jan 11, 2024 9:28 AM

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Ronninn said:
Holy fuck this is cringe as it gets, how the hell did I watch a whole season of this

for real. all her classmates watched her while she was getting bullied...
KyoyaTempestJan 11, 2024 9:32 AM
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Jan 11, 2024 9:36 AM

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I would simply intimidate Erika and if she's not scared then start to torment and harass her. Or make a slut from her with gossip or some set up like getting other popular guy from different class to invite her then share some lies that he did her on first date and like she wanted money or something ;]

Too bad though I hoped she would start being more friendly after that sports win.

The idea of Fumiya to run is bad idea unless you run to get some exp? but in games it is easy not in normal life.

anyway the situation in their class is easy to solve as it is only one person Erika. It would be harder in real life as there would be more than two bullies in real situation.
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ ちゅっ ちゅっ キス (´。✪ω✪。`)

I hate it when anime/manga that I enjoyed ends, especially when there could be much longer plot and when I love main heroine :P

I wish I had magic glasses that let me see real world in anime colors ;)
Jan 11, 2024 2:35 PM

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They really rushed the 4. Vol. in to 1 and half episode? (9 f*cking hour content...)
Jan 11, 2024 9:29 PM
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A page from Aoi's strategy guide: Bullying is okay when it happens to some jobber, but when it happens to a main character, then you can get serious.
This woman is trash, no question. Maybe the people from last season weren't exaggerating when they called her a sociopath in the making.

On Erika, it's oddly refreshing to see a gal-type character portrayed as the stereotypical bully/delinquent like intended, instead of just a flashy love interest for the nerd MC. I am invested in seeing how Tomozaki will teach Hanabi how to game. Why are these hooks so good?
@Lampblasted tbf I dropped the anime after this episode, can't really watch so many trash characters that don't make one single move while all this stuff is happening. And as you said, everyone does nothing till it's a main character 🥴
Jan 12, 2024 12:37 AM

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Tama could just start doing with Konno the same thing she's doing with Tama, instead of just pointing out that Konno did those things on purpose

It was hard to watch this episode since there was such a simple action she could at least try to do and see what would happen.
Jan 12, 2024 4:49 AM

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bitch be bullying she must be put into place! there must be some satisfying sweet revenge for this!
3/5.


Jan 12, 2024 5:28 AM

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Cobalt-Blue said:
Saphhh said:
This episode wasn't that good tbh...

They repeated the same thing over and over and stretched it for quite some time
The plot ain't really moving forward imo with this useless side story drama but at the same time this anime does put character development at overdrive lol

I think the point was to portray that Erika has been doing this for weeks to both of them now and the class is fed up with it everyday. Sadly, it's a realistic depiction of the JP mindset. Everyone just do nothing and the problem will go away on its own... Aoi didn't care about the side character because she didn't even try to stand up for herself at all. Meanwhile, someone she knows did and now the entire class is ostracizing her (neutral) due to not wanting to be involved in the situation, so it's natural.
Also can get into Aoi being a sociopath when in reality it's more like an extreme form of self preservation. Not really spoilers, but Aoi is only interested in Tomozaki to make him her ideal man... Tomozaki's more positive attributes are slowly rubbing off on her while Aoi's social skills are helping tomozaki fit in better in "society" while also making him more appealing to Aoi.

Explain to me about tomozaki being an ideal man for Aoi (I don't mind spoilers)
I'd like to know what happens going forward as I'm pretty sure no relationship development is taking place in this season (could be wrong tho)
Jan 12, 2024 5:33 AM
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So is tomozaki here gonna play hanabi like a smash bros character to 1v1 kono, but without actually fighting, and instead with talk-no-jitsu?

Please just actually fight instead, it'd actually be amazing to see


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Jan 12, 2024 9:06 AM
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Hmm, honestly surprised that I'm liking this anime. I remember being turned off because of the visuals and charas looking generic af, but it has a nice vibe to it, gonna keep watching!
Jan 12, 2024 11:08 AM
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so mistakes happens everyday ? this is bullshit, everyone should be against this blonde bitch, and maybe do the same for her, if she hits my table by mistake, then we should do the same lmao, also Hanabi didn't do anything wrong against her, cuz the bitch touched her, like bitch you can't touch anyone you want then say stop using violence, class are saying that they don't want to see it everytime then stand up together and stop the bitch from doing bitch things, holy shit this is really kids classroom
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Jan 12, 2024 5:23 PM
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Why Fumiya try to solve Tama's problem? I think, Erika is not final boss.
Jan 12, 2024 10:35 PM

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The ruse to motivate Erika Konno gets Tomozaki all fired up from the help of its Big 3: Yuzu, Aoi and Takahiro, on the cusp of the Izumi-Nakamura couple, and on top of Tomozaki's own practices...to make fouls, their class made it in the sports tournament. The exception, however, is Erika's "accidents" on Hirabayashi because she realized that she'd been duped that Nakamura would notice her (when the relationship has already been done before then). The kicker, however, is Hinami already realizing this would eventually happen, that Hirabayashi is taking the rap for Erika's own misdemeanors, that as much as Tomozaki wants to help, he must be very careful about it.

The whole class in disarray of Erika's interest on Nakamura, takes a toll even on Tama, switching targets from Hirabayashi. Even so then, Erika's attacks continued, and as much as both Aoi and Mimimi tries to stop her, both would eventually help Tama break out from the rouse. Even Aoi feels helpless, and Mimimi feels more so that everyone in class is making her the bad guy. The only logical way is to retreat, and Tomozaki advises Tama to back out, though she knows she won't when she's right.

"Teach me how to fight back", that's the Tama way to Tomozaki. Hope she does fight back against the status quo.
Jan 13, 2024 1:38 AM

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Exactly my thoughts. This class is trash and has no balls whatsoever. They see someone being bullied and just stand there and stare at it. Even main cast in my opinion is dumb, if they see their friend getting bullied why won't they react and just act in the background which won't solve the issue? (talking about Mimimi, and Hinami there). If they stood by Tama's side (strenght in numbers after all), Konno would for sure stop it since she would only worsen her standing with literally everyone in the class and school since she would be against the most popular girls in the class/school. But dumb anime logic like always...
@Arreit What are you talking about? What's happening with Tama isn't a gang fight; she kicks her table and talks badly about her. What would be the point of staying together? The main point of this situation is that, despite everything, what Erika does is 'light.' If it were more serious, like physical assault or something direct, it would be easier.


Well, now a general comment. What should they do? Get into a physical fight with Erica? Whoever started this would be wrong.
Another point is to think that students (people) are all altruistic and will come together to solve the problem, wake up to reality.

Her friends, especially Aoi and Mimimi, were trying to resolve things peacefully without causing a scene at school.
Japanese prefer to avoid scandals that draw excessive negative attention.
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Jan 13, 2024 6:03 PM
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PAVELsama said:
Lampblasted said:
A page from Aoi's strategy guide: Bullying is okay when it happens to some jobber, but when it happens to a main character, then you can get serious.
This woman is trash, no question. Maybe the people from last season weren't exaggerating when they called her a sociopath in the making.

On Erika, it's oddly refreshing to see a gal-type character portrayed as the stereotypical bully/delinquent like intended, instead of just a flashy love interest for the nerd MC. I am invested in seeing how Tomozaki will teach Hanabi how to game. Why are these hooks so good?

It’s a different situation hirabayashi was under pressure without making anything so for Hanami there was no interest in helping her if she didn’t make the first move to try to resolve the problem herself, plus that was a little bullying.

While for the bullying of tama it’s a different way, she’s feeling the pressure by Erika and the others classmates even if she try to defend herself she’s wrong. She puts more effort and determination than hirabayashi to get out of this situation. so it’s logic for hanami to help her in this situation

I kinda agree, but hirabayashi was the “quit” person in the class in her nature she wouldn’t want to cause to much attention to herself. You can see in the previous episode she is a quit timmied person. So for Aoi not taking interest in helping her at all kinda shows her shitty side. We do have to remember that the anime is about popularity in the class and framed that there is a “rank structure” in the class so how I see it it’s Aoi being at the top not wanting to help Hirabayashi because she sees her as either weak or doesn’t benefit her
@Soupychecks this conflict is actually very interesting, this is the first time Aoi is being "directly" challenged in the series
Aoi's way of doing things is about "making everybody happy" by making things go as smoothly as possible
in the 1st season it was quite much hinted that her method isn't exactly right, but still so far it always provided results
she's been always looking at the big picture, yes it is a shame that Hirabayashi is getting bullied, but still overall it means less disruption in the everyday life of the class, than actually doing something about it, so the "correct" thing to do is to not do anything about it, and that's what her method is all about, always doing the "correct" thing (even if it is not right)

now when Tama is getting bullied instead, the situation "hasn't changed", the "correct" thing (that overall leads to less conflict) is still probably doing nothing about it
BUT now that she's personally involved, it is a lot harder for her to do the "correct" thing, letting Tama suffer for the "greater good", the relative peace of the class
this situation is challenging her overall method (doing the correct thing over the right thing), causing her a great inner conflict

I hope it won't be that Tomozaki swoops in with some magical solution, and this will be the first step of Aoi living more true to herself
but I might be just overthinking things (I am just speculating, I haven't read the source material)
Jan 18, 2024 4:10 AM

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That blonde bitch is annoying and trash. Gotta teach her a lesson somehow. Tama's precious.
Jan 19, 2024 5:12 AM
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No empathy & blames the victim, wow, still unsurprising for her personality.
Hanabi super brave & straightforward.
Tomozaki & Mimimi keeping her safe & resupply hp is cute.
Aoi's policies & her switch...
frustrating but realistic episode, intriguing how each person's playstyle & values are so different.
Jan 25, 2024 10:32 PM

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beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful
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Jan 26, 2024 2:38 PM

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Student becomes the teacher 😁🫵
Jan 29, 2024 12:08 PM

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Konno is truly a b*tch
Jan 30, 2024 2:45 AM
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Tomozaki is helping Tama to improve her social standing and skills in the classroom. So Tomozaki is becoming more like Aoi in this regard.
Jan 30, 2024 2:46 AM
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The mood and situation in the classroom of 2-2 sure can change fast from unite in victory to sour grapes. Tomozaki is trying hard to lift the mood.
Feb 4, 2024 10:33 AM
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Just finished the 2nd ep and I think it was dumb
Aoi doesnt gave a shjt about side character being bully, she doesnt know how hard for the victim to speak up and blamed her, but when it happened to her friend, she immediately changed her mind (hanabi spoke up herself but not effective, might be a reasonable reason that Aoi joined in)
Though she didnt really do anything so far and let that happen for a long time.
And wtf is wrong with all the classmates, I know that they dont want to get involved in problems, but even the main casts? They just sit there and watch, and then the others classmates now isolated her (for what reasons I dont know)
Hope we dont have to see more of this drama bullshjt
Feb 21, 2024 10:18 AM

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I'm just done with anime bullying at this point. Not only does it fail miserably in portraying what it wanted to, but they've somehow made this whole situation something straight out of a b-grade comedy skit. 

Horrible episode tbh. Hope those talking potatoes, I mean classmates, do start using their brains going forward.
Feb 26, 2024 2:16 AM
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class bullying is a nasty sight to behold
Feb 28, 2024 3:13 PM

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The victim blaming was crazy. I often hear/see that it's especially bad in Japan.

But cool that Tama wants to change. And I like that Tomozaki is now basically having a kouhai or better said his own student.

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Mar 2, 2024 3:40 PM
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The bullying was so well represented that made me felt a lot irritated, I hope that in the future Erika Konno would have a redemption arc, even though I can't stand here
Mar 9, 2024 9:32 AM
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As soon as the softball strategy worked it seems like the resolution backfired as Konno started to harrass Hirobayashi for something that had nothing to do with her. As Tomozaki was about to stand up for her Tomo beat him to the punch and with that mini "violent" reaction she now has her chained in a loop of bullying.

I hate that, not the way the show portrayed it but the situation itself. Using the "but you were violent that one time" is so bullshit yet that it makes me mad but at the same time I know that those things have to be handled better since the other person refuses to cooperate. Let them either not bother you or be caught in their own arguement. That or respond with a different approach, that's what I'd do here.
@rasterman7 I also hate that too,I get so pissed when the characters get bullied and the one who is being bullied doesn't do anything about it. I mean why Natsubayashi bully back Erika(I mean if she accidentally pushes the table and pencil box, why don't the Natsubayashi do the same to Erika and say it happened accidentally then say's sorry afterwards).Erika should get the taste of her own medicine.
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@rasterman7 I also hate that too,I get so pissed when the characters get bullied and the one who is being bullied doesn't do anything about it. I mean why Natsubayashi bully back Erika(I mean if she accidentally pushes the table and pencil box, why don't the Natsubayashi do the same to Erika and say it happened accidentally then say's sorry afterwards).Erika should get the taste of her own medicine.
@Anos455 Yeah, sometimes you have unfortunately respond to these kinds of actions and in a way that not only gets the message across but makes the rest fall more on your side even if that wasn't the way you'd originally approach it.
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Mar 27, 2024 8:09 AM
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I know i'm never gonna get to see this but I'd love it if someone slapped the shit out of Konno... sigh, wishful thinking...
Apr 19, 2024 1:11 AM

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I'm upset at Himami and Minami for not protecting their friend
Especially Minami who is suppose to be her best friend
Apr 19, 2024 1:18 AM

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You know what I'm even more upset at Hinami who's logic is literally victim blaming


'Oh the person being bullied is complicit in the bullying because they are timid.'

Absolutely disgusting
Jul 10, 2024 5:38 PM

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I hate bullied and Konno is such a bitch. Someone n a y f her.

Anyway, Hinabi is the spotlight here. She was such a forgettable character in season 1. Perhaps if someone suggested eatching her ova episode after her arc, I would have appreciated the OVA episode about her more.
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May 20, 5:42 PM
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everyone just pissed me off in this episode.. stupid episode
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