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Jan 27, 2022 6:37 AM
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The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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Jan 27, 2022 6:46 AM
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no but he rumbled his audience, if you know what I mean
Jan 27, 2022 6:51 AM
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No. It's one of the best plot twist ever. I remember the first time I watched it. Had goosebumps all over.
Jan 27, 2022 7:00 AM
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Before the basement reveal only thing that kept me to watch AOT was this mistery about this world(show in general was meh but the whole mistery was great) but after that reveal show became really good for me.
Jan 27, 2022 7:19 AM
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monsen198 said:
You must be on drugs. And Code Geass is a political show?
Yeah Code Geass issa political show bro
Jan 27, 2022 7:27 AM
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Dollar store code geass
Jan 27, 2022 7:27 AM
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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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it threw out its world building by expanding the world? 🤨
Jan 27, 2022 7:37 AM
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I seriously don't remember most of the events happened in code geass s2, other than its last 5 eps it was a dumptruck.

So no, Isayama didn't fumbled with the basement reveal. In fact the best aot chapters came after the basement reveal.
Jan 27, 2022 7:38 AM
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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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So you're either saying this with context to previous seasons or about S4.
Before S4, there was no world building aspect to begin with. The walls were all we knew. The reveals and everything didn't tantamount to 'worldbuilding'.
Now after S3's revelations, its pretty obvious the 'SnK World' is this cynical, grim place thats parallel to our world. This isn't a typical fantasy where there's oceans to be explored and new people to meet.

World building has always been an alien concept to this show. Just because they told you there's a world outside, doesn't mean they're gonna explore it. As Eren said, all there is beyond the sea is the enemy. Their world IS our world.
Jan 27, 2022 7:38 AM
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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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Are you out of your mind It holds one of the biggest revelation in history not only in anime but general entertainment.
This Show has a most perfect World Building the way story executed I still remember i had to watch 5 to 6 times to process what I had seen.
Please bro just watch Typical Shounen if you can't understand.
Jan 27, 2022 7:50 AM
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No. He expanded and recontextualised the entire world of AoT and it was one of the best parts of the whole series
Jan 27, 2022 8:17 AM
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That was always planned bro and from hindsight we can tell it was never against titans vs humans but struggle for survival between one race and rest of the world
Jan 27, 2022 8:18 AM
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Also the execution of basement was perfectly done
Jan 27, 2022 8:27 AM
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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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no the series became alot better after that point. But it IS a different show now if you compare it to back then so I understand why some ppl find it unsatisfying
Jan 27, 2022 8:34 AM

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Did we even watch the same show?

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Jan 27, 2022 9:00 AM
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Not at all. That WAS the worldbuilding. You gonna have to hold an L for this take.
Jan 27, 2022 9:00 AM
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It made the story whole lot better imo
Jan 27, 2022 9:14 AM

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DoobieSam said:
Not at all. That WAS the worldbuilding. You gonna have to hold an L for this take.


I was going to say exactly this. Can't tell if the OP is trolling or not because this may be the weirdest take I've ever heard about this show. Sounds like they wanted it to stay as a simple humanity vs monsters story.
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Jan 27, 2022 9:27 AM

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certifiedbinger said:
7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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Before S4, there was no world building aspect to begin with.

How can you say that with a straight face, the whole historical narrative, the cultural stance of the population, and the political system embedded on Paradis, are part of the worldbuilding, it constructs an idea of what being in Paradis is.

To answer the OP, and unlike most commenters here, I sort of agree. Not because the idea of discovering the truth would make the world worse per se (The S3P2 does no wrong here), but because the worldbuilding of AoT stop becoming interesting when it evolved in a simplistic and boring version of our world through the eyes of militarism
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Jan 27, 2022 9:36 AM

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monsen198 said:
You must be on drugs. And Code Geass is a political show?
Yeah Code Geass issa political show bro

political?! There was a rebellion in one scene and school girl fanservice in the other. Not to mention they dedicated an entire episode to catching a cat.
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Jan 27, 2022 9:37 AM
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StardustCursader said:
Underated00 said:
Yeah Code Geass issa political show bro

political?! There was a rebellion in one scene and school girl fanservice in the other. Not to mention they dedicated an entire episode to catching a cat.
Aye they did anything they wanted wit the anime i ain't got a problem tho
Jan 27, 2022 9:38 AM
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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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How exactly did they „throw the worldbuilding aspect“ out of the window? The basement reveal was imho the only way to give some hard context for all the soft worldbuilding and mystery elements of the earlier seasons. I think most narratives with such elements fail to deliver a satisfying conclusion for the built-up mystery and to do something interesting within this context plot-wise. One of the best examples for such a failure in this regard would be GoT (especially how the White Walkers and the Lord of Light mechanics were handled narrative-wise…) where the mystery elements get no context in the actual world and devalue nearly all worldbuilding (in context of narrative value regarding named plotpoints) in retrospect. Wether or not you like the new scale of the story and the stuff that is actually done afterwards is a totally different problem, but as I said: I think narratives with such heavily emphasized mystery elements as SnK or GoT need at least in FUNCTION some kind of „basement reveal“.
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Jan 27, 2022 9:43 AM
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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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Firstly, lookup what world-building means. The basement reveal is the "world-building".

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Jan 27, 2022 9:48 AM

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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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Except the whole other aspect of worldbuilding where the entire world shifts in tone and century and design...

If anything, the worldbuilding went super saiyan then.
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Jan 27, 2022 9:51 AM
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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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Are you kidding my friend up until season 3 it was a good series after season 4 it became one of the best with all the views of Marley and backstory of warriors.
After that I remember I was like "I want eren to kill them at the same time I don't want riner and others to die". You understand something
Jan 27, 2022 10:11 AM

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Animaniac00 said:
Dollar store code geass


This is just false lol
Jan 27, 2022 10:29 AM

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_weyhxx said:
Animaniac00 said:
Dollar store code geass


This is just false lol
Yup like Its incorrect in every way possible
Jan 27, 2022 10:35 AM
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Did isayama fumble with the basement reveal? No. Was it one of the best plot twists in anime ever? Yes. Are you on crack? Most probably.
Jan 27, 2022 11:14 AM

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The basement reveal gave meaning to all the struggles the Survey Corps had been through. Without it, the previous seasons would likely have been pointless.
As to whether or not the basement reveal was handled well or not, IT WAS. THE END.




Jan 27, 2022 11:46 AM

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Post-basement AOT is the only AOT that matters when you look at the whole picture. S1-3 seem insignificant when compared to the themes S4 is portraying.
Jan 27, 2022 12:01 PM
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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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IMO I think I think it’s one of the best twists in media, when watching the show for the first time I found it so entertaining, every small detail we found out drew me into the story even more and the basement reveal was brilliant and made all the waiting worth it. And everything done afterwards made the show into the masterpiece it is

Also I don’t think the ending is bad I just think it was rushed, if it was expanded apon I think it would be amazing
Jan 27, 2022 12:37 PM

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Lmao, the whole premise was ultimately and eventually leading towards the themes of freedom and how it was portrayed in the story

The basmenet reveal absolutely stuck the nail in the coffin providing a good outline for the narrative moving forward
Jan 27, 2022 12:40 PM

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2Birds1Stoned said:
Lmao, the whole premise was ultimately and eventually leading towards the themes of freedom and how it was portrayed in the story

The basmenet reveal absolutely stuck the nail in the coffin providing a good outline for the narrative moving forward

You sure you got the idiom right? Because the actual meaning of it is
something that makes it more likely that someone or something will fail, be destroyed

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Jan 27, 2022 1:46 PM
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That was when the world building became great, I don't know what you're talking about.
Jan 27, 2022 1:55 PM

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Completely changing the type of story (for the most part) is a kind of jarring twist but I like the overall direction it went, you barely see this kind of thing in anime so I kind of like it for that even if the Marley arc isn't that good at times
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Jan 27, 2022 4:12 PM
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monsen198 said:
You must be on drugs. And Code Geass is a political show?
lol yes, it's a political show. It's goes into the polities of the world system and everything. It's a rebellion against the government
Jan 27, 2022 4:13 PM
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7voo said:
The show threw its worldbuilding aspect out of the window and basically became a political drama like Code Geass.

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disagree. It revealed more of the world, how did it ruin the WB if we're finally going outside our borders?
Jan 27, 2022 4:14 PM

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Animaniac00 said:
Dollar store code geass
*Laughs in table humping scene*
Jan 27, 2022 4:21 PM

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in what world was this a bad reveal lmao

Jan 27, 2022 6:39 PM

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It was one of the best twists I’ve seen in an anime. The show has been political from the beginning considering all of the main cast joins the government military. If there was no political drama it would just be mindless Titans eating humans until one side is extinct. There would be no high stakes to justify the story. If that’s what you wanted, I can see why you are disappointed.
Jan 27, 2022 6:54 PM

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S3P1 was an entire cour of political drama dealing with the internal conflict within the walls between the monarchy and certain branches of the military.

People that claim the show suddenly became political in S4P1 hadn't been paying attention in S3.

The basement reveal was one of the single best executed plot twists in anime.
Jan 27, 2022 7:03 PM

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err most story ends in grand scale like involving the world and/or universe anyway

i was hoping the paths will lead to intergalactic titan space wars like star wars did /s
Jan 27, 2022 7:53 PM
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no but i fumbled my bbc in your mouth
Jan 27, 2022 8:54 PM

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no because the very best chapters came out only after the basement
Jan 27, 2022 9:04 PM
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No way. That was one of the most mindblowing twist ever.

Now ask me about the Fumbling...
Jan 27, 2022 9:09 PM

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Code Geass was political from starting .

And no, Isayama didn't fumbled after the basement reveal. The only thing he fumbled on was the final arc.
Jan 27, 2022 9:12 PM

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Yeah, "political" aspect of this anime/manga is utterly lame, but I still enjoy the action.
Jan 27, 2022 9:18 PM
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Evolved_KiR4T said:
Code Geass was political from starting .

And no, Isayama didn't fumbled after the basement reveal. The only thing he fumbled on was the final arc.

Yeah, I see a lot of arguments about the ending, essentially ch139 and the extra pages, but I actually think the whole last arc is a mess. Easily my least fav.
Jan 27, 2022 9:50 PM
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Wdym? It completely threw what we as the audience knew about the world on its head and expanded the story far beyond the walls of Paradis. It’s one of the best plot twists I’ve ever seen since it actually twists the whole plot.
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Scordolo said:
2Birds1Stoned said:
Lmao, the whole premise was ultimately and eventually leading towards the themes of freedom and how it was portrayed in the story

The basmenet reveal absolutely stuck the nail in the coffin providing a good outline for the narrative moving forward

You sure you got the idiom right? Because the actual meaning of it is
something that makes it more likely that someone or something will fail, be destroyed


OK Mr. Grammar Nazi-san

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