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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- An interesting film. I'd like to see more. All characters are so cute. And that idea how devastating "wearing a mask" can be... We all play dif roles but we shouldn't lose ourselves, should be able to reveal our true selves to close ppl. |
| Such a beautiful movie, I loved Kunieda's both sides too! And I loved the perfect ending 😍😍😍. I think I'll start reading the manga, but I hope a series comes out later!! |
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| pretty decent up until the last ten mins... why does yaoi always have to pull this crap? i wish we would get adaptations of good manga with healthy relationships.. |
| Pretty good little movie and its a yaoi of course they will throw a sex scene in I don't know what people were expecting. hanyuhi16 said: Such a beautiful movie, I loved Kunieda's both sides too! And I loved the perfect ending 😍😍😍. I think I'll start reading the manga, but I hope a series comes out later!! Its an LN with no manga adaption also it seems that it had only 3 volumes with 36 chapters and it finished in 2016 so they probably just animated the more important parts of the story I'm sure everything is more fleshed out in the LN or maybe only part of the story was animated. I doubt I will ever have the time to read it, but this adaption seemed to come to a decent conclusion. |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| The last scene ruined the movie for me. |
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AdelHaruko said: ann_sordo said: I like the concept but the last ten min with that stupid stereotypical *force myself on him* scene ruined it.. also, nobody is talking about how he kissed him with the mask still on!!!! like the amount of germs that was on it.... Did he really forced himself on Owari? 🤣 he’s already naked and felt good.. when he got sucked on, it’s definitely a consent... first time is always painful, and there’s always persuasion to try something out of comfort zone.. men’s pleasure spot includes prostate.. He felt good so it’s ok? What kind of reasoning is that. It’s sex, of course the body is going to react to it. That doesn’t mean the person who owns the body wants to participate. “men’s pleasure spot includes prostate” ok? and the female pleasure spot includes their vagina but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to harm them. If you think that’s a healthy relationship then good luck with any future partners. He said “no” countless times and you want to learn something new today? no =/= consent. I’m not mad at the anime since dub-con happens in yaoi all the time (although I wish it didn’t), I’m just mad that some people go as far to justify it and say consent was involved. |
UnwantedLoliMar 17, 2021 2:50 PM
UnwantedLoli said: AdelHaruko said: Did he really forced himself on Owari? 🤣 he’s already naked and felt good.. when he got sucked on, it’s definitely a consent... first time is always painful, and there’s always persuasion to try something out of comfort zone.. men’s pleasure spot includes prostate.. He felt good so it’s ok? What kind of reasoning is that. It’s sex, of course the body is going to react to it. That doesn’t mean the person who owns the body wants to participate. “men’s pleasure spot includes prostate” ok? and the female pleasure spot includes their vagina but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to rape them. If you think that’s a healthy relationship then good luck with any future partners. He said “no” countless times and you want to learn something new today? no =/= consent. I’m not mad at the anime since rape happens in yaoi all the time (although I wish it didn’t), I’m just mad that some people go as far to justify it and say consent was involved. Well, personally I think that scene was handled very badly, that it ruined the flow and that it would have been good if they didn't use that trope since this is not the 00s anymore and it hurts the lgbtqia+ community. That aside, I think it's very unfair of you to say: "It’s sex, of course the body is going to react to it. That doesn’t mean the person who owns the body wants to participate" or "If you think that’s a healthy relationship then good luck with any future partners." A 'no' that gets ignored in ANY context should always be alerting people to danger, yes, you're right on that. But context DOES account for something and it's up to each of us to discern if that's really a dangerous situations or not. And I say this not as a way to defend a potentially cancerous narrative as the one we saw on this movie but because you're being very dishonest on drawing the line where you feel comfortable while judging other people who may read context differently from you. So please get off your high horse, also because you use the word 'rape' a little too freely for my tastes and that may be harmful to the survivor crowd. The word you're searching for is 'dub-con' |
| "When I was a kid I would often think about the future. At that time I believed everything would naturally fall into place. But it just didn't happen." |
relena4 said: UnwantedLoli said: He felt good so it’s ok? What kind of reasoning is that. It’s sex, of course the body is going to react to it. That doesn’t mean the person who owns the body wants to participate. “men’s pleasure spot includes prostate” ok? and the female pleasure spot includes their vagina but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to harm them. If you think that’s a healthy relationship then good luck with any future partners. He said “no” countless times and you want to learn something new today? no =/= consent. I’m not mad at the anime since dub-con happens in yaoi all the time (although I wish it didn’t), I’m just mad that some people go as far to justify it and say consent was involved. Well, personally I think that scene was handled very badly, that it ruined the flow and that it would have been good if they didn't use that trope since this is not the 00s anymore and it hurts the lgbtqia+ community. That aside, I think it's very unfair of you to say: "It’s sex, of course the body is going to react to it. That doesn’t mean the person who owns the body wants to participate" or "If you think that’s a healthy relationship then good luck with any future partners." A 'no' that gets ignored in ANY context should always be alerting people to danger, yes, you're right on that. But context DOES account for something and it's up to each of us to discern if that's really a dangerous situations or not. And I say this not as a way to defend a potentially cancerous narrative as the one we saw on this movie but because you're being very dishonest on drawing the line where you feel comfortable while judging other people who may read context differently from you. So please get off your high horse, also because you use the word 'rape' a little too freely for my tastes and that may be harmful to the survivor crowd. The word you're searching for is 'dub-con' No I understand your point, I was being too aggressive since it’s a personal topic. I switched my wording to dub-con. Of course people can see it in different ways, I wasn’t putting much thought into it and read + responded to their comment with tunnel vision. I don’t think it was a necessarily dangerous situation but imo there wasn’t much (if any) consent. As always it’s a shonen ai that uses an unhealthy relationship trope so there’s not much point in discussing it. I just didn’t like that some thought it was an ok situation, but obviously I put 0 effort into trying to see it their way. |
UnwantedLoli said: relena4 said: Well, personally I think that scene was handled very badly, that it ruined the flow and that it would have been good if they didn't use that trope since this is not the 00s anymore and it hurts the lgbtqia+ community. That aside, I think it's very unfair of you to say: "It’s sex, of course the body is going to react to it. That doesn’t mean the person who owns the body wants to participate" or "If you think that’s a healthy relationship then good luck with any future partners." A 'no' that gets ignored in ANY context should always be alerting people to danger, yes, you're right on that. But context DOES account for something and it's up to each of us to discern if that's really a dangerous situations or not. And I say this not as a way to defend a potentially cancerous narrative as the one we saw on this movie but because you're being very dishonest on drawing the line where you feel comfortable while judging other people who may read context differently from you. So please get off your high horse, also because you use the word 'rape' a little too freely for my tastes and that may be harmful to the survivor crowd. The word you're searching for is 'dub-con' No I understand your point, I was being too aggressive since it’s a personal topic. I switched my wording to dub-con. Of course people can see it in different ways, I wasn’t putting much thought into it and read + responded to their comment with tunnel vision. I don’t think it was a necessarily dangerous situation but imo there wasn’t much (if any) consent. As always it’s a shonen ai that uses an unhealthy relationship trope so there’s not much point in discussing it. I just didn’t like that some thought it was an ok situation, but obviously I put 0 effort into trying to see it their way. Thank you for re-wording that. I agree that the story would have greatly improved if they handled the sex scene differently sigh. |
| "When I was a kid I would often think about the future. At that time I believed everything would naturally fall into place. But it just didn't happen." |
| seriously? people are hurt about the last 10 minutes? he was obviously faking it...manipulating with Tsuzuki. Kunieda Kei is a toxic manipulator and liar, acting nice on the outside for business to fool others while swearing at them on the inside. |
| Whats falling from sky is not rain, but tears. ---------------------------------------------------- Everyone laushing to one because he is different, One laughing to everyone because their all same. |
| A good movie until you get to the final minutes... and that ruins the whole experience. I'm tired of toxic relationships, the sex scene "dub-con"...there was no doubt about it. It wasn't consensual, and that ruins the movie. If they had cut it at the kiss or at least make it consensual, I wouldn't be feeling this bitter taste. At least, I got to hear Abeshi's beautiful voice. |
Paul-Kun said: seriously? people are hurt about the last 10 minutes? he was obviously faking it...manipulating with Tsuzuki. Kunieda Kei is a toxic manipulator and liar, acting nice on the outside for business to fool others while swearing at them on the inside. I agree with you. Rape didn't even cross my mind. Also, if he was raped why would he ask for a kiss after it, showing joy? |
| Vide cor Meum |
| This was pretty good, I'm surprised the score is so low. 2020 had so many gay animovies I'm just now discovering. It's been great. |
UnwantedLoli said: I don’t think it was a necessarily dangerous situation but imo there wasn’t much (if any) consent. There was consent 1) when he made him cum, 2) when he got out the lube and started to put his dick in Then he got scared because of the pain and the entire scene was just comedy if you pay attention to the dialogues. Or do you think people who don't give consent joke around like he did, when he got all shy very fakely telling him to stop? Then he said it was literally joking but he was serious about the pain. They were bouncing off of each other, it was perfectly harmless. The only trope here was the yamete kudasai which isn't a yaoi thing, it's a hentai thing in general. |
Rojaseb said: Uh- That's not how it works. If someone says no it means no, no matter how their body reacts to it.. Also just because it's a trope doesn't mean that it's okay?? UnwantedLoli said: I don’t think it was a necessarily dangerous situation but imo there wasn’t much (if any) consent. There was consent 1) when he made him cum, 2) when he got out the lube and started to put his dick in Then he got scared because of the pain and the entire scene was just comedy if you pay attention to the dialogues. Or do you think people who don't give consent joke around like he did, when he got all shy very fakely telling him to stop? Then he said it was literally joking but he was serious about the pain. They were bouncing off of each other, it was perfectly harmless. The only trope here was the yamete kudasai which isn't a yaoi thing, it's a hentai thing in general. This is like the same argument that men who force women into having sex with them use? Sex is like something that if you aren't ready for you aren't ready for someone doesn't need to convince you to have it if you don't want to have it |
Accord2 said: The definition of rape is "unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly. . ." That's what it is.. regardless of what the victims reaction is.Paul-Kun said: seriously? people are hurt about the last 10 minutes? he was obviously faking it...manipulating with Tsuzuki. Kunieda Kei is a toxic manipulator and liar, acting nice on the outside for business to fool others while swearing at them on the inside. I agree with you. Rape didn't even cross my mind. Also, if he was raped why would he ask for a kiss after it, showing joy? |
shozee said: Sex is like something that if you aren't ready for you aren't ready for someone doesn't need to convince you to have it if you don't want to have it My point was they were already HAVING sex. We only got to see the penetration part of two men that love each other and have known each other for months. It was a safe environment for him to be pushy, and Kei ended up liking it a lot, so Ushio was right to assume it would be fine. Saying yamete like a dumbass it's just something anime does (and porn in general), and in my opinion it doesn't glamorize or encourages rape for anyone who has more than 2 working braincells. I get what you're to do here by being righteous and fighting for the cause but it just sounds like you're missing the point and like you weren't really paying attention to the dialogues and body language because Kei saying no distracted you |
RojasebApr 7, 2021 2:05 PM
| You're all more butthurt about an animated film than the MC of said film... Just saying. |
| I enjoyed this!! I think they actually did the characterizations well for such a short film. That was really cute, it’s nice that Kunieda has found someone that sees through him & accepts all sides of him, and his true self. I think we all have a little of Kunieda in us, more common than we would think. I’m pretty much like him at work too, having to put up a facade to separate your professional & true self can be more tiring than you’d think. I guess I could really relate to that. The narrative of the story was a little weak tho, I liked the alien/stop-motion story that was sort of an imagery for how Kunieda is like, and the whole mask-wearing metaphor. But....the conclusion?? Was like eh?? So a romance is what’s going to help & resolve his loss of self????? Maybe there’s more content in the LN. Also the ending was quite vague, did I miss something? And the after-credits scene too, so he continued with his job or did he resign or transfer elsewhere? And come on, that wasn’t rape, gtfo seriously. Anyway, Tsuzuki’s singing voice is really nice!! |
 ꕤ but i’ll probably remember over and over again you were there and everyone else was there — the day we all searched for just one thing ꕤ |
| I liked this movie over all but i wasn‘t sure about the sex scene either. Maybe that’s because we didn’t really see the foreplay to know if he really enjoyed it and prepared him properly idk. Also that wasn‘t even lube, it was hand cream. This trope in Yaoi also is so outdated. But i guess it’s just a Japanese thing to scream „stopt stop“ and not meaning it idk. But other than that i really enjoyed this movie. As someone who works in the TV industry i know that there’s a lot of announcers struggling with the fact they can’t show their „real face“ in public. |
| There are so many really cute, sweet BL manga/light novels that they could be adapting. Instead, they give us yet more dub-con/non-con gross shit because apparently it's not interesting to watch if it's not toxic af. Thanks for nothing. The funniest part is that they could have just ended it 10 minutes earlier and it would have been alright. Not perfect, but definitely an improvement. |
When you are so mad at a movie, you start to make a meme to express your feelings about it. |
yoroshikus said: pretty decent up until the last ten mins... why does yaoi always have to pull this crap? i wish we would get adaptations of good manga with healthy relationships.. _Maneki-Neko_ said: When you are so mad at a movie, you start to make a meme to express your feelings about it. this ending just make me fell disgusted with the movie |
Luiz_viegas said: yoroshikus said: pretty decent up until the last ten mins... why does yaoi always have to pull this crap? i wish we would get adaptations of good manga with healthy relationships.. _Maneki-Neko_ said: When you are so mad at a movie, you start to make a meme to express your feelings about it. this ending just make me fell disgusted with the movie Oh no! Gay people having sex! Anyway... |
| 8/10 cuz Owari was such a dick, bahhahahahhh XD Tsuzuki's pillow talk voice is sooooooo sexy, OMG 😍😍😍 not to mention how hawt he looks shirtless *drools* :F |
| Finally got around to watch this and while it was nothing special, I enjoyed it and it had some cute moments... and then it had to end with that. Sigh. I do feel like the novel made it slightly more dubious but cut like it was here, that wasn't even much of a dub-con, that was non-con. And even if he gave (dubious) consent prior, he should be able to withdraw it. The love doesn't amount to much if he isn't able to accept postponing it later than the day of confession. And no, this wasn't months later after they were in relationship, even in the novel it's fairly obviously the same day since there is no scene cut in between. He did get him muddleheaded with handjob first but that doesn't mean he gets to take away his right to stop. Just make do with his hands or thighs or bj at least once, jeez. The fact they still fall into this trope years into their relationship... is not what's shown here. Also lotion, really? Ugh. |
AlwerienJan 22, 2023 6:48 AM
| Need to make new sig. Soon. Maybe. |
| It was going absolutely perfect “a 10” for me, but why they made Tsuzuki do that god damn |
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