| I don't know most of them but I hope they can do their job without problems regardless. |
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Veronin said: Kineta addressed that in her post.Yay. |
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| Congratulations you guys. Time to annoy the crap out of Joker heh heh. |
| Congrats and welcome to the team!!! |
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Demi_V said: Yes, any and all reviews/recommendations that have already been reported will be looked over and dealt with accordingly. What about reviews that have been reported a long time ago, like the first one here and here? Will they be taken care of, too? Please do note, however, that there are 7 Review/Rec moderators and an extremely long reported review backlog, meaning that each of us will have to individually handle quite a few reports on average, not counting any new reports that come in the meantime. As such, please bear with us as we get the ball rolling while remaining mindful that things will start off rather slowly as we get more used to the position and will smooth out over time. |
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lpf said: It's the first thing we will deal with. But the queue is extremely long and I estimate it will take one to three weeks to clear it. AndyRayy said: Yes, any and all reviews/recommendations that have already been reported will be looked over and dealt with accordingly. Please do note, however, that there are 7 Review/Rec moderators and an extremely long reported review backlog, meaning that each of us will have to individually handle quite a few reports on average, not counting any new reports that come in the meantime. As such, please bear with us as we get the ball rolling while remaining mindful that things will start off rather slowly as we get more used to the position and will smooth out over time. Thanks for the prompt responses! Good luck! |
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brrr said: So many kawaii people on that list, espeically Hidden_Joker. Good luck y'all. Oh Mahou Kony. Stop changing your name dammit I didn't realize who you were at first. MellowJello said: Congratulations you guys. Time to annoy the crap out of Joker heh heh. Come at me onii chan. My ready is body. Thanks for the welcome everyone |
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| Oh good, you put in two people who are very biased and have (seperate) cliques of circlejerk friends they will never moderate properly within reviews and recommendations. Great. |
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| As said to every user separately, I will be expecting much from the entire team. There is a lot of work to do, so get to it, you dogs! ;) As for the part where Kineta has mentioned the alternative/duplicate accounts... She is not oversizing the actions she plans to take when saying that. Take my word on it, I know. Best be a good boy/girl and go with the (unpleasant) flow, until hopefully, some actually helpful system changes will take action. Some actual control and auto-prevention, not being a trust game with heavy circumstances. Eh, but that's not the topic of this thread. Wish you best of luck (skill & knowledge before that), peeps! :) TallonKarrde23 said: Oh good, you put in two people who are very biased and have (seperate) cliques of circlejerk friends they will never moderate properly within reviews and recommendations. Great. ... Seems like I'm not the only one who has spotted that... Well, I can say that for one user that got picked, not two, but I can be almost certain on that one that he/she is not really a wise pick... Regardless, let's give every one of them a chance, okay? (I'll keep a close eye on them) *Creepy background music* |
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Peiale said: ... Seems like I'm not the only one who has spotted that... Well, I can say that for one user that got picked, not two, but I can be almost certain on that one that he/she is not really a wise pick... Regardless, let's give every one of them a chance, okay? (I'll keep a close eye on them) *Creepy background music* I'm going to assume we're agreeing on who that same 'one' is - I'd ask you to please PM Kineta about it so that there is more than just myself speaking up about this to her. Even if you only take a couple minutes to throw together a PM, please do so. This is an egregious error. As for the second, I thought about it some more and that is not such an issue. The idea to give everyone a chance is fine - however that doesn't mean you should not at least let Kineta know your issue with this. The users of the site know more than a leader who, and this isn't a complaint, simply can't be expected to know everyone as well as the users will. Your opinion would definitely at least give her some reason to keep an eye on that new mod and/or reconsider their position. |
TallonKarrde23Jan 19, 2014 3:55 PM
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IntroverTurtle said: Veronin said: Kineta addressed that in her post.Yay. "Hopefully" and "next few months" don't leave me very optimistic. The votebombing issue pretty much makes MAL reviewing a waste of time, as one troll has made it their mission to destroy every active writer on this site. I can't write another review right now, for example, because it will inevitably result in all my reviews being unhelpful bombed again. The new review moderators are cool and all, but that only gets rid of the spam and blatant trolling. The main issue still remains, and as far as I can tell, we're never going to see it fixed. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: I'm going to assume we're agreeing on who that same 'one' is - I'd ask you to please PM Kineta about it so that there is more than just myself speaking up about this to her. Even if you only take a couple minutes to throw together a PM, please do so. This is an egregious error. As for the second, I thought about it some more and that is not such an issue. The idea to give everyone a chance is fine - however that doesn't mean you should not at least let Kineta know your issue with this. The users of the site know more than a leader who, and this isn't a complaint, simply can't be expected to know everyone as well as the users will. Your opinion would definitely at least give her some reason to keep an eye on that new mod and/or reconsider their position. To prevent from going into a tad too negative discussion, I've posted a comment on your profile. I do agree with you. An extra pair of eyes (with power) can do no harm. Quite the opposite. Veronin said: The new review moderators are cool and all, but that only gets rid of the spam and blatant trolling. The main issue still remains, and as far as I can tell, we're never going to see it fixed. Being all realistic, their only duties will be to remove troll/spam reviews, as well as reviews that would be submitted far too early. There is quite a lot of hype around them, but looking at what they can actually do, almost no bigger changes will be made. Just the current low-modding will be done faster. Contrary to the popular belief, the reviews will not gain on quality, the community will stay haunted, and the whole land of reviews will still stay a hell zone. As long as the current system stays, greed and sadistic overpowering will take action. Mods and promises can be given, but I'll only praise them once some actual positive changes are seen. Wanted changes. Needed changes. |
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MellowJello said: Congratulations you guys. Time to annoy the crap out of Joker heh heh. |
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Peiale said: Veronin said: The new review moderators are cool and all, but that only gets rid of the spam and blatant trolling. The main issue still remains, and as far as I can tell, we're never going to see it fixed. Being all realistic, their only duties will be to remove troll/spam reviews, as well as reviews that would be submitted far too early. There is quite a lot of hype around them, but looking at what they can actually do, almost no bigger changes will be made. Just the current low-modding will be done faster. Contrary to the popular belief, the reviews will not gain on quality, the community will stay haunted, and the whole land of reviews will still stay a hell zone. As long as the current system stays, greed and sadistic overpowering will take action. Mods and promises can be given, but I'll only praise them once some actual positive changes are seen. Wanted changes. Needed changes. Pretty much. All the review moderators can really do is raise the bare minimum for quality, while those who put effort into their reviews and submit them actively are still left to fend for themselves and watch their reviews die overnight. I don't even understand why this is happening either. It's not like they have a personal grudge against the reviewer or dislike the review itself or anything. They just attack everyone indiscriminately. It doesn't matter what anime it is. It doesn't matter what score you gave it. It doesn't matter if it's your best or your worst review-- it will get votebombed eventually. Reviews take a lot of time to create. If Crave isn't going to protect its writers, then what motivation do we have for writing here? Frustration and wasted effort? Doesn't seem so appealing to me. The depressing thing is that no matter how easy it is to implement a change, we will never be able to do anything about it since Crave doesn't care. MAL is a dying website and it's only a matter of time until things die completely. The review moderators just seem to be delaying the inevitable. (That said, I still applaud Kineta for doing her best here. It's just a shame that she's the only one who cares.) |
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Snax-chan said: I believe the distribution of Rev/Rec titles is one step closer to making MAL better. It will never be perfect, and I think Kineta is working hard towards a better MAL, and takes everything into account. As for now, I realize you guys have high expecations, which you should, and we'll do our best to fulfill those. Believing is one thing, while sharing the result on the paper is something completely different. However, that comes through time, and you've just started, so that's no issue there (yet). Not only that it will never be perfect, but it will never even come close. Far from that. Kineta might be trying to get things done, but as said, I'll be evaluating the results along the way, not promises and empty words. I'm trying to have my expectations as low as possible, to be honest. Such an action has been suggested by Kineta herself for any changes done on MAL in general. I'm really pumped when it comes to the matter of reviews, so guys and gals, don't let me down or make me regret it! ;) |
Veronin said: That's how you feel and it's fine, doesn't change that she's addressed it. I think reviews are partly written for yourself so I don't see it as useless, their downvotes can't affect the words in your post. And it's your choice on whether to continue for now or if you'll wait for Xinil to implement it, If you keep then, then when Kineta is able to delete the troll accounts, all your reviews will rise. IntroverTurtle said: Veronin said: Kineta addressed that in her post.Yay. "Hopefully" and "next few months" don't leave me very optimistic. The votebombing issue pretty much makes MAL reviewing a waste of time, as one troll has made it their mission to destroy every active writer on this site. I can't write another review right now, for example, because it will inevitably result in all my reviews being unhelpful bombed again. The new review moderators are cool and all, but that only gets rid of the spam and blatant trolling. The main issue still remains, and as far as I can tell, we're never going to see it fixed. Then why are you asking if there's a fix yet and why are you still writing reviews if you so believe it won't ever get fixed? |
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IntroverTurtle said: Then why are you asking if there's a fix yet and why are you still writing reviews if you so believe it won't ever get fixed? For attention. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Veronin said: That's how you feel and it's fine, doesn't change that she's addressed it. I think reviews are partly written for yourself so I don't see it as useless, their downvotes can't affect the words in your post. And it's your choice on whether to continue for now or if you'll wait for Xinil to implement it, If you keep then, then when Kineta is able to delete the troll accounts, all your reviews will rise. IntroverTurtle said: Veronin said: Kineta addressed that in her post.Yay. "Hopefully" and "next few months" don't leave me very optimistic. The votebombing issue pretty much makes MAL reviewing a waste of time, as one troll has made it their mission to destroy every active writer on this site. I can't write another review right now, for example, because it will inevitably result in all my reviews being unhelpful bombed again. The new review moderators are cool and all, but that only gets rid of the spam and blatant trolling. The main issue still remains, and as far as I can tell, we're never going to see it fixed. Then why are you asking if there's a fix yet and why are you still writing reviews if you so believe it won't ever get fixed? A review is written for an audience. A blog or a journal is written for yourself. It's natural to want to share your opinion with other people, and when you put three, five, or even ten hours into writing a review, don't you want at least a tiny reward for it? I'm in university now and can't really justify spending hours per review when one child has the power to destroy it a day later. My only option right now is to wait a few more weeks and hope that he'll have gotten bored by the next time I write one. |
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Veronin said: IntroverTurtle said: Veronin said: That's how you feel and it's fine, doesn't change that she's addressed it. I think reviews are partly written for yourself so I don't see it as useless, their downvotes can't affect the words in your post. And it's your choice on whether to continue for now or if you'll wait for Xinil to implement it, If you keep then, then when Kineta is able to delete the troll accounts, all your reviews will rise. IntroverTurtle said: Veronin said: Kineta addressed that in her post.Yay. "Hopefully" and "next few months" don't leave me very optimistic. The votebombing issue pretty much makes MAL reviewing a waste of time, as one troll has made it their mission to destroy every active writer on this site. I can't write another review right now, for example, because it will inevitably result in all my reviews being unhelpful bombed again. The new review moderators are cool and all, but that only gets rid of the spam and blatant trolling. The main issue still remains, and as far as I can tell, we're never going to see it fixed. Then why are you asking if there's a fix yet and why are you still writing reviews if you so believe it won't ever get fixed? A review is written for an audience. A blog or a journal is written for yourself. It's natural to want to share your opinion with other people, and when you put three, five, or even ten hours into writing a review, don't you want at least a tiny reward for it? I'm in university now and can't really justify spending hours per review when one child has the power to destroy it a day later. My only option right now is to wait a few more weeks and hope that he'll have gotten bored by the next time I write one. Your review is not "destroyed" by votes on a website. The content is still 100% the same. If you are writing purely for 'more people to see it' then you are writing for the wrong reasons as no writer would ever write simply for the view count, which is admittedly a whole different conversation so I won't get into it. The point is the content is unchanged no matter how many negative votes it gets. Acting like a billion downvotes makes your writing quality somehow get worse is just inaccurate and you blowing something insignificant out of proportion. If people like your writing or feel you have something worth reading, they will find your reviews - whether they are on the front of the anime's page or not. If you are purely writing for attention then I'd still, as always, suggest rethinking that. Otherwise, stop caring about the votes, you get actual feedback plenty through other means. |
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| But congrats to lpf and Joker! They're the only people I know. :P Congrats to the others. <3 |
rodacJan 19, 2014 5:25 PM
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TallonKarrde23 said: Your review is not "destroyed" by votes on a website. The content is still 100% the same. If you are writing purely for 'more people to see it' then you are writing for the wrong reasons as no writer would ever write simply for the view count, which is admittedly a whole different conversation so I won't get into it. The point is the content is unchanged no matter how many negative votes it gets. Acting like a billion downvotes makes your writing quality somehow get worse is just inaccurate and you blowing something insignificant out of proportion. If people like your writing or feel you have something worth reading, they will find your reviews - whether they are on the front of the anime's page or not. If you are purely writing for attention then I'd still, as always, suggest rethinking that. Otherwise, stop caring about the votes, you get actual feedback plenty through other means. It eliminates any point in writing a review when your review reaches nobody. People write reviews because they want other people to see it. Reviews are inherently a form of consumer protection. Without an audience, there is no review. If that is attention-seeking to you then feel free to believe so. And MAL has designed the reviewing system in such a way that helpfuls/unhelpfuls determine whether or not your review is seen by anybody. When one kid comes and votes down all your reviews 15-20 times over night, you have a damn good reason to be pissed. Reviews are very personal. It's like an author writing a book and not caring if it succeeds or fails. Doesn't happen. Every single reviewer on this site cares how their reviews are received. They would write on a blog if they didn't want feedback. |
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Veronin said: TallonKarrde23 said: Your review is not "destroyed" by votes on a website. The content is still 100% the same. If you are writing purely for 'more people to see it' then you are writing for the wrong reasons as no writer would ever write simply for the view count, which is admittedly a whole different conversation so I won't get into it. The point is the content is unchanged no matter how many negative votes it gets. Acting like a billion downvotes makes your writing quality somehow get worse is just inaccurate and you blowing something insignificant out of proportion. If people like your writing or feel you have something worth reading, they will find your reviews - whether they are on the front of the anime's page or not. If you are purely writing for attention then I'd still, as always, suggest rethinking that. Otherwise, stop caring about the votes, you get actual feedback plenty through other means. It eliminates any point in writing [...] when [it] reaches nobody.. Better start working for Kotaku with that kind of thinking. Rev up that click bait. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Veronin said: It eliminates any point in writing [...] when [it] reaches nobody.. Better start working for Kotaku with that kind of thinking. Rev up that click bait. Right, because the only articles with high traffic are worthless clickbait. |
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Veronin said: It eliminates any point in writing a review when your review reaches nobody. People write reviews because they want other people to see it. Reviews are inherently a form of consumer protection. Without an audience, there is no review. If that is attention-seeking to you then feel free to believe so. And MAL has designed the reviewing system in such a way that helpfuls/unhelpfuls determine whether or not your review is seen by anybody. When one kid comes and votes down all your reviews 15-20 times over night, you have a damn good reason to be pissed. Reviews are very personal. It's like an author writing a book and not caring if it succeeds or fails. Doesn't happen. Every single reviewer on this site cares how their reviews are received. They would write on a blog if they didn't want feedback. I agree with everything you said. Only reviewers from MAL (or other websites with an up/down voting system) would understand that feeling. Reviews take time and effort, and it would make sense for all votes to be honest in order to have their rightful place on the anime or manga's page. I dislike the downvote raids as well, but all we can do is be patient include of complaining about something that's currently being addressed. In the meantime, the only rec I have is to post reviews on other websites (like Anime-Planet and Hummingbird) in addition to MAL. They aren't any as active and interactive as MAL imo, but it's the only option besides posting to see if trolls get bored. |
Demi_VJan 19, 2014 6:08 PM
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Nope_ said: Congrats babe. Thanks qt3.14 |
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| Congratulations! *looks at queue* Welcome! I know you guys are ready for this. |
| Grats to all. I recognize about 4-5 names on that list although one of them came to me as a surprise somewhat. |
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Peiale said: I'm trying to have my expectations as low as possible, to be honest. Peiale | 4 hours ago I expect quite a lot from the newly formed Rev/Rec Team, so I wish you all the best at covering the necessities. I don't know what to believe anymore :P |
| Xinil, working on code? Heresy! Well, finally. I should be able to expect some progress on quality control now. Of course, congratulations to all the new mods. |
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| Mod Note: Cleaned and reopened. Feel free to join in congratulating the new moderators who have made a significant commitment of their time to help improve your experience on MAL. If you have concerns, please express them in a private message to Kineta. If you have suggestions for improving MAL, please post them in the suggestions forum. Do not use this thread to attack other MAL users! |
rodacJan 19, 2014 8:28 PM
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| I'm glad we were able to find some gullible qualified users who want to help keep the reviews and recommendations clean. The anime database here on MAL is one of the most important site features and flippant or trolling content shouldn't be cluttering it. Welcome all the new mods and I hope to see you around. |
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saka said: I'm glad we were able to find some gullible qualified users who want to help keep the reviews and recommendations clean. The anime database here on MAL is one of the most important site features and flippant or trolling content shouldn't be cluttering it. Welcome all the new mods and I hope to see you around. Just letting anyone reading know that the review community is far from having trolls and constant abusers only at the creation of various reviews. Really, far from that. Most come from the review voting waves, and that hasn't got anything to do with the anime and/or manga databases. The votes are done fast, so it's done from the Panel. Every other raid is done through that specific user's profile. On short, why is it a hell zone and much worse than you say? Because approximately 5% of the votes cast overall are from actually visiting the page in the database. Everything else is fake. Therefore, having less troll, and generally incorrect reviews in the memory overall by having them removed ASAP is a minority. Compared to the whole picture, issues, philosophy, as well as actions that the users take for the worse, it is basically nothing. Why? Because various troll/spam reviews are far from being an intelligent issue. They come, and will now get deleted fast, hopefully. How about those who are a bit more? Those, that know how to abuse the system much more heavily? Those circles that do that, are much bigger and effect other reviews over some random troll/spam reviews that get dealt with anyway, just faster now. |
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| Have "fun" being a mod. ;) Keep those reviews clean. |
| Alooo~! Thanks for the congratulations :3 We'll do the best we can :D *waves like a princess |
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| Have fun, guys. I will do my daily duty and report a dozen reviews per day. Shouldn't be too hard. Btw, do you consider KNIM 10/10 a troll review? :P |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: Have fun, guys. I will do my daily duty and report a dozen reviews per day. Shouldn't be too hard. Btw, do you consider KNIM 10/10 a troll review? :P I personally would cause it doesn't deserve anything near 10 :I I've suffered so much the past year!!!... THAT being said, if your review is actually legit and written properly, we cannot delete something just because we don't agree with it (and thus, die slowly inside) <: So no, the numbers themselves don't matter if you are serious about them <: And please, let it be hard! xD |
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Maffy said: Nidhoeggr said: Have fun, guys. I will do my daily duty and report a dozen reviews per day. Shouldn't be too hard. Btw, do you consider KNIM 10/10 a troll review? :P I personally would cause it doesn't deserve anything near 10 :I I've suffered so much the past year!!!... THAT being said, if your review is actually legit and writen properly, we cannot delete something just because we don't agree with it (and thus, die slowly inside) <: So no, the numbers themselves don't matter if you are serious about them <: And please, let it be hard! xD I just wonder how Seo will end it... Will he troll until the very end? It's getting a 9-10/10 from me though.. >_> |
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| Congrats all! |
Hidden_Joker said: Maffy said: Nidhoeggr said: Have fun, guys. I will do my daily duty and report a dozen reviews per day. Shouldn't be too hard. Btw, do you consider KNIM 10/10 a troll review? :P I personally would cause it doesn't deserve anything near 10 :I I've suffered so much the past year!!!... THAT being said, if your review is actually legit and writen properly, we cannot delete something just because we don't agree with it (and thus, die slowly inside) <: So no, the numbers themselves don't matter if you are serious about them <: And please, let it be hard! xD I just wonder how Seo will end it... Will he troll until the very end? It's getting a 9-10/10 from me though.. >_> You sure you are the right guy for the job? :P |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
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