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Nov 30, 2013 7:58 PM

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That conversation with Sengoku was a bit unsettling. No wait, Nadeko is just disturbing but you can't help but feel sorry for her.
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness."

"May those who defy their fate be granted glory."
Nov 30, 2013 7:58 PM
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I'm also starting to like Kaiki more as a character, though he said in the beginning of the arc that his storytelling may be lies.

Though I'm curious about this scenet: http://imgur.com/a/Sdx8k

Kaiki probably had a past love who got killed in an accident, which may have transformed his psyche ice cold and despairful; leading to the life of a con man. My theory anyways.


The previous episode tells you who that was... it's why he took the job. Unless I am mistaken.
Nov 30, 2013 8:02 PM

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Intriguing how the villain on two previous arcs is now the protagonist of this one. I never thought I'd be saying this, but I'm sort of interested in his back story now.
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Nov 30, 2013 8:07 PM

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I wonder how kaiki will trick nadeko. luckily, he is able to get close, maybe even becoming her number two.

unfortunately, because nadeko isn't acting bright, it will be all the harder to change a stubborn mind
Nov 30, 2013 8:08 PM

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DangerCray said:
Grouchio said:
alexpte said:
I'm also starting to like Kaiki more as a character, though he said in the beginning of the arc that his storytelling may be lies.

Though I'm curious about this scenet: http://imgur.com/a/Sdx8k

Kaiki probably had a past love who got killed in an accident, which may have transformed his psyche ice cold and despairful; leading to the life of a con man. My theory anyways.


The previous episode tells you who that was... it's why he took the job. Unless I am mistaken.


Hmmm... it's neither Gaen or Kanbaru because they're both alive and well. Maybe it's Kanbaru's mother? Who knows. Would explain why Kanbaru is only living with her grandparents.

Edit: Also the excuse he made in taking the job was because Koyomi/Senjougahara knows Kanbaru and she's the niece of Gaen.
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Nov 30, 2013 8:12 PM

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If only the first 20 episodes had been this good...
Nov 30, 2013 8:12 PM
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ihusmal1234 said:

Hmmm... it's neither Gaen or Kanbaru because they're both alive and well. Maybe it's Kanbaru's mother? Who knows. Would explain why Kanbaru is only living with her grandparents.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it is kanbaru's mother and kanbaru is his daughter.
Nov 30, 2013 8:16 PM

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Another fantastic episode.
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If only the first 20 episodes had been this good...

You say that because you relate to Kaiki you both being old cynics and all.
Nov 30, 2013 8:16 PM
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alexpte said:
I'm also starting to like Kaiki more as a character, though he said in the beginning of the arc that his storytelling may be lies.

Though I'm curious about this scene: http://imgur.com/a/Sdx8k


My new revelation... HACHIKUJI MAYOI. If she were alive today, She'd be older than Koyomi.
Nov 30, 2013 8:22 PM

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Everything is alright now. The best girl, Kaiki, is here to save the day. Please try to make my darling Nadeko less insane and...save her? c: I loved his reactions to everything Nadeko was telling him. Not amused.

Nadeko is grade A insane now, but that scene of her and Kaiki...My heart wasn't ready. So moe it hurts.
Nov 30, 2013 8:23 PM

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nadeko is so kawaii
wuldve loved to see her running around topless
huehue haha
Nov 30, 2013 8:33 PM

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Good to see Nadeko again, although she is a bit crazy this time around.
Nov 30, 2013 8:43 PM

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Nadeko is the ultimate yandere.

Also, Kaiki has some awesome monologues.
Nov 30, 2013 9:32 PM

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one of the best episodes so far probably in my top 5 of this season so far. this is definitely my favorite anime of the year by far nothing else even comes close
Nov 30, 2013 9:46 PM

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Kaiki has balls of steel. And he's probably one of the most interesting characters I've seen in this series as of late. Loving this more and more. Can't wait to see how he's going to dupe (if at all) Sengoku.
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Nov 30, 2013 10:20 PM

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The best and unrivaled arc continues. I just noticed Kaiki art in ED has his new hairstyle.
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Nov 30, 2013 10:26 PM

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So glad Kaiki is back he was definitely my favorite part of Nise, seriously love the guy as a character.

And Nadeko... how can one person be so damn cute and scary at the same time.

Nov 30, 2013 10:36 PM
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wow this is getting really good
Nov 30, 2013 10:39 PM

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Kaiki is really getting interesting.

Love the moment Nadeko tells kaiki about Koyomi's weird tastes ... <3
Nov 30, 2013 10:49 PM
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And then there's me, hoping for a Kaiki OP. And after 2 episodes I'm really upset for not receiving one.

Nov 30, 2013 10:49 PM

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I started laughing like an idiot when they got on the topic of service and Kaiki was just like wtf is with Koyomi's head xD
Nov 30, 2013 11:26 PM

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"He won't.He's going to spend the night with me—" Hmm...what going on here.
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Nov 30, 2013 11:34 PM
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So Kanbaru's mother died in an accident.
Dec 1, 2013 12:09 AM

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Maybe the woman Kaiki loved was Kanbaru's mom. That's why he said 'yes' for Kanbaru's sake.
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Dec 1, 2013 12:13 AM
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The music at the beginning of chap 12 (around 6 mins in) is too good, Kaiki has the making to be one of the shows best characters.

Someone posted the endcard for the episode before, and that plus the ending - will we see oshino meme again?

And what's in sengoku nadeko's closet? What is Kaiki's connection to the Gaen family? Too keen for the coming weeks.
Dec 1, 2013 12:49 AM

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Medusa and her yandere logic gives me a headache. "I love him so much I am going to kill him, totally kill him."

Great episode!!!
Dec 1, 2013 12:57 AM

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jpem said:
Kaiki is really growing on me.

Same here. I didn't have much of an opinion of him in Nisemonogatari. But I'm really starting to like him in this arc and I very much enjoy his monologues and thought process.


I wonder what's the reason behind Oshino upcoming appearance (¬‿¬)
Dec 1, 2013 1:29 AM
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Kaiki is a lot more likeable in this arc. "I've never told a lie.", haha.
Dec 1, 2013 1:53 AM

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Kaiki is cool.

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Still no OP ?
I agree, where's mah new OP?

Many people skip them. 1:30 minutes multiplied by 100 episodes does add up. I tend to watch the at least once and then skip them.
Dec 1, 2013 2:14 AM

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Kaiki's hair was win.

I am not sure if I would become a believer or just run away if I didnt know Nadeko.

And obviously Nadeko is many times worse than Yuno.She doesnt even need to do anything.Just by saying what's in her mind she easily proves to be much worse(better).
Dec 1, 2013 3:00 AM

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such an awesome episode...already anticipating for episode 23.

senjougahara asking kaiki for money for her flight home. she probably did that out of spite haha

i love nadeko's yandere side. soooo cute.

...and kaiki, don't look down on lolicons LOL!
Dec 1, 2013 3:34 AM

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"I never lie" - Kaiki Deishuu

Nadeko-chan ;_; It hurts to see you so crazy T-T

I nearly hated Kaiki during Karen Bee, but I'm starting to warm up to him thanks to the epic dialogue and soliloquies :) I really enjoyed his chat with Nadeko
Dec 1, 2013 3:47 AM
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Absolutely loving this arc. The Senshougahara and Kaiki exchanges are a delight. Kaiki some much needed cynicism, intuition and and adults perspective on things. He manages to "get" what Nadeko is all about in a very short period.

This show/story advances the Senjougahara/Araragi love story so much off screen that It makes me just a tad mad (could we ever get another episode 12 please?). So not only do we know they might spend the night together, but they're actually at the stage when their parents already know each other? That's pretty big, specially in Japan.
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Dec 1, 2013 3:50 AM

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alexpte said:
I'm also starting to like Kaiki more as a character, though he said in the beginning of the arc that his storytelling may be lies.

Though I'm curious about this scene: http://imgur.com/a/Sdx8k


My bet on Suruga's mother too. But I doubt she was his lover. Probably it was just unrequired love.
Dec 1, 2013 5:12 AM

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Kaiki is such a magnificent bastard.

Nadeko is one crazy girl.

I want the next episode right now.
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Dec 1, 2013 5:40 AM

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Kaiki: "I have never told a lie"

I lol'ed.

Anyway, really loving it that Kaiki is back. Strange that Nadeko's parents wouldn't even open her closet even though she's missing.

Also SO SO SO glad to see and hear Senjougahara more frequently now, good arc to do last.


Dec 1, 2013 6:00 AM

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Honestly, I didn't enjoy the series as much whenever it wasn't in Araragi's perspective (Hanekawa arc and Nadeko arc). But for some reason, I'm really enjoying this arc with Kaiki's perspective! Maybe this means I enjoy it more on a guy's perspective, or maybe Kaiki is just that exceptional as a character.
Dec 1, 2013 6:27 AM

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Kaiki is pretty awesome so far.

I want to know what's in that closet! I've been wanting to know since Nisemonogatari!

I don't mind not having a new OP because it means more time for the story and dialogue.

Best arc so far.


Dec 1, 2013 6:53 AM

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lol, is that top secret closed gonna be an important plot point? Interesting.
Dec 1, 2013 7:08 AM

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Kaiku being awesome as usual.

That Sengoku is just so kawaii. I almost forgot that she's the villain this time.
Dec 1, 2013 7:12 AM
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Looks like the Kaiki and nadeko chitchat is doing fine.
Dec 1, 2013 7:15 AM

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Kaiki, you gotta break into that closet!

It was an awesome episode.

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Dec 1, 2013 8:08 AM

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To be entirely honest this episode was nice till the point Nadeko appeared she was really annoying for the most part i was thinking she needs a good slap or something like that.
And she got more annoying as the episode moved on.

Kaiki is ok a guess i don't dislike him but i can't say i like him either, he does make things interesting in a way.
And his behaviour does indeed follow the pattern of a good scam artist he is sharp pays good attention and is a good judge of personality in people.
Despite his uncaring personality he gives of.
Dec 1, 2013 8:57 AM

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Am I the only one who likes Nadeko the way she is now, compared to before? She seems more at peace with herself, even if she's a twisted goddess with murderous intent.

And Kaiki is turning out to be more interesting than I took him for during Nise, though even he admits he still can't be trusted.

I too now wonder what Nadeko keeps hidden inside her closet. Something tells me it's gonna be something important.
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Dec 1, 2013 9:06 AM

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Seeing Kaiki in action was marvelous
The continuation of Senjougahara's conversation with Kaiki was full of thoughtful comments
Asking money for the return ticket was hilarious

I didn't expect a cheerful Nadeko at the shrine
Kaiki's mind to asses things and starting a chat were interesting
Dec 1, 2013 9:17 AM

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Another great episode. It's hard to not like Kaiki no matter how many bad things he's done. Easily the best character in the series.

I'm guessing his lover died in an accident. Looking forward to the rest of this arc.

5/5
Dec 1, 2013 9:36 AM

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Kaiki is so bad ass.

Lol at Nadeko going full commando.
Dec 1, 2013 10:30 AM

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Kaiki may be the most honest character in Monogatari! At least he admits he's a big fat liar...
All the other characters are filled with inner conflicts and false appearances, intentional or not. Of course that's what makes this series so darn good!

Is Kaiki a "bad goodguy" or a "good badguy"? Is there a difference?

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Dec 1, 2013 11:27 AM
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Am I the only one who likes Nadeko the way she is now, compared to before? She seems more at peace with herself, even if she's a twisted goddess with murderous intent.


She's really not at peace with herself, she has just lost her mind. She is taking insults as compliments and compliments as insults at this point, not to mention she's gone from being shy and quiet to overbearing and talkative. Going from one extreme to the next isn't being at peace with yourself, it's more like further losing yourself.

Kaiki picked up on this when he told her that she freaked people out and her hair was scary, yet she took it as a compliment. So much so he actually started feeling sorry for her, which seems like an alien concept for someone like him.
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