What is the worth of Black Lagoon?
It is made of excellence and deserves to be on our Enlightenment list.
10.7%
3
It is too unremarkable to be on on either of our lists.
53.6%
15
It is vastly overrated and deserves to be on our Relations list.
14.3%
4
I have not watched this series since a crazy maid is pointing an umbrella at me. . .
21.4%
6
28 votes
| Black Lagoon is now up for vote. Decide if it will plunder the seas of Enlightenment or get harassed by Neo-Nazis in our Relations. RULES: 1. You can only vote for a title if you've finished watching/reading it. You must’ve read or watched at least 60% of the published content for unfinished titles. There might be exceptions for very long finished titles – they are decided on a case by case basis, but usually amount to more than half of the published content. 2. Write your vote at the very top of your comment. 3. Below your vote, give a substantial explanation to back it up. It doesn't have to be lengthy; it just needs to cover the points you want to make. 4. If you have only read/watched the adaption/source material of the respective nominee, please state so in your post. 5. It will take a minimum of 5 votes for either Enlightenment or Relations to make it into any of the lists as an anime (3 votes for manga). If it fails to reach that, it will be deemed Unremarkable. 6. The votes for Enlightenment will have to outnumber the votes for Unremarkable and Relations for it to be included in our list; the same goes for Relations. If it fails to reach that, it will be deemed Unremarkable. 7. Behave yourself. We accept discussions and debate, not flaming and incoherent fanboy/fangirl behavior. 8. The fate of the poll will lie in the hands of the officers if it turns out that there are more first time voters than regulars or the series cannot be gauged by both voting and discussions. This polling process will last 7 days. BEGIN!!!!!!!! |
Ducat_RevelAug 11, 2013 8:06 PM
| Option 2 - This Title Does Not Deserve to Be on Either List - Though, I'm not really sure why I think this, and I don't have anything to back it up. So, I'm going to wait for more people to vote so I can take their opinions and reword them at a later time. |
| Option 2 I like this show. But I can't say it's good. It had its chance, but threw it away. What am I talking about? Its character growth. There was an arc when Rock actually gets to Revy and has her contemplating her prior beliefs. It was wonderful! Powerful! But quickly forgotten in the next episode. Damn you, characterization. . . Seriously, it forsook any depth it had. This show just ends up being another fun shooter action anime. Nothing more. It's something I would watch if I wanted to see chicks wail on each other with an assortment of weapons, but not for any other reason. |
Ducat_RevelAug 4, 2013 9:50 PM
| Option 2 This series is decent for what it tries to be. There lies my problem though, it's just decent. Sure, the series tries to be "dark" and gritty, but it's no better than your typical hollywood blockbuster movie. The characters were very bland save for the interactions between Rock and Revy, which admittedly was my main source of enjoyment from the show. The series also has some really ass-kicking female characters, but that doesn't stop it from being a bit...lame? I mean, it's fine we have strong female leads for a change and all, but save for Revy who ironically hardly received any development, the series treated them as "OMG THEY'RE SO AWESOME!" with hardly any interesting traits. The animation and sound are above-average no doubt, but I feel this series did a bad job at introducing it's themes, which isn't a bad thing considering the type of show it is. I thought the series was an 8.6 or something, but 8.3 is nowhere near enough for me to place a series that's completely honest about what it is in Relations, and I had a bt of a change of heart when I realized that the fans don't try to hype this series for something it's not, hence why I'm voting Option 2 instead of 3. |
sushiisawesomeAug 4, 2013 10:54 PM
| "The more inexperienced you are, the more you want to show off." - Oreki, Hyouka |
| Option 1 It's an action anime and does just that |
It's probably... *puts on sunglasses*... Mushi. |
BlackKing said: Option 1 It's an action anime and does just that I hope you know that such explanation is not enough for your vote to be counted. As Ducat notes in the introductory post for every poll, each vote needs to be backed up by a substantial explanation if it is to be counted. It may be confusing to see other votes not being explained either, but those will be edited later, as their authors said. |
metamorphiusAug 4, 2013 8:41 PM
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| Well it's got some of the best gunfights in anime as well as superb animation and story. Only thing it's missing is some character development but it seems to do well without it. |
| It's probably... *puts on sunglasses*... Mushi. |
| Ughh please don't do this. I don't get the point of saying you will edit later or you reserved the spot, like honestly what's the point?. At least 4 people did the same thing in the E7 poll and didn't ''edit later'' or gave their actual vote. |
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| Hellsing Ultimate has better gunfights than Black Lagoon, but that's not going to be enough to put it in. My point is, there needs to be more explanation than just being a good action series. I suggest you look at some of the previous polls and browse the our Enlightenment camps to get a feel of what we're looking for in an explanation. |
Ducat_Revel said: Hellsing Ultimate has better gunfights than Black Lagoon, but that's not going to be enough to put it in. My point is, there needs to be more explanation than just being a good action. I suggest you look at some of the previous polls and browse the our Enlightenment camps to get a feel of what we're looking for in an explanation. I shall, and them I'm gonna destroy this poll with enlightenment MUAHAHAHAHA! |
| It's probably... *puts on sunglasses*... Mushi. |
| Option 1 Black Lagoon takes a new look on action as it puts the female as the "badass" hero which I admire. The animation quality is exceptionally good and the story is interesting as it takes a look at crime within a mafia collective rather than a group of foolish gangsters. The characters are also very intellectual making it a battle of the minds as well as strength e.g the member's of Hotel Moscow fight as a militia and try to avoid taking casualties rather than facing an enemy head on. Oh and did I mention it's Samuel L Jackson's favourite anime. You wouldn't not trust Samuel L, would you? |
| It's probably... *puts on sunglasses*... Mushi. |
| Well, I certainly wouldn't want to disagree with Samuel L. Jackson... Also, I would read that as an acceptable post, BlackKing. tsudecimo said: Or you know, they're doing if because of the E7 poll, and playing off of the joke there. You know, just maybe.Ughh please don't do this. I don't get the point of saying you will edit later or you reserved the spot, like honestly what's the point?. At least 4 people did the same thing in the E7 poll and didn't ''edit later'' or gave their actual vote. |
ForgoneReality said: Well, I certainly wouldn't want to disagree with Samuel L. Jackson... Also, I would read that as an acceptable post, BlackKing. tsudecimo said: Or you know, they're doing if because of the E7 poll, and playing off of the joke there. You know, just maybe.Ughh please don't do this. I don't get the point of saying you will edit later or you reserved the spot, like honestly what's the point?. At least 4 people did the same thing in the E7 poll and didn't ''edit later'' or gave their actual vote. SUCCESS!!! You've made my dreams come true. |
| It's probably... *puts on sunglasses*... Mushi. |
| I actually agree with Tsudecimo. There's really not a point in reserving a spot. You don't need to have the first remark that our members see, and you have a week to write it. Let's try to not do this in the future because some of you don't actually edit the post, even after our poll has ended. |
| Option 3 Ahh the black lagoon the realistic approach on untouched themes of pirates and underworld combined with the great characters cast.It was the reactions I used to read whenever I saw its reviews or lurked into forums.Guess what its NOT,its simply not. All it was some random group of cardboards placed in a settings we don't see very often.Lets see 1.ROCK-Another idealistic naive fish out of blue water who remains that way all the story(not entirely because he tries to fit in the situation but fitting in situation is not development mind you) and yet remains as the THE BEST CHARACTER OF THE SHOW. 2.The black man-Well he is an anime black man what do you expect more than him.Wait his name is not BOB.Perfect generic. 3.Blonde man-Another one of the cast.He can drive and its his accomplishment in entire anime(I might be wrong) 4.REVY-"Revy one of the awesomest female lead,that how female lead should be.blah blah blah" fanboys screamed. No,its nothing like that.All she does complain about HOW THE WORLD IS SHIT and HOW THE WORLD IS SHIT alongside with jumping and massacring the whole ship cast.USING TOO MUCH vulgar language in every sentence tries to be somewhat diff(not much diff approach from any badass female in 90's ova ex-Riding bean).A poorly written character appealing with guns+chick treat.Her views doesn't change in least nor she tries to.Her views simply remains and doesn't go beyond "world is shit and world is shit".Its simply like writers tries to make a strong female lead and got overboard too much then they decided there should be opponent and ROBERTA appeared.A tank in maid dress,she can run as fast as cars and can even stop them(realistic approach) and no its not enough to defeat Revy completely(power balance worked somehow). Now you can try to refute the points by saying ITS MEAN TO BE OVER THE TOP then again why they try to make social commentary where instead of showing grey they choose to show black and white world(isn't the superiors of company where rock works shown completly as black idealistic morons).This series what it is? 1.A social commentary drama(then its pretty poor one). 2.A over the top action series who someone doesn't take seriously(then why are they putting social drama if not going to handle it well.) GREATLY OVERHYPED BY FANS. |
| Option Two - Unremarkable I really, really enjoyed Black Lagoon. It has everything that makes a mature action anime good, interesting characters, awesome gunfights and one of the best English dubs since Cowboy Bebop. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to see violent fun without the stupidity of something like HoTD or Elfen Lied. Is it enlightening? Hell no. Black Lagoon clearly takes a lot from American action flicks, and plays a lot of silly action cliches completely straight. Revy is a refreshing female lead and it is a LOT of fun to watch her do her shit with guns blazing and all, but she's essentially every 'Dark Action Girl' trope rolled into one. In fact, the whole show is insanely tropetastic, and that's probably half of its appeal. Black Lagoon is an anime where you can switch your brain off, see some gun and explosions and cool shit, and not feel like you've been pandered to. Sometimes, the show gets all philosophical. These parts of Black Lagoon are the weakest ones, in my opinion. Revy's opinions on life are again, cliche for her character archtype and this exposition is usually forgotten again by the end of the episode. Character development does not exist here. Revy doesn't grow or change from gun-toting badass throughout the show, and we disappointingly NEVER find anything about Dutch or Benny's pasts. Still, the combination of action cliches with a unique setting and some intriguing characters is a great one. The art and animation is top-notch and the dub is one of my absolute favourites. No anime has ever used the word 'fuck' as eloquently as this one. So again, if you haven't seen Black Lagoon you should go watch it right now. It won't make you rethink your morals or question anything, but you'll have a hell of a lot of fun. |
| option 2 black lagoon is the only action anime i enjoyed from beginning to end. its dark without being pretentious, funny without being cheesy and over the top without being overly stupid. before i elaborate on my vote, i feel it is necessary to write a bit about the anime itself. black lagoon has an interesting setting and a decent plot. but what i think it excels at doing is creating interesting characters. i concede that benny and dutch are sidelined and even rock and revy could have benefited greatly from a comprehensive backstory. but the dynamics between the latter two are very realistic. also, i think 'character development' is sort of misunderstood in the context of black lagoon. there is very little scope for characters to change given the setting of the show. having said that, im surprised at how they handle rock. he changes very subtly during the course of the show which makes him that much more believable. revy doesn't change all that much, but she doesn't need to. what i would consider character development is giving the protagonists a decent backstory, which has not been done to date. the characters are good, but they could've been much better but despite that, i do not think this show is enlightening thanks to the implausible gunfights and a plot which doesn't do anything mind-blowing. don't get me wrong, the character exploration is very good in some arcs. but on the whole, it fails to provoke thought. |
if you disagree with what i say, feel free to comment on my profile. in all likelihood, i won't come back to this thread. |
| Option 2 Although it is one of my favorite anime and I would recommend it, the first season is not exactly enlightening. The main cast is a bit stereotyped but solid, but only Rock and Revy get more than a quick glance and their subtle development only begins in season 2. The setting is interesting, the support cast is excellent and all arcs rank between above average to very good, but they are not brilliant or a novelty in any way. The same goes for the action sequences: Good execution, not too cheesy, but hardly groundbreaking. All in all Black Lagoon is a very good action anime and delivers everything it promises. But it is not a masterpiece. |
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| It is vastly overrated and deserves to be on our Relations list. (your vote) This anime is basically a non intentional parody of US actions movies. In terms of characters we have Revy who is the hot and powerful female character who is a badass with a gun and shoots in sexy poses and have tattoos and short jeans with a sad background story, then the calm bald black guy with black glasses and oh did I mention that he is badass with a gun?! and then the nerdy looking Jewish guy who is peaceful and only handles computer related stuff. The show became pretentious whenever it touched anything philosophical. In terms of the story It follows the same action logic US action movies has, the enemies shoot a million bullets but they never hit them or scratch them but the they only win with two guns. There is not much of coherent plot to speak off nor any noticeable character development maybe Rock but it only happened in a couple of episodes then he stuck to being a static character for the rest of the series. I didn't find the most of the characters interesting, most of them were not giving any kind of focus, you don't know anything about them ( their backstory, their motives, their desires, etc) nothing. Revy is a terrible character imo and horribly written, she is like a walking stereotype, the way she speaks, the way she dress, the way she shoots her gun. Which in itself is not a bad thing but she is devoid of any kind of real personality she can be summed up in one accurate sentence '' tits & guns'' basically she is only there to look ''badass and hot''. She didn't have any kind of development, her views on the word doesn't change, it's mostly black and white point of view. I don't understand why they didn't give focus on her background story, that would have made her more believable and would have added some depth to her shallow character but it was briefly mentioned in a form of a quick flashback. The only decent character in the show is Balalaika, now that's what I can call a strong female character, she made watching this anime tolerable. Her personality is fairly interesting and powerful, her cynical view of the world is compelling, the way her men and everyone respect for who she is and what she accomplished is admirable. She respect Rock but she will kill him like it is nothing if he ever even remotely opposes her or cross her. I liked her background story, what little they did show anyway. Unfortunately she did not save the show for me. People say that Rock and Revy interactions were enjoyable and decent but I disagree. I don't get why she likes him in the first place and I don't get this romance tease in the first place, like seriously she kills people like it's nothing but she gets shy when it comes to some wimpy guy. It's basically an action flick in anime version but it's overhyped by the fans, I have yet to meet a fan explaining why this anime is good, their answers ( lots of action, Revy is badass, it's dark, English dub (?), Revy is hot ) . |
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| Option 2: does not deserve to be on either of our relations lists. You see, I have to say, being a fan of shoot-em-ups and just crazy violent movies I really enjoyed this series, but you can't gauge something on pure enjoyment. For what it's worth, the series does a good job of holding your attention, using a cast of intriguing characters and a plot that's interesting enough. It does what it was trying to do fairly well, but that's about it, nothing that could inspire or enlighten anyone. In short, not a bad anime, but nothing to write home about. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
| Voted for Option 2 I liked Black Lagoon for what it was trying to do. It obviously takes a lot from Western action films, and they do really well with what they do with certain arcs and the action scenes are pretty exciting to watch. Though if you're really looking for something deeper than just guns and explosions, I think you're better off watching something else. Don't get me wrong; it's an enjoyable action series and you should totally check it out. However, as far as it being enlightening, not really. I like Revy as a character and it's interesting to watch her react to everything that's going on around her. But honestly, there really is no in-depth backstory (the others don't even get one), save for the typical fare you would expect for a female action lead like her. When people say people like her mainly because she's a badass female lead, I don't disagree. But idk, I think I like her more than I should. Or I'm just biased. :P I also do like Roberta though. It's also one of the few anime where I actually ended up watching it in the English dub. It's pretty good with the script and hired voice actors that nailed their parts adequately, IMO. |
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| This is a tough one: I am torn between options 1 and 2. I strongly lead to the latter one, though. |
| Jojolion anime when? |
tsudecimo said: It is vastly overrated and deserves to be on our Relations list. (your vote) People say that Rock and Revy interactions were enjoyable and decent but I disagree. I don't get why she likes him in the first place and I don't get this romance tease in the first place, like seriously she kills people like it's nothing but she gets shy when it comes to some wimpy guy. revy doesn't view rock as a comrade from the beginning, it is only after the neo-nazi arc that the chemistry between them improves. |
| if you disagree with what i say, feel free to comment on my profile. in all likelihood, i won't come back to this thread. |
RyugaHellsing said: tsudecimo said: It is vastly overrated and deserves to be on our Relations list. (your vote) People say that Rock and Revy interactions were enjoyable and decent but I disagree. I don't get why she likes him in the first place and I don't get this romance tease in the first place, like seriously she kills people like it's nothing but she gets shy when it comes to some wimpy guy. revy doesn't view rock as a comrade from the beginning, it is only after the neo-nazi arc that the chemistry between them improves. And? I don't get how is this relevant to what I said. I'm talking about their interactions from that arc and forward. |
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DrGonzo7 said: Option 1 I posted a review of this show a couple of days ago that posts my thoughts on this show. I'm open for discussion though! This doesn't count as a vote because it seems too much like a plug-in to get us to read your review. As ask that you write a semi short and concise opinion as to why it does not belong on our Enlightenment list. PLEASE read the club rules as well. |
| @Amber I've debated about this too. I did read his review and it does take a stand in it. Maybe he could just paste his review here? Instead of linking us to it. |
| With 2 votes for Enlightenment, 8 votes for Unremarkable, and 2 votes for Relations, I draw this poll to a close. Thank you for voting. Note: I couldn't count DrGonzo7's vote. Next time reviews should be pasted in the thread instead of linked. Also, didn't count Blowfish and Saeko's votes as they didn't revise their comment. |
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