| With the release of the guidelines, the need has arisen to more clearly define the rules for currently airing series. In this thread, I would like to pose my opinion of how the guidelines for these series should be restructured. The situation: This discussion will focus on reviews of TV series 1-2 cours/seasons in length because this is the source of many of our review issues. We currently have three camps of review writers/readers on MAL:
What is the problem with early episode reviews? Why can't writers just wait until the series is finished before writing reviews? Then the best compromise is allowing reviews after X episodes, right? Why don't you just code in a preview section to the site? Speaking of coding, what about restricting reviews until X episodes? So, back to the guidelines: what solution do you propose? First, let's give a summary of the facts we've discussed so far:
Thus, I would like to propose that: a. X be chosen as the minimal episode count seen to accurately recommend season viewers anime series:
b. previews will be removed after the series has completed airing, unless:
In the case of previews which are removed, users will be PM'd their review asking them to submit a full review if they are so inclined. Please note that this will occur after the review has been removed. The review guidelines state that reviews should be posted in their final form: you should not be editing your 5/12 episode review to post a complete review, carrying over votes from an entirely different review text. Actual guidelines: At present, I think this is the best compromise for all parties while still retaining credibility of the review feature for anime pages once the season has finished airing. For the next 5 weeks - the remainder of the current anime season - we are interested in feedback from the community on this proposed solution. A note on behaviour: Any baiting, drama-inciting or off-topic posts that do not adhere to the Site & Forum Guidelines will be treated accordingly and removed. Furthermore, please refrain from posting long-winded arguments only for the purpose of restating your own opinion. While discussions are welcome, please remember that you have your chance to say your piece as rightfully as other users have a chance to say theirs. Thank you for reading this entire post before replying. |
| Why not just allow p/reviews at the episode count in which the user's score would be calculated into the series' average, which is 1/5 (or with a 5.2 divisor)? That means 3/12-13, 5/24-26, 10/50, etc. I would also say this should be the minimum that a review stays in which the reviewer dropped the series, especially for 50+ series. And what about series that go for a while without a confirmed length? |
Redfoxoffire said: Why not just allow p/reviews at the episode count in which the user's score would be calculated into the series' average, which is 1/5 (or with a 5.2 divisor)? That means 3/12-13, 5/24-26, 10/50, etc. I would also say this should be the minimum that a review stays in which the reviewer dropped the series, especially for 50+ series. And what about series that go for a while without a confirmed length? I like the idea of using a divisor depending on the episode count. For series that run on for a long time without an actual "confirmed length" ideally would be after 10-12 episodes. Generally a T.V series average length is announced and when one's not announced it's usually an ongoing series. I also agree with the 50+ series, where a minimum of watched episodes was seen before actually doing a review, though, this can easily be bypassed by just typing in the episode straight from 1 -> [Minimum # to review.] |
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| The numbers you gave using a 1/5 divisor are almost identical to the numbers I gave "ball-parking" around 25%. My logic is you need to wait a slight bit longer to review a shorter series than you do a longer series (since it's less time in overall). Redfoxoffire said: We have minimized the number of episodes a user needs to see to write a review to allow for the previews that some of the community is desiring. While this may be enough to review an episodic slice of life show that has been dropped, it's not really enough to review a plot-driven show takes time to build up. Setting half-way for dropped series upon the series' completion makes these dropped reviews more useful.I would also say this should be the minimum that a review stays in which the reviewer dropped the series, especially for 50+ series. Redfoxoffire said: We rarely do not know a series' estimated length by the 3rd-6th episode, unless it's a long running series or obscure (that no one will review anyway).And what about series that go for a while without a confirmed length? It has now been four weeks of the five that I said this thread would remain open. Are these all the opinions the community has on this? |
| I think I posted this in the other thread but basically, I agree with most points in this thread. There also needs to be an implement more staff members very soon to be added for this situation too as I think the work to deal with all of this could be a hassle. |
Stark700Jun 26, 2013 11:52 AM
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| So kinda curious but when are some of the reviews going to be removed soon according to the new guidelines? Most of the series from Spring Lineup are finishing airing or will be finishing in the next few days. I haven't seen any changes yet and according to the guidelines, a few more them deserves a removal imo. |
Stark700Jun 28, 2013 11:58 AM
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| I personally see no problem with previews after 1 or 2 episodes and would therefore strongly vote for b) because they only get annoying when more episodes are already out or the series has finished and they aren't updated. of course I also dislike it when 1 or 2 episodes are reviewed and the reviewer pretends to already know everything there is to know about the series, but that's something one can easily read between the lines and just ignore those previews. When a new season starts there are always a couple of series where I'm unsure as to if I want to watch them or not and I'd rather be able to decide that within the first 2-3 weeks than after 25% of the series has aired already, though admittedly for 12 episode series it doesn't make much of a difference when 25% IS 3 episodes. But still I am of the opinion that in many cases the impression after 1-2 episodes can already tell me the level of enjoyment I can expect from a series, especially in genres that are not plot-orientated, like for example comedy/slice-of-life. That is my experience at least. So I would find it regretable for previews in that range to completely disappear. As long as they don't stay unfinished forever (or get removed if they do) I'd like to keep them. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Previews can always be written in the discussion forums, people seem to forget that exists or something. I don't see why there is even the question of letting people write 1 episode reviews. So I think it is fine the way it is now, which is option a. I really don't think it is feasible for previews to be made and then removed later on, seeing as there is a lot of work for the mods to do already (some reported reviews not being removed and such). Also, this is just a guess, but aren't anime with fewer number of episodes far more abundant than those with 50 - 3 digit episodes? I don't think its a good idea to have the 25% idea just because we have a few long running anime. |
Kuradachi said: Previews can always be written in the discussion forums, people seem to forget that exists or something. I don't see why there is even the question of letting people write 1 episode reviews. The episode discussion threads especially of ongoing series are the deepest pits of Hell on MAL, I'd absolutely hate to get involved in the shitstorms there (that would only increse if previews were limited to that area) just to get some first impressions at the beginning of a new season. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| This suggestion topic is now CLOSED. I will leave it unlocked for the time being, but I will be modifying the review guidelines as proposed in my first post. Thank you to the few that did provide some kind of feedback. paean said: I hope you are correct. It would have been nice if people who agreed with the suggestion (even if they had nothing to add) had posted with this as well. But I am aware that this usually does not happen.I don't think the lack of responses points to a lack of interest, it's just that you more or less covered the full range of the topic with your post. paean said: This was addressed in the "Actual Guidelines" spoiler tag:How about manga? Since those don't usually have a set finish date from the start. |
KinetaJul 3, 2013 3:09 AM
Kineta said: Well then let me say, I agree. I actually saw this the day that it was made, but felt I couldn't contribute anything different since you had covered everything. So I decided to leave it to the people more interested in a discussion, which surprisingly weren't that many.paean said: I hope you are correct. It would have been nice if people who agreed with the suggestion (even if they had nothing to add) had posted with this as well. But I am aware that this usually does not happen.I don't think the lack of responses points to a lack of interest, it's just that you more or less covered the full range of the topic with your post. |
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Nyron said: "Upon a series completion, please re-submit rather than edit the episode count. Editing gives on an unfair edge over users who wait before submitting a complete review." Glad I saw this. Now I have to either wait to post my ERASED review or just choose to post and resubmit upon completion. If this happened to you, I expect the current first few previews for ERASED to be removed upon completion. I'm kind of glad this rule exists, because it is a disadvantage for reviewers who actually wait til a series is finished. |
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Nerd_Zone1 said: I understand your policy, but anime that 52+ episode u have to wait for 10ep before doing a review has many problems. I do understand after 4 episode because the set up should be finished by then or a mini-arc is done for another one. But no avid anime casual watch the show if the first 4 episodes don't peak their interest or excit them because those first 4ep sets the tone and establishes the character personality. I always believed u should judge it from the first episode because they set up what kind of tone an anime wants example attack on titan, One Piece, One Punch, Rainbow, Paraycte, naruto and many others. Don't judge the anime as a whole but it suppose to peak your interest that boruto completely lacked so I made a review of the first episode because its stated many times this is for the new generation people who haven't watched naruto, ( I have but what they say is complete bullshit) I know people gonna watch it heck i still am but it was a bad episode with uninteresting characters from boruto first introduction not counting movie does nothing make me interested in the character but just that he's naruto's son. I also don't know what is the point of reviewing a show that is not finished... You can't find a game review like that. You can't find a movie review like that. What is the point of reviewing something if that said anime didn't offer everything it can. |
| Since they now allow to filter out such early reviews I don't see a problem with removing the episode requirement completely (1 episode or 0 episode ... if you dropped at the first half of 1st episode and don't want to add it to your list) should be enough. |
| Hi, I co-wrote a review on Fruits Basket: The Final after watching episode 4. I assumed from this tweet that it would only be 13 episodes but I didn't realize it got retracted: https://twitter.com/air_news01/status/1137370279187963909?s=21 However, when the review was posted, it was not a first impression-type of review but an accusation/observation of the problems of the 1st 4 episodes. Since I don't know how many episodes the series will have, should I delete the review and repost at another time? https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=394546 |
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IshigamiCrisis said: No clue if anyone will answer. No mod or admin has said anything for nearly 8 years lmao. I will be the first to say something.Hi, I co-wrote a review on Fruits Basket: The Final after watching episode 4. I assumed from this tweet that it would only be 13 episodes but I didn't realize it got retracted: https://twitter.com/air_news01/status/1137370279187963909?s=21 However, when the review was posted, it was not a first impression-type of review but an accusation/observation of the problems of the 1st 4 episodes. Since I don't know how many episodes the series will have, should I delete the review and repost at another time? https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=394546 I would imagine you are completely fine because FB Final Season is predicted to have 13 episodes. Most sources borderline confirm this anyway. Have a look at https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1919811 if you are interested. With >it was not a first impression-type of review but an accusation/observation of the problems of the 1st 4 episodes I think it is an up to you situation of what you think would best be suitable for a review of that type. I don't think this related to the initial question you asked, but it is something I thought to address if you wanted that into consideration. I am no expert tho so I could have made a mistake in what I have said. ---- I came here to just address some manga reviews. It looks as if some X% case may be needed but that seems hard to do considering that manga can go on with different chapter counts and all kinda stuff. The case-by-case basis seems to be a low priority here lmao as these will show you what I mean: https://myanimelist.net/manga/135545/Ao_no_Hako/reviews https://myanimelist.net/manga/135801/Ame_no_Furu/reviews https://myanimelist.net/manga/135496/Dandadan/reviews https://myanimelist.net/manga/131403/Choujin_X/reviews I personally don't mind a good preview, but if most are based on 1st chapter thoughts then idk what to do in that case. They are also quite popular with people getting a good number of votes. It seems like a new community thing to look into, hell, I might get into this myself. But everything is a little unclear here because the rules are based on subjective thoughts of mods and predictions that may not hold water. But I have no power in this case and I thought I'd just say something if anyone with power will care. |
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