Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic Episode 25 Discussion

Mar 31, 2013 8:33 AM

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AnimageNeby said:
Man...you guys can exaggerate. Ok, the anime is not as good as the manga, granted. Ok, they deviated here and there from the manga.

But all in all, the series wasn't that bad, certainly compared to other shounen.

Could it have been better? Probably. For instance, in the end, I thought they made the fights a bit too rushed. And other things throughout the series could have been done a bit better too. But one must realise one says that in comparison to the manga. If there was no manga at all, I think most would simply cheer and rave about how great this anime is.

Point being: when you compare it with the original manga, there are things that you feel could have been done better, true. But if you regard the anime 'as such', one still has to acknowledge it's one of the better shounen of the season.

It's not a 'bad' anime, thus. It's just that, compared to the manga, it's not perfectly adapted. some people seem to not make that distinction.

Which would work just fine it it were a standalone production. But it's not. It's supposed to be an adaption of the manga Magi and is normally obligated to follow it. Little bits of filler here and there won't hurt anybody, of course, but taking entire arcs and alter them to a degree that's disgraceful to the original work, is wrong and something I and many others can't approve of.

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Mar 31, 2013 9:25 AM

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I liked the ending to the first season and even if the adaption was different than the manga at some points it was still an enjoyable watch to me.

So 8/10 for the first season. At least A1 is not going to pull a Kuroshitsuji II on us with original new main characters. xD

"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD"

Mar 31, 2013 12:12 PM

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GuiltyKing said:
It's supposed to be an adaption of the manga Magi and is normally obligated to follow it. Little bits of filler here and there won't hurt anybody, of course, but taking entire arcs and alter them to a degree that's disgraceful to the original work, is wrong and something I and many others can't approve of.

Adaptations aren't obligated to follow the original work. I've seen adaptations that have made numerous changes to the source material and have turned out even better than the original work because of the liberties taken. On the other hand, there are plenty of adaptations that end up being terrible after heavily altering the original story, but I don't believe that there's some sort of obligation to completely follow the original, especially across different mediums. After reading part of the manga, I do see some of the frustrations with the changes made, but that's just the show's own downfall.

Mar 31, 2013 1:08 PM

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GuiltyKing said:

AnimageNeby said:
Man...you guys can exaggerate. Ok, the anime is not as good as the manga, granted. Ok, they deviated here and there from the manga.

But all in all, the series wasn't that bad, certainly compared to other shounen.

Could it have been better? Probably. For instance, in the end, I thought they made the fights a bit too rushed. And other things throughout the series could have been done a bit better too. But one must realise one says that in comparison to the manga. If there was no manga at all, I think most would simply cheer and rave about how great this anime is.

Point being: when you compare it with the original manga, there are things that you feel could have been done better, true. But if you regard the anime 'as such', one still has to acknowledge it's one of the better shounen of the season.

It's not a 'bad' anime, thus. It's just that, compared to the manga, it's not perfectly adapted. some people seem to not make that distinction.

Which would work just fine it it were a standalone production. But it's not. It's supposed to be an adaption of the manga Magi and is normally obligated to follow it. Little bits of filler here and there won't hurt anybody, of course, but taking entire arcs and alter them to a degree that's disgraceful to the original work, is wrong and something I and many others can't approve of.

No adaptation is perfect. It's a medium of its own, and sometimes, corners must be cut for the simple reason that it has to fit in a 12 or 24-26 episodes-format. Now, I'm not saying that I don't understand your concern: the further an adaptation deviates from the manga, the worse it usually gets. I'm not really thrilled with all and every deviations they did neither, but one has to be able to have some relativism: all in all, they didn't really break the story. Most of them were relatively trivial, in fact, while a few were really bad choices, true.

But in the end, one also has to acknowledge the anime is still pretty good, as an anime. In fact, as a shounen, it's one of the better of the season, even *with* all the changes.

One could lament the fact it could have been even better, ok. But it's still a pretty good anime. At the very least, it's good enough to make people (like me) go read the manga. :-) In fact, one can see it by reading the appraisal of the anime by people who have NOT read the manga: they all think it's a very good shounen anime. So objectively, the anime isn't that bad.

I'm actually looking forward to see the second season with magnostatt. As most, I'm hoping they will stay a bit closer to the original this time, but it will give a good watch regardless.

Now, mind you: I'm not saying I don't understand the complaints, let me repeat this. It just that I think some let their viewpoint be coloured too much by the (comparison with) the manga, and make the conclusion that the anime is bad. Well, it's not bad compared to most other anime out there, it's only less good compared to the original manga. So I agree it would be great if the studio would do better its best to stay faithful to the manga - few will deny that - but one can't exaggerate and claim the anime sucks (as an anime).

Mar 31, 2013 2:12 PM

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AnimageNeby said:

GuiltyKing said:

AnimageNeby said:
Man...you guys can exaggerate. Ok, the anime is not as good as the manga, granted. Ok, they deviated here and there from the manga.

But all in all, the series wasn't that bad, certainly compared to other shounen.

Could it have been better? Probably. For instance, in the end, I thought they made the fights a bit too rushed. And other things throughout the series could have been done a bit better too. But one must realise one says that in comparison to the manga. If there was no manga at all, I think most would simply cheer and rave about how great this anime is.

Point being: when you compare it with the original manga, there are things that you feel could have been done better, true. But if you regard the anime 'as such', one still has to acknowledge it's one of the better shounen of the season.

It's not a 'bad' anime, thus. It's just that, compared to the manga, it's not perfectly adapted. some people seem to not make that distinction.

Which would work just fine it it were a standalone production. But it's not. It's supposed to be an adaption of the manga Magi and is normally obligated to follow it. Little bits of filler here and there won't hurt anybody, of course, but taking entire arcs and alter them to a degree that's disgraceful to the original work, is wrong and something I and many others can't approve of.

No adaptation is perfect. It's a medium of its own, and sometimes, corners must be cut for the simple reason that it has to fit in a 12 or 24-26 episodes-format. Now, I'm not saying that I don't understand your concern: the further an adaptation deviates from the manga, the worse it usually gets. I'm not really thrilled with all and every deviations they did neither, but one has to be able to have some relativism: all in all, they didn't really break the story. Most of them were relatively trivial, in fact, while a few were really bad choices, true.

But in the end, one also has to acknowledge the anime is still pretty good, as an anime. In fact, as a shounen, it's one of the better of the season, even *with* all the changes.

One could lament the fact it could have been even better, ok. But it's still a pretty good anime. At the very least, it's good enough to make people (like me) go read the manga. :-) In fact, one can see it by reading the appraisal of the anime by people who have NOT read the manga: they all think it's a very good shounen anime. So objectively, the anime isn't that bad.

I'm actually looking forward to see the second season with magnostatt. As most, I'm hoping they will stay a bit closer to the original this time, but it will give a good watch regardless.

Now, mind you: I'm not saying I don't understand the complaints, let me repeat this. It just that I think some let their viewpoint be coloured too much by the (comparison with) the manga, and make the conclusion that the anime is bad. Well, it's not bad compared to most other anime out there, it's only less good compared to the original manga. So I agree it would be great if the studio would do better its best to stay faithful to the manga - few will deny that - but one can't exaggerate and claim the anime sucks (as an anime).

Seeing that you've completely understood what I tried to convey, I see no need to prolong this discussion, or given your polite tone, let's call it conversation instead. But a few last words from my side to clear up any misunderstandings.
It's not like I despise the anime as a whole. To tell the truth, it was the reason I picked up the manga back in October and basically devoured it. The anime stayed true to the story most of the time (mainly during the first part) and it seemed like it could end on a positive note, leading into a cliffhanger suited for a continuation later on. Sadly, that aspect went down the drain fairly quickly and the disappointment it caused for the manga readers, was just too big for us not to voice our discontent hence the anime vs manga 'fights' that ensued. My reason behind all these posts is to let people know what really took place and what was purely made up by the animation studio. I love that manga and want others to share the experience. Ootaka is a talented author and deserves all the praise Magi is getting.

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Mar 31, 2013 3:34 PM

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Sinbad being all badass made the episode for me ^-^
The announcement of a second season was a pleasant surprise, given A-1 slows down this time.

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Mar 31, 2013 5:59 PM

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This ep was ok (3/5).

It was getting worse every episode, but I gave a 9 for Magi.
The scenes with Kassim are always beautiful with a lot of rukh. *-*

Mar 31, 2013 6:05 PM

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I liked the episode but knowing that there will be a second season made me love it!

Never read the manga, so don't know what's different or not.

Mar 31, 2013 6:33 PM

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I'm a manga reader but do i think this adaptation is that bad? No. It's actually pretty good and this anime pretty much introduced me to Magi. Many anime viewers also seems to enjoy the adaptation very much.

I just hope that the second season would follow the manga closer. I did go "wtf" to alibaba's transformation.

Mar 31, 2013 6:58 PM

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It took a massive nosedive from episode 17 onward. Before that I actually watched it and didn't think it was terrible. That changed when they ruined or left out some of my favourite parts though.

Mar 31, 2013 7:45 PM

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i dont like the ending but im happy to see yunan and schehezerade(so cute :D).. they also spoil mogamet, ren brothers and hakuryuu's mom.. it would be great if they just follow the manga..
6/10
-1 from animation
-1 from weird BGM
-1 from character messed up
-1 from plot change

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Mar 31, 2013 10:57 PM

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6 or 7? I guess 6.

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Mar 31, 2013 11:39 PM

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To compress over 100 manga chapters in a 25 episode anime is not such a good idea from the get-go. However, even with the cuts that were being made, the anime kept the essential story line. I would had liked too see more of certain characters like Dunya, for example, since her entire background story was shrunk to minimum, you can't really emphatize with a character if you are given just a little information.
I liked the fact that they incorporated Sinbad in the last episode, showing how he was already cursed. The way Hakuryuu lost his arm wasn't the same as in the manga, but somehow it worked out. The addition of Alibaba "cursing his fate" was really unnecessary, it showed just how rushed and clumsy was the staff at the end. I think they compressed the anime so much and left out many scenes from the manga because of budget constraints, if that were the case, they warped it up pretty well.
In conclusion, I like the manga better, the first 17 episodes of the anime were really well made, but unfortunately, after that, they rushed it too much, leaving the viewer in a state of perplexity.

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Mar 31, 2013 11:44 PM

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How many chapters adapted?

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Mar 31, 2013 11:54 PM

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About 116 chapters, the 117th chapter "The Premonition of a New Journey" shows how Alladin decides to embark on a journey to Magnoshtadt, a city where magicians reside, in order to learn more magic and to investigate the Academy of Magnoshtadt, I hope that helps ^^

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Apr 1, 2013 12:13 AM

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as a manga reader i can't really say i like this adaption 7/10.

Apr 1, 2013 12:19 AM

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Never read the manga. Also think sometimes I am watching the anime more on inertia. However, I think this episode is pretty good as it is. Cover a lot of things, wrap things up neatly and still has enough space for some talks between the two sides as well as a bunch of pointers about characters to come. Sakuga is pretty good too.

On another note, this episode must be the one with the most fan service - Morgiana, Pimon, Yamuraiha....

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Apr 1, 2013 12:36 AM

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Well idk how there going to do season 2 since the end of the first season went way out of bounds.Though they super condensed season one it still seemed generally the same in the manga a few differences none to major. The main points still got across it seemed though the end of season one was just bad. also if anyone can tell me the main differences between the manga and the anime i would appreciate it. Since i can't see any major ones except for the obvious original ending (the zagan arc as a whole). also why do people say the fights are rushed they fights in the manga don't even last that long and seem generally the same.

ninja_dogApr 1, 2013 12:42 AM

Apr 1, 2013 5:27 AM

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NO! Why Magnostadt? That's the last hope for me to not be butchered. Please don't screw that one!

Apr 1, 2013 9:31 PM

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I think that was a great episode, although the fight scene was too short imo.

Apr 1, 2013 10:28 PM

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Loved that Alibaba and Morgiana moment!! KYAAAAAAAA~!!!!!!!

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Apr 1, 2013 10:51 PM

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This episode was pretty lame.

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Apr 1, 2013 11:11 PM

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Glad I decided to pick up the manga early on. I will say this the show was doing great till it took it's own path. It should of just continued animating the original story and just stopped till the next season instead of having a big finale of sorts.

My biggest issue is what they did with Alibaba's character. They took him to places he would have never gone in the manga. Changes his character too much.

Anyway before it decided to do it's own thing it was getting an 8 from me. I give it a 7 and I'll still check out the second season, I don't have high hopes though.

Edit:

Also with Cassim and being in Alibaba in relation to the manga what what they will do next season.

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Apr 1, 2013 11:12 PM

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GuiltyKing said:
Whatever they do to redeem Alibaba, it's not faithful to the source material much less its world's mechanics. Once one falls into depravity, they are bound to die soon after.

I read your comment before I watched the episode, so I tried to see what they did to resolve it. I think it was because part of Cassim was part of Alibaba, and he helped Alibaba not fall completely into depravity, if I'm not wrong. I think it's a little of stretch to make it so that it does work with the world of Magi, but meh, it works...I guess. (Yes I would've also liked it better if this hadn't even happen to Alibaba in the first place but oh well)

Also, I was pretty sure Dunya should've died after getting stabbed like that in the last episode :/ Maybe it wasn't as serious of a stab as I thought it was? o_O At least her not dying goes along with the manga.

It was a nice and peaceful ending, a pretty good way to lead to the next season. The anime by itself was good as well, for the most part, even if I am a huge manga fan of Magi. Aside from the fact that it wasn't fully faithful to the manga, the only problems I had with the anime is some of its lazy animation and rushed pacing at certain parts. And also, that one episode with horrible bgm. But plot wise, it was still good, I wouldn't say great, but it wasn't horrible either. Hopefully the second season will be more faithful to the manga.

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My biggest issue is what they did with Alibaba's character. They took him to places he would have never gone in the manga. Changes his character too much.

Oh yeah, that too. I thought Alibaba was ooc in the last episode. It kind of made him seem weak and not as levelheaded as he really is. If they were going to make it so that Alibaba redeems himself by not wanting to kill that masked guy, they should have just not make Alibaba fall into depravity in the first place. It was too fast of a change. In less than ~15 minutes, he went from being vulnerable to the black rukh and cursing his fate, into his normal understanding self.

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Apr 1, 2013 11:31 PM

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A second season for Mage?!!! Now I'm satisfied. So many new characters introduced in the latter part of the episode. Can't wait to see what's in store for us next season.

Dang, the Kou princess is strong and cool! I'm liking her even more. And Morg and Alibaba moment was so <3. I know this anime doesn't focus on romance but I happy to see bits and pieces of romance in it. Sinbad is badass awesome!!

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Apr 2, 2013 12:01 AM

#46

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This show was good up until the middle of the Balbadd arc imo, from there onwards it dropped in quality due to its use of bad cliches and being awfully predictable. Despite this, Magi was quite the guilty pleasure and I might end up reading the manga in the near future to see it in better light.

Apr 2, 2013 12:06 AM

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tingy said:

Also, I was pretty sure Dunya should've died after getting stabbed like that in the last episode :/ Maybe it wasn't as serious of a stab as I thought it was? o_O At least her not dying goes along with the manga.

It was a nice and peaceful ending, a pretty good way to lead to the next season. The anime by itself was good as well, for the most part, even if I am a huge manga fan of Magi. Aside from the fact that it wasn't fully faithful to the manga, the only problems I had with the anime is some of its lazy animation and rushed pacing at certain parts. And also, that one episode with horrible bgm. But plot wise, it was still good, I wouldn't say great, but it wasn't horrible either. Hopefully the second season will be more faithful to the manga.

Oh yeah, that too. I thought Alibaba was ooc in the last episode. It kind of made him seem weak and not as levelheaded as he really is. If they were going to make it so that Alibaba redeems himself by not wanting to kill that masked guy, they should have just not make Alibaba fall into depravity in the first place. It was too fast of a change. In less than ~15 minutes, he went from being vulnerable to the black rukh and cursing his fate, into his normal understanding self.

Well, Zagan grew a wooden arm for Hakuryu, and that was almost on a whim. Considering Zagan is supposed to be a djinn that specializes in life magic, hence their motive for the dungeon capture in the first place, I wouldn't consider that too much of an inconsistency as far as Dunya surviving.

I haven't read the manga, and I still didn't feel like the anime as a whole was paced very well. In the beginning it went along fairly well, but the random timeskips and abrupt changes in character were scattered throughout, and those are definitely not positive qualities for a standard linear plot. It's certainly not as bad as a lot of shounen, as pointed out, but that's not saying much.

Apr 2, 2013 12:16 AM

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technozombie said:

tingy said:

Also, I was pretty sure Dunya should've died after getting stabbed like that in the last episode :/ Maybe it wasn't as serious of a stab as I thought it was? o_O At least her not dying goes along with the manga.

It was a nice and peaceful ending, a pretty good way to lead to the next season. The anime by itself was good as well, for the most part, even if I am a huge manga fan of Magi. Aside from the fact that it wasn't fully faithful to the manga, the only problems I had with the anime is some of its lazy animation and rushed pacing at certain parts. And also, that one episode with horrible bgm. But plot wise, it was still good, I wouldn't say great, but it wasn't horrible either. Hopefully the second season will be more faithful to the manga.

Well, Zagan grew a wooden arm for Hakuryu, and that was almost on a whim. Considering Zagan is supposed to be a djinn that specializes in life magic, hence their motive for the dungeon capture in the first place, I wouldn't consider that too much of an inconsistency as far as Dunya surviving.

I haven't read the manga, and I still didn't feel like the anime as a whole was paced very well. In the beginning it went along fairly well, but the random timeskips and abrupt changes in character were scattered throughout, and those are definitely not positive qualities for a standard linear plot. It's certainly not as bad as a lot of shounen, as pointed out, but that's not saying much.

Yeah I know, I was just a little skeptical because I thought she had died XD There's plenty of anime where characters look like they were mortally wounded but somehow were still alive...

Oh really? I haven't seen many (or any) non-manga watcher of the anime that has felt the same way as you, or maybe they aren't as vocal about it. Or I could have just missed those comments. I think everyone can agree that Magi had some problems with pacing, which I hope will be fixed with the next season. Hopefully they change the scriptwriter...

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Apr 2, 2013 12:39 AM

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This finale wasn't bad at all. At least it was a satisfying finale compared to many other finales that I've seen these past 2 weeks.

I liked how we got to see everyone back together again - including Morgiana, YAY! Morgiana and Hakuryuu to free Alibaba was a treat, but I wondered why Aladdin didn't do anything other than Solomon's Wisdom and how the fuck did Hakuryuu get that djiin in the first place? Yamuraiha having her ornaments and her top blown away was a treat. LOL

Can't wait for season 2. 6/10

Apr 2, 2013 1:13 AM

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I think the combination of Zagan's powers and the influence of the light rukh fluttering around the place can provide enough rationale for Dunya remaining alive (although still seriously injured by all appearances). Since her "death" was a big complaint regarding lack of fidelity to the manga, that may resolve some potential plot holes. I will add the manga on my "to read" list as a result of watching this season and I'll watch in the fall and those are both indications that this had some entertainment value despite some of the problems with pacing. 8/10 which will end up being below the mean MAL rating for this show.

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Apr 2, 2013 1:22 AM

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The episode was ok as well as the whole series. The best part was the brief history of Solomon and the Djinns were previously humans from the other world, I completely forgot about that and it connects to what's going on in the manga right now.

A second season of Magi is welcomed even though this one wasn't perfect but still enjoyable and allowed me to find an amazing series.

Apr 2, 2013 1:59 AM

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was a okay finale felt like i seen the ending of this arc before in the other ones though lol

as a anime only viewer i liked magi but it did start to go down hill at some point but that was mainly because of A-1

time to read the manga so that i can rage when S2 comes out fall,...however if it was madhouse that picked it up that's a different story (HXH) became one of my favorite Shounens

8/10

Apr 2, 2013 2:34 AM

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I'll pretend I didn't read the manga

It was a good episode. We get to see the Kou princess and Sinbad's djinn equips. Though I am rather displeased that we didn't get see the transformation for the princess.

Anyway, Sinbad being halfway falling into depravity is sure to raise an eyebrow. Wonder what happened to him.

It seems part of Kassim is inside Alibaba, no homo. It show him leaving but I also saw a tiny bit of his rukh seems to be entering Alibaba's earring.

The scene at the end was a nice addition. Showing the characters for the second seasons. Ishida for Yunan is a really great choice.

Even though they messed up the adaption at the near end, I hope they will make the second season more than enough to make up for it.

Apr 2, 2013 3:15 AM

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By the way, the first people who subbed the last episode is a group named "Oni"...never heard about them before, but it's a good sub.
I am also an Anime only viewer. I understand when people read the Manga they have a lot of expectations and if they even change the story it can be annoying.
But for me it was just a very nice Anime. Like I said, I don't know the Manga, but without any knowledge from it I can just say, it was "very good". I also thought it was a nice finale.
Will definately watch the next season.
8/10

Apr 2, 2013 4:28 AM

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I sense some bromance.

Apr 2, 2013 4:34 AM

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I don't see how any of the changes from the manga were that immense or pivotal. I think its just usual manga purists being ornery as usual. You see them in every anime thread complaining so and so was better in the manga. I am anime only watcher. Have tried countless times to read manga, but it always just looks like a flat undetailed picture with a bunch of lines that are suppose to be action. I might be able to trudge through by borrowing visuals and voices from the anime, but in the end its a hopeless cause for me. Maybe manga readers have a lot of imagination and are just getting mad when the anime doesn't fit their exact mold, which is completely different from person to person. Also, a good example of not following the manga closely being a good thing, is Fullmetal Alchemist. The old one with original motives and endings was completely different and way better than the newer Brotherhood one that followed the manga.

For Magi they had some really poor pacing with the Balbadd stuff. That was the point where the show got really boring for me. It was new and wondrous and reefreshing at first, but then they went to balbadd and beat the deadhorse that is Kassim and Alibaba's angst and the country's silly problems. What should've been maybe 3-4 episodes became way more than that. Endless talking rehashing the same stuff. And also endless fighting. It suddenly turned into endless shounen fight sequences. The adventuring and wonderment all gone. There's a review of this show on Kotaku that describes this sentiment exactly, where it went from exciting adventure to endless shounen powerfest.

Not that I don't love sparkly stuff and battles, but they have to have a reason and be well prepped and paced and be logical. The earlier battles were good but it just gets crazier and crazier at the second half and you just have to resign that everyone has DBZ destroy the world magic powers shootign everywhere willy nilly with no strategy and no way to gauge any of it.

Yeah the pacing in the second half was way too quick and staccato. Little to no exposes on most of the characters making you not care for any of them. Nor any revelations about the world or the overall plot. And its so colorful and childish the story and characters just takes a backseat to boobs, power, and endless Aladdin friendship speeches and Alibaba stricken face syndrome.

Most of the stuff is there for a great anime. The animation and characters and setting and underlying plot. It just wasn't put together as well as it should have been, or paced right. It's still a unique show that is memorable, only one of a few animes I've been watching for the past few months. This is probably the only new shounen/adventure show I'm willing to watch, since it has the right animation and everything else, though flawed. I'll give it an 8/10, because even with its flaws, I still think its way better than anything else out there, the show is unique, and there's nothing else I really want to watch or is even available. There's so many slice-of-life, romance, comedy, and girly shows with eyes half the size of their head my anime queue is completely empty.

Apr 2, 2013 4:38 AM

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funny how some ppl are mad about season one not being true to the manga. i really dont give a shit aslong as didnt read it :D --- it doesnt bother me at all.

i enjoyed watching magi overall..yeh it had some really bad animation fails but i can look past that easily. im happy for a second season to be honest.

5/5
8/10

this show has some really interesting characters :)

Apr 2, 2013 5:08 AM

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katsu044 said:
was a okay finale felt like i seen the ending of this arc before in the other ones though lol

as a anime only viewer i liked magi but it did start to go down hill at some point but that was mainly because of A-1

time to read the manga so that i can rage when S2 comes out fall,...however if it was madhouse that picked it up that's a different story (HXH) became one of my favorite Shounens

8/10

Read it from the beginning is my suggestion! The anime stays pretty close the the manga till a certain point but there are plenty of differences to keep you interested. Plus it's honestly not that long.

katamari201 said:
I don't see how any of the changes from the manga were that immense or pivotal. I think its just usual manga purists being ornery as usual. You see them in every anime thread complaining so and so was better in the manga. I am anime only watcher. Have tried countless times to read manga, but it always just looks like a flat undetailed picture with a bunch of lines that are suppose to be action. I might be able to trudge through by borrowing visuals and voices from the anime, but in the end its a hopeless cause for me. Maybe manga readers have a lot of imagination and are just getting mad when the anime doesn't fit their exact mold, which is completely different from person to person. Also, a good example of not following the manga closely being a good thing, is Fullmetal Alchemist. The old one with original motives and endings was completely different and way better than the newer Brotherhood one that followed the manga.

Manga isn't for everyone, and that's okay. Though yes there are the typical manga readers who hate anime adaptations no matter the reason or make up reasons. When reading original source material it's hard not to view the changes sometimes and feel it could of been done better.

I didn't pick up the manga till like 7 episodes into Magi and it followed very close to the material. Near the end they rushed and combined and made up things that they didn't have to, just because they didn't want to leave it open ended. Which feels like a slap in the face when they decided to renew the show.

I would say none of the changes were really detrimental to the story, definitely rushed and the pace was off but combining things didn't ruin it. As I previously stated the only issue I really have with the new story was Alibaba's character, his changes affect his overall character negatively and in an ,for lack of a better way to say it "un-king like" way.

On FMA well that's a different story I could argue good and bad from both but ratings and fans alike usually sway towards Brotherhood for a reason.

Tired_SmurphApr 2, 2013 5:23 AM

Apr 2, 2013 5:24 AM

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okay, where do i start...

i just started the manga 2 days ago (i'm at chapter 32 atm), so i can't compare that much. but i still felt that a lot of stuff was missing. all these attacks were too sudden without any explanation, especially during the last episodes. it was like they tried to throw in as much stuff as possible. not their best idea.

i was happy to see kassim for a second, though.
and sinbad looked just badass lbh.
i also liked that they introduced new characters at the end and yes, i'm excited about season 2.

7 or 8/10 for the whole show. i don't know what to choose yet, but i'm prone to give 8 points because magi was definitely one of my favorite anime this season, but i also felt that it was too rushed. i would have rather seen 100+ episodes with fillers instead of 25 rushed episodes.

Apr 2, 2013 5:36 AM

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So far I've read up to the 116 chapter, and after watching the last episode of the anime, I can kind of understand why they took this approach. It would be difficult to follow the manga exactly with only 25 episodes. It seems apparent that they had to quickly wrap up the season in a way that opens up to a new one. Their solution? A-1 made changes in order to make way for a finale.

Honestly, I don't very dissatisfied with the ending. The changes from the manga may be debatable, but they lead up to the same results:

Bad guys died in places and times where they weren't suppose to, things got shifted around. There were some big changes, but really? It could've been a lot worst. The plot itself wasn't affected in a heavy manner. Yeah, of course it irks me a bit, but overall the results weren't that devasting. However, like I said, I'm only on chapter 116, so maybe I'm wrong.

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Apr 2, 2013 5:57 AM

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loved yamuraiha's fight...it was great anime well i am not a manga reader so...9/10:D

Apr 2, 2013 6:18 AM

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IronLobster said:
So far I've read up to the 116 chapter, and after watching the last episode of the anime, I can kind of understand why they took this approach. It would be difficult to follow the manga exactly with only 25 episodes. It seems apparent that they had to quickly wrap up the season in a way that opens up to a new one. Their solution? A-1 made changes in order to make way for a finale.

Honestly, I don't very dissatisfied with the ending. The changes from the manga may be debatable, but they lead up to the same results:

Bad guys died in places and times where they weren't suppose to, things got shifted around. There were some big changes, but really? It could've been a lot worst. The plot itself wasn't affected in a heavy manner. Yeah, of course it irks me a bit, but overall the results weren't that devasting. However, like I said, I'm only on chapter 116, so maybe I'm wrong.

You forgot the characters. Alibaba was supposed to have character-development after Balbadd and become a better character overall (actually he was never as much of a pussy as the anime made him to be in Balbadd), and now he's cursing his fate and turned emo? (from what I read here) Hakuryuu was supposed to take Alibaba as a role model btw. How can an emo take another emo as a role model?

Aladdin forgot he has a first friend that disappeared and moved on as if nothing happened. I mean, since the first chapter in the manga we know how dear a friend for Aladdin is, and now his first friend disappeared and Aladdin was apathetic about it. Seriously? Though now that I mention it, they never animated the first chapter and they never focused on how much a friend is important to Aladdin, so I guess that doesn't make him a hypocrite, since he was one-dimensional from the very beginning.

Morgiana clearly points out that she love Alibaba. Did the anime show it as much as the manga did? I don't think so. Mor is mere fanservice btw.

Kassim was a horrible character in the anime. Jamil was one-dimensional as fuck. Judal seemed more one-dimensional as well.

Sinbad was supposed to show his ulterior motives when Hakuryuu said Sinbad is a liar, and that was REALLY obvious in the manga. Sinbad's expression was priceless. Did the anime show Sinbad's ulterior motives or not yet? (just wondering)

Al-Thamen seems like any group of villain, they just appeared out of nowhere in the anime without any foreshadowing and they have no depth to them. In the manga there were some symbolism and sculpture like panels that showed their role in the series as Ugo was talking to Aladdin in Balbadd.

Kouen has been foreshadowed as well in the first Sindria arc, but the anime staff deemed it unnecessary and just went on in their mess.

Markkio was left out and he was deemed unnecessary.

hmm, who's left?

Basically:
Firs impression for villain was bad as fuck, 'cause of no foreshadowing or derp-faces.
Foreshadowing was left out completely, unless added, once iirc.
Good guys turned to either fanservice, one-dimensional, or their characters turned into a mess.

Candor123Apr 2, 2013 6:30 AM

Apr 2, 2013 6:29 AM

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Good series and a good ending, but you can tell that the ending was rushed. Even so, the overall anime was great, i had a lot of fun with it and hopefully they will follow the manga more in season 2.

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Apr 2, 2013 7:55 AM

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Last ep was pretty cool! Didn't expected to see Sin in action again! The only things I didn't liked is how Zagan "fixed" Hakuryuu's arm. I expected he'll attach the original one or something （　´∀｀）
Also didn't liked how Morgiana suddenly recovered. She was in a such bad condition, and then boom, she's alright.
But anyway I enjoyed this ending. Will look forward to next season, which is not that far.

Apr 2, 2013 8:16 AM

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Can't wait for season 2

Apr 2, 2013 8:22 AM

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Yeah! it's very different from manga but overall, not bad 7/10

Apr 2, 2013 8:33 AM

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antonnn said:
If it wasn't already, R.I.P. Magi anime forever if there is indeed a season 2.

All we can hope for is a HxH 2011 to happen to Magi. Difference is, the original HxH was good.

Secunded. And im watching HxH 2011 atm, but some parts are even better at original.
But im expecting someone to start Magi from scrach, and follow the manga, they dont even need fillers until anime reaches the manga.

Apr 2, 2013 8:50 AM

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I haven't read the manga but the ending episode felt incredibly rushed and just awful.

Final rating: 5/10.

Go ***k yourself.

Polite as usual,
lightXTC

Apr 2, 2013 9:57 AM

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Dark_Messiah said:
i dont like the ending but im happy to see yunan and schehezerade(so cute :D).. they also spoil mogamet, ren brothers and hakuryuu's mom.. it would be great if they just follow the manga..
6/10
-1 from animation
-1 from weird BGM
-1 from character messed up
-1 from plot change

Weird BGM? So you wanted to hear a generic anime soundtrack playing in the background that sounds like hundreds of other anime BGM tracks? The soundtrack was one of the stronger points of this anime.

Apr 2, 2013 10:09 AM

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i thouth it was a good anime, gonna miss that morgiana happy face
aaaand so, i was hopping that alladin would got back his flying carpet, just sain' XD

antonnn said:
If it wasn't already, R.I.P. Magi anime forever if there is indeed a season 2.

All we can hope for is a HxH 2011 to happen to Magi. Difference is, the original HxH was good.

lol,really? i'm so reading the manga rigth away, since i liked the anime, but if you compare this to the original hxh, and say that, i MUST reat it rigth now

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