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Mar 31, 2013 6:06 AM
#41
Orzi said: It's weird for me. Why the weakest member of Gon team (Which happen to be Gon himself...) has to fight with the strongest of bombers, when a lot stronger ones (Bisky and Killua) confront the sidekicks? Their plan has no sense for me. just Gon being Gon, he told them some episodes ago that he wanted to beat that dude up and they won't be talking him out of it even if they try. |
Mar 31, 2013 6:39 AM
#42
Mephz said: Orzi said: It's weird for me. Why the weakest member of Gon team (Which happen to be Gon himself...) has to fight with the strongest of bombers, when a lot stronger ones (Bisky and Killua) confront the sidekicks? Their plan has no sense for me. just Gon being Gon, he told them some episodes ago that he wanted to beat that dude up and they won't be talking him out of it even if they try. Plus, they had a plan, so it's not like they were expecting him to beat Genthru by strenght. If Gon would have followed the plan he could have got an easy win like the others, with little damage. But he is stubborn, and he wants to make Genthru use Little Flower. |
Mar 31, 2013 7:16 AM
#44
Mephz said: Orzi said: It's weird for me. Why the weakest member of Gon team (Which happen to be Gon himself...) has to fight with the strongest of bombers, when a lot stronger ones (Bisky and Killua) confront the sidekicks? Their plan has no sense for me. just Gon being Gon, he told them some episodes ago that he wanted to beat that dude up and they won't be talking him out of it even if they try. The reason is Gon is the one who hold card number2 and75 and its main targets for Genthru group. This is why Genthru said in this episode, he take the black hair kid and Sub Bara take the other 2. So Genthru is the one who aimimg for Gon, not Gon team |
Mar 31, 2013 7:26 AM
#45
Orzi said: It's weird for me. Why the weakest member of Gon team (Which happen to be Gon himself...) has to fight with the strongest of bombers, when a lot stronger ones (Bisky and Killua) confront the sidekicks? Their plan has no sense for me. I admit being confused by this too at the begining, and I didn't like it because it's a big shonen cliché ( the main character ends up fighting the strongest vilain and everything). But then I remembered that HxH isn't youre generic shonen and I started thinking about it. First, it was Genthuru who decided that he would take on Gon, the guy with the black hair would go against Bisky and the red haired guy against Killua. But then, why did Genthuru choose this distribution ? From his point of view, it was clear that Gon was the leader of Gon's groupe, he was the one who had the important cards (if you want something to be done right do it yourself). Plus Gon was the one who challenged him, not Killua or Bisky. Now, form Gon's groupe's point of view. How did they know that Genthuru would choose this distribution ? First they made it obvious that Gon was the leader: - He was the one who challenged Genthuru. - It was Gon who was wearing the Palladin's necklace. - It was Gon who refused to join the big groupe of people who wanted to clear the game at the stat of Greed island. And Killua just followed Gon's "orders". Second, they kinda had no other choice. Remember that Gon's groupe spent the last 3 weeks training specifically to counter Genthuru's abilty "Little Flower". - The only person that could simulate Genthuru's speed was Bisky. - Killua couldn't train because of his hands. Plus he is the smartest in the groupe, so he focused on developping a strategy. - and like Mehpz said, when Gon decides to do something, you can't talk him out of it. Hope this will be helpfull |
Mar 31, 2013 7:36 AM
#46
Ugh, Genthru is definately the creepiest guy from this show. Hisoka is pretty scary, but also hilarious. |
Mar 31, 2013 7:46 AM
#47
-MgZ_ said: I love the battles! Madhouse! Oh yeah ... Madhouse has also won me over :D Loved everything about this episode, Killua's new abilities ... with the yo-yo and lightning combos. Gon's usual unbreakable will .... heck, even Bisky's true form lol PS: Can't wait for the climax next week! 5/5 |
Mar 31, 2013 9:03 AM
#50
Mar 31, 2013 9:38 AM
#51
Flawless episode. My favorite so far. I like how this fight brings ALL the principles and ideas we had in previous fights, we can see Hanzo, Canary and Hisoka right there. Also for who's wondering, just like hisoka's 'weakness" they want genthru to realize that he's a lot stronger, and take advantage of that to lure him to a trap later on. |
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Mar 31, 2013 9:46 AM
#52
Chimera Ant fights: Around 30-50 or so. |
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Mar 31, 2013 10:45 AM
#53
leokiko said: Chimera Ants is the most battle-centric arc in the entire series. God i remember when the chimera ant arc first started lol, it feels as though its been a damn decade and now it finally just recently ended in the manga not to long ago. CA can be a debatable arc amongst fans, I don't like to get people's hopes up because Hxh has been nothing but amazing so far, but personally i don't like the direction togashi decided in the manga for the CA arc. Yes its full of by far the most intensive battle sequences and it has alot of new characters introduced, the whole universe and world setting of HXh is expanded upon. SO much so that it makes you think everything else before it was just build up or preludes to the "real" story that gets underway and yes the CA arc is very long, its like 130 chapters in the manga i believe. But they kind of break the traditional fights and action in the previous arcs that had to do with wits skill and brains for a more Dbz like approach where power is everything, its kind of like brains Vs brawns. DBZ fans or a fan of large scale fights will appreciate that the CA arc has it in spades, its definitely the most intense arc in the show seen yet. But other people that are looking for strategical battle's and intelligent fights may be a bit disappointed. |
Mar 31, 2013 10:51 AM
#54
*breathes heavily* Awwww yes, amazing episode. Killua and Bisky pretending to be weak made me chuckle. |
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Mar 31, 2013 10:52 AM
#55
link9us said: leokiko said: Chimera Ants is the most battle-centric arc in the entire series. DBZ fans or a fan of large scale fights will appreciate that the CA arc has it in spades, its definitely the most intense arc in the show seen yet. But other people that are looking for strategical battle's and intelligent fights may be a bit disappointed. I have to disagree with you there, while there are a lot more fights in the next arc they're still centered around strategy and seeing who can deceive the other opponent or whoever fucks up first. Morel is a total boss, Killua and a game of darts, Knuckle's trials against the Royal Guards and that's only touching the surface without spoiling. I don't consider those generic battles If possible I'd really not want to get into a debate on this episode discussion board at least |
Mar 31, 2013 11:52 AM
#57
Mar 31, 2013 12:35 PM
#58
Great episode, loved it. Especially seeing Killua's fight. |
Mar 31, 2013 1:02 PM
#59
link9us said: leokiko said: Chimera Ants is the most battle-centric arc in the entire series. God i remember when the chimera ant arc first started lol, it feels as though its been a damn decade and now it finally just recently ended in the manga not to long ago. CA can be a debatable arc amongst fans, I don't like to get people's hopes up because Hxh has been nothing but amazing so far, but personally i don't like the direction togashi decided in the manga for the CA arc. Yes its full of by far the most intensive battle sequences and it has alot of new characters introduced, the whole universe and world setting of HXh is expanded upon. SO much so that it makes you think everything else before it was just build up or preludes to the "real" story that gets underway and yes the CA arc is very long, its like 130 chapters in the manga i believe. But they kind of break the traditional fights and action in the previous arcs that had to do with wits skill and brains for a more Dbz like approach where power is everything, its kind of like brains Vs brawns. DBZ fans or a fan of large scale fights will appreciate that the CA arc has it in spades, its definitely the most intense arc in the show seen yet. But other people that are looking for strategical battle's and intelligent fights may be a bit disappointed. It seems like you´re only refering to one or a couple of fights whereas almost every battle in the CAA relies on the head more than any other HH battle. |
Mar 31, 2013 1:14 PM
#60
85% (i think xd) of battles in Chimera Ant is do to with skill and brains. For example: Morel vs. Cheetu Knuckle and Morel vs. Cheetu (start fighting, punch Cheetu with Hakoware and escape) Leol vs. Morel (making smoke under water etc.) all fights during invasion. Knuckle was just punching enemies with hakoware, killua hit youpi few times and escape, shoot lost, pouf, youpi and meruem was overpowered, so nobody can defeat them. they dead from poison and more |
Mar 31, 2013 1:41 PM
#61
So, Bisky's a cross-dressing, burly man? Sent with Mal Updater |
Mar 31, 2013 2:02 PM
#62
link9us said: But they kind of break the traditional fights and action in the previous arcs that had to do with wits skill and brains for a more Dbz like approach where power is everything, its kind of like brains Vs brawns. Woaaah, disagree completly with this. This arc has the most varied, inteligent and surprising battles i have ever seen (the last -and most important- battle of the arc is everything BUT a battle where power is everything) |
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Mar 31, 2013 2:05 PM
#63
link9us said: DBZ fans or a fan of large scale fights will appreciate that the CA arc has it in spades, its definitely the most intense arc in the show seen yet. But other people that are looking for strategical battle's and intelligent fights may be a bit disappointed. Um did we read the same manga? Exactly which fight are you referring to? |
Mar 31, 2013 3:20 PM
#64
Mikasa said: Tsezguerra, BYE BYE! As much as I preferred the 2011 version I think the Tsezguerra, BYE BYE from the OVAs was the best. But this version was pretty good too. :) Also on the topic of the chimera ant arc being less strategic...I disagree. I won't go into a lot of detail but this idea that Togashi abandoned strategy in favor of a "DBZ-like my power is greater than yours" is just flat out wrong. Power has ALWAYS been a huge factor in HxH and you're kidding yourself if you don't think it is. Heck the whole reason they have to use strategy is because in a "fair" fight the powerless would lose against the powerful. Every HxH fight is a mixture of three things 1. Brains 2. Brawn 3. and a little something extra To quote Pain from Naruto "Everything is meaningless in the face of overwhelming power." and this applies just as much to a strategy heavy series like HxH as it does to a more "dbz-like" series like Naruto (not there's anything wrong with it being dbz like). However I think you'll see the approach to dealing with "overwhelming power" is quite different between the two series or even with DBZ itself. In short, don't get discouraged! Chimera Ant Arc will be awesome. :) |
Mar 31, 2013 4:56 PM
#65
Mar 31, 2013 5:08 PM
#66
Mar 31, 2013 7:44 PM
#67
Mar 31, 2013 11:32 PM
#68
The battles were short, but really impressive. Lol'd at Gon. And, Biske is so GAR. |
Mar 31, 2013 11:33 PM
#69
Zee530 said: Nothing, just as sexy as ever.What happen to my darling biscuit? ヾ( °д)ノ゛ヾ(°д°)ノ゛ヾ(д° )ノ゛ |
Apr 1, 2013 2:07 AM
#70
Great episode, the fights are always really cool, I love them! Gon's weapon may be one of the coolest I've seen xD Yeah, Bisky looks pretty bad in that state xD Bumped the rating from a 7 to an 8, ofc not solely due to this episode, though. =) 5/5. |
Apr 1, 2013 9:53 AM
#71
Stupid cliffhanger :( Loved the episode, such awesome music for Gon & Killua's fights. |
Apr 1, 2013 11:03 AM
#72
As usual excellent job by Madhouse, nothing to complain.. 5/5 |
Keep moving forward |
Apr 1, 2013 8:48 PM
#74
Hybridbloodszak said: Madhouse Sakuga animation ftw... God episodes like these and the dodgeball game remind me why they are one of the few animation studios who could do this adaptation justice or a long running show justice for the matter The Bombers may be a little generic but that doesn't make them less intimidating. They're pretty intelligent and their skill over Nen isn't to be trifled with. Can't wait to see anime only viewers reaction to Bisky. Killua being boss as usual XD Another thing I like this series emphasizes is even though Gon and Killua are prodigies and have incredible raw strength like so many other Shonen heroes, that does not make up fully for lack of experience. What Genthru said about Gon will be key in later stories in how he has a good Ren but hasn't mastered control of his aura to his fullest. Hell yeah to The Emperor's Time and Killua's Character song making a return You say this, but it seems like only Gon is suffering from this. When they were up against the Spiders that was one thing, but in general Killua just seems to excel at battle while Gon's fights are kinda boring to watch because he loses so much. I guess it's fun for people who are used to other shonen (like say...Fairy Tail which had its main character completely shut down two people who should've been on his level in its "last" episode), where the main character is god, but I think this is slowly sliding too far in the other direction. Gon's interesting to see in so far as his actions and thoughts about stuff, but when it comes to battles I'm always kinda bored. |
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Apr 1, 2013 9:30 PM
#75
SageShinigami said: Hybridbloodszak said: Madhouse Sakuga animation ftw... God episodes like these and the dodgeball game remind me why they are one of the few animation studios who could do this adaptation justice or a long running show justice for the matter The Bombers may be a little generic but that doesn't make them less intimidating. They're pretty intelligent and their skill over Nen isn't to be trifled with. Can't wait to see anime only viewers reaction to Bisky. Killua being boss as usual XD Another thing I like this series emphasizes is even though Gon and Killua are prodigies and have incredible raw strength like so many other Shonen heroes, that does not make up fully for lack of experience. What Genthru said about Gon will be key in later stories in how he has a good Ren but hasn't mastered control of his aura to his fullest. Hell yeah to The Emperor's Time and Killua's Character song making a return You say this, but it seems like only Gon is suffering from this. When they were up against the Spiders that was one thing, but in general Killua just seems to excel at battle while Gon's fights are kinda boring to watch because he loses so much. I guess it's fun for people who are used to other shonen (like say...Fairy Tail which had its main character completely shut down two people who should've been on his level in its "last" episode), where the main character is god, but I think this is slowly sliding too far in the other direction. Gon's interesting to see in so far as his actions and thoughts about stuff, but when it comes to battles I'm always kinda bored. You're right in how I should have mentioned just Gon in my post because that was my intent. Not sure if you're an anime only viewer but let me assure you Gon is a badass and doesn't just lose constantly as you're implying. We still haven't seen the result of this fight and the next arc is an epoch with many twists and turns that's longer than Greed Island, Yorknew, and Heavens Arena combined. About the thing that you kind of touched on with Killua, for the content released Hunters' very much runs on the "Dual Protagonist" trope where Killua gets just as much focus if not more than Gon at times. If you don't like Gon for whatever reason, (which is a crime if you don't :P) Togashi gives you Killua to root for whether that's his fights or just his character. As Biscuit says, Gon and Killua make a good combo to help cover each other's flaws. Gon needs Killua and the reverse likewise |
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Apr 1, 2013 9:47 PM
#76
SageShinigami said: Hybridbloodszak said: Madhouse Sakuga animation ftw... God episodes like these and the dodgeball game remind me why they are one of the few animation studios who could do this adaptation justice or a long running show justice for the matter The Bombers may be a little generic but that doesn't make them less intimidating. They're pretty intelligent and their skill over Nen isn't to be trifled with. Can't wait to see anime only viewers reaction to Bisky. Killua being boss as usual XD Another thing I like this series emphasizes is even though Gon and Killua are prodigies and have incredible raw strength like so many other Shonen heroes, that does not make up fully for lack of experience. What Genthru said about Gon will be key in later stories in how he has a good Ren but hasn't mastered control of his aura to his fullest. Hell yeah to The Emperor's Time and Killua's Character song making a return You say this, but it seems like only Gon is suffering from this. When they were up against the Spiders that was one thing, but in general Killua just seems to excel at battle while Gon's fights are kinda boring to watch because he loses so much. I guess it's fun for people who are used to other shonen (like say...Fairy Tail which had its main character completely shut down two people who should've been on his level in its "last" episode), where the main character is god, but I think this is slowly sliding too far in the other direction. Gon's interesting to see in so far as his actions and thoughts about stuff, but when it comes to battles I'm always kinda bored. Killua was trained as an assassin since child hood so he has an edge on Gon. Gon loses because he's up against overwhelming odds. I mean what can you really expect when Gon is fighting someone twice his size and has much more experience with nen and battle? Gon's fights aren't about what Gon can dish it's about how much he can take. As Genthru said it's not about the physical but the spiritual. Genthru may have beaten the crap out of Gon but Gon won this round because he got Genthru to use his ability. Now whether or not that will be a mistake for Gon we'll have to wait and see. Killua on the other hand, sure he's skilled but again that's due to his training and experience. Killua plays it safe and won't go into battle he can't win...that is until he meets Gon and befriends him. The old Killua would never fight against Sub knowing nothing of his abilities but Killua is a hunter now and he's more willing to take risks. I like Gon's fights because even though he gets kicked around he has the determination to get back up. |
Apr 1, 2013 11:40 PM
#77
pycenmy said: Set aside the fact that Gon is the true MC (that's why he get the main battles). Wouldn't it be more logical for them if Bisky (the strongest out them) fought Genthru (the strongest of his team) instead? mrsticky005, now is the time for your wall of text about why Gon fighting Genthru is probabilistically the best choice xD But the explanation is simple: Biscuit is strong for sure, but fighting Genthru just with her skill would be too risky, because Genthru is also strong. Instead they made a plan so even Gon can beat him easily. Then, if the plan makes a secure win, it would be a waste if Biscuit uses it. Instead Gon is using the plan, and Biscuit is just having a normal fight with Bara. The problem is Gon, who is stubborn and isn't sticking to the plan... |
Apr 2, 2013 2:11 AM
#78
Killua's track is nice but what I want is the battle theme from Gon vs. Razor / Gon vs. Genthru. It was about time the background music stepped up to the animation's quality. And about matchup choices (heavy spoilers): As far as the group knows, all three members of Genthru's team are of comparable power, even if Genthru's the leader that doesn't necessarily mean he's the strongest. They only knew Genthru's ability, training Gon for that was the best bet, Killua can adapt easy and Bisket's a powerhouse. and as Salce put it in the post above, it would've been a waste to have Bisket use it. And Killua's also a bad matchup against Genthru, countering Little Flower called for a kamikaze attack and Killua would never do that (the fact that the he didn't know it was due to Illumi's brain needle is irrelevant). |
IrghenApr 2, 2013 2:14 AM
Apr 2, 2013 4:12 AM
#79
great episode! seriously, madhouse has done a fantastic job with the animation. looking forward to next episode as always. and I always want to pick back up on CA after watching a new episode. Im surprised no one uploaded that picture of Gon, Bisky and Killua with their respective eye colors glowing. I thought it looked cool and "prnt screened" it, but havent uploaded it. |
Apr 2, 2013 8:16 AM
#80
Kyaa. Killua so coool! |
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Apr 2, 2013 4:03 PM
#81
dextronaut said: great episode! seriously, madhouse has done a fantastic job with the animation. looking forward to next episode as always. and I always want to pick back up on CA after watching a new episode. Im surprised no one uploaded that picture of Gon, Bisky and Killua with their respective eye colors glowing. I thought it looked cool and "prnt screened" it, but havent uploaded it. You mean when they used Zetsu. and was very happy about that part because while the ova did show them hiding you couldn't really tell if they were using Zetsu or not. While here they make it so you can tell quite easily due to the loss of light in their eyes and how they look dimmer |
Apr 2, 2013 10:45 PM
#83
this episode remind me why i love this shit. damn, awesome episode. DAT ANIMATION i fuckin love madhouse |
Apr 2, 2013 10:52 PM
#84
Hm, not being a manga reader myself, I only know the story up till this episode. But then I must say that I don't really like the direction in which Gon's powers are being developed. It's a becoming a bit too much like the formulaic shounen "main guy just gets stronger and stronger" case everyone is familiar with(*hint hint* Bleach). It seems established from the start that Gon has the potential to be a great Hunter, but it's getting a bit repetitive when every 2 episodes they have guy X exclaim something about his potential... I had much preferred how Kurapika developed in the Phantom Troupe arc. He was powerful, yet his abilities and limitations were well-defined. It was elegant without putting too much emphasis on the power-gain-as-fight-progresses theme. As a result, all the fights were relatively short, sweet, intense, and satisfying, i.e. Kurapika vs Uvogin, Zoldyck vs Chrollo. But now I feel like it has just reverted back to typical Shounen and all the associated problems, considering how one dodgeball game can take 2 episodes. |
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Apr 2, 2013 11:59 PM
#85
kuity said: Hm, not being a manga reader myself, I only know the story up till this episode. But then I must say that I don't really like the direction in which Gon's powers are being developed. It's a becoming a bit too much like the formulaic shounen "main guy just gets stronger and stronger" case everyone is familiar with(*hint hint* Bleach). It seems established from the start that Gon has the potential to be a great Hunter, but it's getting a bit repetitive when every 2 episodes they have guy X exclaim something about his potential... I had much preferred how Kurapika developed in the Phantom Troupe arc. He was powerful, yet his abilities and limitations were well-defined. It was elegant without putting too much emphasis on the power-gain-as-fight-progresses theme. As a result, all the fights were relatively short, sweet, intense, and satisfying, i.e. Kurapika vs Uvogin, Zoldyck vs Chrollo. But now I feel like it has just reverted back to typical Shounen and all the associated problems, considering how one dodgeball game can take 2 episodes. I'm not really sure what you are complaining about... Like I don't entirely get what you are saying If you think about it.. Gon has never won a significant battle. He lost while versing Hisoka and technically lost in the 1v1 fight in the hunter exam, he lost to the girl butler in Zoldyck arc, and he lost to Hisoka in Heavens Arena. I think he's a completely different type of main character. And the fact that people 'state' that he has potential is because they are seeing him for the first time, plus he is a kid-Hunter which already says a lot. Most of the abilities Gon learns have already been perfected by many other people, the only somewhat-unique ability he comes up with is the Jan ken. I've never seen Gon get stronger during a fight, he always uses what he has to do what he can to his opponent. For Kurapika, he is seen as a really strong character and we rarely see him, so they can display him as a powerhouse. If he were a crucial member of the series (I'm not saying he isn't, he just isn't shown very often) he would probably be more dynamic. They would show people that are able to counter his Nen chains, (Chrollo might of been able to counter the chains had he been given the chance... or Nobunaga since he can use En... ). As for the dodgeball game.. assuming you are complaining about how long it is (1 + 2 half episodes). I thought it was a decent length. Had it just been two half-episodes it probably would of felt rushed and it wouldn't be able to show off how difficult/strong Razor was as well as build suspense. Obviously Gon was not stronger then Razor and didn't get stronger by the end of the episode..he just altered his tactics in terms of receiving the ball and used his Jan Ken Guu to fight back. Besides the fact that Razor couldn't dodge the attack, he was still able to deflect it and shoot it back at Gon. In terms of this episode Gon has trained to counter Genthru's attacks. Genthru is more skilled in normal hand-to-hand combat in comparison to Gon. By the end of this episode Gon made Genthru fight on his terms (i.e. makes him use little flower)... and you will see how that turns out in the next episode. |
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Apr 3, 2013 1:04 PM
#86
FrostToaster said: kuity said: Hm, not being a manga reader myself, I only know the story up till this episode. But then I must say that I don't really like the direction in which Gon's powers are being developed. It's a becoming a bit too much like the formulaic shounen "main guy just gets stronger and stronger" case everyone is familiar with(*hint hint* Bleach). It seems established from the start that Gon has the potential to be a great Hunter, but it's getting a bit repetitive when every 2 episodes they have guy X exclaim something about his potential... I had much preferred how Kurapika developed in the Phantom Troupe arc. He was powerful, yet his abilities and limitations were well-defined. It was elegant without putting too much emphasis on the power-gain-as-fight-progresses theme. As a result, all the fights were relatively short, sweet, intense, and satisfying, i.e. Kurapika vs Uvogin, Zoldyck vs Chrollo. But now I feel like it has just reverted back to typical Shounen and all the associated problems, considering how one dodgeball game can take 2 episodes. I'm not really sure what you are complaining about... Like I don't entirely get what you are saying If you think about it.. Gon has never won a significant battle. He lost while versing Hisoka and technically lost in the 1v1 fight in the hunter exam, he lost to the girl butler in Zoldyck arc, and he lost to Hisoka in Heavens Arena. I think he's a completely different type of main character. And the fact that people 'state' that he has potential is because they are seeing him for the first time, plus he is a kid-Hunter which already says a lot. Most of the abilities Gon learns have already been perfected by many other people, the only somewhat-unique ability he comes up with is the Jan ken. I've never seen Gon get stronger during a fight, he always uses what he has to do what he can to his opponent. For Kurapika, he is seen as a really strong character and we rarely see him, so they can display him as a powerhouse. If he were a crucial member of the series (I'm not saying he isn't, he just isn't shown very often) he would probably be more dynamic. They would show people that are able to counter his Nen chains, (Chrollo might of been able to counter the chains had he been given the chance... or Nobunaga since he can use En... ). As for the dodgeball game.. assuming you are complaining about how long it is (1 + 2 half episodes). I thought it was a decent length. Had it just been two half-episodes it probably would of felt rushed and it wouldn't be able to show off how difficult/strong Razor was as well as build suspense. Obviously Gon was not stronger then Razor and didn't get stronger by the end of the episode..he just altered his tactics in terms of receiving the ball and used his Jan Ken Guu to fight back. Besides the fact that Razor couldn't dodge the attack, he was still able to deflect it and shoot it back at Gon. In terms of this episode Gon has trained to counter Genthru's attacks. Genthru is more skilled in normal hand-to-hand combat in comparison to Gon. By the end of this episode Gon made Genthru fight on his terms (i.e. makes him use little flower)... and you will see how that turns out in the next episode. I can understand where you are coming from. Let me try to rephrase my complaint in a more concise way. The reason I am bringing this up now is because of events that transpired in Greed Island, which is to say I am satisfied with how things went prior to this i.e. Heavens arena, Hunter exam, Yorknew arc. The main event that triggered my reaction is this dodgeball game. You are wrong to say that Gon did not get stronger throughout the fight. In fact, emphasis was placed on him firing 3 consecutive Jan Ken Guu's, each stronger than the next. A lot of time was spent on this. But what it boils down to is that any reason you can come up with to explain why each shot is stronger than the next is classical shounen(i.e. desire to get stronger, desire to win fight, inner resolve etc.), and at the end of the day I can summarize it as a display of brute force, lacking any of the elegance of the previous fights that I have named. That is why I say I don't like the way Gon's powers are being developed. Anyway, Kurapika is THE protagonist as far as I'm concerned for the Yorknew arc. All events were revolving him and his grudge against the Phantom Troupe. With regards to Gon's potential thing, you really don't have to try and justify it. It is a technique used in like, half of all shounen anime, because it's an effective way to entertain the target audience. I probably shouldn't have brought it up. |
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Apr 3, 2013 3:53 PM
#87
kuity said: Hm, not being a manga reader myself, I only know the story up till this episode. But then I must say that I don't really like the direction in which Gon's powers are being developed. It's a becoming a bit too much like the formulaic shounen "main guy just gets stronger and stronger" case everyone is familiar with(*hint hint* Bleach). It seems established from the start that Gon has the potential to be a great Hunter, but it's getting a bit repetitive when every 2 episodes they have guy X exclaim something about his potential... I had much preferred how Kurapika developed in the Phantom Troupe arc. He was powerful, yet his abilities and limitations were well-defined. It was elegant without putting too much emphasis on the power-gain-as-fight-progresses theme. As a result, all the fights were relatively short, sweet, intense, and satisfying, i.e. Kurapika vs Uvogin, Zoldyck vs Chrollo. But now I feel like it has just reverted back to typical Shounen and all the associated problems, considering how one dodgeball game can take 2 episodes. 1. Gon isn't Kurapika. 2. Gon is the protagonist of the series not Kurapika 3. Gon is an enhancer. Enhancers are pretty much the shonen archetype 4. Greed Island is a training arc for Gon 5. HxH at the end of the day is a shonen albeit a twisted one. 6. Kurapika didn't develop powers. He took a shortcut and that's the condition Yorknew is a good arc but if you're looking for more Yorknew you probably should just quit while you're ahead because it's pretty much Gon the rest of the way. However if you want to keep watching that's cool I'm just saying if it bothers you that Gon "levels up" then you're gonna be disappointed as the series goes on. |
Apr 3, 2013 4:14 PM
#88
kuity said: I had much preferred how Kurapika developed in the Phantom Troupe arc. He was powerful, yet his abilities and limitations were well-defined. It was elegant without putting too much emphasis on the power-gain-as-fight-progresses theme. As a result, all the fights were relatively short, sweet, intense, and satisfying, i.e. Kurapika vs Uvogin, Zoldyck vs Chrollo. But now I feel like it has just reverted back to typical Shounen and all the associated problems, considering how one dodgeball game can take 2 episodes. 2 ways, either trolling or simply don't get it. Didn't Gon just pass out a couple of episodes ago because of his "limitation"? Didn't everyone watch the same episode? What about the fact that he couldn't learn something in 2 weeks because it's too much? Or him still being weaker than Genthru that the only way is Killua's plan? |
Apr 3, 2013 5:36 PM
#89
nelsonbrabra said: this episode remind me why i love this shit. damn, awesome episode. DAT ANIMATION i fuckin love madhouse This comment. And not only the animation was awesome today, the pacing throughout the episode and the fights were outstanding. Also, Killua was SO DAMN COOL in this episode, can't til next episode |
Apr 3, 2013 11:49 PM
#90
kuity said: FrostToaster said: kuity said: Hm, not being a manga reader myself, I only know the story up till this episode. But then I must say that I don't really like the direction in which Gon's powers are being developed. It's a becoming a bit too much like the formulaic shounen "main guy just gets stronger and stronger" case everyone is familiar with(*hint hint* Bleach). It seems established from the start that Gon has the potential to be a great Hunter, but it's getting a bit repetitive when every 2 episodes they have guy X exclaim something about his potential... I had much preferred how Kurapika developed in the Phantom Troupe arc. He was powerful, yet his abilities and limitations were well-defined. It was elegant without putting too much emphasis on the power-gain-as-fight-progresses theme. As a result, all the fights were relatively short, sweet, intense, and satisfying, i.e. Kurapika vs Uvogin, Zoldyck vs Chrollo. But now I feel like it has just reverted back to typical Shounen and all the associated problems, considering how one dodgeball game can take 2 episodes. I'm not really sure what you are complaining about... Like I don't entirely get what you are saying If you think about it.. Gon has never won a significant battle. He lost while versing Hisoka and technically lost in the 1v1 fight in the hunter exam, he lost to the girl butler in Zoldyck arc, and he lost to Hisoka in Heavens Arena. I think he's a completely different type of main character. And the fact that people 'state' that he has potential is because they are seeing him for the first time, plus he is a kid-Hunter which already says a lot. Most of the abilities Gon learns have already been perfected by many other people, the only somewhat-unique ability he comes up with is the Jan ken. I've never seen Gon get stronger during a fight, he always uses what he has to do what he can to his opponent. For Kurapika, he is seen as a really strong character and we rarely see him, so they can display him as a powerhouse. If he were a crucial member of the series (I'm not saying he isn't, he just isn't shown very often) he would probably be more dynamic. They would show people that are able to counter his Nen chains, (Chrollo might of been able to counter the chains had he been given the chance... or Nobunaga since he can use En... ). As for the dodgeball game.. assuming you are complaining about how long it is (1 + 2 half episodes). I thought it was a decent length. Had it just been two half-episodes it probably would of felt rushed and it wouldn't be able to show off how difficult/strong Razor was as well as build suspense. Obviously Gon was not stronger then Razor and didn't get stronger by the end of the episode..he just altered his tactics in terms of receiving the ball and used his Jan Ken Guu to fight back. Besides the fact that Razor couldn't dodge the attack, he was still able to deflect it and shoot it back at Gon. In terms of this episode Gon has trained to counter Genthru's attacks. Genthru is more skilled in normal hand-to-hand combat in comparison to Gon. By the end of this episode Gon made Genthru fight on his terms (i.e. makes him use little flower)... and you will see how that turns out in the next episode. I can understand where you are coming from. Let me try to rephrase my complaint in a more concise way. The reason I am bringing this up now is because of events that transpired in Greed Island, which is to say I am satisfied with how things went prior to this i.e. Heavens arena, Hunter exam, Yorknew arc. The main event that triggered my reaction is this dodgeball game. You are wrong to say that Gon did not get stronger throughout the fight. In fact, emphasis was placed on him firing 3 consecutive Jan Ken Guu's, each stronger than the next. A lot of time was spent on this. But what it boils down to is that any reason you can come up with to explain why each shot is stronger than the next is classical shounen(i.e. desire to get stronger, desire to win fight, inner resolve etc.), and at the end of the day I can summarize it as a display of brute force, lacking any of the elegance of the previous fights that I have named. That is why I say I don't like the way Gon's powers are being developed. Anyway, Kurapika is THE protagonist as far as I'm concerned for the Yorknew arc. All events were revolving him and his grudge against the Phantom Troupe. With regards to Gon's potential thing, you really don't have to try and justify it. It is a technique used in like, half of all shounen anime, because it's an effective way to entertain the target audience. I probably shouldn't have brought it up. Essentially she is actually right and its alot more noticeable when you get to the large scale chimera ant arc. I didn't really care for the direction togashi took as far as Brains Vs brawn, but inevitably that is what all shonen become eventually. How ever their are some really high points in the series moving forward. Togashi really expands the universe of his story and introduces just many new characters so it will be interesting. |
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