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Mar 25, 2013 9:17 AM
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This thread contains tons of spoilers. So if you are new to One Piece and haven't seen at least 500 episodes of it, get the f*** out.

Credits to Ashura_KingFisher of ArlongParkForums for this theory.

It's a long read, but totally worth it.



"THE VOID CENTURY"

Let’s summarize things first :

As we know, there was an age called “The Void Century” in OP’s world timeline. Except Roger’s pirate, not a single living soul on this planet have any idea what the really happened within that gap.

However an Oharan archelogoist, Profesor Clover, had a slight hint about it. He told us that in that time there was once stood a prosperous and powerful ancient kingdom that ruled over the ocean. However, They had a certain enemy. This enemy felt threaten by the kingdoms existence and their certain ‘policy’. So then they invaded the kingdom and succeded. The kingdom was fallen to shred and somehow, the enemy managed to wipe out every single information about them from history.

Coincidentally, The end of the kingdom’s reign also marked the end of The Void Century. At the same time, an organization called The World Government was built for the first time. Clover had a theory that the WG was none other than the enemy itself.

Now let’s enter the theory :

"THE HIDDEN PATTERN"


There are 3 things that cannot be stopped :

Men’s Dream
The Flow of Time
Inherited Will

As long as people continue to seek the true meaning of freedom, they will never ceased to be!


-- Gol D. Roger --

As these words first appeared in chapter 100, they seems pretty meaningless tome. I took them as nothing more than some random cool quotes.

However, as sthe story goes deeper, I realized (and some of you might have figured it out as well) that One Piece story has been consistenly following those 3 things : Man’s Dream, The Flow of Time, Inherited Will.

Let’s see :

1. Hiluluk's Sakura
Hiluluk had an impossible goal, and that was to create a panacea capable of curing all kind of diseases or ilness. however his experiments were keep failing and failing for 30 years. though eventually, Hiluluk's Sakura was bloomed, it is still not a miracle cure. Chopper who greatly respect to Dr. Hiluluk inherited these will by setting sail and joining Luffy.


2. Golden Bell of Shandorian

Two best friends parted away on the shores of Jaya. Their friendship didn’t end here, they promised to meet again someday. Calgara kept ringing the golden bell so his friend wouldn't get lost in his way there. Unfortunately, the fate decided to send Island of Jaya 10.000 m above the sky. Calgara died in the war, while Norland was executed in his hometown. Their promise were totally buried.

400 years later, a boy named Luffy succesfully found and ring the long lost bell, thus fulfilling the forgotten promise.


3. All Blue

Zeff wanted to find the legendary all blue, but a year of sailing the grand line hasn’t bear him any fruit. However he was still pretty assured that the ocean exists somewhere in this world, so he inherited his dream to Sanji, hoping that Sanji will achieve his dream someday in the future.


I only picked 3 examples, but there are actually more of them. So, anyone captured the big picture I’m getting at? or not? well, Here is what I meant :

1. in the past, there’s someone who had a certain dream/desire/promise, but for a reason or two they didn’t manage to complete it (Man’s Dream)

2. the dream was delayed for many years (The Flow of Time)

3. Eventually, there will be someone in the future who will complete his/her dream (Inherited Will)


That’s right, starting from the first chapter up till now, the storyline has ALWAYS been following this very pattern. I’m quite surprised myself, we’ve been through this pattern over and over again, though I’m sure fery few people are awared of it. I call it “the golden pattern” (because Gold Roger created it).

This made me think, wouldn’t Roger has the pattern of his own as well? My curiosity was finally answered in chapter 576.





So apperantly Roger had this will, a will that has been inherited for hundred years. And he waited for certain somoene to carry on this will… somehow it also has something to do with One Piece.

So what’s is this all about? What was Roger’s will exactly?






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"ROGER’S DREAM"

The Golden Pattern (starting from here everything is 100% theory)

MEN’S DREAM
Roger’s will that Whitebeard was talking about, it actually wasn’t his original will. Roger inherited it as well from waaay back then, from 800 years ago to be precised. Yes, it was originally the will of The Ancient Kingdom (let’s call it AK from now on).

The AK was a big kingdom, it ruled over almost the whole world (just like WG does now). They apparently also had a pretty-advanced civilization. One could say that there’s almost nothing they couldn’t achieve with everthing they got at the time.

However they had an issue. As we know, the planet of OP contains of big four seas, east, west, north, and south, each were separated by the Red Line and the Grand Line. The AK saw Red Line and Grand Line as a big obstacle because they have been been preventing people from traveling from one sea to another, thus preventing the AK from reaching its full prosperity as well.

And So they made this project, an insane one, but has to be done. The project was about eliminating the Red Line and Grand Line to fuse the 4 seas into one big ocean, the united ocean. The called it the project of “One Piece”. In order to do so, they started to build some weapons which will be strong enough to destroy the red line (later called Ancient Weapons)

It turned out that not everybody was pleased by this project.. you know, politics. Some other kingdoms were totally against it, they smell a conspiracy was playing behind it. But the AK stood their ground no matter what. Guess what happened next? a huge war broke out. It’s the AK vs 20 kingdoms who were against the prject of "One Piece”.

The 20 kingdoms came out as the victor and they declared themselves as The World Government. Meanwhile the AK was reduced to shred, along with all their historiy, and the “One Piece” project was never heard again since then.


THE FLOW OF TIME
Unexpectedly, The AK has anticipated their downfall. Before the war begun they had carved historical notes on these certain metals which as hard as diamond(later called the poneglyphs) and hid them throughout the world, along with the weapons they’ve built. The AK really wanted to make sure that their desire wouldn’t die in case of anything bad happened to them.

the WG was mad with this fact and completetely prohibit any form of poneglyph dechipering.

but it's too late, the will has been passing through ages since then… silently waiting for someone to recieve the massage.


THE INHERITED WILL
800 years has passed, a pirate named Roger sucessfully reach Raftel and discovered the true history. He knows exactly what to do, but unfortunately his body didn’t allow him to… he had this incurable disease, remember? whereas the project needs a lot of power and time to complete, 2 things that Roger didn’t have that time.

Therefore, he decided to create The Golden Age of Piracy instead, hoping that there will appear someone who is strong and righteous enough to complete the massage in his place.

Who will be that ‘someone’? I think we all know the answer. :D





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"THE PROJECT OF ONE PIECE"

Now… how exactly does this project work? Will fusing 4 seas into a united ocean make Luffy’s journey worthy?


Let me explain it… It’s gonna be a bit technical so I’ll include some ilustrations.


So here is roughly how the globe looks like.


And this is the flat(word?) version :



The idea of “One Piece” is to create a united ocean, a perfect ocean to sail. Therefore we have two jobs : fusing all the seas into one and eliminating Grand Line abnormality. GL’s abnormality? Is that even possible?

Apparently it is possible for the AK scientists. The trick is destroy a spot where every sea on the planet (north, west, east, south, grand line, new world, and calm belt) meet in one place. There is a spot like that? Actually, there are two, and both need to be destroyed. The two spots are reverse mountain and mariejoa/fishman island.

A Simple illustration :



And here is the meeting spot, the circled area one :



Think for a moment there… It made sense right? Mariejoa/fishman island also has a similar geography (minus the reverse canals).

The meeting spot are set. Next, the ancient weapons will do their job : annihilating those spots.

Ok let’s do it to reverse mountain first… FIRE IN THE HOLE!!




Even with the mighty power of the ancient weapons, the annihilation must be calculated and done correctly to get the wanted effect. If succeed, this what will happen next :



Losing a huge mass of land, The sea became even more unstable than before, a big whirlpool will appeared on the center of destruction spot, storms and tidal wave occuring everywhere. However they’re only temporary, after a couple days the raging storm shall be subsided.

And then, the magic began…

disastrous random-weather on grand line and NW suddenly doesn’t occur anymore
the magnetic field which make a normal compass useless are completely gone
Even the wind starting to blow on Calm Belt

How about sea monsters? Well, this is the time where Poseidon come to play. The Poseidon has fully taken control of the sea king and make them some kind of ‘police’ of the ocean to prevent other sea monsters from going wild. (yes I do think this is very possible)

The ideal united ocean is finally created . The project of One Piece officialy succeeded!!


But is that it???


It’s not. There’s actually one more after-effect, and it’s the most important one.

The big whirlpool that appeared after the destruction of reverse mountain, It happened because the water mass of the four seas simultaneously flowed into the center of destruction -- the place where reverse mountain was stood once. Logically, that means every kind of living things which originally lives in four seas were brought there as well. You literally could find every fish species from all over the world here.

Wait, was that sounds familiar? Exactly, the destruction spot has became that legendary mythical sea…


The Legendary ALL BLUE

The United Ocean and the legendary All Blue

At least 6 of Strawhats’s dream will be accomplished because of these achievement.

Luffy -> he wanted to be the pirate king, “the man who has the most freedom in the ocean”. now that the ocean has been united, Luffy has literally achieved this feat.

Sanji -> it's obvious, he finally found the All Blue

Nami -> now that the entire ocean is free to sail, drawing world map is not so impossible anymore

Franky -> same reason with Nami, Sunny now can travel all over the world

Robin -> all of this happened because she found out the true history

Brook -> Ever wonder how Brook will return to the Twin Cape to meet Laboon? It seems impossible because the reverse mountain was in the way. But now, it’s GONE! They’ll meet again with ease, Bink’s Sake will be played along their emotional reunion. It will be a perfect moment.


How do you think??

ow how about the spot at mariejo/fishman island ??






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“THE PROMISED DAY”






This mermaid… she didn’t lie at all. nor she’s wrong. She was actually foreseeing the event we’ve been talking about : the project of One Piece. And It is indeed Luffy who will trigger the event.


The ancestor of FI were actually well awared of this upcoming event.

How so? Here’s another theory : Joy Boy, he was actually the king of the AK.


Ok I know that sounds so random. There’s a theory for that but let’s save it for later…


Like a said, destroying both reverse mountain and fishman island is a must to complet the project. Therefore, King Joy Boy made a proposal of destroying FI to the former mermaid princess, Poseidon. She agreed but as an exchange she asked Joy Boy to move her people to a better place on the surface. Joy Boy gave a nod and started building Noah Arc afterwards.

Joy Boy managed to finish Noah but short after his kingdom lost a great battle against the 20 kingdoms. The promised cannot be fullfilled and he apoligized to Poseidon through poneglyph. However he still promised her “that day” would eventually come in the future, the day when fishmen and mermen live under the sun.

(You see that Oda used the another “golden pattern” again here)


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Conclusion : “The promised day” and madam shirley’s prediction, they are actually the same thing.

The scenario is pretty simple : at “the promised day” Luffy will trigger the attack on the destruction spot, but before that, Shirahoshi will command the seaking to move all of the FI’s citizen to a safer place (by using Noah).

Once destroyed, the same magic which happened to reverse mountain spot will also be happened here. The All Blue will appear, replacing the destruction spot. mermen and fishmen will move here later and make a brand new civilization around the Sunny Tree of Eve (if Sunny Tree has the same reputation with Adam tree, it will completely survive the destruction. There are illustrations for this but I lost it somewhere ).


Meanwhile, this also marked the end of WG’s reign because Mariejoa --the prime symbol of WG-- was buried alongside FI in the process. Luffy finally won his war against the WG.


If you look from above, both mariejoa and fishman island are located on the same place. Destruction are inevitable for both.



A = Sunny Tree of Eve
B = the Red Line
C = underwater part of Red Line
D = Fishman Island
E = underwater cave
F = holy land Mariejoa


well to make it simple, everything in this pic will be completely destroyed, except the sunny tree.

DISCUSS.



Mar 25, 2013 9:26 AM
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Yes, post the source.
Source: http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38205

Now discuss.
Mar 25, 2013 11:47 AM
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First of all this is a great theory. The guy who thought of this really thought about everything. I'm glad someone thought the same as me about the prophecy, that Luffy would have a good reason to destroy FI and that he would move everyone using Noah. I didn't realize that the quote had that much meaning, I'm thinking about going through the rest of the story just to find more.

Though first of all we only know what one of the ancient weapons truly looks like and that is Poseidon. One of the other two is supposed to be a warship that only Franky has the chance of building. Also we could assume that the weapons will have a connection to the greek gods that they take their names from. Poseidon was quite simple, the ability to speak to the sea kings. Pluton and Uranus on the other hand might be harder. Taken from the OP wikia(because I don't remember anything from school)

"Pluto ruled the underworld and all the dead; Poseidon was the ruler of the sea and land; and Uranus was the personification of the heavens. "

With that it sounds like Pluto is connected to underground, Poseidon to the sea, and Uranus to the sky.

Though that doesn't make sense since Pluto is supposed to be a ship, at least from what we know.

I think Uranus might be a plane, or possibly since we are talking about theories here. Uranus could be in space, there's already a picture that shows the planet and the moons surrounding it. That along with Oda being inspired from Dragonball, the Tenryuubito's looking like they have space suits on, Enel's side story, and a couple of other things that I can't recall right now, it could be connected.

Also I think there's some mystery with the Tenryuubito's too.

XXXX said:
The AK was a big kingdom, it ruled over almost the whole world (just like WG does now). They apparently also had a pretty-advanced civilization. One could say that there’s almost nothing they couldn’t achieve with everthing they got at the time.
The question is how advanced were they and how would they lose to WG if they were that advanced. I think the story of that kingdom's fall isn't as straight forward as we think, it could be full of deceit and other trickery.

XXXX said:
However they had an issue. As we know, the planet of OP contains of big four seas, east, west, north, and south, each were separated by the Red Line and the Grand Line. The AK saw Red Line and Grand Line as a big obstacle because they have been been preventing people from traveling from one sea to another, thus preventing the AK from reaching its full prosperity as well.
We could also say that the WG wanted to keep them seperate because it's easier to manga and to control the people. Having full freedom like what the plan wanted would not be what the WG wanted.

XXXX said:
Unexpectedly, The AK has anticipated their downfall. Before the war begun they had carved historical notes on these certain metals which as hard as diamond(later called the poneglyphs) and hid them throughout the world, along with the weapons they’ve built. The AK really wanted to make sure that their desire wouldn’t die in case of anything bad happened to them.

the WG was mad with this fact and completetely prohibit any form of poneglyph dechipering.

but it's too late, the will has been passing through ages since then… silently waiting for someone to recieve the massage.
Another question is if the WG knew of the poneglyphs, why would they leave them alone. Surely keeping them under government watch or throwing them into the waterfall at Enies Lobby could hide them.

XXXX said:
800 years has passed, a pirate named Roger sucessfully reach Raftel and discovered the true history. He knows exactly what to do, but unfortunately his body didn’t allow him to… he had this incurable disease, remember? whereas the project needs a lot of power and time to complete, 2 things that Roger didn’t have that time.

Therefore, he decided to create The Golden Age of Piracy instead, hoping that there will appear someone who is strong and righteous enough to complete the massage in his place.

Who will be that ‘someone’? I think we all know the answer. :D
I thought this too, the reason why Gol D Roger let himself be captured and spoke at his execution was to start the Grand Pirate age. And then Whitebeard continued it and kind of renewed it when he spoke at his death.

XXXX said:
At least 6 of Strawhats’s dream will be accomplished because of these achievement.

Luffy -> he wanted to be the pirate king, “the man who has the most freedom in the ocean”. now that the ocean has been united, Luffy has literally achieved this feat.

Sanji -> it's obvious, he finally found the All Blue

Nami -> now that the entire ocean is free to sail, drawing world map is not so impossible anymore

Franky -> same reason with Nami, Sunny now can travel all over the world

Robin -> all of this happened because she found out the true history

Brook -> Ever wonder how Brook will return to the Twin Cape to meet Laboon? It seems impossible because the reverse mountain was in the way. But now, it’s GONE! They’ll meet again with ease, Bink’s Sake will be played along their emotional reunion. It will be a perfect moment.
Though I could have sworn that Zeff said that he saw All blue or knew that it existed.

And I thought Franky's dream was to have Sunny travel throughout the world. Traveling the Grand Line and to Raftel would mean that he would have conquered all of the elements and his ship would be possible to go anywhere.

Brook getting to Laboon wasn't impossible, he just wanted to go the full way around because that was his promise. Other ships, including the Sunny probably could have made it through the calm belt and he could have just gone up the reverse mountain again.

XXXX said:
This mermaid… she didn’t lie at all. nor she’s wrong. She was actually foreseeing the event we’ve been talking about : the project of One Piece. And It is indeed Luffy who will trigger the event.


The ancestor of FI were actually well awared of this upcoming event.

How so? Here’s another theory : Joy Boy, he was actually the king of the AK.


Ok I know that sounds so random. There’s a theory for that but let’s save it for later…


Like a said, destroying both reverse mountain and fishman island is a must to complet the project. Therefore, King Joy Boy made a proposal of destroying FI to the former mermaid princess, Poseidon. She agreed but as an exchange she asked Joy Boy to move her people to a better place on the surface. Joy Boy gave a nod and started building Noah Arc afterwards.

Joy Boy managed to finish Noah but short after his kingdom lost a great battle against the 20 kingdoms. The promised cannot be fullfilled and he apoligized to Poseidon through poneglyph. However he still promised her “that day” would eventually come in the future, the day when fishmen and mermen live under the sun.

(You see that Oda used the another “golden pattern” again here)
Hmmm well if Joy Boy was the king then how could he meet with the past Poseidon, and how would his apology, the poneglyph get there.

And I think at least some of the members of the AK are still alive, maybe at Raftel.
Mar 25, 2013 1:59 PM
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Ok, I gave this theory a chance and read it. Yes, all makes sense, but I still think there are some missing pieces.

First one: Joy Boy the king? No.

Second: What? Brook can't meet Laboon? I was giving credibility to this theory, but after seeing this, sir, this lost all the credibility. Brook can meet Laboon anytime he wants, he just doesn't want to go all the way back.

And the most fatal problem. All Blue will be created? No! Of course not! If All Blue WILL be created, how can a lot of people say that they saw the All Blue (like Zeff), or better, who would have any idea of what is All Blue if it never existed?

And this "Poseidon will be the police of fish" was even funny.

Well, if you remove those parts, the theory will be pretty consistent.
Mar 26, 2013 2:34 PM
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lupadim said:
First one: Joy Boy the king? No.
Did you see where he got the idea? He talks about it in the link you posted. I know Oda is one to use some references and real world places in his story.

lupadim said:
Second: What? Brook can't meet Laboon? I was giving credibility to this theory, but after seeing this, sir, this lost all the credibility. Brook can meet Laboon anytime he wants, he just doesn't want to go all the way back.
I don't think that should make the whole theory's credibility crumble. A lot of it is built quite nicely.

lupadim said:
And the most fatal problem. All Blue will be created? No! Of course not! If All Blue WILL be created, how can a lot of people say that they saw the All Blue (like Zeff), or better, who would have any idea of what is All Blue if it never existed?
Do you remember when he said that? I thought the same thing, but can't place where I heard someone say that they knew it existed.

lupadim said:
And this "Poseidon will be the police of fish" was even funny.

Well, if you remove those parts, the theory will be pretty consistent.
Yeah the police fish sounded kind of weird. But if all the walls are removed and the calm line is no more, then how would they stop the sea kings going around eating people. It seems like his police fish thing was meant to solve that problem, but it doesn't sound very complete.
Mar 26, 2013 4:10 PM
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IntroverTurtle said:
lupadim said:
First one: Joy Boy the king? No.
Did you see where he got the idea? He talks about it in the link you posted. I know Oda is one to use some references and real world places in his story.

lupadim said:
Second: What? Brook can't meet Laboon? I was giving credibility to this theory, but after seeing this, sir, this lost all the credibility. Brook can meet Laboon anytime he wants, he just doesn't want to go all the way back.
I don't think that should make the whole theory's credibility crumble. A lot of it is built quite nicely.

lupadim said:
And the most fatal problem. All Blue will be created? No! Of course not! If All Blue WILL be created, how can a lot of people say that they saw the All Blue (like Zeff), or better, who would have any idea of what is All Blue if it never existed?
Do you remember when he said that? I thought the same thing, but can't place where I heard someone say that they knew it existed.

lupadim said:
And this "Poseidon will be the police of fish" was even funny.

Well, if you remove those parts, the theory will be pretty consistent.
Yeah the police fish sounded kind of weird. But if all the walls are removed and the calm line is no more, then how would they stop the sea kings going around eating people. It seems like his police fish thing was meant to solve that problem, but it doesn't sound very complete.


Because Poseidon can only communicate with the big and evil fish like the king of seas
Mar 26, 2013 4:21 PM
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lupadim said:
IntroverTurtle said:
lupadim said:
First one: Joy Boy the king? No.
Did you see where he got the idea? He talks about it in the link you posted. I know Oda is one to use some references and real world places in his story.

lupadim said:
Second: What? Brook can't meet Laboon? I was giving credibility to this theory, but after seeing this, sir, this lost all the credibility. Brook can meet Laboon anytime he wants, he just doesn't want to go all the way back.
I don't think that should make the whole theory's credibility crumble. A lot of it is built quite nicely.

lupadim said:
And the most fatal problem. All Blue will be created? No! Of course not! If All Blue WILL be created, how can a lot of people say that they saw the All Blue (like Zeff), or better, who would have any idea of what is All Blue if it never existed?
Do you remember when he said that? I thought the same thing, but can't place where I heard someone say that they knew it existed.

lupadim said:
And this "Poseidon will be the police of fish" was even funny.

Well, if you remove those parts, the theory will be pretty consistent.
Yeah the police fish sounded kind of weird. But if all the walls are removed and the calm line is no more, then how would they stop the sea kings going around eating people. It seems like his police fish thing was meant to solve that problem, but it doesn't sound very complete.


Because Poseidon can only communicate with the big and evil fish like the king of seas
I knew that, why did you mention it?
Mar 26, 2013 5:07 PM
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IntroverTurtle said:
lupadim said:
IntroverTurtle said:
lupadim said:
First one: Joy Boy the king? No.
Did you see where he got the idea? He talks about it in the link you posted. I know Oda is one to use some references and real world places in his story.

lupadim said:
Second: What? Brook can't meet Laboon? I was giving credibility to this theory, but after seeing this, sir, this lost all the credibility. Brook can meet Laboon anytime he wants, he just doesn't want to go all the way back.
I don't think that should make the whole theory's credibility crumble. A lot of it is built quite nicely.

lupadim said:
And the most fatal problem. All Blue will be created? No! Of course not! If All Blue WILL be created, how can a lot of people say that they saw the All Blue (like Zeff), or better, who would have any idea of what is All Blue if it never existed?
Do you remember when he said that? I thought the same thing, but can't place where I heard someone say that they knew it existed.

lupadim said:
And this "Poseidon will be the police of fish" was even funny.

Well, if you remove those parts, the theory will be pretty consistent.
Yeah the police fish sounded kind of weird. But if all the walls are removed and the calm line is no more, then how would they stop the sea kings going around eating people. It seems like his police fish thing was meant to solve that problem, but it doesn't sound very complete.


Because Poseidon can only communicate with the big and evil fish like the king of seas
I knew that, why did you mention it?


He can't be the police of the sea because Poseidon can only control king of seas probably, which is not useful.

So this theory is wrong, because:

- Poseidon has no use
- All Blue already exists (otherwise no one would have seen it yet)
- Brook can visit Laboom he just doesn't want to go all the way back
- Joy Boy as the king? Nooooo
- And Laboom would be killed with the explosion
Mar 26, 2013 5:31 PM
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lupadim said:
IntroverTurtle said:
lupadim said:
IntroverTurtle said:
lupadim said:
First one: Joy Boy the king? No.
Did you see where he got the idea? He talks about it in the link you posted. I know Oda is one to use some references and real world places in his story.

lupadim said:
Second: What? Brook can't meet Laboon? I was giving credibility to this theory, but after seeing this, sir, this lost all the credibility. Brook can meet Laboon anytime he wants, he just doesn't want to go all the way back.
I don't think that should make the whole theory's credibility crumble. A lot of it is built quite nicely.

lupadim said:
And the most fatal problem. All Blue will be created? No! Of course not! If All Blue WILL be created, how can a lot of people say that they saw the All Blue (like Zeff), or better, who would have any idea of what is All Blue if it never existed?
Do you remember when he said that? I thought the same thing, but can't place where I heard someone say that they knew it existed.

lupadim said:
And this "Poseidon will be the police of fish" was even funny.

Well, if you remove those parts, the theory will be pretty consistent.
Yeah the police fish sounded kind of weird. But if all the walls are removed and the calm line is no more, then how would they stop the sea kings going around eating people. It seems like his police fish thing was meant to solve that problem, but it doesn't sound very complete.


Because Poseidon can only communicate with the big and evil fish like the king of seas
I knew that, why did you mention it?


He can't be the police of the sea because Poseidon can only control king of seas probably, which is not useful.

So this theory is wrong, because:

- Poseidon has no use
- All Blue already exists (otherwise no one would have seen it yet)
- Brook can visit Laboom he just doesn't want to go all the way back
- Joy Boy as the king? Nooooo
- And Laboom would be killed with the explosion
You're trolling, you have to be. I'm saying that it's the sea kings that will be the most trouble if the wall comes down.

I never said the theory was correct, I said parts of it were probably correct.

- Yes Posiedon has a use, she can speak to Sea Kings, They are a huge force with millions of them all over the planet which she can instruct to do whatever she wants. I believe it was said that they can take out islands, in a war they would be the best force attacking from the water. She will probably use them to take all the fishman off the island using Noah.
- We don't know that yet, and you still haven't found where Zeff said it exists. Either way we haven't seen it, so it's not 100% yet.
- One hole in a theory doesn't make it completely wrong.
- Did you read what he said in the link? Or else we ain't talking about this.
- How do you figure that? If Luffy and the rest go over there to destroy the wall, Brook would meet Laboon and he would probably agree to stand back until they do it. Either way that's not a hole because there are many ways that Laboon could agree to move or he could already be dead, etc.
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Smashing argument: Imagine Luffy stopping all hes adventure to run an engineering project. Simply not Luffy

WINS
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lupadim said:
Smashing argument: Imagine Luffy stopping all hes adventure to run an engineering project. Simply not Luffy

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It's not stopping it, it's part of it. If it's needed to get to One Piece and to achieve their dreams then he would do it.
Mar 26, 2013 8:23 PM

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I got nothing to discuss.. this theory.. is fucken win. Its believable, in depth, evidential, everything!

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Raven-san said:
I got nothing to discuss.. this theory.. is fucken win. Its believable, in depth, evidential, everything!
Yeah though I read the whole thread wherer it was originally posted.

http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38205

And they did poke holes in some of the parts. Like why would people know of All Blue already if it hadn't been made and why would this be big enough to wipe a kingdom out of history and start a big war.
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IntroverTurtle said:
Raven-san said:
I got nothing to discuss.. this theory.. is fucken win. Its believable, in depth, evidential, everything!
Yeah though I read the whole thread wherer it was originally posted.

http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38205

And they did poke holes in some of the parts. Like why would people know of All Blue already if it hadn't been made and why would this be big enough to wipe a kingdom out of history and start a big war.


Beause the theory is wrong.
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lupadim said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Raven-san said:
I got nothing to discuss.. this theory.. is fucken win. Its believable, in depth, evidential, everything!
Yeah though I read the whole thread wherer it was originally posted.

http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38205

And they did poke holes in some of the parts. Like why would people know of All Blue already if it hadn't been made and why would this be big enough to wipe a kingdom out of history and start a big war.


Beause the theory is wrong.
Not completely wrong, probably just parts.
Mar 28, 2013 10:42 AM
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Epic theory. And people say One Piece is simple. Idiots
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IntroverTurtle said:
lupadim said:
IntroverTurtle said:
Raven-san said:
I got nothing to discuss.. this theory.. is fucken win. Its believable, in depth, evidential, everything!
Yeah though I read the whole thread wherer it was originally posted.

http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38205

And they did poke holes in some of the parts. Like why would people know of All Blue already if it hadn't been made and why would this be big enough to wipe a kingdom out of history and start a big war.


Beause the theory is wrong.
Not completely wrong, probably just parts.


Just half. The only thing that made sense to me is the part where Luffy destroys the fishman land and Noah is used to transport people. But this is the second half, and as it depends from the first half to make sense, sorry
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I thought the theory was very ingenious. Made a lot of sense to me, except the whole everyone realizing their dream part.
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Interesting thing is while looking up stuff on Pluto, I found that it's not completely uncommon for a ship to be named Pluton. And I found one that was named Pluton but also took part in the battle of Trafalgar. Pretty interesting.

And I need someone who knows a lot about greek mythology. There's something about Uranus that sounds like it could possibly be important to the story.
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There is something missing here, Luffy could also hear all creatures voice,, just like Roger.. So far, it is showed twice if I am not mistaken, during Warship Island (where Luffy can understand/hear the Sennenryu) and Fishman Island (where he heard the sea monsters told him to stop destroying Noah).. None of mugiwara crews aware of it (this including Luffy), maybe Rayleigh doesn't even aware Luffy would have this power.

So, both Poseidon and Luffy can control the Sea Monster. Is Poseidon power just like that? Then, Luffy could've just done it alone without Poseidon though, so I think Poseidon has something more to do here. Then, what is the role of Luffy's one mysterious power here? Hmmmm~ Loooooooooong way to go for all of this to be revealed ><
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eminaran said:
There is something missing here, Luffy could also hear all creatures voice,, just like Roger.. So far, it is showed twice if I am not mistaken, during Warship Island (where Luffy can understand/hear the Sennenryu) and Fishman Island (where he heard the sea monsters told him to stop destroying Noah).. None of mugiwara crews aware of it (this including Luffy), maybe Rayleigh doesn't even aware Luffy would have this power.

So, both Poseidon and Luffy can control the Sea Monster. Is Poseidon power just like that? Then, Luffy could've just done it alone without Poseidon though, so I think Poseidon has something more to do here. Then, what is the role of Luffy's one mysterious power here? Hmmmm~ Loooooooooong way to go for all of this to be revealed ><
Well Warship island was a filler, so try not to count on that too much. But it is true that he probably has it since they showed that he understood the sea kings and I won't be surprised if that has something to do with the story later. Rayleigh might know, I mean he spent like a year and a half with him on Ruskaina surrounded by animals that Luffy eventually became friends with. He could have seen Luffy interacting with the animals, maybe Luffy uses it subconsciously. Or since he figures Luffy is so similar to Roger he might expect it.

Correction, Luffy can't control the sea kings. He can hear them but not control them. It's Poseidon that can can call and speak to them and they recognize her as their queen(that's why she can control them, not just because she can hear them).

Well Roger was able to using that power be able to kind of undestand foreign written words, mostly the poneglyphs. And then write them, later on Robin found the words and then Rayleigh confirmed that Rober had that all voices power. We haven't seen luffy do that yet, though I don't know if he ever actually saw one. He was too busy fighting Crocodile in Alabasta, he just had the strength to punch the bell connected to the poneglyph in Skypia, and he never went into that sea forest in Fishman Island.

I think it might have something to do in the story later, maybe it will be like parsel tounge in Harry Potter. Maybe he will talk to some mythical beast later, or it might help them communicate or read something when they get to Raftel.
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A pretty great theory actually, if you are correct you are gonna be so happy in 10 years or so :P

I personally think luffy with fight with big mam on fishman island, that battle will big enough to fuck the enitre island up i'm sure xD though i do think it serves a much greater purpose because of where it is, they could tie in together though, a greater purpose and battling with big mam.
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Honestly I think One Piece is just something symbolic. It unites pirates and their dreams. Perhaps it is just Roger's will. It represents exploration, freedom, and sailing the New World. Pretty much is the anti-theory in that it is as simple as it gets. And the Pirate King is crowned because he is acknowledged as the strongest by defeating the strongest people in the world. So therefore the King Pirate holds the One Piece. And perhaps as a side note if someone were to kill the King he would inherit it.

But then again I could be wrong. One thing is for sure, I really wanna know what it is and what will happen at the end of One Piece. I mean wow talk about anticipation after all of these years.
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I'm going to try to forget this immediately cause I don't see any flaws in this.
just wow.
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It actually makes a lot of sense considering they are waiting for the day when fishermen can live above on earth alongside humans.
With fisherman island destroyed, Luffy could take everyone on fishermen island up on Noah.
I love this theory, but hate it at the same time.
I really like the idea of Luffy protecting an island, so would prefer for them to go up, and than get their own island.
It's just cool, especially if they build an army.
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Honestly I think One Piece is just something symbolic. It unites pirates and their dreams. Perhaps it is just Roger's will. It represents exploration, freedom, and sailing the New World. Pretty much is the anti-theory in that it is as simple as it gets. And the Pirate King is crowned because he is acknowledged as the strongest by defeating the strongest people in the world. So therefore the King Pirate holds the One Piece. And perhaps as a side note if someone were to kill the King he would inherit it.

But then again I could be wrong. One thing is for sure, I really wanna know what it is and what will happen at the end of One Piece. I mean wow talk about anticipation after all of these years.
How could someone get it if they have to kill the king? Roger is dead.

And whitebeard said One Piece does exist. And as far as we know, Roger was the first pirate king. We already know it has to do with the ancient kingdom, the void century, etc.

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I'm going to try to forget this immediately cause I don't see any flaws in this.
just wow.
That's what I first thought, but if you read the link provided somewhere on the front page, users where it was originally posted did find some holes in it. Also there's a lot that we don't know.
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Excelent theory

It does makes sense in many points, and i believe in fact it's correct at least some part of it.

Maybe things turn out in a different way because we can never know what Oda is planning since he's really impredictable, but yeah rlly well done.
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IntroverTurtle said:

How could someone get it if they have to kill the king? Roger is dead.

And whitebeard said One Piece does exist. And as far as we know, Roger was the first pirate king. We already know it has to do with the ancient kingdom, the void century, etc.


Well yes the King is dead but how in the world do you think Roger became the king in the first place when there was no king to kill before then (supposedly)? He became the king because he dominated everyone and proved that he was the strongest pirate sailing the seas. And I guess he explored further than anyone else, that seems rather important as they bring it up a lot.

Whitebeard saying One Piece does exist would make sense even if it were symbolic. It would represent the dream of every pirate to explore and become king and sail the seas freely. To say One Piece doesn't exist would be to deny the dreams of a lot of pirates and probably even prevent newbies from joining the ranks. Symbolically it would exist just as much as it would if it were some sort of Token Roger left on the last island or something.

In fact, maybe what One Piece symbolically represents is every dream of every pirate, no matter what the dream. It's something that unites them even if they are rivals and enemies.

Now your right in saying the void century and ancient kingdom and secrets of the Navy and World Government obviously have a ton of importance in the series. But I have yet to find any conclusive evidence that they have anything to do with One Piece (I only watch the anime). At most they've only hinted that these things are important.

Anyways this is sort of me playing devil's advocate here. I mean it would be a bit underwhelming if One Piece was entirely symbolic. At least it would have to be handled very tastefully, we might not even mind if the story and adventure of Luffy becoming king is so intense and amazing.

One thing I do hope for is that the series won't end right when Luffy becomes king. I want to see at least one arc where he IS the king and has to deal with a lot of the big kahunas. Perhaps maybe even lead a war just as Whitebeard did before him and Roger likely did before Whitebeard.
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I think One Piece is a cookie.
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Wow, I find this believable... Is it true? Well only Oda knows.
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My fanboy self agrees with you on the idea that the theory is amazing beyond belief, but since it has some months already, there's actually a specific thread about it. And anyway this doesn't belong to the Anime Discussion board.
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One Piece confirmed for being the journey and friendships you made along the way.
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Nice copy paste skills.
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dont you say sherlock holmes. everyone knows that, all that is easily predictable (at least for me it was)
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i didn't know that it was here.

Sorry for that Every One.

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It's a macguffin. /thread
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I wouldn't be surprised if it's something lame like this.
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I haven't really searched around or read alot of theories but I gotto say, most of this seems spot on. Really amazing thought out theory to say the least.
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Good theory but still.. Oda is a genius. No one knows what a genius is thinking.
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Good theory but still.. Oda is a genius. No one knows what a genius is thinking.
I agree, I think part of this might be correct but definitely not all of it.
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Now that I've given more thinking about this. I have to disagree that they will destroy Red Line. Surely they will destroy Fishman Island and Mariejoa but why should they destroy Red Line? To unite all the sea? What for? Especially when they can already move to other sea (Sanji isn't originally from East Blue but he could go there).

And...

Surely Luffy isn't the only one who went to Grand Line for the sake of adventuring and to become a Pirate King. If they destroy Red Line, there won't be Grand Line or New World anymore. Surely that will destroy many people's dream. There won't be any new Pirate King anymore (Now that everyone can go anywhere).

Also...
If that's One Piece, why didn't Rayleigh or Shanks or other members of Roger Pirates do it? Something to do with Will of D.? Whitebeard knew about One Piece and he had Ace in his crew.

If One Piece is really a project to destroy the Red Line, I don't think Pluton is needed to do it. Whitebeard had the power to destroy the world. Red Line should be nothing if he used his full power.

Oh yeah, you might say Whitebeard only became a pirate because he only wanted a family. It's true but he could still have his family even after destroying Red Line.
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FlameWingman21 said:
Now that I've given more thinking about this. I have to disagree that they will destroy Red Line. Surely they will destroy Fishman Island and Mariejoa but why should they destroy Red Line? To unite all the sea? What for? Especially when they can already move to other sea (Sanji isn't originally from East Blue but he could go there).

And...

Surely Luffy isn't the only one who went to Grand Line for the sake of adventuring and to become a Pirate King. If they destroy Red Line, there won't be Grand Line or New World anymore. Surely that will destroy many people's dream. There won't be any new Pirate King anymore (Now that everyone can go anywhere).
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What r u saying, this is the Dream, this is One Piece.
and so what if people can go every Now, the idea is to make traveling easier to people, Besides There wasn't Any Pirate King before him, he made him self King to motivate every one to search for it, so that someone that deserve the title of a King can follow his Will His (D).ream.
That is The Truth that he discovered On the poneglyph.

And one more thing WhiteBeard is NOT interested In One Piece Or anything else, Only Thing he wanted Is FAMILY.
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What r u saying, this is the Dream, this is One Piece.
and so what if people can go every Now, the idea is to make traveling easier to people, Besides There wasn't Any Pirate King before him, he made him self King to motivate every one to search for it, so that someone that deserve the title of a King can follow his Will His (D).ream.
That is The Truth that he discovered On the poneglyph.

And one more thing WhiteBeard is NOT interested In One Piece Or anything else, Only Thing he wanted Is FAMILY.
This is a theory about what is One Piece, it is not One Piece. I'm 100% sure he didn't get everything right. Oda isn't the type of writer to allow that.
He didn't make himself king, they called him a king. He was surprised when they called him pirate king. The only thing he did was purposely get caught to start the pirate age and to help spread his will.

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Now that I've given more thinking about this. I have to disagree that they will destroy Red Line. Surely they will destroy Fishman Island and Mariejoa but why should they destroy Red Line? To unite all the sea? What for? Especially when they can already move to other sea (Sanji isn't originally from East Blue but he could go there).
And what would happen to the sea kings and the weather if they do that. No doubt the red line affects the currents or whatever. That whole sea king police thing does not sound true.

FlameWingman21 said:
If that's One Piece, why didn't Rayleigh or Shanks or other members of Roger Pirates do it? Something to do with Will of D.? Whitebeard knew about One Piece and he had Ace in his crew.
Remember Rayleigh said something about how they learned what the void century was, but Roger can't read the poneglyph. And that Robin could come up with a different answer. I believe there is a secret way behind the secret way. Maybe instead of blowing up the red line they learn that there's a different way or something like that.

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If One Piece is really a project to destroy the Red Line, I don't think Pluton is needed to do it. Whitebeard had the power to destroy the world. Red Line should be nothing if he used his full power.
I think there's some big secrets with Pluton and Uranus. I already have a theory about what Uranus is.
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What r u saying, this is the Dream, this is One Piece.
and so what if people can go every Now, the idea is to make traveling easier to people, Besides There wasn't Any Pirate King before him, he made him self King to motivate every one to search for it, so that someone that deserve the title of a King can follow his Will His (D).ream.
That is The Truth that he discovered On the poneglyph.

And one more thing WhiteBeard is NOT interested In One Piece Or anything else, Only Thing he wanted Is FAMILY.

It'll be a big problem if Grand Line is gone. You know Grand Line has weird weather. Now think what'll happen to islands like Drum. Do you think a winter island in the middle of the sea is possible in a normal sea? No, only in Grand Line things like that can happen.

And not only Drum island that will be in trouble. Little Garden, Elbaf, Wano are also in trouble now that everyone can visit it.

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FlameWingman21 said:
Now that I've given more thinking about this. I have to disagree that they will destroy Red Line. Surely they will destroy Fishman Island and Mariejoa but why should they destroy Red Line? To unite all the sea? What for? Especially when they can already move to other sea (Sanji isn't originally from East Blue but he could go there).
And what would happen to the sea kings and the weather if they do that. No doubt the red line affects the currents or whatever. That whole sea king police thing does not sound true.

FlameWingman21 said:
If that's One Piece, why didn't Rayleigh or Shanks or other members of Roger Pirates do it? Something to do with Will of D.? Whitebeard knew about One Piece and he had Ace in his crew.
Remember Rayleigh said something about how they learned what the void century was, but Roger can't read the poneglyph. And that Robin could come up with a different answer. I believe there is a secret way behind the secret way. Maybe instead of blowing up the red line they learn that there's a different way or something like that.

FlameWingman21 said:
If One Piece is really a project to destroy the Red Line, I don't think Pluton is needed to do it. Whitebeard had the power to destroy the world. Red Line should be nothing if he used his full power.
I think there's some big secrets with Pluton and Uranus. I already have a theory about what Uranus is.

That's why I disagree with this theory.

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