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Dec 22, 2012 4:49 PM
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Laevantein said:
Someone please explain, does the Sibyl System only has one parameter that is the height level of Crime Coefficient to decide he/she is the villain?


Yes, that is the only parameter, it scans your mind and determines your mental state and what level of enforcement to use.
Dec 22, 2012 4:59 PM

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They just had to killed those girls with a better rack than the female protagonist did they?
Dec 22, 2012 9:28 PM

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Good episode but seriously she should just have dropped the Dominator, steadied her aim and blown his head off. Oh well, wouldn't have been that much suffering if that would have happened, would it?
YES IT WOULD! One of those shards reaches her friend's head and it could be thee end of her. Remember each shell of the rifle has tiny rounded balls flying at least at 1400FPS (Feet Per Second) with that speed one of them is enough to kill her friend depending on the entry point. WTF wants to risk that even.

Based on her position and that of the enemy, it would be impossible without Yuki taking some of them small balls with her body.

Too much of a risk and Sybil might make her crime coefficient worse.

It was way too much of a risk to take. The guy was too close to Yuki. Now if she would push him somehow instead of fearing him then maybe. Sadly never happens. Yuki is pinned down and scarred to death whom comes to her anyway.


I realize it was a shotgun so it's not exactly the best weapon for the situation, but I'm fairly certain that this was as good as the worst outcome possible.
Actually it's not a shotgun cause it has no pump. It's a double barrel rifle. Unlike a shotgun you need to recharge and cannot pump to do so and insert the same way the shells as quick as a shotgun. So it's actually not the best at all but what's good about it is that a dual shot could be possible.

So, if those 2 shots would reach the bad guy then yes it would guarantee better a kill than a shotgun's shot cause the more frags from a shot the higher the chances one of them will kill him in the weak points of the body.

That being said, a handgun would be better off IMO.


Stop pretending like you know more than you actually do. This is a shotgun a typical over/under. I own a similar gun.

Otherwise when Yuki meet her terrible end I was one to mutter out 'fuck' as the event happened. After this I have great expectations of what Akane will do with this case. This episode has defiantly got me even more excited for what is to come.
Dec 22, 2012 9:37 PM
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I did not own a gun like that, but I played many FPS game .
double barrel shotgun doesn't need pump xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e_CzIHvvNY

For me, I think Akane will fall into trauma and she might start working in the office instead .
Dec 23, 2012 2:24 AM

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How is it possible for him to have such a low crime coefficient?!


From what I can tell, Makishima doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing. He wasn't showing any signs of aggression, or mental instability. Sibyl's analysis probably saw Makishima killing Yuki, like a normal person killing a bug.

same happened with Ouryou Rikako
but her crime rating was 400+
Dec 23, 2012 2:42 AM

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FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!
F*** U Makishima Shougo!!!
How dare you make my Akane suffered like that, arghhh
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JReitan said:
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oh, and about you reply, throughout the classic musical scene(along with the warfare reminiscing effect) they made it sure you can here the background sound effects along with his laugh, yet i can't hear any gun cocking or something

Once again, director's choice. While it's certainly possible, (that the director simply forgot because of his inexperience or general stupidity), it's not necessarily the case. It's also possible that the director felt that he didn't want any other audio other than the music, his laughter, and his echoing footsteps. Adding the sound of a shotgun being loaded and cocked may or may not distract the audience from these 3 main things.

Basically, it's possible that he thought it would have been too distracting. After all, the main point of that montage of clips was to express hunter-kun's obssession with feeling alive through the beauty of violence. While adding the sound of a shotgun being loaded and cocked might add to that montage, it's certainly possible that it might also be too distracting from beauty of the musical piece mixed with his laughter.

If this seriously bothers you to the point of obsession, edit the video through a video editing program yourself and add the reloading sound yourself. You may find that it is too distracting from the music.


important note: one basic thing truly for anime viewers nowadays to expand their line of thinking is accept pointed flaws to their favorite, obsessed and loved shows (i love Psycho)
no show is perfect, and the inattention to detail i pointed out is so important (for me) that is certainly could affect how would you interpret a scene

lets say for example,
1. cyborg-kun is such an idiot for still pointing that gun and acting to shoot, there's no bullet in it dumbass
2. akane is going to be trolled. i'm sure of it. Makishima will spam troll face all over. i mean. that gun ain't even loaded. (well i'm even sure the gun is reloaded by Makishima himself or it will be pointless)

the thing is, some reasoning really needs to mature, and this is just one big cover up, a reasoning from own perspective because i've pointed something i don't like to a show OH you surely like

as for me, go spam how flawed my favorite shows, go spam how absurd the things i like are, i'll accept, i'll even agree to you sometimes, atleast it'll open my mind to things myself haven't seen or overlooked from million of times i've rewatched it

P.S.
Kirei and Kiritsugu have their command seals still missing in those respective scenes even when released on Blu-ray

Your thoughts are everywhere, so it's difficult to respond to you now.

I'll say it again, the montage of clips in hunter-kun's walking scene indicates a passage of time. So, if you couldn't catch the implication that he's reloaded by now, even when I've mentioned it, then I think that's just your fault.


oh? my thoughts are everywhere now for you eh?
that's because all i've said up to now leads to the fact that you can't accept the notion of the things i've pointed. no matter how much you sugar coat you own thoughts, it can't deny you being naive or conceited as to accept that the things i've pointed out in this spectacular episode are logical, sensible and reasonable
it's either you're being over protective of the series itself, over analyzing every little thing, or you really just can't accept it (pride maybe)

as for
JReitan said:

AmberFebruary said:
as for me, go spam how flawed my favorite shows, go spam how absurd the things i like are, i'll accept, i'll even agree to you sometimes, atleast it'll open my mind to things myself haven't seen or overlooked from million of times I've rewatched it

Who the hell do you think I am?


i am pertaining to the whole MAL community who would read my post, (the you i used there doesn't mean it just refer to you, it pertains to the ones who'll read it) or are you really that great enough to think you can represent them all


important note: roricon-fan will be missed, i kinda get how feels sometimes, exchanging words with this hard-headed ones
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Dec 23, 2012 3:38 AM

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Yumekichi11 said:

This really hits the pits cause Shougo does not register at all with the system. If anything he is DNA/Brain altered. This is impossible that the system does not react to him. At worst he has Admin privileges of the Sybil system and where he may be registered as part of the creating team.


It'd be better if there's a problem with the system itself. Take enforcers, they cannot be called bloodthirsty criminals. I think the story will develop that way. and the moral lesson of the cartoon will be that machines cannot rule human soul or something similar.
Dec 23, 2012 7:49 AM

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So sad..... But nice episode
Dec 23, 2012 8:04 AM
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Best anime of the season
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AmberFebruary said:
oh? my thoughts are everywhere now for you eh?
that's because all i've said up to now leads to the fact that you can't accept the notion of the things i've pointed. no matter how much you sugar coat you own thoughts, it can't deny you being naive or conceited as to accept that the things i've pointed out in this spectacular episode are logical, sensible and reasonable

Your thoughts are everywhere mainly because you bring all of MAL into the conversation when the conversation is simply between you and me. You don't have to do such a thing.

Also, this is your thought process:

A) I believe that the montage of short clips + music indicates a long passage of time.
B) I must be sugarcoating the director's mistakes.
C) I must be wrong, and hunter-kun never reloaded.

Your logic is flawed. In B, you're already implying that I'm wrong, which leads you to conclude C, that I'm wrong. This makes no sense.

Prove to me that A is wrong, (that the montage of short clips + music does not indicate a long passage of time), and then you can conclude that I might be sugarcoating the director's mistakes from there.

AmberFebruary said:

i am pertaining to the whole MAL community who would read my post, (the you i used there doesn't mean it just refer to you, it pertains to the ones who'll read it) or are you really that great enough to think you can represent them all

Once again, this between you and me only. I don't represent the whole of the MAL community.
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JReitan said:
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oh? my thoughts are everywhere now for you eh?
that's because all i've said up to now leads to the fact that you can't accept the notion of the things i've pointed. no matter how much you sugar coat you own thoughts, it can't deny you being naive or conceited as to accept that the things i've pointed out in this spectacular episode are logical, sensible and reasonable

Your thoughts are everywhere mainly because you bring all of MAL into the conversation when the conversation is simply between you and me. You don't have to do such a thing.

Also, this is your thought process:

A) I believe that the montage of short clips + music indicates a long passage of time.
B) I must be sugarcoating the director's mistakes.
C) I must be wrong, and hunter-kun never reloaded.

Your logic is flawed. In B, you're already implying that I'm wrong, which leads you to conclude C, that I'm wrong. This makes no sense.

Prove to me that A is wrong, (that the montage of short clips + music does not indicate a long passage of time), and then you can conclude that I might be sugarcoating the director's mistakes from there.


ok. lets say i really have made some mistakes with my argument. here is the greatest facepalm eh. (my card which i've been holding which basically you didn't notice)

at around 6:30 he reloads while running

then he fires one shot at Ko running

and then fires another again when shot by the dominator

now the bullets are spent

now, here is the good part, he immediately make his way to run after Ko and point his gun
where what i think he should immediately have done is reload the gun


ok, lets say you win with montage of short clips + music indicates a long passage of time argument

my point from the get go, my very first post about this, is that does that shot gun has unlimited bullets because the whole shoot out scenario shows not implied so

and as i have said with my other posts, i'm an anime idealist, if i could relay my notions about the current state of the industry and its viewers with this kind of discussion i would gladly do so
besides, this is what this forum threads are about in general are about, having discussions with fellow anime fans

btw, let's do this Zetsuen-no-mind-game style

let's say i can't prove that your so called theory "with montage of short clips + music indicates a long passage of time is the time as you have said where he could have reloaded the gun which basically lead him to point to akane's friend" is a bluff and just (for me) you're own way of covering up for the director's/storyboard-ist inattentive-ness
how can you prove to me that it isn't? how can you prove that he may really have loaded the gun at that time?
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Dec 23, 2012 9:06 AM

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It was clear that he pointed an unloaded shotgun at Kougami after he shot him straight in the chest. Whether or not that can be called a mistake if debatable. Nevertheless, I understand that the shotgun was not loaded at that point.

AmberFebuary said:
how can you prove that he may really have loaded the gun at that time?

However, the main question of discussion is whether or not he loaded the shotgun afterwards. While I cannot prove that he did, I can prove that it is implied. The montage of clips that fade into one another, the music, his footsteps, and the sounds of warfare all imply not only that much time is passing by, but also that he's ready to shoot Kougami as soon as he sees him. Both of these implied things lead us to make the further implication that he's reloaded the shotgun, or else it would be ridiculous that he is so ready to shoot Kougami.

AmberFebruary said:
now, here is the good part, he immediately make his way to run after Ko and point his gun
where what i think he should immediately have done is reload the gun

Going back to when he tried to point an unloaded shotgun at Kougami, it's honestly not that big a deal. Hunter-kun isn't blind, he knows he shot Kougami. And what does a hunter do after he shoots his prey? He checks to see its condition; dead, injured, or fatally wounded. (I think its also clear that hunter-kun knew that Kougami was at least fatally wounded, since a lot of blood spewed out of his chest.) However, Kougami isn't say, a deer. He's a wolf with sharp fangs. Hell, he's bitten off hunter-kun's entire arm off at this point. If you were in hunter-kun's position, would you not raise your weapon out of instinct if you went over to the wolf's body to check its condition, even though you knew it was fatally wounded? He was a little scared, so what? It shouldn't bother the viewing experience unless you have a problem with people being scared and acting realistically.

Stupid? Yes. Unrealistic? No. Director's mistake? Even if it was, it worked.
Dec 23, 2012 9:14 AM

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Great episode. Makishima is the sickest for sure.
Dec 23, 2012 10:34 AM

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Arguing about whether he reloaded the gun or not, id say its a bit overboard xD

I didn't even notice that, but i would say he didn't load it and was maybe just holding it up as a bluff? or maybe he was gonna hit him with the gun :P

But it could just as easily, no, more easily be that it was a directors mistake.

Either way i don't give a fuck, it doesn't affect anything at all in the show >.< and with everything that happened it is majorly insignificant and doesnt effect the plot nor my enjoyment of the show.

Directors of good shows can make mistakes xD maybe the director forgot to show him reloading, maybe he was never meant to have reloaded at all. meh >.<
jimbob1141Dec 23, 2012 10:42 AM
Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead?
Dec 23, 2012 10:56 AM

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:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHAT DID I JUST WATCH????????

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BEST EPISODE
Dec 23, 2012 11:12 AM

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Really nice music choice during the duel. Especially in the end, when the cyborg approached the barrels to look behind them the lyrics "Alle Menschen müssen sterben" was sung, which would translate to "All humans have to die". I really thought of this as a foreshadowing of him getting killed even though he had those immortality fantasies.
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JReitan said:
It was clear that he pointed an unloaded shotgun at Kougami after he shot him straight in the chest. Whether or not that can be called a mistake if debatable. Nevertheless, I understand that the shotgun was not loaded at that point.

AmberFebuary said:
how can you prove that he may really have loaded the gun at that time?

However, the main question of discussion is whether or not he loaded the shotgun afterwards. While I cannot prove that he did, I can prove that it is implied. The montage of clips that fade into one another, the music, his footsteps, and the sounds of warfare all imply not only that much time is passing by, but also that he's ready to shoot Kougami as soon as he sees him. Both of these implied things lead us to make the further implication that he's reloaded the shotgun, or else it would be ridiculous that he is so ready to shoot Kougami.


that's my point, it would really, utterly be ridiculous. its a blunder. but still your implied reasoning is still subjective and there is no concrete proof (as if it'll has)
the thing with your reasoning is your working backwards. your interpreting a scene to complement your target goal. that is that he may have reloaded the gun. giving yourself self-gratification
now interpreting it as it happens, as them not showing him reload the gun, you have a senile cyborg-kun trying to kill w/ shot-less shotgun


JReitan said:
AmberFebruary said:
now, here is the good part, he immediately make his way to run after Ko and point his gun
where what i think he should immediately have done is reload the gun

Going back to when he tried to point an unloaded shotgun at Kougami, it's honestly not that big a deal. Hunter-kun isn't blind, he knows he shot Kougami. And what does a hunter do after he shoots his prey? He checks to see its condition; dead, injured, or fatally wounded. (I think its also clear that hunter-kun knew that Kougami was at least fatally wounded, since a lot of blood spewed out of his chest.) However, Kougami isn't say, a deer. He's a wolf with sharp fangs. Hell, he's bitten off hunter-kun's entire arm off at this point. If you were in hunter-kun's position, would you not raise your weapon out of instinct if you went over to the wolf's body to check its condition, even though you knew it was fatally wounded? He was a little scared, so what? It shouldn't bother the viewing experience unless you have a problem with people being scared and acting realistically.

Stupid? Yes. Unrealistic? No. Director's mistake? Even if it was, it worked.


it worked for others but its bugging for me. unrealistic? oh sure it was, no hunter in the world would go for a kill w/ a bulletless gun. besides if he immediately have not seen kougami wasn't there(didn't he even consider he himself would drop dead if kougami was there pointing the Dominator at him and he has a shot less gun), he could immediately retrace his steps to a safe corner and reload the gun, but no, he continued because his gun was loaded (w/c shouldn't be)
you have an excuse with the issue above, implications or so on
but this one? no.

Now why others would wonder why they're two people discussing about whether the gun is loaded or not
Its because its that simple yet the staff managed to neglect

didn't they thought about it that if a person not as smart as i'm talking to right now would not assume and interpret what he have seen as a ridiculous narrative of a shoot out
or maybe i myself am stupid for not assuming


anyways, i still like this show (you can clearly see for the score i have it for now). Makishima especially. He's this show's raison d'etre for me. this one still remains a flawed yet entertaining mid-type thought provoking spectacle
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jimbob1141 said:
Arguing about whether he reloaded the gun or not, id say its a bit overboard xD

I didn't even notice that, but i would say he didn't load it and was maybe just holding it up as a bluff? or maybe he was gonna hit him with the gun :P

But it could just as easily, no, more easily be that it was a directors mistake.

Either way i don't give a fuck, it doesn't affect anything at all in the show >.< and with everything that happened it is majorly insignificant and doesnt effect the plot nor my enjoyment of the show.

Directors of good shows can make mistakes xD maybe the director forgot to show him reloading, maybe he was never meant to have reloaded at all. meh >.<


finally. someone who didn't try to overlook what i tried to point out
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Dec 23, 2012 11:35 AM
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damn this, and the last episode reminded me of the saw movies! Such a thrilling theme and event! Poor Yuki, she was just a civilian.
Made me wonder, if joining an investigation organization might set your friends in danger. In that position I'd rather be the enforcer than the friend of one.
R.I.P Yuki.

btw I wonder where those bullets she shot went.. and why mr.cyborg didn't shoot Yuki behind those barrels to begin with. His reflexes should've won the fight between that and surprise.



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AmberFebruary said:
the thing with your reasoning is your working backwards. your interpreting a scene to complement your target goal. that is that he may have reloaded the gun. giving yourself self-gratification
now interpreting it as it happens, as them not showing him reload the gun, you have a senile cyborg-kun trying to kill w/ shot-less shotgun

You're actually wrong there. One does not need to work backwards, (although one may), in order to figure out the implications I've mentioned. I, for one, have in fact figured it out while I was watching this episode for the first time.

AmberFebruary said:
it worked for others but its bugging for me. unrealistic? oh sure it was, no hunter in the world would go for a kill w/ a bulletless gun.

He wasn't going for the kill. He was checking Kougami's condition.

AmberFebruary said:
besides if he immediately have not seen kougami wasn't there(didn't he even consider he himself would drop dead if kougami was there pointing the Dominator at him and he has a shot less gun), he could immediately retrace his steps to a safe corner and reload the gun, but no, he continued because his gun was loaded (w/c shouldn't be)
you have an excuse with the issue above, implications or so on
but this one? no.
Like I said before, hunter-kun knows he blew off a part of Kougami's chest. Kougami is not in a state to fight back against hunter-kun, even if hunter-kun's shotgun is not loaded quite honestly. And remember, those dominators always take a long time to charge up and shoot.


Let's get this straight. Are you saying that if you were Kougami, you would lay there on the ground and try to fire the dominator even though hunter-kun is right there? Kougami was not in a state to fight, he had to run away, and hunter-kun knows this. Thus, seeing that Kougami is not there anymore means Kougami is going to run away in order to hide and recover. Retracing his steps in order to reload in safety is meaningless; hunter-kun has the upper hand.
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I pity Tsunemori for having to helplessly watch her friend's death. It was obvious she will miss with both bullets. After that I was sitting here shouting "Throw that fucking Dominator on him, brake his head with that shit!"

lol, i was thinking the same exact thing xD

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ok JReitan is pointless to talk with. superficial reasoning for every single thing. no, over analyzing every single thing to the point of absurdity. like adding his own perception to a series that doesn't even convey as such.

jimbob1141 i salute you, someone who likes the show yet able to accept it. its so simple yet others are just self-gratifying themselves

i guess i'll go back and just do comment-comment talks with my intellectual MAL friends. atleast they're sensible to talk with.

i may look defeated but no. its just that i'm wasting my time saving a life beyond salvation.

adios. enjoy the days living in lies that world still haven't ended. the government just covered it up.
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Welp, Akane blew it, litterally. That Makishima, man. How the hell could that guy's crime coefficient lower after he just cut a girl?!

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Welp, Akane blew it, litterally. That Makishima, man. How the hell could that guy's crime coefficient lower after he just cut a girl?!


Probably because he truly believes what he is doing is good.
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ok JReitan is pointless to talk with. superficial reasoning for every single thing. no, over analyzing every single thing to the point of absurdity. like adding his own perception to a series that doesn't even convey as such.

jimbob1141 i salute you, someone who likes the show yet able to accept it. its so simple yet others are just self-gratifying themselves

i guess i'll go back and just do comment-comment talks with my intellectual MAL friends. atleast they're sensible to talk with.

i may look defeated but no. its just that i'm wasting my time saving a life beyond salvation.

adios. enjoy the days living in lies that world still haven't ended. the government just covered it up.


looks like you just believe that we have to accept something because no show is perfect, not because the argument is valid, or is the only interpretation there, and that doesn't make sense at all.
I'll just accept something when the argument is valid, not because i have to criticize the show, and that's not your case.
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Best episode so far, now I truly understand this show is amazing

And this Makishima Shougo... In this world with Sybille, he is just Godlike
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I don't know about you guys but I was thinking that Akane should try to capture him so she can use him as a guinea pig in order to discover why Sybil doesn't work on him and then perfect the system...

Maybe my CC is cloudy...

They made us hate Makishima. But we also understand him. That makes him a good villain
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Rather predictable unfortunately.

Actually, we actually were able to predict this outcome already. Oh well. Need to try harder to surprise me lol. Makishima, I am disappoint. You need to try harder.

Still good episode though.
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Wow, now that's what I call an intense episode


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Onyxthegreat said:
Welp, Akane blew it, litterally. That Makishima, man. How the hell could that guy's crime coefficient lower after he just cut a girl?!


Probably because he truly believes what he is doing is good.


Actually, what he is doing is not necessarily "evil" like he said. He was clearly demonstrating some flaws of the Sybil system. Even the creators of the Sybil System should be grateful to him. He just demonstrated to them that the system has some bugs and needs some fix if possible. Alas, the flaw might be fundamental and impossible to fix without having some serious changes.

Other than the fact that he plays the role of the "antagonist", there is nothing "evil" in his actions.

Another alternative path this series could take, although boring, is that Makishima actually has control over the Sybil System, as could be suggested by the first episode. That is a possible but boring path as well.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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Awesome episode! I still cant belive that he killed poor Yuki.
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I love the fact that Cyborg guy is dead and Kougami destroyed the robot dog.
Hate the fact that Kougami got hurt so bad he failed at saving Akane's friend Yuki.
Hostage situation I hate it especially when the gun can't shoot ahhhhhhh
Makishima WTF are you ur psycho level hues goes down when harm instead of rising?
Wow I was in panic every time his numbers kept going down.....stupid Dominator!!!
When Makishima sliced her throat I was in shocked he killed someone slashed barfed
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Well, I just picked this up and caught up. Pretty good episode, I wonder how Akane's psycho pass level is going to look now. I knew that Makishima wouldn't be able to be read by the dominator. While a lot of crazy nut-cases you can easily tell if they are psycho or not there is always that group that can truly do the most worst deeds calm and without a care in the world.

Poor girl though, after Kougami went through all that to keep her safe in the end she was used in one of Makishima's "tests" or games and died.

Great episode though!


AmberFebruary said:
jimbob1141 said:
Arguing about whether he reloaded the gun or not, id say its a bit overboard xD

I didn't even notice that, but i would say he didn't load it and was maybe just holding it up as a bluff? or maybe he was gonna hit him with the gun :P

But it could just as easily, no, more easily be that it was a directors mistake.

Either way i don't give a fuck, it doesn't affect anything at all in the show >.< and with everything that happened it is majorly insignificant and doesnt effect the plot nor my enjoyment of the show.

Directors of good shows can make mistakes xD maybe the director forgot to show him reloading, maybe he was never meant to have reloaded at all. meh >.<


finally. someone who didn't try to overlook what i tried to point out


This is anime, doesn't have to make sense.
Although I will say this, while they may not have shown him reload it. The moment before he only shot ONCE. So there was at least another shot in the barrel.(I know she shot twice though.)
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Dec 24, 2012 4:18 AM
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Really good episode probably the best so far (IMO). I think Akane's character is gonna be different because that was the first time we saw her that way. I can't wait to see how her character develops.
Dec 24, 2012 4:30 AM
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Really nice music choice during the duel. Especially in the end, when the cyborg approached the barrels to look behind them the lyrics "Alle Menschen müssen sterben" was sung, which would translate to "All humans have to die". I really thought of this as a foreshadowing of him getting killed even though he had those immortality fantasies.


Actually the lyrics are : "Alle Menschen werden Brüder", which means "All humans become brothers".

And yes, great episode. Right now I hate Makishima even more. I wonder what will happen to Akane, what will be her other friend's reaction when she learns what exactly happened. I can't wait for the next episode.
Dec 24, 2012 8:45 AM

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perhaps the best episode so far.
Dec 24, 2012 10:21 AM
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1. Predicted that someone will able to cheat sybil system. (or whatever it was clalled). Cuz it detect high ratings if u lose your sanity and dont think anymore normally. But in case of Makishima, his murderous ,cunning attitude is actually a normal way of thinking for him. Thats why system couldnt detect him as "insane"

2.Akane was wimpy indeed.. overrating this system so much... letting machines decide everything as "police" likish job is total shit..

Well.. thats what happens if world is fully controlled and managed by tech.. instead of people thinking for themselves..

-.- and akane should dropped domiinator and close in with shotty to kill or hit that guy at least. instead of holding with 1 hand low ranged weapon and shooting randomlly..
Dec 24, 2012 1:58 PM
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2.Akane was wimpy indeed.. overrating this system so much... letting machines decide everything as "police" likish job is total shit..

Well.. thats what happens if world is fully controlled and managed by tech.. instead of people thinking for themselves..

-.- and akane should dropped domiinator and close in with shotty to kill or hit that guy at least. instead of holding with 1 hand low ranged weapon and shooting randomlly..


I think she was under so much pressure that she didn't know how to react properly. Her character is of cunning intelligence, and she's not that kind of girl to shit her pants over a spider. Probably wanted something exciting to be a part of her life, and that's why she chose to join the bureau.

In most cases she would be able to react in a very firm manner, but be reminded that:
Not everyone can act like a super-hero when under a lot of pressure. Even more when your friends lives are decided through your actions.

She probably thought that moving too rapidly would cause mr.evil-doer to kill Yuki instantaneously, and I don't blame her because she probably haven't been in this kind of a situation before.

TL;DR... Stress and pressure can do many things to a human, don't expect too much of them in this state of mind.
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Dec 24, 2012 2:53 PM

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Damn, I didn't like that this innocent girl died, I really wanted so bad the usual cliche of saving the day at the last second, but as excepted of the director NO MERCY.

omfg this

Also, have you ever noticed the symbolism of snow?

Akane's friend's name is Yuki. Yuki means snow. Snow fell as this episode ended. She was pure, yet the Sibyl System didn't protect her and viewed her murder as something justified.
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YES! FUCK YOU LIGHT YAGAMI! FUCK YOU!!!!!!!
Dec 24, 2012 4:34 PM

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I hate it when people are taken as hostage


me too.. deeply angers me... this show is highly effective at pushing my buttons. such quality.
Dec 24, 2012 4:40 PM
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Akane's friend's name is Yuki. Yuki means snow. Snow fell as this episode ended. She was pure, yet the Sibyl System didn't protect her and viewed her murder as something justified.


Yup. That was the whole point Makishima was trying to demonstrate to Akane.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
Dec 24, 2012 5:29 PM

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I love Makishima.
Dec 24, 2012 6:04 PM

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What's the BGM when Senguuji is looking/fighting Kougami? Thanks.
Dec 24, 2012 7:09 PM

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But the 0 crime coefficient was really exaggerated -.-
haha seriously that was ridiculous. All-around awesome episode though. Dat Makishima, such an intriguing character.

Also gotta say, I really love how they make slight changes with the ending depending on how the episode ends, it always flows so well. The lovely songs helps too of course <3
Dec 24, 2012 11:30 PM

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Amazing. The best episode I have seen of anything in quite some time. Yuki's death was just simply fantastic. I was thinking either he wouldn't actually kill her or somebody saves her at the last second.

I feel so exhilarated from all of that despair. Oh man this is great.
Dec 25, 2012 12:15 AM

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You stupid bitch holy shit. She literally just stood there and did nothing while her friend died. That was brutal.

I was really starting to like Yuki adn then boom.

Damn it.

Kogami was pretty cool at least.

Fuck they really made Makishima a character you badly want to see die.

Dominator was freaking useless if he's got an exploit. That's why they should have traditional weapons too, but she wouldn't use it. Even if it messed up her coefficient to use it. How could she just watch her friend die. I mean wow.
Dec 25, 2012 2:15 AM
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5/5 that was great. What a troll, about to kill someone and his psycho pass is at 10. I was thinking that that'd probable also be the case if they tried to measure Johan's pp.
I was at the edge of my seat.
Poor Akane, will she end up in the dark side?
Dec 25, 2012 7:03 AM

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I like this : D Finally an anime with some balls :3

Dec 25, 2012 10:14 AM

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The best episode so far. I could really feel the characters' emotions. Makishima was kinda cool (not sure why I like sadist characters) and I really felt bad for Yuki, poor girl, it was clear she would die the second she appeared in these 2 episodes. I'm really curious about Makishima's "ability". Maybe it has no importance, but I felt like his crime coefficient got lower the closer he was to killing Yuki, I wonder if it means something. After all, I doubt they would just throw 0 crime coefficient like that in this episode without a meaning. Anyway, this episode made me raise my rating, I wonder how it will change until the end. Either way, this show is on the best way to my favourites list if it keeps this up. But I'll leave thinking about what to kick for the last 2 episodes. XD
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