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| So Eureka is traveling from burst to burst? The ending to this episode was quite bad... Elena got so annoying and Ao spouting some nonesense. "I want to stay with you" and everyone else -.- The nirvash should have shot the gun. This really needs a S2 and they need to make sure that its understandable. This series has been really hard to grasp on what exactly is going on. |
hotdamnbatman said: QuiGonJon said: So I just figured out that it seems Naru's trying to keep the timeline going to what would be the original Eureka 7 timeline. Not sure if this is new or if it was obvious and I was slow. So Elena's from the 80's, was jumped to the future to save her, and brought back but in 2020? Huh. Also, maybe Elena would calm down if they told her that where she thinks she's from isn't another world, but just the future. And dang, Elena needs to chill :P I loved when she thought Ao was confessing to her and realized what he meant, he "are you kidding me" -_- face was just great xD Kinda felt bad for her. I wonder whats going to happen to this show, I hope it doesn't turn out too disappointing :/ Hopefully it will go into a second season instead of trying to wrap it all up, but it's kind of hard to see what direction it would go in. Earth got wiped out in the original timeline and most of humanity died and the survivors had to flee. In the original timeline yeah but that hasnt happened yet. In Ao humanity doesnt really have the technology or resources to make a major migration from earth. |
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| So... timelines, huh. But are there dimensions? I didn't get that. |
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| Can this ambiguously brown brat be quite possibly any more annoying? E7 Ao masterplan: "Let's make obnoxious children pilot military grade machinery!" Meanwhile at Bones studio:  |
| Wierd. I generally disliked last episode (one more people seemed to buy in to), but liked this one significantly more; they really played into Elena's mentally unstable and deluded personality much more than I was expecting - she was so obsessed with the otherworldly imagery she held in her memories from the short time she was with Eureka, that she had deluded herself into believing she was from the future timeline herself, and became obsessed with the fantastical as a result - so that, I liked. Not much I didn't like about this episode, to be honest, other than the contrived little speech that Ao gave at the end, but given the type of show it is, it was more or less completely expected. Also, with three episodes left, I'm almost positive there's going to be more to this series; don't count on seeing Renton until 24, if at all, this season. Anyways, sticking to this perspective, as expected, I enjoyed the episode a lot more than I otherwise would have. |
DangerrSep 21, 2012 1:41 PM
| Naru eating dinner with her family caught me off-guard and even if she's an "terrorist" now, or at least that's how she is referred by the media it's nice to see how much she seems to have matured when compared to the start of this series. It looks like both Naru and Fleur are diving into poltical issues now. While Naru acts as an mediator between humans and and the Scub Corals, Fleur has to represent Pied Piper in negotiations with Japan. The main theme of a "fake" world gets featured once again. Nakamura is determined to change the world, the main factor why he cooperated with Truth as both of them think of the world as false though it is not certain how he will influence future events from now on as he seems to become less important not only plotwise but also regarding his status in military affairs. Elena has been developing an obsession with an alternate world she deems to be her home when the reality she is imaging is actually fake, a product of her desires for a fantastic and unordinary place because she is bored with reality which is why she takes comfort in manga and anime. I suspect she is supposed to represent peole in the real world who want to escape their from their point of view ordinary life. |
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Freigeist said: Naru eating dinner with her family caught me off-guard and even if she's an "terrorist" now, or at least that's how she is referred by the media it's nice to see how much she seems to have matured when compared to the start of this series. Now these turn of events I wasn't expecting, though it makes sense; with Pied Piper and Japan now being anti-scub, and with the rest of the world going pro-Scub, it makes perfect sense that the Coalition would ally itself to Naru, and likewise, herself with them -- whatever it takes to help out the Scub Coral, as she would see it. As far as her newfound "maturity" goes, I think a lot of it has to do with her connection to the Scub Coral, as she's essentially taken in an amount of knowledge and insight that's far beyond what she normally could have accomplished by her age. ALSO: Elena's way too genre-savy to not realize that she's just been friend-zoned. Big time.  |
DangerrSep 21, 2012 1:33 PM
| What was that? What? I really, really hoped that they will not play with parallel realities. It brakes all the world of E7 into stupid variations. Since the beginning I was telling that this was going to go bad, but did not think that it will go so bad. I think, we have a winner in nomination of most meaningless show of the year. No, Disappointment of the year would be more accurate. |
a_guestSep 21, 2012 4:22 PM
| Was it just me or the part of the mecha truth came out looked like a vagina? |
| Im just wondering, would you have a different perspective on these latest episodes if you knew that there was going to be a season 2? Hopefully Renton shows up to help Ao defeat truth because now Truth seems more op than ever... |
| Ugh.. Ao's hesitance with the quartz gun is irritating to see. I'm not anxious to see the how the ending will be. |
| Can such a dream truely exist? |
Dangerr said: Freigeist said: ALSO: Elena's way too genre-savy to not realize that she's just been friend-zoned. Big time. Lol, even the helmet changed..... |
| This entire series just fails in so many ways, also the characters are completely unlikable; this episode just furthered that thought. Dangerr said: Freigeist said: ALSO: Elena's way too genre-savy to not realize that she's just been friend-zoned. Big time. Lol, even the helmet changed..... One of the few good parts of the episode lol |
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DangerMouseDM said: InfiniteDestiny said: This entire series just fails in so many ways, also the characters are completely unlikable; this episode just furthered that thought. I totally disagree on this, most of the "hero" characters are totally likeable, the only character on their side that fluctuates in likeability naturally is Elena who I find very likeable at times and then less so at others like in this ep she expectedly fluctuated between both (and perhaps Naru mostly because of her scenes early in the show with Truth), the entire Gen Bleu team in my opinion from Ao, Fleur, Ivica, Rebecka, Gazelle's group, Christophe, even minor ones like the head mechanic and even Georg remained consistently likeable. You can say whatever you like but if we were to take a poll how many do you think would vote this series to be a disappointment and failure compared to its prequel? Do you honestly think it matches up? Fact is it doesn't match up and hasn't even felt like a sequel, as bad as Renton was in the earlier parts of E7 he was still better than Ao; and Eureka was incomparably better than any of the girls in this series. Don't even get me started on the relationships either; since E7 actually did it properly while here we have at best the MC chasing the crazy chick. You want to talk about actual likable characters? rewatch E7 and then tell me which cast is better. |
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| Sigh.. This series just keep going down hill. I wonder if we are really going to have to wait until Feb to watch 23-24 though. |
| Just a general observation - many people in this thread seem to be knocking Elena's inconsistent emotions in this episode, but hasn't the show made a constant point that she's very mentally unstable, going so far as to exhibit bipolar tendencies and dissociative identity crises? This series has treated me to plenty of dilemmas as far as my suspension of belief has gone, but this episode didn't seem to be a great offender, in that respect. Given the current pacing of the series, if in three episodes it's just the end, I'd probably be joining you guys in the doom and gloom, but given the vast breadth of how much they have yet to address, if this studio has any trace of self-respect left, I could not see them utterly destroying this franchise in the manner that would beset itself if this came to be (not counting those who would claim its reached that point long ago). I'll be just as pissed and disappointed, if this is actually what happens, as the next individual; until that point, however, I guess I've just chosen to adopt the glass half-full approach to my viewing - again, I found myself to enjoy this last episode substantially more than I otherwise would have, if I viewed it as one of the penultimate episodes leading up to the series finale. Should I have to adopt this mindset in order to enjoy a television series? Hell no. If they've planned on doing a S2 this entire time, they've made a major mistake in not relaying that to the audience properly, ahead of time; I mean, I can understand wanting to instill a sense of mystery and suspense when heading into the mid-season finale, but this perspective that this could very well be the series finale is seriously and irreparably damaging some people's perception of the franchise. And that's only -if- they're prepping a second season. Either way, they've churned out a flawed product, and I'm almost certainly going to bump my score down a notch, either way - I shouldn't have to make concessions for myself in order to enjoy a tv series, but that's what it's come to. Damn it Bones, be more transparent about this shit! |
DangerrSep 21, 2012 7:19 PM
| This episode was a pretty good one, but as each episode goes by, I want Ao to shoot that cannon more and more. He really needs to, might help put the world on track. I think the Elena scene was pretty well made, but I wish it would have lasted longer, like maybe going into the next episode? I feel like that would have made it more dramatic. So Elena isn't actually from the world of PoP. I guess she got obsessed with the idea that there was something about her that was different, because she saw the PoP world (Which I believe is the future, correct me if I'm wrong on this). It kind of fits Elena's character though if you think about it. I mean she's an otaku who is obsessed with the idea that there is something inherent about her that makes her different, like she could be a "main character" and then she goes into denial about being from the same world as everyone else. So she was technically born 40 years before the series started? Trippy... But I still wish we knew what her real name was. She stole the name from the real Elena Peoples right? Because that Elena Peoples really died. She needed an identity to exist in the future world. But she was 10 when she was brought from the past? She has to have so many memories of the Eighties... that could be interesting... Elena is still easily my favorite character. She's hard to grasp and file into a particular category. She's probably the deepest character in the show as well... I prefer her to Anemone honestly... Still Truth pops up and doesn't really do anything. Seriously Ao needs to blow his face off with the cannon, I presume that it will probably happen soon... |
| They need to show Renton already, thats the only thing worth looking forward to in this show anymore. |
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InfiniteDestiny said: They need to show Renton already, thats the only thing worth looking forward to in this show anymore. Again, I wouldn't expect that till 24; he's obviously going to save the day in some sort of big way, and if my gut instinct is correct, it's probably going to segue into the final credits with this track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR0kfW6_K0o&feature=plcp <CUE ANNOUNCEMENT OF S2> /nervous laughter |
Dangerr said: InfiniteDestiny said: They need to show Renton already, thats the only thing worth looking forward to in this show anymore. Again, I wouldn't expect that till 24; he's obviously going to save the day in some sort of big way, and if my gut instinct is correct, it's probably going to segue into the final credits with this track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR0kfW6_K0o&feature=plcp <CUE ANNOUNCEMENT OF S2> /nervous laughter That would be awesome. |
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Tyrel said: Dangerr said: InfiniteDestiny said: They need to show Renton already, thats the only thing worth looking forward to in this show anymore. Again, I wouldn't expect that till 24; he's obviously going to save the day in some sort of big way, and if my gut instinct is correct, it's probably going to segue into the final credits with this track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR0kfW6_K0o&feature=plcp <CUE ANNOUNCEMENT OF S2> /nervous laughter That would be awesome. Literally too good to be true, unfortunately. Rarely did even the original series have such moments of satisfying payoff, bar episodes 26 and 50. I mean, such a moment in AO would be massive fan-pandering, but come on, at this point, I think we've earned it. |
| Here's my thoughts on Elena. In Episode 18, I think Elena's speech at Miller's "grave" was quite interesting and it goes to add more to her character. It's like she's stuck in her own world and she wants someone to help her, and to talk to her but she doesn't want to bring it up herself. I definitely like that aspect to her character (maybe because she's my favorite but who knows?) I believe that Elena did physically kill Miller. Miller was living a double life as being a singer/spy and Elena in the process of trying to find her own identity stumbled upon Miller who was also walking the identity line and drew her in. She may have found out that Miller was a spy and killed her right away, and then saw the opportunity to become her. By adapting Miller's persona Elena was able to run away from her own identity problems. Then when she finally moves on and buries the wig it signifies the end of her running/denial phase and begin the acceptance of her identity and the quest for the knowledge of her origins so that she can finally move on. Elena has always worn a "mask" of sorts. She has a dual personality the cheerful otaku girl, and the temperamental killer. Maybe that's why she is so in to anime and the like. It could be for her what it is for many otakus, escapism. She's trying to avoid answering the big questions in her life and which of her "masks" she wants to be her true face. I wouldn't put it past bones incorporating a characters otakuness into her character and overall character development. I mean Talho's outfit at the beginning of PofP was even part of her character development. In fact it works quite similar to Elena's problems, trying to avoid reality. It's for this reason that I sincerely believe that Elena is the deepest character in the show. Just throwing that out there! |
| dear god finally a remotely coherent episode... |
| Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember her, you are not alone. |
InfiniteDestiny said: best part of the episode besides Naru just randomly eating with her family lol,then there's Truth just coming out of no where being all kill kill shoot shoot i'm gonna destroy everything rawr!! ... where are you Renton.This entire series just fails in so many ways, also the characters are completely unlikable; this episode just furthered that thought. Dangerr said: Freigeist said: ALSO: Elena's way too genre-savy to not realize that she's just been friend-zoned. Big time. Lol, even the helmet changed..... One of the few good parts of the episode lol |
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| Today's theory: Renton is the sloth. Thank you and good night. Hahaha. |
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| Bones is not doing too well with trying to keep this show alive while the manga is still on hiatus. I hate to say it but this wont have a proper ending and i dont think there is enough support to redo the series after the manga is through like FMA brotherhood. I just hope they can piece some sort of hope to leave the series open but also give a proper ending. |
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Dangerr said: Just a general observation - many people in this thread seem to be knocking Elena's inconsistent emotions in this episode, but hasn't the show made a constant point that she's very mentally unstable, going so far as to exhibit bipolar tendencies and dissociative identity crises? This series has treated me to plenty of dilemmas as far as my suspension of belief has gone, but this episode didn't seem to be a great offender, in that respect. Given the current pacing of the series, if in three episodes it's just the end, I'd probably be joining you guys in the doom and gloom, but given the vast breadth of how much they have yet to address, if this studio has any trace of self-respect left, I could not see them utterly destroying this franchise in the manner that would beset itself if this came to be (not counting those who would claim its reached that point long ago). I'll be just as pissed and disappointed, if this is actually what happens, as the next individual; until that point, however, I guess I've just chosen to adopt the glass half-full approach to my viewing - again, I found myself to enjoy this last episode substantially more than I otherwise would have, if I viewed it as one of the penultimate episodes leading up to the series finale. Should I have to adopt this mindset in order to enjoy a television series? Hell no. If they've planned on doing a S2 this entire time, they've made a major mistake in not relaying that to the audience properly, ahead of time; I mean, I can understand wanting to instill a sense of mystery and suspense when heading into the mid-season finale, but this perspective that this could very well be the series finale is seriously and irreparably damaging some people's perception of the franchise. And that's only -if- they're prepping a second season. Either way, they've churned out a flawed product, and I'm almost certainly going to bump my score down a notch, either way - I shouldn't have to make concessions for myself in order to enjoy a tv series, but that's what it's come to. Damn it Bones, be more transparent about this shit! amen |
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| Finally subs got released, time to watch! Truth appears at last second, Elena went hay-wired yet again, but now she's back to her old self. Different time as we suspected, not a different world. Lol Elena saw the heart on the moon thinking it was a new world, but it was Renton and eureka love heart.. |
TyrelSep 22, 2012 2:19 AM
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| 3 more ep to go? NOOOO! Watching this feels like torture. |
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
| This episode was meh could have been so better and so I'm angry that the dude wasn't Renton so I guess that means we will never see Renton. And Elena is nothing but a rage quitting bitch and so now her and Ao are going to be a couple which it seems like. |
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| Elena is just a problem child.... Meh..... This episode felt like a episode from your common shonen anime..... 3.5/5 |
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| Well, that's it. I lost all my faith in Bones. First DtB2 and now this. I would have accepted this if it didn't have Eureka Seven on title but they deemed to put that name on AO. There are so many problems I tried to ignore but now this is something impossible. Truth, Naru, Eureka... I pretty much doubt Bones... No, it is impossible for Bones to give a proper conclusion to this in 3 episodes unless they have a second season planned. Right now my score is 7 and if they continue like this it will go to 6. |
| Oh Elena, you poor poor child. I feel so sorry for you... yeah not, at least not that much. Dangerr said: I'll admit that part was hilarious.Freigeist said: Naru eating dinner with her family caught me off-guard and even if she's an "terrorist" now, or at least that's how she is referred by the media it's nice to see how much she seems to have matured when compared to the start of this series. Now these turn of events I wasn't expecting, though it makes sense; with Pied Piper and Japan now being anti-scub, and with the rest of the world going pro-Scub, it makes perfect sense that the Coalition would ally itself to Naru, and likewise, herself with them -- whatever it takes to help out the Scub Coral, as she would see it. As far as her newfound "maturity" goes, I think a lot of it has to do with her connection to the Scub Coral, as she's essentially taken in an amount of knowledge and insight that's far beyond what she normally could have accomplished by her age. ALSO: Elena's way too genre-savy to not realize that she's just been friend-zoned. Big time. |
Raigerzero said: There is no way this series can be cleared up in a satisfactory manner within 3 more episodes. Either they really screwed up this sequel or there is a season 2 surprise, which as I believe Dangerr and others have mentioned should have/be announced earlier. There are questions, some large and some small, that I and the rest of us have been asking for a long time now that need time to answer - time which appears to not be present. The only reason I've found that Bones would be in the dark about an S2 at this point, as I read elsewhere, would be padding out the disc count (JP release), putting it at 9 discs a season rather than the 16-17 you'd normally see for an entire 48 episode series. So, basically, money. At this point, I'll take it, but it still frustrates me. |
| So it turns out that Elena read to many manga and got dissappointed when her origin wasn't as exotic as she expected? A bit lame after all the foreshadowing we've had from her character. So I guess now she'll help AO fight Truth or what? Why does Naru even keep reappearing in this show? No one cares for her character any more? Most people are just holding on for a Renton and Eureka appearance. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| well it seems that, the plot is thickening so to speak I wonder tho if through piloting Maggie's old machine would she regain all of her memories, and does the latter happen for the rest of team Goldilocks? also what the deal with Naru now she is a freedom fighter by day, vilian by night> haha last: true shame that they are waiting this long on the intro for Renton:(( |
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