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| *sigh* okay after reading/skimming through everything said so far I'll try to be as brief and objective as possible and at the same time I'll try and link it to how I found this episode. ^^ This episode has dealt with alot of sensitive issues. It has explored the difficulty of separation, the birth of relationships, the ethics of age restrictions, to say the least. When watching ef, I think we must put aside our own beliefs and ethics on which our own culture and society has built for us. It's not to forget about them but rather to view and understand this show as it stands with an open mind so that we can fully appreciate the meaning that it tries to convey to us. Indeed, so far it has challenged many views of what it right and wrong, supported by the lengthy discussion spanning the past 3 pages. Until we have been given the full story, while debate, speculation and the like is something that I'm sure is welcome, making assumptions and not accepting others is only demonstrating a closed minded approach to the show and a stubbornness without a cause. I think that one of the messages of this episode is to remind us that love does not always come easy. There are many hardships and obstacles that one must overcome (ef S1 is a good example of that, particularly renji-chihiro side). Not only age, but possibly time as well. But if you demonstrate the willingness and determination to love with maturity and honesty, it should overcome any and all social and cultural obstacles, 'til death do we part'. I think that maturity is not a matter of age or body. The age of 18 is something that society, particularly western society has in reality only given us as a guide to our growth. It is not our age that determines who we are, it is our experiences and our memories and I think ef S1 has made that quite clear (Chihiro had a mind of a 12 year old but her diary/metaphor for her memories connected her from yesterday's self with tomorrows). Everyone is an individual and their age should not bind them for who they are. Why should age become a barrier that disrupts the natural rhythms of the world? If they are aware of the consequences of their actions, then we have no right to tell them that they are not old enough or if they are doing the wrong thing. Who are we to judge other people's lives when all we can see are our own perception of it? What right do we have to push our ideals onto others just because of our own setbacks and bad experiences? Our own perception of life and what we have experienced does not become the basis of what is right or wrong in the world. Who are we, one human out of over 6 billion to judge for all? There may not always be a single simple answer for everything and in many cases, there are no simple answers at all. It is something that has been left up for interpretation and should always be left up for interpretation. Since I've bored you with my half-assed half-completed essay/rant you probably stopped reading after the first paragraph (XD), there's just some things I'd like to point out specifically. Terribly sorry if it's already been covered! angel999 said: LOOK MAN! Your arguing is assumption at most so you want more details....FINE! Should he die the trauma on Mizuki will be so great that she will suffer for the REST OF HER LIFE. If you saw first season and know that she reads a certain type of manga then YOU SHOULD KNOW MORE her fragile personality. Psychology 101 learn it. WHEN HE DIES Mizuki will suffer and I did not speculate HE IS GOING TO DIE. Your arguments are just irritating and nor have any good premises to support them. "Should he die the trauma on Mizuki will be so great that she will suffer for the REST OF HER LIFE." Don't be a hypocrite mate. That's an assumption and you know it. It doesn't matter what happened in season one, human feelings can change. I'm sure what happens between them will change them in some way or another and they'll probably make some self-discovery or there would be no show in the first place and we can only wait and see what happens. 'Psychology 101 learn it'. angel999 said: Let me get to the point......people think that Mizuki might be 16 so being with Kuze is wrong cause he is over 18. No matter where you look in reality or not.....18 is the age of maturity. Love is mature subject in general cause it involves responsibility and feelings. Trust me feelings ain't really there till you are 18. I went through to many screw ups to have known better to be patient. I have an 18 yr old friend who's gone out with a 24 yr old guy for a year now (so she was 17 when they started going out) and it was clear to me that one does not suddenly become mature at a certain age. I'll also tell you now I'm not 18 yet but in about 4 months time when I am, nothing about my opinion on this will change. "Love is mature subject in general cause it involves responsibility and feelings. Trust me feelings ain't really there till you are 18." Again, I will not be any different to who I am now in four months time. My feelings will not change because time has passed, it is because of the experiences that have occurred during that time that will shape who I am. It has nothing to do with age. angel999 said: Cultures..........SOME CULTURES NEED TO BE DESTROYED FOR THEIR SINS!!! Seriously, are you God? Because if you are God my sincerest apologies. But if you aren't, who are you to judge what are sins and what are not? Who are you to think your authority is greater than others and that they deserve to be burnt to the ground just because you refuse to open your mind to possibilities. Who is to say they have no equal right to burn your culture to the ground because you refuse to accept their differences. Are you trying to build a world based on your beliefs alone? Have a read of Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. It's a good book and I really recommend it. Tired of this now. Onto the ep. Still good visuals as expected. I still find it amazing how much they can fit into a single episode. One 20 minutes ep feels like an hour. I'm not bored, I just feel like I've been given so much information to process because of the depth and complexity of the varying metaphors and symbolism. Romance is moving along too so that's always good ^^ |
co_flameOct 22, 2008 7:07 PM
FTGT said: @AngelLily: Someone seems to be slightly addicted to the show. ^^ Personally I dont like the OP of "melodies" that much. The mood is nice, but somehow all the german text is too much (...yes, I have the right to be annoyed with it although Im german). ;) I also have to say what you have written regarding love and maturity is remarkable. :] Oh, I was quite addicted to season 1 and I'm having it just as bad for season 2 XD I also thought that the new OP couldn't surpass euphoric field because the concept of the animation was already known, so there was no surprise factor, and the melody of the song is basically the same. However, after some time of obsessing analyzing, I thought it was even better done than the first one, more dramatic and provocative. Also, because I'm simply in love with languages, the german text added to my admiration for it. Although, I'm sure if it were my mother language being somewhat butchered, I wouldn't be pleased either, haha. I'm glad my babbling contributed to something :3 @co_flame: That's quite a beautiful wall of text, that I'm proud to say I read and fully agree. Although you misspelled Chihiro's name twice, haha XD. Especially this: It is not our age that determines who we are, it is our experiences and our memories and I think ef S1 has made that quite clear. |
| Whoops yes I did but fixed, muahaha no one will notice now XD. Don't know why I kept thinking Chidori lol. |
| Why must Conclave and Mendoi be so far behind on this... This was an okay episode, made Himura's past a whole lot clearer, also showed how he got the school key that he gives to Renji in the first season. I find it interesting that they decided to have Mizuki come out with her feelings this early, it fits her personality though. I think I'll just keep watching the Chihiro subs to stay on top of things. |
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| That was a very nice episode, it doesn't give me the feeling the first season did though. Not yet. The colors and the whole metronome imagery were beautiful. |
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| Very nice episode. Little Yuko is so adorable. <3 |
| Mizuki's confession at the end there was nice. it was so natural. although, atm, i am more interested in the Yuuko/Himura story. |
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Faust721 said: Mizuki's confession at the end there was nice. it was so natural. although, atm, i am more interested in the Yuuko/Himura story. Same as above. Though it was pretty funny when Mizuki dragged Kuze on the ground :3 |
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| @co_flame Damn good post there mate, sure you are 17? xD You make a valid point about the difference between age and maturity. Being 18 doesn't suddenly make you a mature person, hell some of the most immature people out there are within the 18-21 age bracket. The problem here isn't maturity, but what the general public thinks of your relationship. Sure you might not care that you are dating someone twice or even three times your age, but society might say otherwise. Though society be damned given that Mizuki is already 16 (at least I think she is). All that really matters is the age of consent. Frown upon the relationship all you want, but it doesn't matter once you are bulletproof in the eyes of the law! xD As for the episode itself... ewww manservice! My eyes! @_@ I can't see Mizuki's love ending well. Yeah I can see the eventual coupling of the two, but it certainly won't end well. I'm more interested in the development of the Yuuko/Himura storyline. From what I've read, not everything will be covered by the anime given that it was never fully explain in the visual novel. Hell it is interesting enough for me to actually contemplate on whether I should get the visual novels even if its not translated... Poor Yuuko...she's the cutest out of all the ef girls too ='( What I really want to know is how the hell they manage to get those paper airplanes to fly like that... |
| @co_flame *Thumbs up* AngelLily said: ... Also, because I'm simply in love with languages, the german text added to my admiration for it. Although, I'm sure if it were my mother language being somewhat butchered, I wouldn't be pleased either, haha. Interestingly enough it is not butchered THAT much. Some of the sentences are even quite decent from an artistically point of view. Its just the amount of text that make it rather unpleasant for me. ;) PimpToad said: What I really want to know is how the hell they manage to get those paper airplanes to fly like that... They use an invisible jet propulsion interconnected with an anti-gravity device immerged into the base-structure of the paper.....I guess. ^^ |
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| @FTGT LIES! xD @Nrvnqsr You do know its only been two episodes (well 3) so far right? Not a lot of people liked ef-memo during its initial run primarily due to its rather...artistic use of imagery. ef-memo truly shined during the second half of its run. The story is just building up so give it some time. |
king4k2 said: So basically Kuze is going to die soon or later, and he doesnt want get involve in his past. So thats why he burn those letters. And Himura also doesnt want get hurt anymore so he solitude himself, and his sister is dead. For a moment I thought it was Yuko that died, or else the story would be messed up. I think episode 2 tells basically what happened and what's going to happen. So this episode is a must see since it covers the plot Personally I would like a better opening. Thanks for the spoilers-NOT! Anyway, I do agree with you, Euphoric Field was WAY better. The new OP is alright though. Granted, the anime's awesome! (5/5) |
| Chibi Yuuko is so cute <3 |
| Wow Mizuki loves Kuze? And so early in the series no less! |
Momo-Hime said: Haha, that was great xDFaust721 said: Mizuki's confession at the end there was nice. it was so natural. although, atm, i am more interested in the Yuuko/Himura story. Same as above. Though it was pretty funny when Mizuki dragged Kuze on the ground :3 Ef -melodies- isn't giving me the same feeling as the first series however in the first few episodes of -memories- I didn't really think much of it. So here's waiting on the build up. Glad they got confessions out of the way, gives more time for future development. |
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| Another incredible episode, the two kuze's was really interesting and the allusions to an unstable medical condition makes it all the more interesting. |
| The Kuze story kinda weirds me out. If he really did care about Mizuki and actually wants to protect her from being hurt The Yuuko story is what's keeping me hooked, not liking the Mizuki x Kuze story atm. |
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| Well done episode |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3soldiern said: Well done episode Agreed. Hope it continues to deliver as strong as it has thus far. |
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| Plenty of development and just plain awesome in general. Pretty much what I was expecting. The metronome scene towards the end was almost too cool. |
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| so we've got 2 love stories now. ; 3 |
kittygoesmadDec 24, 2009 3:42 AM
| Wait Kuze dying? Where the hell did that come from? I know the time thing hinted and all...I was guessing if he had some kind of a cardiac condition but DYING is a bit too soon people. Don't depress me. |
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| Ok so I am guessing Himura's sister died in a fire and that watch is the last memory he has of her....guessing also that Yuuko likes him since since he is her first love she did not give up that love even if the separation was long. Mizuki falling with Kuze is strange since it was purely because of music and on top of that the guy has a obvious illness....guessing it has to do with the heart...if it's terminal then that love will be long lost when he dies...guessing the Metronome thing is like a regulator mentally for him and does he have split personality withing himself from this part=>  On the other hand art keeps impressing me in the ways things are shown like this part=> |
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| I knew it that she was going to like him. What's up with the clones and their mask? |
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DeathfireD said: errr my worst nightmare for this series has come true. F you Mizuki for making me dread watching this now! With that said, everything else was great. I agree with miyachan about Kuze having some form of Cardiac Arrhythmia. Although I wouldn't say it's something to shake off or dismiss as none threatening, it can be very life threatening. Kuze could drop dead and go into cardiac arrest at any moment from being over excited. I'm guessing this is why he cut his ties with women and lives isolated (for the most part). Yu's story seems to have been revealed a bit. Not sure if this is 100% correct but here goes. 1) He was an orphan 2) Was good friends with an orphan girl. 3) Fire brakes out at orphanage and girl dies. 4) Yui becomes heart broken and isolates himself from love, affection, and possibly even people. 5) He meets Yuko, who appears to look exactly like the girl who died in the fire. She constantly follows him and calls him brother. 6) a few years later they meet again in high school. She confesses that he is her first love. She also somehow knows about the watch/fire. I'm guessing she may have been related to the girl in the orphanage. A family probably only wanted one kid so she was picked, leaving her sister behind with Yui. Pretty spot on. Im not as captivated by this season as the first one. We'll see if it gets better. |
| interesting 2nd episode. still nothing that has really drawn me in yet though. i hope it does next ep. |
| Interesting episode, the backstory was quite nice and the ending was quite interesting as well but something doesn't feel right for now, lets see what's next! Nice ED! |
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| What the heck is wrong with young Yu's voice, he sounds like he swallowed a flute. |
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| ahh I see.. I started to understand who is the girl called yuuko now :3 okay episode.. and mizuki :3 |
| Maybe I'm just getting used to this style, but so far, I somehow like this season more than the previous one. It seems more serious (may I even say darker?), and the wholeheartedness with which they created those stunning visuals (including effects and timing) is almost palpable. The funny parts (like the scene where Kuze-san is being dragged on the floor) are fitting well, and it's just the right amount for me. The ecchi-ish scenes are not crossing any borders on my side either. Yuuko is pretty impressive as a character. I liked her in the previous season as well. The OP and ED are also somewhat better but I'm still not a fan of them. |
| What's the point of all this? // There's no point. I'm doing it because I can. That's all there is to it. // What will be left behind after this? // Nothing at all. She'll die and I'll burn out. The end. That's all. (Requiem for the Phantom) |
| Nice episode c: |
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| Dafuq are those faces. My Brain hurts from watching this series |
| Kuze, play the violin. Why not? That random confession lol. |
| So far I don't really like it... Moving really slow and although the animation is beautiful, a lot of it is being used in excess IMO. We'll see maybe I'll change my mind soon, I guess the story does have to be developed before it can proceed |
| well that confession at the end was not unexpected I hope this season isn't focused around him |
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| Are Kuze an illness? It was a mystery. Yuu had a traumatic past? I think this series will equal the previous series, there are two ways in which different story, namely Kuze-Mizuki and Yuuko-Yuu. Btw, opening and closing songs are not much different from the previous series. Nothing too exciting, but have characteristic. |
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| himura yuuko arc is great damn kuze scores again burning letters, even from nagi? damn playboy this show is growing strong so far only renji appears out of all the mcs of memories, wish can see more cameos beautiful end art/ep preview of mizuki |
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| Who's gonna have sex first this time, I wonder. |
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| So they both were in an orphanage and Yuu had a sister...I like it that Yuuko stills in love with Yuu. |
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| Part of me thinks is cute, but the other part hopes its one sided. There seems to be a very big age gap between Mizuki and Kuze. Maybe if she was seventeen or something. Either way, her crush on Kei disappeared pretty quickly, lol. I'm a bit disappointed that the other characters aren't going to appear, though I suppose that's because their story has been concluded. I wish there'd been a bit more of a conclusion with Renji and Chihiro and Kei and Kyosuke, though. One was unclear and the other was unfinished. I'm hoping we'll see some of them, though. Anyway, as for Yuuko making Yuu "forget," I'm still convinced that Yuu has magical powers or something. I originally thought she was some sort of spirit who took the form of a paper airplane, lol. Well, at least now we know the significance of paper airplanes now. |
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FestinaLente said: Who's gonna have sex first this time, I wonder. It's a race lol |
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
| erm....after watching a true romance series days ago (Lamune)...that I love you seemed...pushed...lol dunno if i can hold with this until the end...it still keeps me enough to move on but it's bland...not everything that tries to look deep is that deep. It just tries too hard, as the Ef~memories.. 3/5 |
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| Another 2 Love stories happening at the same time. Thats ef for ya. I thought Mizuki is all on the way for Kei but she chose Kuze. Im more interested on Mizuki romance than Yuuko. 3.1/5 |
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| Loved the flashbacks. |
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| Yeah something has to be wrong with Kuze....he's the Chihiro of this show it seems like. |
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