insan3soldiern said: Solvite said: Of all the anime that need reboots, they choose Sailor Moon. Guess we will see how it turns out. I mean, it's not like Sailor Moon is an influential and popular classic or anything, right? That was my point. Sailor Moon was fine how it was. They should remake Rosario + Vampire or any of the other really bad adaptations. |
| I'll probably watch this and see what's up. Used to catch Sailor Moon in the mornings as a very young kid, hell Sailor Moon is one of if not the earliest animated series I can remember watching and back then I had no clue what anime was or that it was really a Japanese show. Honestly I can hardly remember what it was like at all, just that the music and transformations were pretty catchy. I've never actually tried to sit down and watch the original series even though it's been at least 15 years now because I just figured it would be a little too childish or girly for me but perhaps I'm wrong and should give it a chance, might even get a little bit of nostalgia out of it. |
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Solvite said: insan3soldiern said: Solvite said: Of all the anime that need reboots, they choose Sailor Moon. Guess we will see how it turns out. I mean, it's not like Sailor Moon is an influential and popular classic or anything, right? That was my point. Sailor Moon was fine how it was. They should remake Rosario + Vampire or any of the other really bad adaptations. Ah, sorry then. A lot of people seem to make fun of the series and I kind of jumped the gun. But, since I hear the manga is pretty different compared to the anime I think a reboot in that direction is the right way to go. Cutting out the filler alone should make for a better all around series. |
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insan3soldiern said: Ah, sorry then. A lot of people seem to make fun of the series and I kind of jumped the gun. But, since I hear the manga is pretty different compared to the anime I think a reboot in that direction is the right way to go. Cutting out the filler alone should make for a better all around series. In general, I'm not really sympathetic when it comes to what I perceive to be cash grab entertainment moves. I'd rather see a reboot to a bad anime series than a reboot to Sailor Moon, knowing full well that it will make money just because it's Sailor Moon. It would be like Rebooting the Harry Potter movies because they didn't follow the movies to the letter, and then pocketing a ton of money. Edit: I'm still going to watch this, and I hope its a full reboot and not a 12 episode thing like the above poster said. |
Solvite said: insan3soldiern said: Ah, sorry then. A lot of people seem to make fun of the series and I kind of jumped the gun. But, since I hear the manga is pretty different compared to the anime I think a reboot in that direction is the right way to go. Cutting out the filler alone should make for a better all around series. In general, I'm not really sympathetic when it comes to what I perceive to be cash grab entertainment moves. I'd rather see a reboot to a bad anime series than a reboot to Sailor Moon, knowing full well that it will make money just because it's Sailor Moon. It would be like Rebooting the Harry Potter movies because they didn't follow the movies to the letter, and then pocketing a ton of money. Edit: I'm still going to watch this, and I hope its a full reboot and not a 12 episode thing like the above poster said. Well, of course this is being animated because it's Sailor Moon and will undoubtedly make a crap load of money. But, so what? If it can give us a better story like FMA Brotherhood, Hellsing Ultimate and some other reboots then I'm all for it. I honestly don't care what the makers motives are. Of course, this does indeed depend upon whether it's actually a reboot or not. I hope it is, because as much as I enjoyed the first two seasons that I've watched recently....there is certainly room for improvement. |
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| I'm hoping they will make it a bit more mature. Not like Ero mature, but maybe they could make the Romance a bit deeper and less cliche. Also, awesome animation would be great too. 1080p CGI clothing changing transformation scenes. James Cameron Presents: Sailor Moon 2013. Starring: Sailor Moon: Ellie Goulding Tuxedo: Jeremy Renner Sailor Mercury: Natalie Portman Sailor Mars: Miranda Cosgrove Sailor Jupiter: Kate Beckinsale 10 years ago. Yeah not doing the rest. |
MarineSlate said: fuk sailor moon dbz needs new anime 2 This post is full of fail, on multiple levels. |
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veluriel said: TL;DR (because quoting huge chunks of text looks awkward) I agree with your conclusion, but I disagree with pretty much everything else you said. The first about the Harry Potter movies (yes, this ties into the discussion, bear with me lol) being great adaptations of the books - the weren't, not by a long shot. The only one I actually liked was the third, which was the least 'accurate' one. The problem was that although they adapted all the best scenes, that's all they were - they sacrificed pacing, depth of characterisation, atmosphere, themes, world-building, basically everything that made the books so 'magical'. A lot of anime adaptations do this. A recent failure in this regard was Persona 4. This doesn't apply as such to Sailor Moon because the manga and anime are very different. The problem is that while the manga is many times more mature, is it also very shallow. The small number of volumes simply doesn't allow huge world building and immersion. I recently rewatched the anime too - just last year. A neat marathon of all episodes one after the other, skipping nothing and watching the specials when chronologically relevant. I loved it as a child, but I remember being frustrated with the endless filler. I also didn't remember any real depth. I was wrong. Ikuhara, the genius behind Penguindrum and the majority of Utena, was behind it, after all. All the fillers in the first two seasons and in Super S were variations on a theme, exploring the ramifications of whatever it picked to focus on in that season. Each filler in the first season made sure to reveals bits and pieces, small but genuine nuggets of characterization, from the Sailor Senshi. Each filler in the second season was about family and what family means (sort of like a proto-Penguindrum). Half of Super S was one big rape metaphor (the enemies showing themselves into the soul mirrors after doing some sort of seduction charade, the victims blushing, screaming and moaning, it was ridiculously blatant). ...and, well, a lot more. The first season was genuine and heart-warming, with great character depth especially among the villains. The second season was the best mahou shoujo I've ever seen (save for Madoka, which doesn't count), and of the best series overall. The third season, which was somewhat 'closer to the manga' was rather weak, yes. Then Super S came with exactly the kind of fresh direction Sailor Moon needed with ChibiUsa (Usagi was so developed that she was stagnant as a main character at that point) and the mind permanently in the gutter symbolism. Then Ikuhara left and Stars imho sucked (though it was my favorite at 9). Sailor Moon was the opposite to Harry Potter in that the anime had much more depth than the original. It's hard to compare the adaptation with the original though, because they might as well be different series - Sailor Moon the anime belonged to Ikuhara and the other directors much more than it ever did Naoko Takeuchi. It was their vision, their hopes, their worldview. ...but this is hard to see if you watch the anime by 'keeping a guide open beside it' and skipping 3/4ths of the show <_< But a reboot is a good idea. Takeuchi's story, her vision and worldview, also deserves a chance to shine. |
MarineSlate said: LayedBack said: MarineSlate said: fuk sailor moon dbz needs new anime 2 This post is full of fail, on multiple levels. Sarcasm, learn it. We're communicating through text. Sometimes really lame and pointless sarcastic jokes don't register. |
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veluriel said: Pretty much going to have to toss that one back at you, haha. That what makes discussions fun XD veluriel said: Your main point seems to be on world building - which Harry Potter does not lack whatsoever. Repetition does not mean character building nor world building. As I said in my original post, Harry Potter was as close to the books as reasonably possible. And in my opinion, they were as faithfully adapted to the big screen as could be done within the constraints of a series of feature films. Would it have been better served as a TV series? Perhaps. There would have been ample time to explore things like SPEW and they could avoid skipping scenes or eliminating characters. But they were made into a series of movies - a series of highly successful and critically acclaimed movies. Look, if I'm going to bitch about a book being made into a movie, I'm going to go after The Golden Compass and a lot of other things before I even think about HP. They were the best that could be done with the format they were being converted to. But 'being close to the books' isn't an indication of quality. That was supposed to be the original point of my HP tl;dr, but then I sort off forgot to point it out. Lord of the Rings, even the non-extended and short versions, were good adaptations - did they stick to the book? Only broadly. Movies are a different medium, the source need to be adapted - you don't do this by animating your favorite moments. The third HP movie was also a good adaptation. It presented all the most important information, and even emphasized a lot of important things in places natural for a movie (like the scene with the table at the beginning). It made me remember the book fondly, but also allowed the story to stand independently from it. ...compared to the first movie which made my 12 year old self rage all the way home from the cinema. To adapt something you basically have three choices: more or less 1:1, like Uchuu Kyodai and Monster which assumed many episodes, or adapt it to the medium, like Sankarea and a couple of others, or go all original with it like Gankutsuou and 07-Ghost. You can't attempt a 1:1 and then pick and choose scenes. You can't go the original route while shoehorning all the 'important bits' from the original. Sailor Moon feels like it started out as the second and then grew into the third as the anime staff grew more confident. veluriel said: Going back to Sailor Moon... you seem to think that the filler provided lots of small gems of character development and world building. While I agree that there are some, the cost to get to them is high. Mainly, the amount of time it takes to watch/sift through all of the time-soaking filler to get to the long-term relevant parts. The manga explores character interaction and relationship development much more than the anime ever did. I would really argue if one or the other were shallow, it's definitely the anime. They didn't feel like filler as much as I expected. The fillers in basically every other long-running show out there are worse - look at any Precure, including Heartcatch. Sure, if you disregard the fact that it is a long running show and a mahou shoujo, a genre with a monster of the week tradition, it's true that they could have cut back. But compared to other anime it did great. And certain seasons were shallow, yes. Particularly Sailor Stars. The fillers in S and Stars were a chore to sit through. No overarching theme, no villain development, no side-cast development... The problem with the manga is that (1) Usagi is too perfect and (2) it cares nothing about the side-characters. The villains are all cardboard cutouts, while the same characters in the anime are fantastic. The manga only explores certain character interaction and, more importantly, it doesn't feel like it has a message. Or if it does I didn't feel it. veluriel said: The emotional development, relationship development, and overall character portrayals are very much lacking from the anime, when you compare to their poignancy in the manga. You really see Usagi mature in the manga, whereas in the anime her maturation is weak and slow (and only rarely explored). The only time that characters "break the mold" in the show is when they're fighting the Big Bad. Considering that the manga focused heavily on character development in a way that was meant to mirror adolescent female maturation, I find the fact that it's greatly diminished or almost ignored entirely to be the reason why the anime is so emotionally shallow. To be honest, if you just say that the manga is "shallow" because it doesn't have as much content, I think it's a misuse of the word. The manga is the one with more depth in terms of character, relationships, and plot. The only thing that the anime has is really just more content. More content does not equal depth. We probably have different definitions of depth. The anime explored several interesting issues and gave me a lot to think about. It was also fun and never lost sight of its characters. The character development itself was very subtle - such as the relationship between Usagi and Chibiusa changing from sisterly to a mother/daughter one (I was floored when I first noticed this and couldn't pinpoint when it happened). But Usagi's development ended with R. There was no way she could grow further than how she was at the end of it, and she never did - this is why S was stagnant and why I liked her being a bit side-lined in Super S. To keep her in the show they had to regress her somewhat, it's understandable. veluriel said: Is there some character development? Absolutely. But the amount of development and the pacing are very different. One of the things that irritated me was what they did to Rei. She became little more than a caricature. She went from being an elegant, man-hating, somewhat aloof yet tempermental girl with a lonely childhood to a boy crazy, hot-headed, and forceful brat. And she never really escapes this. ...did we watch the same show? Did I have an advantage from actually understanding Japanese? Rei started out as a spoiled ojou-sama type brat. She always had that exaggeratedly snotty tone and faux-upperclass vocabulary which she used to talk down on basically everybody. She was also quite manipulative and really didn't think much of others. As the series progressed and she matured she stopped talking down to people, started listening more and became a strong and dependable friend. Her character flaws didn't disappear, but she stopped trying to mask them. And she had always been crazy about boys, just like every other Inner Senshi save for Ami (most of the time). Because she was teenage girl. ...they were 16/17 when the series ended, remember, not 20. veluriel said: This could be attributed to length - a 52 chapter manga doesn't really translate to a 200 episode anime by today's standards. In order to stretch things out, characters couldn't develop too quickly. There was probably also a fear that if they did mature, then it could cause a negative reaction among young viewers. In short, it was a safe move to keep them largely within the same structural/stereotypical molds. But this also relates back to the time in which it was made. If you go back and look at anime from that era, you won't see as many risks being taken. It's just the way it was 20 years ago. No risks being taken? Super S side-lined the main character and spent most of its time thinking up creative sex metaphors. All seasons were full of LGBT messages and themes, something that is still risky now, in 2013. Villains were only ever killed after making sure we cared about them. The girls were more interested in boys than being perfectly pure maidens - how many mahou shoujo can you think of where the girls change crushes like once a week? They probably had some episode quota to cover, but they were pretty good. ...and here's hoping I didn't make as many grammar mistakes and typos as I did my previous comment. |
elior1 said: I checked the report of the original announcement and I could not see any mention of that is going to follow exactly according to the manga. Do you have the source?it been confirmed very long ago in the first time the new sailor moon anoucced that it going to be a reboot which will follow exactly acording the manga |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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| ^ The moonkitty.net site shows a lot of details. And the following details stand out: QUOTE Here's what we know so far... It is confirmed that this anime is not an anime film, but a series. The new Sailor Moon anime will be released simultaneously worldwide! The band Momoiro Clover Z will be singing the opening theme song. The anime will be a fresh reboot. i.e. Not a continuation of the original anime set after Sailor Stars. END QUOTE And this is what I got from the Japanese report of the original announcement as well. And also this: QUOTE We don't know what the story will be yet or what characters will be appearing. No idea if it will be an original creation much like the live action Sailor Moon series, Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon was or if it will be based on the Sailor Moon manga. END QUOTE This is why I would like to call out on elior1 to see where he learned that "it been confirmed very long ago in the first time the new sailor moon anoucced that it going to be a reboot which will follow exactly acording the manga". Spreading false news or presenting hearsay as "confirmed update" is a really inconsiderate and unacceptable thing to do. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| If they mess this up. I gonna rage like never before. |
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| I hope this season doesn't ruin the whole story |
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ele-channina said: I hope this season doesn't ruin the whole story It's not a season. It's a brand new series, starting from the very beginning. |
KittyKatWombat said: not sure about the theme song though They should definitely make an updated version of Moonlight Densetsu (like Saint Seiya Omega did with Pegasus Fantasy). I don't think it will be better than the original (like Saint Seiya Omega did with Pegasus Fantasy :P although it's quite decent) but it's a step in the right direction to get both old fans going nuts with nostalgia -in a good or bad way, depends on if they like it- and could encourage the new generations into looking for the older Sailor Moon stuff. They should really put a whole bunch of money and make the animation anything from decent (at worst) to excellent (at best), nothing lower than that. Obviously story and development should get a dip into the moneys, but that's a given. (they might feel more compelled to cut back in animation than in anything else, given it's a magical girl show) |
| I might actually watch it now.Got this off google. Mod Edit: Please use spoiler tags for large images. |
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kyuubi-hollow said: I might actually watch it now.Got this off google. You know that's just fanart right? Still counting the minutes to new Sailor Moon. :D |
FrauKoujiro said: WHAT!???? Precisely what I first said. |
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| FREAKING CAN"T WAIT!!!! :D Am so excited! I hope it's a bit like the last season of the original one. :D and shouldn't it be Josei? rather than Shoujo? Since they did say that it was aimed at original fans, who i'm pretty sure are in their 20s and over by now. I watched it when i was 6 and am now 23. Anyways wow 3 months to go and still no new info?? whyyyy?! |
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| looking forward for the new artwork ! |
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Bilberry said: I never watch the original anime and I don't feel like watching 200 episodes so I could give it a try :D You're missing out. |
| I'm really looking forward to it! |
Psajdak said: Excuse, but I don't understand. Togashi? Relations? Togashi, the creator of Yu Yu Hakusho and Hunter x Hunter is married to the creator of Sailor Moon, Takeuchi Naoki :P And he is well known for going into long periods of hiatus over and over again, so I guess he's comparing them ... that's what the guy above you probably meant =) |
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