New Sailor Moon Anime Due in Summer 2013

Feb 27, 2013 9:02 AM

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fuk sailor moon dbz needs new anime 2

Feb 27, 2013 9:16 AM

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fuk sailor moon dbz needs new anime 2

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Feb 27, 2013 9:39 AM

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veluriel said:

TL;DR

(because quoting huge chunks of text looks awkward)

I agree with your conclusion, but I disagree with pretty much everything else you said.

The first about the Harry Potter movies (yes, this ties into the discussion, bear with me lol) being great adaptations of the books - the weren't, not by a long shot. The only one I actually liked was the third, which was the least 'accurate' one. The problem was that although they adapted all the best scenes, that's all they were - they sacrificed pacing, depth of characterisation, atmosphere, themes, world-building, basically everything that made the books so 'magical'.

A lot of anime adaptations do this. A recent failure in this regard was Persona 4.

This doesn't apply as such to Sailor Moon because the manga and anime are very different. The problem is that while the manga is many times more mature, is it also very shallow. The small number of volumes simply doesn't allow huge world building and immersion.

I recently rewatched the anime too - just last year. A neat marathon of all episodes one after the other, skipping nothing and watching the specials when chronologically relevant. I loved it as a child, but I remember being frustrated with the endless filler. I also didn't remember any real depth.

I was wrong. Ikuhara, the genius behind Penguindrum and the majority of Utena, was behind it, after all. All the fillers in the first two seasons and in Super S were variations on a theme, exploring the ramifications of whatever it picked to focus on in that season. Each filler in the first season made sure to reveals bits and pieces, small but genuine nuggets of characterization, from the Sailor Senshi. Each filler in the second season was about family and what family means (sort of like a proto-Penguindrum). Half of Super S was one big rape metaphor (the enemies showing themselves into the soul mirrors after doing some sort of seduction charade, the victims blushing, screaming and moaning, it was ridiculously blatant).

...and, well, a lot more.

The first season was genuine and heart-warming, with great character depth especially among the villains. The second season was the best mahou shoujo I've ever seen (save for Madoka, which doesn't count), and of the best series overall. The third season, which was somewhat 'closer to the manga' was rather weak, yes. Then Super S came with exactly the kind of fresh direction Sailor Moon needed with ChibiUsa (Usagi was so developed that she was stagnant as a main character at that point) and the mind permanently in the gutter symbolism.

Then Ikuhara left and Stars imho sucked (though it was my favorite at 9).

Sailor Moon was the opposite to Harry Potter in that the anime had much more depth than the original. It's hard to compare the adaptation with the original though, because they might as well be different series - Sailor Moon the anime belonged to Ikuhara and the other directors much more than it ever did Naoko Takeuchi. It was their vision, their hopes, their worldview.

...but this is hard to see if you watch the anime by 'keeping a guide open beside it' and skipping 3/4ths of the show <_<

But a reboot is a good idea. Takeuchi's story, her vision and worldview, also deserves a chance to shine.

Feb 27, 2013 9:45 AM

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LayedBack said:

MarineSlate said:
fuk sailor moon dbz needs new anime 2

This post is full of fail, on multiple levels.

Sarcasm, learn it.

Feb 27, 2013 10:01 AM

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LayedBack said:

MarineSlate said:
fuk sailor moon dbz needs new anime 2

This post is full of fail, on multiple levels.

Sarcasm, learn it.

We're communicating through text. Sometimes really lame and pointless sarcastic jokes don't register.

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Feb 27, 2013 10:07 AM

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LayedBack said:

MarineSlate said:

LayedBack said:

MarineSlate said:
fuk sailor moon dbz needs new anime 2

This post is full of fail, on multiple levels.

Sarcasm, learn it.

We're communicating through text. Sometimes really lame and pointless sarcastic jokes don't register.

Only to you and those who stand by your theories.

We'll meet again somewhere else, hopefully I'll be able to have fun with my posts the next time.

Feb 27, 2013 2:14 PM

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Kiraly said:

I disagree with pretty much everything else you said.

Pretty much going to have to toss that one back at you, haha.

Your main point seems to be on world building - which Harry Potter does not lack whatsoever. Repetition does not mean character building nor world building. As I said in my original post, Harry Potter was as close to the books as reasonably possible. And in my opinion, they were as faithfully adapted to the big screen as could be done within the constraints of a series of feature films.

Would it have been better served as a TV series? Perhaps. There would have been ample time to explore things like SPEW and they could avoid skipping scenes or eliminating characters. But they were made into a series of movies - a series of highly successful and critically acclaimed movies. Look, if I'm going to bitch about a book being made into a movie, I'm going to go after The Golden Compass and a lot of other things before I even think about HP. They were the best that could be done with the format they were being converted to.

Going back to Sailor Moon... you seem to think that the filler provided lots of small gems of character development and world building. While I agree that there are some, the cost to get to them is high. Mainly, the amount of time it takes to watch/sift through all of the time-soaking filler to get to the long-term relevant parts. The manga explores character interaction and relationship development much more than the anime ever did. I would really argue if one or the other were shallow, it's definitely the anime.

Kiraly said:

The problem is that while the manga is many times more mature, is it also very shallow. The small number of volumes simply doesn't allow huge world building and immersion.

The emotional development, relationship development, and overall character portrayals are very much lacking from the anime, when you compare to their poignancy in the manga. You really see Usagi mature in the manga, whereas in the anime her maturation is weak and slow (and only rarely explored). The only time that characters "break the mold" in the show is when they're fighting the Big Bad.

Considering that the manga focused heavily on character development in a way that was meant to mirror adolescent female maturation, I find the fact that it's greatly diminished or almost ignored entirely to be the reason why the anime is so emotionally shallow. To be honest, if you just say that the manga is "shallow" because it doesn't have as much content, I think it's a misuse of the word. The manga is the one with more depth in terms of character, relationships, and plot. The only thing that the anime has is really just more content. More content does not equal depth.

Is there some character development? Absolutely. But the amount of development and the pacing are very different. One of the things that irritated me was what they did to Rei. She became little more than a caricature. She went from being an elegant, man-hating, somewhat aloof yet tempermental girl with a lonely childhood to a boy crazy, hot-headed, and forceful brat. And she never really escapes this.

The same could be said for any of the characters. Sure, they grow - a little. But then we're always ricocheted back into their old stereotypical behaviors. In final battles you see them mature and be serious, but it's made shallow by a lack of significant (just reiterating that yes, there is some growth) character growth after those battles. It was almost schizophrenic, in a way.

This could be attributed to length - a 52 chapter manga doesn't really translate to a 200 episode anime by today's standards. In order to stretch things out, characters couldn't develop too quickly. There was probably also a fear that if they did mature, then it could cause a negative reaction among young viewers. In short, it was a safe move to keep them largely within the same structural/stereotypical molds. But this also relates back to the time in which it was made. If you go back and look at anime from that era, you won't see as many risks being taken. It's just the way it was 20 years ago.

Going back to Solvite... if anything, the anime at that time was a serious milking of a cash cow; an obvious attempt to give length to something to make it last longer.

Kiraly said:

This doesn't apply as such to Sailor Moon because the manga and anime are very different.

I think this was the best statement you made. The two should be analyzed separately rather than comparatively, though it's natural to compare the two. Looking at them as two entirely separate works makes a world of difference, especially considering the era in which they were created. Anime adaptations nowadays have moved towards filler "arcs" rather than filler episodes, which makes a huge difference. Why? Because there is no more hiding actual plotline/character development within obvious time soaking episodes.

Kiraly said:

...but this is hard to see if you watch the anime by 'keeping a guide open beside it' and skipping 3/4ths of the show <_<

I've re-watched the whole thing, I've re-watched favorite episodes, and I've re-watched single seasons, on top of going through and watching just the core of the show (although your estimation that 3/4ths of the show is filler is a huge exaggeration, unless we have very different definitions of "filler"). And as I said above, filler that reinforces repetitive stereotypes does not equate world building or "depth."

"You know the old saying; when life gives you lemons, go murder a clown."

"Our opponent is an alien starship packed with atomic bombs," I said. "We have a protractor."
"Okay, I'll go home and see if I can scrounge up a ruler and a piece of string."

Feb 27, 2013 3:14 PM

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veluriel said:

Pretty much going to have to toss that one back at you, haha.

That what makes discussions fun XD

veluriel said:

Your main point seems to be on world building - which Harry Potter does not lack whatsoever. Repetition does not mean character building nor world building. As I said in my original post, Harry Potter was as close to the books as reasonably possible. And in my opinion, they were as faithfully adapted to the big screen as could be done within the constraints of a series of feature films.

Would it have been better served as a TV series? Perhaps. There would have been ample time to explore things like SPEW and they could avoid skipping scenes or eliminating characters. But they were made into a series of movies - a series of highly successful and critically acclaimed movies. Look, if I'm going to bitch about a book being made into a movie, I'm going to go after The Golden Compass and a lot of other things before I even think about HP. They were the best that could be done with the format they were being converted to.

But 'being close to the books' isn't an indication of quality. That was supposed to be the original point of my HP tl;dr, but then I sort off forgot to point it out. Lord of the Rings, even the non-extended and short versions, were good adaptations - did they stick to the book? Only broadly. Movies are a different medium, the source need to be adapted - you don't do this by animating your favorite moments.

The third HP movie was also a good adaptation. It presented all the most important information, and even emphasized a lot of important things in places natural for a movie (like the scene with the table at the beginning). It made me remember the book fondly, but also allowed the story to stand independently from it.

...compared to the first movie which made my 12 year old self rage all the way home from the cinema.

To adapt something you basically have three choices: more or less 1:1, like Uchuu Kyodai and Monster which assumed many episodes, or adapt it to the medium, like Sankarea and a couple of others, or go all original with it like Gankutsuou and 07-Ghost. You can't attempt a 1:1 and then pick and choose scenes. You can't go the original route while shoehorning all the 'important bits' from the original.

Sailor Moon feels like it started out as the second and then grew into the third as the anime staff grew more confident.

veluriel said:
Going back to Sailor Moon... you seem to think that the filler provided lots of small gems of character development and world building. While I agree that there are some, the cost to get to them is high. Mainly, the amount of time it takes to watch/sift through all of the time-soaking filler to get to the long-term relevant parts. The manga explores character interaction and relationship development much more than the anime ever did. I would really argue if one or the other were shallow, it's definitely the anime.

They didn't feel like filler as much as I expected. The fillers in basically every other long-running show out there are worse - look at any Precure, including Heartcatch. Sure, if you disregard the fact that it is a long running show and a mahou shoujo, a genre with a monster of the week tradition, it's true that they could have cut back. But compared to other anime it did great.

And certain seasons were shallow, yes. Particularly Sailor Stars. The fillers in S and Stars were a chore to sit through. No overarching theme, no villain development, no side-cast development...

The problem with the manga is that (1) Usagi is too perfect and (2) it cares nothing about the side-characters. The villains are all cardboard cutouts, while the same characters in the anime are fantastic. The manga only explores certain character interaction and, more importantly, it doesn't feel like it has a message. Or if it does I didn't feel it.

veluriel said:

The emotional development, relationship development, and overall character portrayals are very much lacking from the anime, when you compare to their poignancy in the manga. You really see Usagi mature in the manga, whereas in the anime her maturation is weak and slow (and only rarely explored). The only time that characters "break the mold" in the show is when they're fighting the Big Bad.

Considering that the manga focused heavily on character development in a way that was meant to mirror adolescent female maturation, I find the fact that it's greatly diminished or almost ignored entirely to be the reason why the anime is so emotionally shallow. To be honest, if you just say that the manga is "shallow" because it doesn't have as much content, I think it's a misuse of the word. The manga is the one with more depth in terms of character, relationships, and plot. The only thing that the anime has is really just more content. More content does not equal depth.

We probably have different definitions of depth. The anime explored several interesting issues and gave me a lot to think about. It was also fun and never lost sight of its characters. The character development itself was very subtle - such as the relationship between Usagi and Chibiusa changing from sisterly to a mother/daughter one (I was floored when I first noticed this and couldn't pinpoint when it happened). But Usagi's development ended with R. There was no way she could grow further than how she was at the end of it, and she never did - this is why S was stagnant and why I liked her being a bit side-lined in Super S. To keep her in the show they had to regress her somewhat, it's understandable.

veluriel said:
Is there some character development? Absolutely. But the amount of development and the pacing are very different. One of the things that irritated me was what they did to Rei. She became little more than a caricature. She went from being an elegant, man-hating, somewhat aloof yet tempermental girl with a lonely childhood to a boy crazy, hot-headed, and forceful brat. And she never really escapes this.

...did we watch the same show? Did I have an advantage from actually understanding Japanese?

Rei started out as a spoiled ojou-sama type brat. She always had that exaggeratedly snotty tone and faux-upperclass vocabulary which she used to talk down on basically everybody. She was also quite manipulative and really didn't think much of others. As the series progressed and she matured she stopped talking down to people, started listening more and became a strong and dependable friend. Her character flaws didn't disappear, but she stopped trying to mask them. And she had always been crazy about boys, just like every other Inner Senshi save for Ami (most of the time). Because she was teenage girl.

...they were 16/17 when the series ended, remember, not 20.

veluriel said:
This could be attributed to length - a 52 chapter manga doesn't really translate to a 200 episode anime by today's standards. In order to stretch things out, characters couldn't develop too quickly. There was probably also a fear that if they did mature, then it could cause a negative reaction among young viewers. In short, it was a safe move to keep them largely within the same structural/stereotypical molds. But this also relates back to the time in which it was made. If you go back and look at anime from that era, you won't see as many risks being taken. It's just the way it was 20 years ago.

No risks being taken? Super S side-lined the main character and spent most of its time thinking up creative sex metaphors. All seasons were full of LGBT messages and themes, something that is still risky now, in 2013. Villains were only ever killed after making sure we cared about them. The girls were more interested in boys than being perfectly pure maidens - how many mahou shoujo can you think of where the girls change crushes like once a week?

They probably had some episode quota to cover, but they were pretty good.

...and here's hoping I didn't make as many grammar mistakes and typos as I did my previous comment.

Feb 27, 2013 5:13 PM

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I feel like you're backtracking on your HP analysis to be honest. But I'm going to stick to Sailor Moon for now.

Kiraly said:

The problem with the manga is that (1) Usagi is too perfect and (2) it cares nothing about the side-characters. The villains are all cardboard cutouts, while the same characters in the anime are fantastic. The manga only explores certain character interaction and, more importantly, it doesn't feel like it has a message. Or if it does I didn't feel it.

Usagi is in no way perfect - she definitely has her faults and retains them even as she grows. She is in many ways a very average high school girl with problems regarding insecurities and the discovery of self. In the anime, the constant crying gets overused to the point of inanity. And she never really gains much introspective self-understanding. As I said before - very little character development.

As far as message... Did we read the same manga? It's about growing up, facing difficulties, learning who you are and how you fit into the world. It's about succeeding in the face of difficulties, whether they're simple ones born of the nature of adolescence, or complex ones regarding destiny, and the fate of the world.

If you're talking about the "messages" that were conveyed in individual episodes, that's a completely different thing. I feel that the anime succeeded in creating episodes that gave you a simplistic "life lesson" in each show, but that those vignettes overall did not succeed in conveying a deeper message about growing up. You got simple things like "don't judge a book by its cover" or "there's no 'I' in team." These are great in a kids show, which is the demographic Sailor Moon was aimed at, but they lack the true depth inherent in pieces that talk not of simplified adages, but to the experience of growing up overall. So the messages here come off as trite and overly simplistic rather than an overarching continuous theme.

Kiraly said:

...did we watch the same show? Did I have an advantage from actually understanding Japanese?

I've watched both the original Japanese (I've also studied the language and "actually" understand it) and English adaptation (that's the only way we got it back when I was a kid). The first show I ever downloaded was Sailor Stars. On dial-up. On AOL. *shudders* It was also my first experience with subtitles, beginning a long journey... haha. But I digress.

Kiraly said:

Rei started out as a spoiled ojou-sama type brat. She always had that exaggeratedly snotty tone and faux-upperclass vocabulary which she used to talk down on basically everybody. She was also quite manipulative and really didn't think much of others. As the series progressed and she matured she stopped talking down to people, started listening more and became a strong and dependable friend. Her character flaws didn't disappear, but she stopped trying to mask them. And she had always been crazy about boys, just like every other Inner Senshi save for Ami (most of the time). Because she was teenage girl.

Separating this into two points:

1) I was comparing manga Rei vs. anime Rei. There is a huge difference between the two. Her "upper class" vocabulary wouldn't be "faux" because she really was a rich girl at a private girls academy whose father was a powerful politician (See Casablanca Memory). In that same story, she says that she doesn't need love (she's adamant about never getting married as well), as she believes would be a monopolizer, and instead draws on her bonds with her friends for support. There's a lot about her past in there, and it gives a really solid picture of who she is and why she dislikes men so much (daddy issues, mostly). Her original character is much more complex, because as you said, all the other Inner Senshi sans Ami are "boy crazy." But Rei was never meant to be that way. She was meant to be aloof and arrogant, and because of where she starts in the manga personality wise, there's a huge development when she begins to learn how to trust others and value their opinions. The growth of her character is really amazing, and she does some of the most growth out of all of the main characters.

2) I am basing my second point on what I believe was your rebuttal to my saying that Rei "never really escapes" being an arrogant, hot-headed, forceful brat. As I already noted, yes there's some character development. But overall I felt that her development (just like everyone's) was just as lacking. To be fair though, my opinion is probably heavily colored by the fact that I was never fully satisfied with the personality that she started out with in the anime.

Side note: The idea that "teen girls are boy crazy" is a pretty big stereotype. One of the reasons I loved Rei was because she bucked the trend in popular media to portray girls as desperate for male attention and basing their entire lives on it. Media now is only barely getting away from that in their portrayal of girls; for her era Takeuchi was very ahead of the curve at creating truly unique characters that while fitting into basic forms, still managed to exceed them.

Kiraly said:

No risks being taken? Super S side-lined the main character and spent most of its time thinking up creative sex metaphors. All seasons were full of LGBT messages and themes, something that is still risky now, in 2013. Villains were only ever killed after making sure we cared about them. The girls were more interested in boys than being perfectly pure maidens - how many mahou shoujo can you think of where the girls change crushes like once a week?

Sexual metaphors and LGBT messages are neither rare nor particularly risky in Japanese anime or manga. Shounen ai and shojo ai are accepted categories (not to mention yaoi and yuri), and there's often a lot of acceptable unspoken subtext even in shows that don't explicitly categorize themselves as either. Going through the manga you find a lot more sexual subtext and allusions to F/F relationships. A lot more. Now, in the U.S. LGBT messages were definitely dangerously risky at the time (side note: crazy how far we've come!). It's why our English adaptation made Zoisite a girl, Fisheye a girl, and Haruka and Michiru "cousins." And although nowadays it's not as risky, most American companies would still probably be hesitant to put gay characters in their cartoons aimed at young children.

But we're not talking about the U.S. media - we're talking about Japan. Plenty of shows have characters that are "ambiguous" or are filled with bishie fanservice knowing full well that people will "ship" them in fandoms. They play to what the audience wants. Back when the show was first aired, I'm sure there was at least a little controversy, but it was overshadowed by the intense popularity of the show and the power it retained in popular culture. And in the time since then, more than a handful of anime have included such themes, whether M/M or F/F. I certainly wouldn't call it "risky" by today's standards in Japanese anime/pop culture. (tvtropes)

All of that aside, the risk I was talking about was risk in alienating young viewers by changing the characters. As children, change is very difficult to understand or accept in many ways. I was only trying to point out that they may not have allocated much thought towards character evolution because they weren't sure how it would be interpreted by their target audience. And when producers of children's shows put sexual subtext into it, it's usually for the laughs of the adults in the room (see Disney).

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Feb 27, 2013 11:44 PM

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it been confirmed very long ago in the first time the new sailor moon anoucced that it going to be a reboot which will follow exactly acording the manga

Feb 27, 2013 11:52 PM

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elior1 said:
it been confirmed very long ago in the first time the new sailor moon anoucced that it going to be a reboot which will follow exactly acording the manga

I checked the report of the original announcement and I could not see any mention of that is going to follow exactly according to the manga. Do you have the source?

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Feb 28, 2013 12:32 AM

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‎( ¬‿¬) lol this is suprising

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Feb 28, 2013 12:56 AM

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symbv said:

elior1 said:
it been confirmed very long ago in the first time the new sailor moon anoucced that it going to be a reboot which will follow exactly acording the manga

I checked the report of the original announcement and I could not see any mention of that is going to follow exactly according to the manga. Do you have the source?

Before Kiraly and I exchanged walls of text (apologies, lol) I posted about moonkitty.net's exchange with Fumio Osano on twitter.

Links:
moonkitty.net
Fumio Osano's twitter (he tweets in Japanese and English)

Basically the people at moonkitty have been trying to get as much information from him as they can. They haven't been able to confirm that it will "exactly follow the manga" however; only that it'll be a reboot and not a continuation after Stars. The reality is that there just isn't a lot of information being released.

P.S. For those that don't know, Fumio Osano is/was Naoko Takeuchi's editor.

Feb 28, 2013 1:15 AM

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^ The moonkitty.net site shows a lot of details. And the following details stand out:

QUOTE
Here's what we know so far...

It is confirmed that this anime is not an anime film, but a series.
The new Sailor Moon anime will be released simultaneously worldwide!
The band Momoiro Clover Z will be singing the opening theme song.
The anime will be a fresh reboot. i.e. Not a continuation of the original anime set after Sailor Stars.
END QUOTE

And this is what I got from the Japanese report of the original announcement as well.

And also this:

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We don't know what the story will be yet or what characters will be appearing. No idea if it will be an original creation much like the live action Sailor Moon series, Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon was or if it will be based on the Sailor Moon manga.
END QUOTE

This is why I would like to call out on elior1 to see where he learned that "it been confirmed very long ago in the first time the new sailor moon anoucced that it going to be a reboot which will follow exactly acording the manga". Spreading false news or presenting hearsay as "confirmed update" is a really inconsiderate and unacceptable thing to do.

Feb 28, 2013 6:30 PM

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I know what happened. MissDream who originally subbed the Sailor Moon 20th Anniversary talk had several misleading tweets which somehow led people to believe that this series was a reboot based on the manga saying things like "it is based on the manga for original fans of the series not kids" when that was just made up on their part. However, something like this was never stated at all. At the same time, they also "confirmed" that the song that Momoiro Clover sang would be the opening song which is not true. I doubt they would use a two year old song for the 2013 anime.

So honestly, we have no idea at all what the series will be like except for the fact that it will be new and it will be a series. I hope it will be more than one season/cour.

Mar 1, 2013 4:26 AM

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remake or not, expect a clearer version of Sailor Moon. if it is a remake, then people could watch this aside from naruto, bleach or gintama. but if it is a new story (but same transformations pls^^) + keep it ongoing, the better! we watched these girls during our childhood days and now we will see them again soon. time to party! :)

Mar 6, 2013 3:16 PM

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Do we have any idea yet how many episodes they plan to make for season 1?

Mar 7, 2013 12:12 AM

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my guess is since it will start in the summer we will get more information on this sailor moon in the spring

Mar 7, 2013 1:40 AM

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I recommend that they should remake the series of Sailor Moon S where the 4 inner senshi must have a Planet Wand...Like, "Mercury Planet Power, Make-Up!"...Their uniforms are the same but their crystals between their ribbons in the chest must have a "HEART" shape..Then, In Sailor Moon Super S, they can be strengthened by Pegasus by turning them into Super Sailor Senshis but their transformation Wands is the same also...This could be make sense because in Sailor Stars arc, The four outer senshis have been strengthened by Sailor Saturn in Episode 167 but their wands are the same, Planet Wands...This is why the creators of the anime hasn't shown the transformation of uranus, neptune, and pluto, I think. Then, after the 5 Dream Arc Episodes with Queen Nehelenia, All soldiers can say, "Mercury Crystal Power, Make-Up!" where they can be turn into Sailor Stars Senshis...They can be called as, "Sailor Star Mercury"......For this matter, I think Sailor Moon Sailor Stars will not be the final season, because there are so many pages in the manga that has been forgotten to create because of these.

Mar 7, 2013 11:25 AM

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elior1 said:
my guess is since it will start in the summer we will get more information on this sailor moon in the spring

I don't think that's a guess, that was the airing estimate given in the initial announcement. Hopefully they stick to it! If so, we should get more info in the next few months.

Mar 7, 2013 5:52 PM

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Its inuyasha all over again... Please don't mess this up.

Mar 7, 2013 8:01 PM

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If they mess this up. I gonna rage like never before.

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Mar 8, 2013 12:48 PM

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I hope this season doesn't ruin the whole story

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Mar 12, 2013 12:02 PM

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ele-channina said:
I hope this season doesn't ruin the whole story

It's not a season. It's a brand new series, starting from the very beginning.

Mar 14, 2013 2:49 AM

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Interesting, looking forward to the anime, not sure about the theme song though...though as long as it is slightly decent, I'm happy...

Mar 15, 2013 2:25 AM

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KittyKatWombat said:
not sure about the theme song though

They should definitely make an updated version of Moonlight Densetsu (like Saint Seiya Omega did with Pegasus Fantasy). I don't think it will be better than the original (like Saint Seiya Omega did with Pegasus Fantasy :P although it's quite decent) but it's a step in the right direction to get both old fans going nuts with nostalgia -in a good or bad way, depends on if they like it- and could encourage the new generations into looking for the older Sailor Moon stuff.

They should really put a whole bunch of money and make the animation anything from decent (at worst) to excellent (at best), nothing lower than that. Obviously story and development should get a dip into the moneys, but that's a given. (they might feel more compelled to cut back in animation than in anything else, given it's a magical girl show)

Mar 15, 2013 2:28 AM

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I might actually watch it now.Got this off google.

Mod Edit: Please use spoiler tags for large images.

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Mar 15, 2013 2:33 AM

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kyuubi-hollow said:
I might actually watch it now.Got this off google.

You know that's just fanart right?

Still counting the minutes to new Sailor Moon. :D

Mar 15, 2013 2:57 AM

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FrauKoujiro said:
WHAT!????

Precisely what I first said.

Mar 15, 2013 11:20 AM

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FREAKING CAN"T WAIT!!!! :D Am so excited!
I hope it's a bit like the last season of the original one. :D

and shouldn't it be Josei? rather than Shoujo?
Since they did say that it was aimed at original fans, who i'm pretty sure are in their 20s and over by now. I watched it when i was 6 and am now 23.

Anyways wow 3 months to go and still no new info?? whyyyy?!

Mar 15, 2013 11:58 PM

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looking forward for the new artwork !

Dota 2 Esports Stories are a fuckin Anime IRL Anime Sports

Mar 16, 2013 5:49 AM

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Just checking my forum avatar uploaded properly.

Mar 16, 2013 5:51 AM

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Bilberry said:
I never watch the original anime and I don't feel like watching 200 episodes so I could give it a try :D

You're missing out.

Mar 16, 2013 1:00 PM

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Bilberry said:
I never watch the original anime and I don't feel like watching 200 episodes so I could give it a try :D

Well, you should at least see 1st season.

I wonder what are the chances of old seiyuu returning...

Mar 19, 2013 8:10 PM

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I'm really looking forward to it!

Mar 20, 2013 2:54 AM

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FrauKoujiro said:
WHAT!????

Apr 5, 2013 4:47 AM

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Kleferi

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To be honest, I still don't believe there will be new Sailor Moon anime.

Apr 5, 2013 4:51 AM

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Psajdak said:
To be honest, I still don't believe there will be new Sailor Moon anime.

Togashi has relations

Apr 5, 2013 5:02 AM

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Kleferi

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Excuse, but I don't understand.

Togashi?
Relations?

Apr 5, 2013 5:13 AM

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Psajdak said:
Excuse, but I don't understand.

Togashi?
Relations?

Togashi, the creator of Yu Yu Hakusho and Hunter x Hunter is married to the creator of Sailor Moon, Takeuchi Naoki :P

And he is well known for going into long periods of hiatus over and over again, so I guess he's comparing them ... that's what the guy above you probably meant =)

PolychromeApr 5, 2013 5:17 AM

Apr 5, 2013 9:35 AM

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Has there been ANY new information revealed about this after it was announced?

Apr 5, 2013 10:56 AM

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Xybirk said:
Has there been ANY new information revealed about this after it was announced?

Other than some tweets, not really. I read on some news site that Morimoiro Z (or however the hell their name is spelt) was releasing the new OP April 4th but looking around, I found nothing. The site must have just been speculating but if that were the case then they should have specified. Assholes.

edit; I lied, I found it. It's just a redux of Moonlight Densetsu:
double edit; Actually, I don't think this is it, either. They never really officially stated that this was going to be the new OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7UTNzuwjQY

VesanusApr 5, 2013 8:15 PM

Apr 5, 2013 1:29 PM

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if this will be realy the new opening then it going to be great i love it

Apr 22, 2013 5:21 AM

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there is a chance it will be delayed becouse of that http://sailormoonnews.com/2013/04/14/original-sailor-moon-anime-to-replay-in-japan-starting-may-5th/

Apr 22, 2013 8:18 AM

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jmal said:
I think more likely the original is re-airing because the new series was delayed, rather than the other way around. But yes with no news after so long, I wasn't surprised when information about the new show being delayed started circulating. It wasn't going to happen in Summer if they haven't even started their PR two months out.

This is why you generally shouldn't make exact release dates when you first announce something far in advance. These types of deals almost always seem to be delayed (or cancelled like Savanna Game)

Apr 22, 2013 8:55 AM

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RyanSaotome said:

This is why you generally shouldn't make exact release dates when you first announce something far in advance. These types of deals almost always seem to be delayed (or cancelled like Savanna Game)

Savanna Game was cancelled? Nooooooooooooo ;-;

Apr 22, 2013 9:32 AM

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Koromo_Toshinou said:

RyanSaotome said:

This is why you generally shouldn't make exact release dates when you first announce something far in advance. These types of deals almost always seem to be delayed (or cancelled like Savanna Game)

Savanna Game was cancelled? Nooooooooooooo ;-;

Well, not "officially" cancelled, but its novels website hasn't even been updated since July last year and we haven't heard anything about the anime since early last year. I think its safe to say its been canned, especially since they originally announced it as a Winter 2013 anime and we haven't heard anything since it passed that airing frame.

Apr 22, 2013 9:50 AM

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elior1 said:
there is a chance it will be delayed becouse of that http://sailormoonnews.com/2013/04/14/original-sailor-moon-anime-to-replay-in-japan-starting-may-5th/

6 months, the remake may end up a winter 2014 anime.

Apr 26, 2013 4:31 PM

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Unless the remake is airing exclusively on TV Asahi, I don't know how that would push it back. As of right now it's scheduled for July and I haven't seen anything yet saying otherwise.

Apr 26, 2013 4:33 PM

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starrysky said:
Unless the remake is airing exclusively on TV Asahi, I don't know how that would push it back. As of right now it's scheduled for July and I haven't seen anything yet saying otherwise.

Scheduled where??? What have you seen about it recently?

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