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Apr 24, 2012 6:54 PM

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ch... touch choice, I love both but voted 'to the beginning' since it fits the mood for FZ perfectly imo, I really like the lyric.

Stilll, nothing beats MEMORIA though.
Apr 24, 2012 9:43 PM

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I like both of them but I like Oath Sign a bit more.

Apr 24, 2012 11:35 PM

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LanceC said:
Reposting what I said on the other thread:

The only thing I hate though is Maiya's entrance when the chorus kicks in, why does the character I hate the most have to enter at the best part of the song lol. I also don't like the Motorcycle scene, it's pointless and stayed too long.


No bro, just no. The Motorcycle scene gives me goosebumps everytime i see it.. DAT LANDSCAPE
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Apr 25, 2012 12:46 AM

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to the beginning for OP
MEMORIA for ED
My only dissapointment in 2nd OP is the lack of Berserker.
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"Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night
"We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER
"Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate
"We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita
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Apr 25, 2012 1:37 AM

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Reposting what I wrote in another thread:
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I still think the new OP is lazy though. It doesn't have the impact of the first one...
Because there's no action? It has a more emotional and meaningful impact for me, showing most masters and servants facing away and being all gloomy, while focusing more on Kiritsugu and foreshadowing what's to come. I prefer this opening and think it's a perfect fit for the second season. Musically, it's a lot better too, imo; but then again, I'm probably biased because it's Kalafina... Well, it's all subjective and opinions.
Apr 25, 2012 1:49 AM

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To the Beginning. No contest.

I love the chorus and the shot of Saber on her motorcycle.
Apr 25, 2012 1:53 AM

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I like Oath Sign as a song better. For some reason I remember it more than To The Beginning. Also, the first opening was, in a way, more flashy and interesting with all the things going on. Except the Saber vs. Assassin thing and the Excalibur seemed like they were included just for the heck of it.

I like To The Beginning as the opening song to Fate/zero better. The tone fits Fate/zero and the opening animation itself is more atmospheric and less actiony, which again fits Fate/zero. Though, the opening has a spoiler or three that are pretty critical to the story. That was kinda unfortunate.
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Apr 25, 2012 1:54 AM

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I think To the Beginning has more of that melancholy that fits in Fate/Zero's tone more than Oath Sign. The OP does a good job foreshadowing some tragedy down the road, and pretty much gives you an idea on how this might end.

Though musically, I liked Oath Sign better. That's just me.
Apr 25, 2012 2:28 AM

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To the Beginning


Apr 25, 2012 2:39 AM

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As a song I like "to the beginning more" but I think that "oath sign" fitted fate/zero perfectly so I voted for the third option,since both are incredible!

Apr 25, 2012 5:34 AM
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Shocked said:
I like Oath Sign as a song better. For some reason I remember it more than To The Beginning. Also, the first opening was, in a way, more flashy and interesting with all the things going on. Except the Saber vs. Assassin thing and the Excalibur seemed like they were included just for the heck of it.

I like To The Beginning as the opening song to Fate/zero better. The tone fits Fate/zero and the opening animation itself is more atmospheric and less actiony, which again fits Fate/zero. Though, the opening has a spoiler or three that are pretty critical to the story. That was kinda unfortunate.
That's what you call foreshadowing. It's hard to "spoil" when you don't know what is actually spoiled. Considering you don't know it's a spoiler unless you have previous knowledge or reached certain parts of the Stay Night VN, it's perfectly fine abstract Foreshadowing.

Apr 25, 2012 7:08 AM
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Yup, foreshadowing everywhere.
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Apr 25, 2012 7:56 AM

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I hate to say it, but I can't choose between the two in terms of songs.

Visually, both are stunning, but in terms of animation, I'd have to go with the second opening. The scene where the camera is tracking the back of the motorcycle takes my breath away every time.

In terms of songs, "oath sign" is a good piece of orchestral rock while "to the beginning" is another good addition to Kalafina's already-impressive repertoire of baroque pop and rock. While "to the beginning" isn't Kalafina's best, it's still enjoyable. In my eyes, I see them as both equal.
Apr 25, 2012 2:00 PM

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I'd have to go with To the Beginning as my favorite since it played with my emotions more. Though Oath Sign did a pretty good job too.
Apr 26, 2012 11:27 AM

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It's tough to beat Kalafina. Oath Sign...didn't succeed.

But I do agree with all those who say Memoria > new ED.
Apr 26, 2012 12:47 PM
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Redfoxoffire said:
It's tough to beat Kalafina. Oath Sign...didn't succeed.

But I do agree with all those who say Memoria > new ED.
It's funny so many people claim they like it over To The Begginning when I remember the outcry of fans who hated Oath Sign's shounen-like animation and run of the mill song and were outright sad that Kalafina had not been handed either OP or ED singing roles even though Kajiura was at the helm of the show's music.

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Leon-Gun said:
Redfoxoffire said:
It's tough to beat Kalafina. Oath Sign...didn't succeed.

But I do agree with all those who say Memoria > new ED.
It's funny so many people claim they like it over To The Begginning when I remember the outcry of fans who hated Oath Sign's shounen-like animation and run of the mill song and were outright sad that Kalafina had not been handed either OP or ED singing roles even though Kajiura was at the helm of the show's music.

The people raging against Oath Sign, were a completely different set of people than those who are currently stating that they preferred it to To the Beginning. As for me, it isn't even a contest, in that I vastly prefer the new OP to Oath Sign. As a standalone piece, Oath Sign wasn't necessarily bad, but it would've been horrible at indicating the mood of Fate/Zero, especially throughout the 2nd half. It was a peppy, fairly generic J-Pop piece, while To the Beginning was specifically written for the series, with lyrics that heavily reference its plot.
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Apr 26, 2012 3:59 PM
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LunarMoon said:
Leon-Gun said:
Redfoxoffire said:
It's tough to beat Kalafina. Oath Sign...didn't succeed.

But I do agree with all those who say Memoria > new ED.
It's funny so many people claim they like it over To The Begginning when I remember the outcry of fans who hated Oath Sign's shounen-like animation and run of the mill song and were outright sad that Kalafina had not been handed either OP or ED singing roles even though Kajiura was at the helm of the show's music.

The people raging against Oath Sign, were a completely different set of people than those who are currently stating that they preferred it to To the Beginning. As for me, it isn't even a contest, in that I vastly prefer the new OP to Oath Sign. As a standalone piece, Oath Sign wasn't necessarily bad, but it would've been horrible at indicating the mood of Fate/Zero, especially throughout the 2nd half. It was a peppy, fairly generic J-Pop piece, while To the Beginning was specifically written for the series, with lyrics that heavily reference its plot.
I guess I agree, the fans that hated Oath sign and the ones that now defend it are much different. I mostly find the contrast between the two sets of very vocal fans interesting.

Apr 26, 2012 6:52 PM

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To The Beginning since I like it better both as a song and opening for the anime; I believe it fits Fate/Zero perfectly. Any Kalafina song is reminiscent of Kara no Kyoukai for me so that also contributed to how much I love the song.
Apr 27, 2012 3:27 AM

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LanceC said:
Reposting what I said on the other thread:


To the Beginning:
Amazing OP, I didn't think this one would top Oath Sign (Oath set the bar too high) but this is really incredible. This one really fits the show better being a sad and tragic anime and all, and now I think Oath Sign gives a more shounen-y feeling. The intro is also better than Oath's even though they have the similar visual (water under bridge on Oath, Rocky terrain with swords on Beginning) and it really gets you in the mood. Animation is top-notch as well, I like the part where Kiri is floating in the water then an afterimage of Iri hugs him in the next shot.

The only thing I hate though is Maiya's entrance when the chorus kicks in, why does the character I hate the most have to enter at the best part of the song lol. I also don't like the Motorcycle scene, it's pointless and stayed too long.


Yeah why does Maiya have to be there, of all people. The motorcycle scene is captivating, but too long. 3 or 4 seconds are long enough but they decided to extend to 9 seconds.

Overall the symbolism in To the Beginning is better than Oath Sign, with those lyrics and Irisviel scenes foreshadowing the incoming events.

The 2nd season's OP and ED focuses too much on Kiritsugu's team though. Not that its a bad thing (they're the main characters so they deserves that), but maybe its a little bit much. All other characters except Kirei and Tokiomi doesn't even get to show their faces.
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Apr 30, 2012 2:43 AM
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I think to the beginning better.FATE ZERO is a dark novel,Oath Sign don't accord with style of this novel.
Apr 30, 2012 11:38 AM
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to the beggining
for the endings though, its the opposite
May 1, 2012 8:28 AM

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As a song I like oath sign a lot, just my preference since I really like LiSA voice and the song fits her perfectly. I almost cried when girlsdemo was disbanded but was happy about her solo career.

But considering the opening as a whole, to the beginning with the opening video and the image of the series fits the show much better, it have a darker tone, well, it's just Kalafina, no surprise here, not that they can't manage something lively but it fits their voices and Kajiura style better, the animation foreshadowing a ton of stuff from the series, focusing on the main character and in the sad reality of Urobuchi works. In the opening with that video, to the beginning is just better.
May 1, 2012 6:48 PM

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To the Beginning has sonething nice inside it. I don't know what.

But I really prefer Oath Sign. It's the kind of song for a "Fate" series.
May 2, 2012 8:01 PM

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Different styles, can't really choose one.
May 26, 2012 12:23 AM

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"Oath Sign" is catchy and all the visuals are great. I personally find LiSA's voice much easier to listen to especially at the high point of the song when Saber uses Excalibur.
As for "To the Beginning", as many have already mentioned, the motorcycle shot is far too long and I find having Iris bleeding from the mouth and eyes a bit too much.
May 26, 2012 5:24 AM
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"Oath Sign" is catchy and all the visuals are great. I personally find LiSA's voice much easier to listen to especially at the high point of the song when Saber uses Excalibur.
As for "To the Beginning", as many have already mentioned, the motorcycle shot is far too long and I find having Iris bleeding from the mouth and eyes a bit too much.
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May 26, 2012 9:21 AM

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Animation wise Oath/Sign wins by miles but song wise it will always be Kalafina To the Beginning. It catches well the theme of Fate/Zero thanks to Kaijura's lyrics.

Ending well, Memoria will always be the best. While the second ending is beautiful, especially if you are a fan of Kiritsugu x Iri, Memoria has the servants when they were alive. And the song is superb.
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At First I Really Like "Oath Sign" More Than "To The Beginning" But As The Time Flies And Every Time I'm Listening "To The Beginning", I Become Liking It More Than The "Oath Sign".


May 26, 2012 1:08 PM

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Both are epic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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May 26, 2012 2:35 PM

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Both are kinda ZZZZZZZZZ for me, but at least TTB has good studio singers. Oath Sign has a random amateur shouting like crazy.
If we're talking about the OP themselves, both are also bland, but oath sign is still "better".
May 26, 2012 3:29 PM

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i lieked Oath Sign better.
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May 27, 2012 11:58 PM
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I like both very much, but overall I prefer Oath Sign.
Jul 11, 2012 10:49 AM

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Miya_F_Exia said:
Oath Sign has a random amateur shouting like crazy.


What? Since when has LiSA been an amateur who shouts like crazy? O_o
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damn... still gives me goosebumps when I hear these openings...
special ending's intro is for me one of the best musical moment of F/Z
Jul 13, 2012 4:15 AM

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Oath Sign. If it was only music then definitelly To the Beginning (Kalafina's songs have a huge power). However, since it's about opening themes, animation is a huge part of it for me.

Oath Sign left much greater impact on me, the animation is in nearlyperfect sync with the sound, the introduction of the contestants of the battle over Holy Grail is incredible and it protrays the fighting style/attitude of everyone important. The only flaw I see in Oath Sign is that in the charatcer intro, you can't see all heroic spirits with their masters, only a few of them but that's not such a drawback, since it's most likely to give some tone of mystery about spirits to it. Oh, and (not really a flaw just a negative note) it doesn't feel unusual, it's very good both music wise and animation wise but 90% of the better fighting anime openings have the same feel.

To the Beginning is superior music wise and far inferior animation and fluency wise. Most of the time the animaton doesn't go along the song and it fails to catch the power of the song, what is very disappointing. The flow of the animation is equal to the song only in very few scenes. It feels way too rushed and not thought through what is dumb considering that they took several months break to make the show perfect. The charatcer introduction makes me feel/tells me nothing and you can't get even basic understanding of their attitude from it (if it changed compared to the first one or stayed the same). The charatcers feel emotionless themselves as if they were just figurines. You can't see who they are, just what they look like unlike Oath Sign. And since now it's probably going to be more drama than 1st season, it's a huge drawback.

Both openings, however, fit to the season they're in. Oath Sign is more actiony, while To the Beginning is more emotional. But I still feel they could have done MUCH better job with a song like To the Beginning.


This, but I really prefer Oath Sign. It easily became one of my favorite openings. I was quite disappointed after watching the second seasons' opening but its still good.

I liked the first seasons' opening/ending better than the second.

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Honestly, I enjoy listening to "To The Beginning" more than "Oath Sign". Don't get me wrong I love both but "To The Beginning" just clicked more I suppose. It also fit the season perfectly and the animation went along well with it. I wish more openings could make me feel emotion like it.
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I cant help but say its hard to choose either one since they were both perfect. Since one makes me feel strong powerful and ready for action. While the other makes me feel more emotional and careing on a spirit level.
In the end my heart cant lie and it says Oath Sign(by Lisa) is best.(my opinion tho)
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Personally I liked part 2's OP song To the Beginning(by Kalafina) better this time around.
Aug 23, 2012 2:48 PM

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I prefere Oath's sign. The music and video as well.

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I'm a huge Kalafina fan so it's definitely to the beginning for me. Oath Sign was real good too, though. Both fit their respective seasons well, the other being more upbeat than the other.
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To the Beginning by far.
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I enjoyed Oath Sign way more than To the Beginning.
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Most novel readers would choose To the Beginning because of how well it fits.
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Most novel readers would choose To the Beginning because of how well it fits.


I wonder if it is so hard for anime only viewers to see how much it fits...
Nov 26, 2012 1:43 PM

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both are great songs so I can hardly make a choice between them. But to be honest Oath Sign seems to be a little bit more favourable if I have to pick up one. I like LiSA's voice :)
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BloodRequiem said:
Most novel readers would choose To the Beginning because of how well it fits.


I wonder if it is so hard for anime only viewers to see how much it fits...


Considering how To The Beginning is dominating the polls, I guess not.
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Dec 12, 2012 12:54 PM

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Can't choose. Both gave me such an epic eargasm.
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