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| IM NOT READY FOR THIS TO END!!! T________T |
| Awesome episode! So many beautiful seqences. Shoma is the Master of Romantic in this episode. Next episode boys'll have to come of of their closets boxes! Can't wait can't wait can't wait |
| Hahaha, I believe that a decision to watch the final arc without commenting and thinking much on it was wise one. Getting so many answers and confirmations of our theories is really nice. 1. My trolling guess is that the burned diary didn't contain the spell. I believe the spell might be in a book Himari took from the library in episode 9, i.e. in the "Superfrog saves Tokyo". Considering Mario and Himari are both controlled by Momoka, Mario should be aware of the book existance. And it now makes sense for him to finally get into the scene and bring this book to Shouma. 2. Kamba and Shouma both riding the train of fate - so they're both pretty much dead now, I guess. My 2nd trolling guess is that all three of them will end up as Triple-H on heaven, i.e. turn into three moiraes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirae - the pic on the wiki even has them dressed on dresses of the same colour as Shouma, Himari, and Kamba's hairs. And the penguins story after the ED aludes to this heavily. Perhaps that's what really is the meaning behind the story: No.1, No.2, and No.3 are the three moiraes. And Himari, Shouma, and Kamba are their earth replicas. Or maybe it's just me seeking for Ringo x Shouma possibilities, haha... 3. Kamba killing Shouma... ah that was so much Cain and Abel like. Ikuhara's truly amazing at mixing all known myths, legends, and religions into a single story... 4. I wonder about the next episode... it'll be aired 9 minutes later than usual which made m think.. what if they gonna make a double-episode... I mean.. there're 25 stations! I want 25 episodes too...oh well.. I guess we'll see reaching the station 25 after the credits in episode 24.. with the world returning to normal. Orulyon said: Shouma is already dead. Otherwise he would be unable to ride the train of fate, the train which delivers to the destination of fate. Consider the Galaxy Express from the Night on the Galactic Railroad reference. The trip of Giovanni and Campanella.Anyway i still have a bad feeling about it. I believe Shou will be replacing Momoka and consequently dying. He is with Momoka now and Kanba is with Sanetoshi in the train filled with bombs so its the same event that took Momoka´s life. Orulyon said: This time Shouma's already dead - I think that's the only reason he's able to speak with the hat.Also, it seems that real Momoka can only talk to Shouma, otherwise she would be as princess of crystal, but this time we know its Momoka and she was waiting for Shouma. Vanisher said: Come on, he was an obvious villain since his appearance in episode 9. His sweetness in later episodes is that of a pure devil.Satenoshi could had a little more time to develop as a villian , but it was ok , maybe we will see more next episodes. Raven_Shinobi said: Yes, I agree. Sanetoshi is just like every other character in the show - abandoned and lonely. If perhaps Momoka "saved" him, he wouldn't even seek for this world's endtimes. I think I even posted something similar before in the episode 20's thread. It was the episode where he talks to Himari about chasing and running. I think Ikuhara raises a really one-million-question here: of God wouldn't abandon Satan and exile him from Heavens but keep sharing love with him, would Satan even start the war against God? I.e. Ikuhara kinda tells us: if everybody just spreaded love without seeking anything in return, would there be a place for abandonement, would there be a place for ill-behaviour?Sanetoshi's monologue at the beginning and the end of the episode raises a lot of question why he's so hell-bent on destroying the world, but I surmised from the bunny assistants that he also might have been an unwanted child and sent to the child broiler. I hope the next episode enlightens us more on his past. |
soulelleDec 16, 2011 4:18 AM
Orulyon said: Did i just see Kanba hugging Shouma?*A* Fangirl scream mikado34 said: Wow, this episode is made for building up the dislike for Kanba. I couldn't believe he knocked out Shouma, lead Ringo into that trap and then burned the diary. Kamba is doing so to rescue Himari. I think he also actually cares for Shouma, too, but he still have to do so to get what he wants. This all goes for the pink hair guy, who got him into involving with his own plan on destroying the world. soulelle said: Hahaha, I believe that a decision to watch the final arc without commenting and thinking much on it was wise one. Getting so many answers and confirmations of our theories is really nice. 1. My trolling guess is that the burned diary didn't contain the spell. I believe the spell might be in a book Himari took from the library in episode 9, i.e. in the "Superfrog saves Tokyo". Considering Mario and Himari are both controlled by Momoka, Mario should be aware of the book existance. And it now makes sense for him to finally get into the scene and bring this book to Shouma. 2. Kamba and Shouma both riding the train of fate - so they're both pretty much dead now, I guess. My 2nd trolling guess is that all three of them will end up as Triple-H on heaven, i.e. turn into three moiraes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirae - the pic on the wiki even has them dressed on dresses of the same colour as Shouma, Himari, and Kamba's hairs. And the penguins story after the ED aludes to this heavily. Perhaps that's what really is the meaning behind the story: No.1, No.2, and No.3 are the three moiraes. And Himari, Shouma, and Kamba are their earth replicas. Or maybe it's just me seeking for Ringo x Shouma possibilities, haha... 3. Kamba killing Shouma... ah that was so much Cain and Abel like. Ikuhara's truly amazing at mixing all known myths, legends, and religions into a single story... 4. I wonder about the next episode... it'll be aired 9 minutes later than usual which made m think.. what if they gonna make a double-episode... I mean.. there're 25 stations! I want 25 episodes too...oh well.. I guess we'll see reaching the station 25 after the credits in episode 24.. with the world returning to normal. Orulyon said: Shouma is already dead. Otherwise he would be unable to ride the train of fate, the train which delivers to the destination of fate. Consider the Galaxy Express from the Night on the Galactic Railroad reference. The trip of Giovanni and Campanella.Anyway i still have a bad feeling about it. I believe Shou will be replacing Momoka and consequently dying. He is with Momoka now and Kanba is with Sanetoshi in the train filled with bombs so its the same event that took Momoka´s life. Orulyon said: This time Shouma's already dead - I think that's the only reason he's able to speak with the hat.Also, it seems that real Momoka can only talk to Shouma, otherwise she would be as princess of crystal, but this time we know its Momoka and she was waiting for Shouma. Vanisher said: Come on, he was an obvious villain since his appearance in episode 9. His sweetness in later episodes is that of a pure devil.Satenoshi could had a little more time to develop as a villian , but it was ok , maybe we will see more next episodes. Raven_Shinobi said: Yes, I agree. Sanetoshi is just like every other character in the show - abandoned and lonely. If perhaps Momoka "saved" him, he wouldn't even seek for this world's endtimes. I think I even posted something similar before in the episode 20's thread. It was the episode where he talks to Himari about chasing and running. I think Ikuhara raises a really one-million-question here: of God wouldn't abandon Satan and exile him from Heavens but keep sharing love with him, would Satan even start the war against God? I.e. Ikuhara kinda tells us: if everybody just spreaded love without seeking anything in return, would there be a place for abandonement, would there be a place for ill-behaviour?Sanetoshi's monologue at the beginning and the end of the episode raises a lot of question why he's so hell-bent on destroying the world, but I surmised from the bunny assistants that he also might have been an unwanted child and sent to the child broiler. I hope the next episode enlightens us more on his past. And wait, Shouma already died? Damn it's really confusing because I thought Kamba only shot him to knock him unconscious. |
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| It is nostalgic to see doctor saentoshi say "Survival Strategy" that was of my most fav. things about this show... |
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| I am looking forward to next week. |
tsubasalover said: well, that's how I understood it. I may be wrong of course. But that white/grey KIGA ball was the same one which was shot in ep.22 before Kamba got wounded. And I also don't think it's possible to ride the train of fate without dying.. oh well.. unless there's an exception as it was the case with Giovanni in the Night on the Galactic Railroad.And wait, Shouma already died? Damn it's really confusing because I thought Kamba only shot him to knock him unconscious. |
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Shouma is already dead. Otherwise he would be unable to ride the train of fate, the train which delivers to the destination of fate. Consider the Galaxy Express from the Night on the Galactic Railroad reference. The trip of Giovanni and Campanella. Kanba is also on that train, so he's dead too? When did he die? I didn't notice. |
| it was amusing seeing sanetoshi in the middle of people like he doesn't exist talking his mind out himari seems really hard to die xD that commercial was too creepy =_= about the fate spell, if it really was only written in the diary it means it may be possible to use it if someone knows it, or discover it again it felt a bit ironic all sanetoshi and kanba did was only to eliminate a written copy of the spell but not the spell itself |
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Snowley said: Actually, I assume he is. The amount of blood spilling from his body in ep.22 didn't really shine with life compatibility, you know... It's true that No.1 didn't even get a tiny bit transparent back then, unlike No.3 or Esmeralda, for example. And it's also true that the brothers are really something to survive things like getting hit by a car etc... but that's probably another reason which makes me question the validity of their lifes...Kanba is also on that train, so he's dead too? When did he die? I didn't notice. |
soulelle said: Snowley said: Actually, I assume he is. The amount of blood spilling from his body in ep.22 didn't really shine with life compatibility, you know... It's true that No.1 didn't even get a tiny bit transparent back then, unlike No.3 or Esmeralda, for example. And it's also true that the brothers are really something to survive things like getting hit by a car etc... but that's probably another reason which makes me question the validity of their lifes...Kanba is also on that train, so he's dead too? When did he die? I didn't notice. Wow, I think you read too much into it. Dying from hand wound would be pretty lame death for an anime character, and Shoma getting hit by a car was more like a device to show that a)he's a good person and kinda cares for Ringo b)to provide the hospital scene with Kanba. Also, Natsume hit people with candy-like bullets simmilar to Kanba's and shot person turned zombie, but not dead. So my opinion is that he really did something to Shoma, but it wasn't killing him. Of course I can't say you're wrong, it's Penguindrum, so anything's possible, right? |
| Wow! Intense and completely gobsmacking! Or in Sanetoshi's words: Wasn't it electrifying? This Anime is a masterpiece! I'm not emotionally prepared for the last episode :S But what the hell was with that commercial in between?Weeeeird... Can someone explain this to me? xDD |
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lucidwolfe said: Orulyon said: perhaps this will turn into shounen-ai and Kanba will realize that the one he really loved was Shouma XP kidding. this. I replayed that hug at least 3 times xD Same. My guilty pleasure of the ep. |
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| Ringo read that diary over and over again. She might be able to figure it out as by now she must have memorised it all. |
| -sigh- What really pissed me off in this episode was not Kanba shooting Shouma or burning the diary....yeah that was really cruel of him but the thing that got me was how he seems to want to sacrifise everything for Himari but when his real sister was dying...wait when she did die his reactions were....well kind of emotionless for me and then he just turned his back to her not even looking back a single time.Yes, I get that he loves Himari but wasn't family also important?Yes, he did protect her in the last episode but this scene was...I don't know he didn't beg Sanetoshi to save her at all. In fact, they used her as a guinea pig for Sanetoshi to proove he can keep his part of the deal. |
| I honestly think Kanba is trolling Satenoshi and this a plan to get rid of him for how he tricked thier parents. Im also gonna say that Ringo has become the diary and she is gonna use it next episode. |
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"soulelle" said: Shouma is already dead. Otherwise he would be unable to ride the train of fate, the train which delivers to the destination of fate. Consider the Galaxy Express from the Night on the Galactic Railroad reference. The trip of Giovanni and Campanella. Not necessarily. Giovanni boarded the train in the Night on the Galactic Railroad, but he was not dead. After all, he returned to his home-town. Besides, it was hinted that Giovanni didn't die, he was the only one with a special ticket. "Raven_Shinobi" said: As much as Kanba might hate Shouma's goody-two-shoes act, I don't think he has it in him to kill the boy that he had grown up with and regarded as a brother for the past decade I agree with you that Kanba probably didn't kill Shouma. The moment when Kanba shoots Shouma reminded me of the moment when Anthy stabs Utena in the back. |
Lain666Dec 16, 2011 10:52 AM
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
| Next week cannot come fast enough. |
Redfoxoffire said: Next week cannot come fast enough. Seriously... and I cannot wait to see what happens when the "penguin hats" finally are united! FABULOUS MAX. |
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| this episode.. PERFECT |
| Only one left... ;w; |
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| Is it next week yet? Awesome as always. One thing though - I fucking hate the fake-out deaths in this series. They drive me batty every time. Oh, and I still have faith in Kanba. Just gonna be over here rooting for Himari x Kanba, Shouma x Himari, and family ending.. what the fuck has this show done to me. I don't even know what I want. |
| Words don't come to mind That whole episode was just ... I can't think of a proper word |
VioLink said: I honestly think Kanba is trolling Satenoshi and this a plan to get rid of him for how he tricked thier parents. Im also gonna say that Ringo has become the diary and she is gonna use it next episode. Idem |
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| The reason why I even got an account here is because I enjoyed reading the comments for this anime. There's so many possibilities even this late in the game. o: o: Anyways. I know it's random, but I think Momoka will materialize when the hats are reunited. (I hope). I bet she'll be like hella pretty. x3 I'm excited for that.. If it happens. I hated Shouma x Himari but the scene was too romantic to ignore. Himari really did have feelings for him, so it's sweet. However, it's gotta be Ringo x Shouma for me. I still find it weird that Sanetoshi (sp?) is in love with Momoka. I mean, I get why but..She's a child? Well maybe the PoC is still another entity? Like how the bunny boys are different from Sanetoshi? I dunno... I also think that Kan has something under his sleeve. He's always so sneaky. Even so, he shouldn't get off scott free for hurting all these people, even Ringo. T_T I might forgive him on his sexy voice alone. Maybe there really is a reset button, but it'll come at the cost of something important and special. Someone might die or fated ones may never meet. We'll see. Random, but I found Natsume's maid/friend crying for her to be so sweet. I was starting to believe that she was truly alone. Ringo and Natsume are the best characters really. Their self sacrifices weren't selfish like Himari's (accepting death knowing that Kan would be bitter and take it out on the world.) |
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VioLink said: I honestly think Kanba is trolling Satenoshi and this a plan to get rid of him for how he tricked thier parents. Im also gonna say that Ringo has become the diary and she is gonna use it next episode. +1 |
| I think this has to be one of the top 5 best episodes of Mawaru Penguindrum. Everything was perfect in this episode. That opening of ShoumaxRingo was freaking sad and sweet. Sometimes I wonder what Shouma feels about Ringo, he doesn't express much to her, but he doesn't deny anything either. I also don't get his feelings for Himari, is it actual Love, or just cause she's his "sister". It's clear Himari likes Shouma, but not as a brother... With one episode left, I don't know how they will end all of this.... Wasn't the penguindrum something of which that dealt with Ringo? How is it now on the train of fate with Kanba? I don't get anything in this awesome show. Although, I never really tried to really look into everything, lol. Hopefully, next episode isn't so much of a mind-fuck. I'm sure my head will explode. DeadlyStarfish said: -sigh- What really pissed me off in this episode was not Kanba shooting Shouma or burning the diary....yeah that was really cruel of him but the thing that got me was how he seems to want to sacrifise everything for Himari but when his real sister was dying...wait when she did die his reactions were....well kind of emotionless for me and then he just turned his back to her not even looking back a single time.Yes, I get that he loves Himari but wasn't family also important?Yes, he did protect her in the last episode but this scene was...I don't know he didn't beg Sanetoshi to save her at all. In fact, they used her as a guinea pig for Sanetoshi to proove he can keep his part of the deal. Agreed. Regardless of everything, Masako is still family. The fact that he only gave a sort of, sad expression, over his sister's death, is sick. He was still only thinking of Himari and his feelings. Kanba pisses me off sometimes, I truly think the guy is good, but damn..It's kinda hard to like him right now... |
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| Great episode. I am really wondering how all the remaining questions can get answered in 24 minutes. |
| Great episode. This episode is making me expect a lot from Kanba. At first I almost freaked when I thought he really killed Shoma, but then it turned out to not really be a bullet inside the gun, so I assume because there was no blood or anything. Kanba said he "always wanted to do this" to Shoma, so I'm assuming that meant hug him rather than shoot him? I'm expecting a lot from Kanba in the last episode. I just hope the last ep doesn't seem too rushed or anything. |
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| That was very good episode. Even though in the end the plot is actually very simple and not unlike many other anime, the execution is excellent. |
| Wow a lot of things happened in this episode and there is only one more left :( Hopefully the spell to change destiny is still out there somewhere and either Ringo or the two hats of Momoka will do something. Or hopefully Shouma finally punches some sense into Kanba and they both stop Sanetoshi. Or maybe they all die in the end, who the hell knows. Hopefully it ends on a happy note or at least a bittersweet one. |
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spigot said: It has been explicitly mentioned in a past episode that Shouma has the Penguindrum. Yes, I remember that. But what I was trying to say was, in the beginning of the show, Ringo apparently had it... If it's not a solid object that someone can just take from another, then is it just a "feeling"? Or is the penguindrum "Fate"?....blehh, I'm probably missing a lot of things here, lol... |
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| I'm still rooting for Shoma and Ringo, but that scene with Himari was just so romantic and beautiful I can't help it. ;A; ♥ Oh, but I loved Shoma and Ringo's hugging scene too! As with Kanba and Shoma's. Also, poor Ringo was surrounded by flames just like in the opening. ;_; I'm glad she wasn't engulfed, though. ;A; This episode was amazing. Just. Wow. Although many of my questions have been answered, there's still a handful that were not. I hope the finale will be x1000000000 more awesome. |
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| hmm Kanba could be a good guy all along. |
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| always calm Sanetoshi screaming at the end "the world!" was fabulous |
Bleh, I did not have time to edit nor post around this episode. I shall say that IMO the following, does tell of something interesting. Himari suddenly joined by H2 and singing that shall kill Sanetoshi. When you think about it soulelle got it pretty much as love being the weapon itself against Sanetoshi. It's obvious the guy was some sort of lunatic not loved enough and wanted to get rid of the world. Perhaps that revolved around the city he lived at. Perhaps that also involved being disgusted at the waste that where he lives pollute all around him. Most of all he was part of a environmental group. One thing is for sure in the following spoiler Question remains how will these dolls that are white and clearly seen in the OP shall play around. I guess the notion of Miracle is inevitable at this point for sure. One can certainly say in the following spoiler Another thing to point out is Shouma as follows,  Notice how glorifying they put him out in such as unique art. Shouma totally shined this episode. In fact the art alluded not only to him but towards Kanba of their seriousness one being beautiful/serious while the other one scary/mean. |
| long rant is long... dammit why people in this show can't die in peace... even sanetoshi & momoka still 'live' it reminds me with Schrödinger's cat reference in previous episode the whole sanetoshi's speeches about the box also similar in a way kanba!!! first you shoot shouma (luckily still alive) & then you bomb ringo!! sanetoshi you bastard troll!!! finally a showdown between shouma & kanba... can't wait to see the finale of MPD the scene with shouma/ringo & shouma/himari are beautiful in their own way & shouma/kanba hug just give me strong yaoi vibe!l I will LOL if they ended with bromance route |
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| I think there's a really really big TROLL! Maybe Kanba just pretends to be the bad guy so that shoma would hate him in order to safe him somehow.. My guess is that they will change fate so that the three of them have never met /: |
soulelle said: 1. My trolling guess is that the burned diary didn't contain the spell. I believe the spell might be in a book Himari took from the library in episode 9, i.e. in the "Superfrog saves Tokyo". Considering Mario and Himari are both controlled by Momoka, Mario should be aware of the book existance. And it now makes sense for him to finally get into the scene and bring this book to Shouma. 2. Kamba and Shouma both riding the train of fate - so they're both pretty much dead now, I guess. My 2nd trolling guess is that all three of them will end up as Triple-H on heaven, i.e. turn into three moiraes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirae - the pic on the wiki even has them dressed on dresses of the same colour as Shouma, Himari, and Kamba's hairs. And the penguins story after the ED aludes to this heavily. Perhaps that's what really is the meaning behind the story: No.1, No.2, and No.3 are the three moiraes. And Himari, Shouma, and Kamba are their earth replicas. Or maybe it's just me seeking for Ringo x Shouma possibilities, haha... 3. Kamba killing Shouma... ah that was so much Cain and Abel like. Ikuhara's truly amazing at mixing all known myths, legends, and religions into a single story... 4. I wonder about the next episode... it'll be aired 9 minutes later than usual which made m think.. what if they gonna make a double-episode... I mean.. there're 25 stations! I want 25 episodes too...oh well.. I guess we'll see reaching the station 25 after the credits in episode 24.. with the world returning to normal. Number 1 sounds nice! But maybe Ringo got the spell on her mind already and just didn't noticed yet? She mentioned having memorized part of the diary before... 2 nd 3 I don't think so! If Kanba was already dead he couldn't have shot Shouma to death, look at Sanetoshi's trouble of putting the live ones to do the jobs xP And that penguim ball appeared too so it wasn't a regular gun. 4 I hope that two! Double epi... it would be an even more epic than it already is looking it will be! ^^ By the way, have I mentioned that I loved this epi, the best anime epi I saw this year and probably (if it keeps that way) the "Mawaru will indeed end best of the year above Madoka in my heart"? So now it's mentioned. xD |
| All in all, i only wonder what exactly do the "Penguin Companies" mean after all? Do they symbolize the 2 sides of Momoka after she stopped Sanetoshi 16 years ago? |
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