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Jun 3, 2011 8:58 AM

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The pacing is like, all over the place.

Ahhhh, what the hell.
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Jun 3, 2011 9:08 AM

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I'm assuming that Mashyu is Kimimaro's sister who was lost when his father became bankrupt because that information gatherer was talking about Kimimaro's asset and how she's related to Kimimaro's father..

This is just a hyphothesis of mine but Mashyu being Kimimaro's asset means Mashyu is somewhat part of his future right? .. then it could mean that Mashyu can be a part of the real world too if he can gain back some, if not all of the lost futures that the financial district took...

Oh well, guess we'll have to wait for the next episode..
Jun 3, 2011 9:32 AM

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If Mashyu is Kimimaro's lost sister , and the information dealer recognized her, how old was she if she was lost as his father's future? And if it's so, then those with parents who 'lost' their children in some way, Kimimaro's father lost in the FD and Mikuni's father didn't pay for the hospital fee of Mikuni's sister, usually gain the 'lost' siblings as their assets. Is there some special reason for that or am I imagining things?
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notzky said:
This is just a hyphothesis of mine but Mashyu being Kimimaro's asset means Mashyu is somewhat part of his future right? .. then it could mean that Mashyu can be a part of the real world too if he can gain back some, if not all of the lost futures that the financial district took...
^This... is what I thought when I saw how much alike Q and Mikuni's sister were. Now this whole thing with Mashyu just strengthened my conviction that it is correct. Maybe you can get the lost future back. But wouldn't that be messing up with the past as well?

Anyway, thought the first half of the episode was really bad. I was watching and thinking: "Ok, I was really liking this thus far but things are too crazy too suddenly." Then tings got an explanation and I ended up really loving this episode.

As crazy and unrealistic as things may be becoming, what's interesting about this anime it's not its plot, not the fights nor even the characters I may risk. It's the concept, the ideas and beliefs shown and the way they're portrayed. Mikuni is right, because without the present there can be no future. But Kimimaro is not wrong either: the future is what we strive for and we fight for a better future. Sometimes we do things that give us no pleasure, no sense of satisfaction, just because we believe they'll bring us exactly that. We can help but to see the present as a mean to achieve something else. If we have no present, we cannot have a future, but knowing our future will be miserable, would we have the courage to live the present? Seems like a dilemma right here...

Then you've got the "trust" issue. Trust is what makes money valuable, that's for sure. Money is nothing more than paper, you can easily tear it or burn it (like Kimimaro did). Even so, it holds unmatchable power in modern society. That's because people value it, because they're confident that if the have it, everything will be all right. Having money is, for most people, a reassurance for their futures. It's something they rely on and, as it's much less abstract than the concept "future", they're willing to trade it for the possibility of earning money. But money isn't everything and people who eventually lose their futures (like Ebara-sensei), end up regretting it. The money means nothing to them anymore. Kimimaro understood that. That's what separates him from everyone else in the Financial District as shown when he's burning the money and people are saying he's crazy or that he should just give it to them if he didn't want it and also when he's willing to pay a lot to get the teacher's future back.

About the other characters... I like Mikuni since he's doing what he believes that is correct and trying his best to save the country. However, I cannot help but to think of him as an hypocrite. He's not only doing that out of selflessness. He wants to get his sister back so even though he says he doesn't care about the future as long as the presents is livable, he's placing his trust upon it and he's hoping that, in the future, his sister will recover. Quite ironic, right? Masasaki is as wired as ever and I was quite surprised when he referred whatever rules the Financial District as "something above". I could guess he wasn't the one behind it but I'm truly hoping it isn't some abstract entity or no one at all (aka, the FD is just there). But he sure seemed to be having fun watching the destruction of the Southeast Asia Financial District. One last thing... The assets were turning into money. What'll happen to Mashyu? I'm worried now.
Jun 3, 2011 10:55 AM
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Eh, I'm a little confused about what's going on but I still think it's great.
Jun 3, 2011 12:29 PM

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What is going on with Hanabi? If she did so well in her student teaching why is she cutting up cards and being depressed?

What is C? The thing that Mikuni uses to carry out his plans?

I am excited to find out what happens to Mashyu/what she represents in the future.
Jun 3, 2011 2:40 PM

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Only 3 episodes left.. I hope they won't screw up.

Jun 3, 2011 3:08 PM
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It was once again a deeply complex thematic episode with thought-provoking (or evoking if you like to think about such stuff - like me) ideas and of course, great character development. The direction and pacing were way beyond the last episode though.

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Jun 3, 2011 3:16 PM

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wow, this is getting interesting, i was not expecting this. i absolutely cant wait for the next episode i mean, SERIOUSLY!
Jun 3, 2011 4:12 PM

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Koi-Miru said:
I really wonder WTF is that giant tentacled thing that destoryed part of the FD.....


The Kraken.

Epi was fabulous. A lot of info and development. The end is sweet, haha.
Jun 3, 2011 4:29 PM

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Oh. So that's what happens.

Also, exactly who was it that died?
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Jun 3, 2011 4:59 PM
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Pacing was really TOO FAST.

The change in the mood from episode 7 to 8 was totally not right. It's like I just skipped 3-4 episodes.

Other than that, the district just collapsed and there was no explanation or justification what-so-ever. The urgency of the Southeast Asian district was not really well portrayed either. Therefore I think it's very lacking in terms of using a complex concept (i.e. any "deep" meaning is useless if just thrown randomly out there).

Very disappointed.

As an action series, it's decent. But I had higher expectations (although it dropped after the first few episodes anyway)
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
Jun 3, 2011 5:47 PM

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argh. i want more. right now... and seriously only 3 eps to go? ((
meh. it sounds kinda lame, but... i wish this show had more than 11 eps.
Jun 3, 2011 7:14 PM

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Mashyu is somehow (blood) related to Kimimaro, it seems.
KimimaroxMashyu is now weird.
Jun 3, 2011 9:16 PM
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The pace is strange...

Yes! I thought the exact same thing. It just seemed to be bouncing around
Jun 3, 2011 10:24 PM
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You can only do so much in an 11 episode series.

Jun 3, 2011 10:41 PM

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Shit is about to get intense, lol
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Jun 3, 2011 11:22 PM

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Mashyu is somehow (blood) related to Kimimaro, it seems.
KimimaroxMashyu is now weird.


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Jun 4, 2011 12:25 AM

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Wow. Hell really brought its game on in the 20th century. Destroying humanity through the use of money! :D
Jun 4, 2011 12:33 AM

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This series is more thought-provoking than people think. It's a silent middle finger to capitalism.
Jun 4, 2011 12:53 AM
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I'm really proud of how the show has progressed. [C] has really come a long way since the days of mindless SCORCHED EARTH kiddy fighting. I was heavily considering dropping it back then and I'm glad that I had faith in the show.

Things are getting really interesting now. I loved the atmosphere of this episode and didn't actually feel like it was rushed at all. Can't wait for the final 3 episodes. My expectations are high. Conclude with strength, [C].
Jun 4, 2011 4:25 AM

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Yumekichi11 said:
Kimimaro x Mashu could not have been visually showed nicer with a Mashu pose next to a Kimimaro being shown in black with his sephiroth diagram as follows,

find it absolutely pure as it shows what both people are while Kimimaro as a human is not exactly the real form in the Financial district, the mirror/portrait shows the true appearance. Also according to the following spoiler
Mashu may in fact be Kimimaro's future daughter. So the assets really do represent what future of a person's wishes, however the authors do realize if they make it a Mashu x Kimimaro it's like him falling in love with his future daughter.

I really find it totally screwed that people disappear such as Kimimaro giving back the kid his money then poof with the mom forgetting about the kid in the spoiler
that was screwed as I am thinking the kid was a collateral of someone's future. I mean Kimimaro gives the kid back his money and suddenly kid is gone with a woman for looks to be like his mom totally forgets he was there. WTF seriously.
This. Plus, I don't really get the whole Hanabi part. she's kind of been skirted around, and I'm not sure where she ties in with the scheme of things.

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this was a good episode indeed! they have finally moved on with the storyline and into something more interesting.

hmmm. and i am more along the side of saying that mashyu might be kimimaro's sister, only because they gave a hint that mashyu was somehow involved with kimimaro's father.

Exactly. she's tied in with Kimimaru's father somehow. either way, i'm sensing blood relation. Then again, she could just be a projection, where the REAL blood relation died some time ago...or something. *sigh* just 11 episodes? Can they pull this off? I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
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Jun 4, 2011 6:03 AM

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so Mikuni's sister is really in deep coma and not totally dead yet

im anxious on how this anime will end up i hope it will not be an open ending one
Jun 4, 2011 9:39 AM

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Oh, such a depressing episode. But very good nevertheless, and thought provoking which is pretty rare nowadays. However, I can't help but agree with this opinion:

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Pacing was really TOO FAST.

The change in the mood from episode 7 to 8 was totally not right. It's like I just skipped 3-4 episodes.
Totally the same feeling. Things should've gotten to the boiling point in a much smoother, slower fashion. This is where I cursed the fact that C has only 11 eps to hell and back for the second time (the first was when Kimimaro vs Sennoza fight was skipped).

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I don't feel that Mikuni and Kimimaro would become enemies. They're on the same side, it's just that Kimimaro doesn't see what Mikuni sees.
Well, that's what I think
I'm afraid their collision is inevitable, as much as I don't want it to happen too... Besides the OP that is literally centered around their collision, there were a couple of gruesome shots in one of the PV for the show (here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpmXBR4Aqhg&feature=player_embedded)

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I still don't see Mikuni as a bad guy. he wants to save the present while Kimimaro the future.
This. The dilemma is what they need to save and what - to sacrifice. And what we have here now is that BOTH points of view (Mikuni's and Kimimaro's/Sennoza's) are absolutely valid.

On one hand, there's no future to even begin to speak about if you're "deleted" from the real world in the present, if you were never born to begin with! That makes Mikuni's viewpoint valid.

On the other hand, if you have only future with no possibilities for further growth, personal development left, there's little point in living at all. The future with no hopes and dreams leads to the meaningless miserable present you want to escape (by means of commiting suicide as it was hinted). That's what the episode showed - Hanabi throwing kids' letters into the trashbin, people just dumbly sitting on the streets depressed, and even Mikuni's own secretary dropping the case with money. All this makes Sennoza's viewpoint valid.

Now, in this episode the show has finished putting last touches on its main question, and it turned out a really interesting one, I must add. But what I really fear at this point is that the show will prove only one of these two points of view (Sennoza's/Kimimaro's, obviously) in the end, which will result in the show's epic failure as the whole. To me, at least. Because of what I said above, because of the two perfectly sound viewpoints. Proving only one of them equals proving nothing, like seeing only half of the bigger picture and totally ignoring the other half, just cause you want to. So what technically needs to be done is finding some compromise, some sort of fusion of the two, some aggregative 'golden mean'. Only that would seem 'right'. And that's what I hope Kimimaro will do in the end (I do hope he listened to all these people's minds for the whole 6 tps not for nothing, so he won't choose one of them, but unites all of them). I do not, however, have the slightest idea how he's gonna do it and what that 'combined' point of view might be.


On another note, WTF with those tentacles reaching out from above to grab that huge coin-like monitor?! Just WHAT is that?! Am I the only one who thinks it's the same thing that's drawn on the black Darkness cards?... Still, it doesn't explain the heck was that. I thought about it for the whole 5 minutes and my best guess will be it's human greed taking form. Or we have a case of alien invasion. Or it was...
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Cthulhu.
and in person to boot, huh)


And on yet another note, wasn't surprised about Mashu's possible daughter/sister thing. That was a very popular opinion among jap fandom, after all.
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Jun 4, 2011 5:03 PM

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Good episode, but the issue that about this episode....

RANDOM PACING!!!! Made me feel like I missed episodes even though I didn't. (Well, what do you expect, 8th episode out of 11 really...)

Otherwise, not surprised about Kimimaro's future and Mashyu (or however it's really spelled). The district is about to be destroyed somehow and what will happen??


Jun 4, 2011 5:46 PM

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Since there's a conection between Mashu and his dad, she might be his father's lost future, as well as Kimimaro's. More likely his sister.
Jun 4, 2011 9:14 PM

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That was f*cked up. Really, really f*cked up. And everything seems to be moving along quickly, too. Though with only 3 episodes I suppose it has to. Man, I really hate these 11 ep series. There just never seems to be enough.

Jun 5, 2011 2:59 AM

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Giant floating coin got tentacle raped.

Looks like the show is gonna get pretty heavy from here on out.

5/5
Jun 5, 2011 7:17 PM

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WOW. Its really intense and like how people are saying, real fast pace. I hvant even got my head around how the whole game and duels go. =_='' hehe
I understand how thier interpreters are thier future. Seems like that Mashyu is his future daughter. And Mikuni's interpreter looks like his little sister. hmmm. Shes still alive though..
CANT believe that this is going to end in just another 3 episodes! Too fast! i bet its all gonna end like a cliff hanger.
o yea. And all the Misakaki versions are creepy.
Jun 6, 2011 1:02 AM
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Maybe Mashyu is not blood related to Kimimaro. Perhaps when he said "Mashyu" he was referring to the woman not the child. (possibly Mashyu is his wife?) Sounds like a stretch but plausible.

Anyway it seems like the Southeast Asian Financial District went down because of Mikuni's henchmen defeated the top 3 in the guild. Just a guess.

What bothers me is that no matter who fights whom, you'll always see the losses immediately. People disappearing, unfortunate events happening, etc. However the only gain you actually see is the money in your account (and maybe not even physically). With every fight more and more people lose something. Those losses are translated into someone else's gain via money. So in the end, if these fights keep occurring, Japan will only have (midas) Money as their future, but nothing left in existence. It's almost as if Mikuni plans to recreate the world somehow.
Jun 6, 2011 2:46 AM

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Great ep

Who is Mashu to kimimaro
hope she is not her future daughter !!
Jun 6, 2011 10:18 AM

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The Financial District is a scary thing huh,people disappearing,losing hope and the CRAZY part is that if the district is gone the reality is also affected, now that is a mess up shit !!
Jun 6, 2011 11:42 AM

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destruction of the future in present

in this episode, you will die horribly... *laughs just as shion*
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I see many saying the district collapsed but i go the impression that the district we saw wasn't the Japanese district. Maybe is that of Singapore that was mention before.

Masakaki also seem to had different hair color so maybe is not the Masakaki we know at all.

This district really is crazy. Making whole countries disappear? Who is the head of Midas bank? God or some super advanced Aliens? Kyuubey is that you? Did you find a new game after playing with little girls?
Seriously crazy staff and from the way things are going the whole planet will end up non existed.
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Anybody else find the informant and the guy with the yellow shirt annoying? His voice..ugh.

Anyway, despite the lively colored animation this is actually a dark, emotional anime. So did the sensei die in the end?
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Jun 6, 2011 9:02 PM

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I think Mashyu is Kimi's lost sister. As Quasar said: The informant said he'd seen her before, meaning she has either existed before or she was somebody elses asset. Perhaps she was his father's asset, representing his fathers future? Which would make you wonder why she's Kimi's asset now. Or maybe she has no relation to him at all!
I will take into consideration what you said because Kimimaro's future daughter this can all be since he may have been seeing the far future but the view also can be seen as him being there and when shit happened to his father then that sister disappeared. Of course he was never told what happened to her, just perhaps whisked away to some place so that he can grow up calmly. We shall if your theory is right, I for one can't wait to find out the truth about all this.
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For anyone who says this show doesn't make any sense my initial explanation would make sense (unless you can correct me) One way or another the district started a long time ago, and as it grew larger by destroying cities and claiming their futures as midas money, the district was able to slowly encompass earth. Of course I can't see why anyone would WANT to do that, other than greed for power, or perhaps the destruction of humanity? Maybe the district is actually aliens...using our complex modern concept of economy to destroy us?
Wrong, it's all hell. I pointed out back a few episodes the "666" on the taxi but yes hell wants to destroy us with money. IRL it always did so in a way, look at it this way, lose your job = to no money = to either welfare and not enough to survive or may be no welfare and die out with no $ or very little as a bum on the streets therefore why you see many of them by the end of the episode.
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Okay, it is kind of confusing, especially this huge plot lap, but one thing is clear from the beginning. Mashu is not Kimimaro's daughter. She's not his future. She is embodiment of his future. Probably future with daughter named Mashu but nothing more. It's kind of like the difference between water nymph and water... So please, stop with those weird innuendos...
She could be, how else do you explain the little kid in that segment with the woman. Even is she is not, she is part of something of the family.

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Jun 9, 2011 12:13 AM
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It could be because of his encounter with Mashyu that gives him the idea of naming his child Mashyu. Sometimes we name kids after someone we admire or someone who has had an influence in our lives and name them in honor of this admirable person.

I agree with Antanaru that his asset, Mashyu is the embodiment of Kimimaro's future, but not his daughter directly.

If his future is still intact by the time he has a child then perhaps he names her Mashyu as a reminder of his time at the FD and how he had protected Mashyu, not just because she's his asset but because he saw her similar to a living being. Perhaps it reminds him that his assets equate as living people and the relationships he has built with them, not just money.
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Events moved really quick in this episode, but seeing that they only have a few episodes left.. it's understandable.

But yeah, I thought it was a fantastic episode. The whole baby Mashu/future daughter of Yoga scene was splendid.
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Also, just as planned.
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Jun 11, 2011 9:18 PM

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MASHU'S HIS DAUGHTER WTF O_O
People disappearing is really kind of freaky as the Financial District breaks down, especially at the end WTF? Is it like a Masakaki or whoever for a different district?
Interesting talk about money and future being confidence, but it does kind of make sense in a way. Seemed a bit rushed to me though, but there aren't that many episodes left I guess ...
Wonder what the Guild's plan is ... inject more money? That won't seem to work though ... crazy stuff gaiz O_O
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"ED sequence for noitamina 26th episode.. has no name, but it called "C" " ?
What is that about?
Jun 15, 2011 4:43 PM

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This time I won't complain about how are the episodes not having direct links between each other. I find this episode much depressing one =\ Finally, this anime is going somewhere.

Hanabi seems to be feeling how the world is going down and she seems to be getting more and more depressed.
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...nice sad drama that worked a lot on me because I appreciate Hanabi as a female character in this show.
Same here, characters like her appear too rarely in most of the animes. I feel sad about her =\
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Eh, I don't like interpreting this show overly metaphorically. That's what creeped me out the most at the beginning. Had all sorts of unfortunate implications.

Therefor I like to side with the idea that "Mashu" is really real, and not just some physical manifestation of his "future". Makes things a little less dirty and nasty in terms of what this show implicitly would imply about gender, ethnicity, and poverty in general.

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So looks like Msyu is probably Kimimaro's daughter or something. Yay no more romance!

Annnnnnnnd FINALLY, Mikuni has made his move. Took him enough time to reveal his true colours.
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Yumekichi11 said:
Antanaru said:
Okay, it is kind of confusing, especially this huge plot lap, but one thing is clear from the beginning. Mashu is not Kimimaro's daughter. She's not his future. She is embodiment of his future. Probably future with daughter named Mashu but nothing more. It's kind of like the difference between water nymph and water... So please, stop with those weird innuendos...
She could be, how else do you explain the little kid in that segment with the woman. Even is she is not, she is part of something of the family.

its possible that he just named her after mashu becuz he really liked mashu but than she left or disappeared or somthing.


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This show is getting ridiculously out of hand, I'm sick of seeing money, tbh.. But maybe that's my fault because I watched 8 episodes in one day. X.x Either way, I'll be dropping this anime now.
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The destruction begins...Kimimaro and Mikuni are destined to fight each other all along..

And Msyu is Kimimaro's future daughter? Well, that's to be expected from Msyu being Kimimaro's future.
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Getting intense.
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It's picked back up!
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