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Feb 7, 2011 8:51 AM

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Ahh, back from the 4 day chinese new year break.

First of all, I would have to admit that I do think that this episode does not answer any of our questions, nor does it post more questions. Mabye it is my limited perception, but I could not find anything of interest here.

Even so, I found some of your comments quite interesting. EMChamp's comment on Homura's spatial reconstruction works on the fact that Homura could manipulate space and molecules. Through his main assumption is that the background pictures have a meaning attached to it, his argument still stands in terms of homura's ability to teleport.

Teleportation, on a quantum mechanics scale, could be seen as a simultaneous change of molecules at two locations. This is definitely spatial manipulation, without going into the details of quantum mechanics.

Talking about that, I still do not grasp the physical context of magic here. In nanoha, it is the stored energy contained in your linker core that translate into material entity.
I could see that the puella magi get their energy from the soul gem, but how is it charged, how emotions could be counted as energy, that i could not understand.

The second thing that I would like to point out is that Akemi-san painted the ideal puella magi to be cold and heartless, but mani own viewpoint is that puella magis are the symbols of hope. Kindness leads to naivety, courage leads to foolhardiness sums up the difference in viewpoints.

All right, the rest of my thoughts are just useless speculation, so this is all.

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Yup, it is epic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu2ckWqKT8M

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potplant said:
The difference between Kyubey and the usual fluffy mahou shoujo mascot is, he only talks when either trying to convince the girls to a contract, or guiding towards a battle. He's slient when it comes to the girl's feelings and never provide any comfort/empathy. Since we dont' know Kyubey's objectives, can't say for certain he's evil. He simply manipulates to push a particular outcome, much like how the new girl is using her powers as a means to an end (I'm guessing her wish was an endless supply of snacks? lol queue Tim Tam ad). I wouldn't classify her as evil, she just uses the power as she see fits. Kyubey certainly is not choosing girls by their 'personality' but rather latent power, so it has to do with the soul gems and the seeds and what a collection of these may do.


Seems like Urobuchi Gen hints otherwise
http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Translated_Official_Documents#Kyubey_cuteness


In reply to Yumekichi and the appropriate users,

Butch Gen "trolled" us and this comment is made during episode 1 and 2. Yup, I am making an ad hominen attack that could be dismissed as red herring, but I would like to be skeptical towards what he said.
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So are people drawing up ridiculous claims because this is SHAFT and/or Urobuchi? Cause some of the things said just seem completely absurd. Here I thought the whole 'spacial reconstruction' theory was lol enough, now people *cough*slayer545*cough* are passing off Kyuubey's super magical kira kira initiation as some sort of sexual act? What the fuck? This isn't some ecchi anime kthx. That scene was there to show how Kyubey draws out the power/inner wishes/desires from the girl's heart, not her fucking tits. I'm pretty sure everyone knows where the physical and metaphorical location of the HEART is, yes? That's right, it's in the chest. For the love of all that's sane and normal, don't go throwing out some retarded absurd farfetched claims like some bullshit sexual act. Lolatpeopletryingtoactalldeepandsophisticatedbybyoveranalyzing
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Wasabi said:
So are people drawing up ridiculous claims because this is SHAFT and/or Urobuchi? Cause some of the things said just seem completely absurd. Here I thought the whole 'spacial reconstruction' theory was lol enough, now people *cough*slayer545*cough* are passing off Kyuubey's super magical kira kira initiation as some sort of sexual act? What the fuck? This isn't some ecchi anime kthx. That scene was there to show how Kyubey draws out the power/inner wishes/desires from the girl's heart, not her fucking tits. I'm pretty sure everyone knows where the physical and metaphorical location of the HEART is, yes? That's right, it's in the chest. For the love of all that's sane and normal, don't go throwing out some retarded absurd farfetched claims like some bullshit sexual act. Lolatpeopletryingtoactalldeepandsophisticatedbybyoveranalyzing
It's not about that but it's more it could mean that in a very hidden manner. Just like it could mean what you said but last I heard a heart is not round nor there is 2 of them and I could also argue this representation does exist artistically IRL so the meaning of it can clearly be that. I don't think it has to do with the heart.

Ecchi? No but you clearly missed in the OP there is nudity. Put it this way the tits are what is round not the heart.

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Feb 7, 2011 12:11 PM

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Yeah I dislike the new girl. Gotta admit she has a kickass weapon/outfit though.
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So Kyubei is manipulating everyone to make them become magical girl or his goal is to manipulate everyone so Madoka becomes a magical girl ?
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Yumekichi11 said:
It's not about that but it's more it could mean that in a very hidden manner. Just like it could mean what you said but last I heard a heart is not round nor there is 2 of them and I could also argue this representation does exist artistically IRL so the meaning of it can clearly be that. I don't think it has to do with the heart.

Ecchi? No but you clearly missed in the OP there is nudity. Put it this way the tits are what is round not the heart.

.... /me facepalm

Are you serious? So you're basically saying that underneath all this so called deep and thought provoking and Faust-like references, the show is about nothing more than a perverted little pedobeast fondling some middle school girl's chest? Really? REALLY? What would be the point of such lucrative secret meaning?

Have you never heard of a ripple? Y'know, like those circular waves in water? That was clearly the effect SHAFT was going for. Kyubey has two ear/hand things. Two ripples of delving into Sakuya's soul. Not a pair of tits. Not a pair of nipples.

And a brief shot of nude girls in the OP does not mean it's an ecchi anime.
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Wasabi said:

.... /me facepalm


Way to be a jerk. Really, if you disagree with someone else, that's ok, but you're no one to come here mock other people's' opinions. You think you're the ultimate word on Madoka or something?
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ZaggyPlushie said:
So Kyubei is manipulating everyone to make them become magical girl or his goal is to manipulate everyone so Madoka becomes a magical girl ?


about 100% thinks Kyubei wants Madoka to be a Mahou shoujo but

about 85% thinks Kybei is evil
10%-14% hes neutral
and 1% -5% hes good
Feb 7, 2011 4:47 PM

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Wasabi said:
.... /me facepalm
Are you serious? So you're basically saying that underneath all this so called deep and thought provoking and Faust-like references, the show is about nothing more than a perverted little pedobeast fondling some middle school girl's chest? Really? REALLY? What would be the point of such lucrative secret meaning?

You are assuming way too much. I did not say that, I said it's a meaning among others that can mean all this. It's not really but it's possibility. Faust was the #2 most complicated after Nietzsche so I would start paying attention Wasabi what others have to share with their mind but you being a Ram that goes way too fast on me. The point of such a lucrative meaning is simple and has been stated. Kyuubei being a possible despicable evil steals the innocence of Sayaka. The representation is exactly that and proves it. The same shit happens in hentai but it's just more hardcore and in your face. Not this.
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Have you never heard of a ripple? Y'know, like those circular waves in water? That was clearly the effect SHAFT was going for. Kyubey has two ear/hand things. Two ripples of delving into Sakuya's soul. Not a pair of tits. Not a pair of nipples.
I said the representation makes it looks like that. What the studio was aiming for is confusion and whether people like you think it's like that or people like me that think there is a darker more gruesome meaning remains to see of how Kyuubei evolves, that of evil or good. I doubt it's good. Whatever the case the multitude thinking is obviously to see of how much confusion SHAFT is creating and it looks like it's working. It's not about tits or nipples, it's about what it makes you think and that's what I though and I know it can be due to my education.
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And a brief shot of nude girls in the OP does not mean it's an ecchi anime.
Any nudity is fan service whether it's sexually aimed or not. The only exception to it is artistic depiction like in Ef but let's leave what has nothing to do with this series except if there is certain differences in the BD. That I will take a look at.
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Feb 7, 2011 6:40 PM

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Iisan-kun said:
A Mahou Shoujo anime going the whole time without the main character becoming a Mahou Shoujo. Now what would be hilarious.


HAHAH YES. We shall see....

I was surprised at how much Sayaka held her own...
Feb 7, 2011 7:10 PM

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I may be late on this, but
Feb 7, 2011 8:42 PM

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WHEN IS MAMI COMING BACK? FFS.
Feb 7, 2011 9:49 PM
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When supporting characters go...they don't.

Besides, Mami's world-view of MHSJ is now at odds with what Madoka/Sayaka are beginning to see.
Feb 7, 2011 10:23 PM

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When supporting characters go...they don't.

Besides, Mami's world-view of MHSJ is now at odds with what Madoka/Sayaka are beginning to see.


Why would they advertise a supporting character?
Mami was on the PVs and is in the picture for the show.. :/
Feb 7, 2011 10:36 PM

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Wasabi said:
So are people drawing up ridiculous claims because this is SHAFT and/or Urobuchi? Cause some of the things said just seem completely absurd. Here I thought the whole 'spacial reconstruction' theory was lol enough, now people *cough*slayer545*cough* are passing off Kyuubey's super magical kira kira initiation as some sort of sexual act? What the fuck? This isn't some ecchi anime kthx. That scene was there to show how Kyubey draws out the power/inner wishes/desires from the girl's heart, not her fucking tits. I'm pretty sure everyone knows where the physical and metaphorical location of the HEART is, yes? That's right, it's in the chest. For the love of all that's sane and normal, don't go throwing out some retarded absurd farfetched claims like some bullshit sexual act. Lolatpeopletryingtoactalldeepandsophisticatedbybyoveranalyzing


In replay to Wasabi,

Through I could understand your claims, I hope you can understand that some people at 4chan and forums are trolling, through i do not say that you could dismiss them just because they are trolling.
Secondly, all animes can be analysed, even porn shows in which the viewer watch it for pleasure. Just as some people argue that human actions or intention are just either for their sex drive or their ego, this could be replicated in the porn show where we could see how specific screen shot arouses the viewer,amongst other examples.

Speculations made by other people could be wrong too, but that does not mean that these possibilities could be dismissed. In fact, the right way to go about such things is to view it with multiple perceptive. For my case, I dismissed speculations because I do not believe in predicting the future.The concept derived from Entropy, the disorder of the universe, that is.

Art is a very complex subject, with subjective views more subjective than that of science itself.

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daBoss said:
potplant said:
When supporting characters go...they don't.

Besides, Mami's world-view of MHSJ is now at odds with what Madoka/Sayaka are beginning to see.


Why would they advertise a supporting character?
Mami was on the PVs and is in the picture for the show.. :/

Red herring?
Feb 7, 2011 11:06 PM

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The live full version of Magia is out. (:


Really!?!?! Where can I find it and download it from!?!?! Its not out on Nipponsei yet...
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Wasabi said:
So are people drawing up ridiculous claims because this is SHAFT and/or Urobuchi? Cause some of the things said just seem completely absurd. Here I thought the whole 'spacial reconstruction' theory was lol enough, now people *cough*slayer545*cough* are passing off Kyuubey's super magical kira kira initiation as some sort of sexual act? What the fuck? This isn't some ecchi anime kthx. That scene was there to show how Kyubey draws out the power/inner wishes/desires from the girl's heart, not her fucking tits. I'm pretty sure everyone knows where the physical and metaphorical location of the HEART is, yes? That's right, it's in the chest. For the love of all that's sane and normal, don't go throwing out some retarded absurd farfetched claims like some bullshit sexual act. Lolatpeopletryingtoactalldeepandsophisticatedbybyoveranalyzing


Thanks you, but I think that the spacial reconstruction theory is more retarded than people saying Kyubei is a pervert.
Seriously how hard is that to understand that Homura's power is wind based as we've ALREADY SEEN IT. Spacial reconstruction based on a pipe changing place in the background? This is Shaft, I suggest people to go watch some of their other show.

Also some people don't understand that if Homura had time and/or space power then it would make her whole character stupid and pointless.
She basically live to make sure that other girl do not sign a contract to become a magical girl and it is something she could easely avoid with this kind of power. Now if she can use her power to stop a fight with people she deem doomed she would have used it in first place to make sure Sayaka didn't become a mahou shoujo.

People call limitation of her power but it is baseless statement, making a limitation that would allow her to use this kind of power in the said situation without allowing her to make use of it outside of battle would either feel streeched, wouldn't be credible and or would be a powerfull deus ex machina.

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WHEN IS MAMI COMING BACK? FFS.

Never.
Kyubei stated that even tough he can do miracle, he can't bring back someone to life. You see he act more as a rabbit's foot than an actual godly being. As long as there is a chance that something happen, no matter how small it is then he can trigger it but he can't do something that is impossible.

And before people go saying that magic is impossible to begin with then don't bother. In madoka's world magic is something that exist, most probably with it's own law unknown to normal physic but something that definitively exist in the whole that is this world. That meant that the chance of a magical phenomenon, limited to it's own law, happening do exist in this world and kyuubei trigger it but he still can't do anything about something that is impossible.

Also I beleive that Mami's death serve as an exemple to strenghten Madoka's character, bringing her back to life would be stupid.

Madoka will most probably become a mahou shoujo at the end of the show, maybe this will be irrevelant in the story and the whole will consist on building her character but she'll definitively become one.

the nature of the power of a mahou shoujo is linked to the wish they make upon their contract. This lead me to beleive that Madoka is said to have the strongest potential because she has the strongest ambition.
She could wish for many thing but she is humble enough for not wanting anything and deal with what she has at hand. She even go witch hunting without any power to protect herself.
She's not the kind of people to 'waste' her wish for someone which can be considered a weakness, kindness being something bad for a mahou shoujo. She's not the kind of people to ask for power or fame, basically she knows no greed.
She will be the strongest because her wish is humble and noble, a sign of strengh courage and devotion.

That would also explain why Kyubei talk about 'potential' rather than magic capacity. If the nature of the wish determine the mahou shoujo then it is not something written in stone as she hasn't made her wish yet. She only is inclined to make the wish that will grant her the strongest power and that is her potential.
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I think Mami was like their introduction into the Mahou Shoujo world. She showed them witches, soul gems, grief seeds and taught them the basics of being a mahou shoujo. She educated them on how to fight and she fought to protect innocent citizens. To me thats a great mentor figure and her death was shocking but I think it had to happen. It made Madoka realize being a mahou shoujo isn't all rainbows and lollipops!!! Its an incredibly lonely and hard job where your life is on the line 24/7.

Mamis mistake was being over confident I think. IF i were in her position I would of always been wary and not get big headed or else you'll lose your head. These fight scenes look alot more physically taxing them in other mahou shoujos where they just say some magic words and the job is done~ Its like Mahou shoujo lyrical nanoha. Nanoha didn't know any magic as she used her magic more and more she got better and better. She struggled and she was defeated. But she persevered and got to bet one of the best.
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I think Mami was like their introduction into the Mahou Shoujo world. She showed them witches, soul gems, grief seeds and taught them the basics of being a mahou shoujo. She educated them on how to fight and she fought to protect innocent citizens. To me thats a great mentor figure and her death was shocking but I think it had to happen. It made Madoka realize being a mahou shoujo isn't all rainbows and lollipops!!! Its an incredibly lonely and hard job where your life is on the line 25/7.

Mamis mistake was being over confident I think. IF i were in her position I would of always been wary and not get big headed or else you'll lose your head. These fight scenes look alot more physically taxing them in other mahou shoujos where they just say some magic words and the job is done~ Its like Mahou shoujo lyrical nanoha. Nanoha didn't know any magic as she used her magic more and more she got better and better.


Of course, she charged head first with a smile on her face.
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this series hasn't ceased to amaze me, i dislike cliffhangers :'(
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Ginga-Bishoujo said:

the nature of the power of a mahou shoujo is linked to the wish they make upon their contract. This lead me to beleive that Madoka is said to have the strongest potential because she has the strongest ambition.
She could wish for many thing but she is humble enough for not wanting anything and deal with what she has at hand. She even go witch hunting without any power to protect herself.
She's not the kind of people to 'waste' her wish for someone which can be considered a weakness, kindness being something bad for a mahou shoujo. She's not the kind of people to ask for power or fame, basically she knows no greed.
She will be the strongest because her wish is humble and noble, a sign of strengh courage and devotion.

That would also explain why Kyubei talk about 'potential' rather than magic capacity. If the nature of the wish determine the mahou shoujo then it is not something written in stone as she hasn't made her wish yet. She only is inclined to make the wish that will grant her the strongest power and that is her potential.


Since Kyuubey's been actively pushing for a contract with Madoka on every opportunity, even go as far as create situation that requires a mahou shoujo as a convenient solution, I don't think the content of the wish matters. Madoka simply has lots of latent potential, which both Kyuubey and Homura see, why? Don't know.
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Since Kyuubey's been actively pushing for a contract with Madoka on every opportunity, even go as far as create situation that requires a mahou shoujo as a convenient solution, I don't think the content of the wish matters. Madoka simply has lots of latent potential, which both Kyuubey and Homura see, why? Don't know.
Kyubei is not supposed to be able to influence a girl to become a mahou shoujo in any way.
Some people say that Kyubei is the devil but this isn't right and is based on misconception.
Kyubei said himself that he can't suggest anything to Madoka because it would influence her choice and that he has no right to do so.
He never created a situation that require Sayaka or Madoka to become a mahou shoujo.

Mami died, the city needed a new mahou shoujo and he then offered Sayaka or Madoka to become one, they both refused. The city couldn't be left alone, Kyubei then called a mahou shoujo he knew (Or she could has come by herself for all we know) and just before she arrived Sayaka contracted with Kyubei.
Kyubei cannot stop a mahou shoujo's action, he couldn't say to the new girl ''Don't attack her and go home'', the girl is the one to blame for attacking Sayaka and this is a situation that was bring forth by Sayaka's and Madoka's hesitation to become a mahou shoujo in the first place.

I mean, i'm all for theory but most of the people don't get how thing happened and base their theory on misconception.
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"Thanks you, but I think that the spacial reconstruction theory is more retarded than people saying Kyubei is a pervert.
Seriously how hard is that to understand that Homura's power is wind based as we've ALREADY SEEN IT. Spacial reconstruction based on a pipe changing place in the background? This is Shaft, I suggest people to go watch some of their other show."

I dont see how Homura's power is also related to the wind, through i could see her transportation or fast speed as seen in episode 1 and episode 3. And I stand by my argument that teleportation is just microscopic spatial reconstruction of the molecules at a 2 particular points in space and time, just like how information is created and destroyed in quantum computing. Does not mean that I think Homura has spatial reconstruction ability. In fact, Homura is still mysterious at this point of time, both in her actions and her words.

"And before people go saying that magic is impossible to begin with then don't bother. In madoka's world magic is something that exist, most probably with it's own law unknown to normal physic but something that definitively exist in the whole that is this world. That meant that the chance of a magical phenomenon, limited to it's own law, happening do exist in this world and kyuubei trigger it but he still can't do anything about something that is impossible."

Just a comment: The concept of magic is relative. Magic is only used by people who does not know the concept behind a phenomenon.

The rest of your comments are already being addressed and heard in /a/, so i would not go over into that.

And to mention about concept of analysis and philosophy, I do believe that this concept is being misused, as demonstrated in this forum. Analysis means the rational outlook of the situation in order to gain coherent information from it. It is different from speculation. And philosophy is a noble course, aimed to ask the great questions of the universe.

So lets cut the words, particularly the concepts of deep, analyzing and philosophy in this aspect, because really, it is just plain old speculation, and it is vaild, from what i can see, provided that people does not label it as absolute truth. In fact, truth truth...(to infinity) could not be conceptualized.

Deconstruction is another branch of philosophy (Derrida) that gets misunderstood as a subject. But as long as this word gets understood by most people as another different concept, I guess that compromise is fine itself.
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Great ep, I'm getting a little sick of Madoka's angst, but still great!

Urahara Out!!
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Ginga-Bishoujo said:
Kyubei is not supposed to be able to influence a girl to become a mahou shoujo in any way.
Some people say that Kyubei is the devil but this isn't right and is based on misconception.
Kyubei said himself that he can't suggest anything to Madoka because it would influence her choice and that he has no right to do so.
He never created a situation that require Sayaka or Madoka to become a mahou shoujo.

Mami died, the city needed a new mahou shoujo and he then offered Sayaka or Madoka to become one, they both refused. The city couldn't be left alone, Kyubei then called a mahou shoujo he knew (Or she could has come by herself for all we know) and just before she arrived Sayaka contracted with Kyubei.
Kyubei cannot stop a mahou shoujo's action, he couldn't say to the new girl ''Don't attack her and go home'', the girl is the one to blame for attacking Sayaka and this is a situation that was bring forth by Sayaka's and Madoka's hesitation to become a mahou shoujo in the first place.

I mean, i'm all for theory but most of the people don't get how thing happened and base their theory on misconception.


I have to agree and disagree.

Kyubei was not to blame for Sayaka getting attacked by Fang chick, but he was openly trying to push Madoka into being a Mahou Shoujo. Although I don't remember his/her wording exactly, it was something along the lines of

"If you become a Mahou Shoujo right now then you could stop this. If you don't, well, your friend is either going to be seriously injured or killed. Of course you won't be directly responsible, you know it will still be your fault because you had the chance to stop it and you didn't."

It's obvious in that scene that he was trying to force Madoka into a corner. I wouldn't be surprised if Kyubei planted the seed that spawned the witch that killed Mami. How he was acting afterwards was like he was trying to guilt Madoka into a wish.

Just like how he was going to look for a 'new' Mahou Shoujo and yet when Sayaka was at her weakest, he just happens to show up. It's all way too convenient for the little guy.

He may not be 'supposed to influence them', but you can tell he subtly is. Sneaky little booger.

Again, it's all theory, but I can definitely see how it's all falling into place there. Just like the subtle imagery during the contact forming with Sayaka, how at certain angles he looked like a 9 tailed fox, a traditionally tricky and cursed creature in Japanese legend.
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Him playing the violin again was pretty beautiful.

Fighting between mahou shoujos is pretty epic.
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Ginga-Bishoujo said:
Kyubei is not supposed to be able to influence a girl to become a mahou shoujo in any way.
Some people say that Kyubei is the devil but this isn't right and is based on misconception.
Kyubei said himself that he can't suggest anything to Madoka because it would influence her choice and that he has no right to do so.

If QB was really neutral, he would give Sayaka the same amount of information he gave Kyouko. Yet he informs Kyouko about Sayaka and Homura, and doesnt utter a word to Sayaka about another MS planning to attack her.

But in the end he might not be the devil.
Maybe Madoka is needed to safe the world, and he simply uses every means possible to make her sign a contract, including putting her friends in mortal danger.
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"Thanks you, but I think that the spacial reconstruction theory is more retarded than people saying Kyubei is a pervert.
Seriously how hard is that to understand that Homura's power is wind based as we've ALREADY SEEN IT. Spacial reconstruction based on a pipe changing place in the background? This is Shaft, I suggest people to go watch some of their other show."

I dont see how Homura's power is also related to the wind, through i could see her transportation or fast speed as seen in episode 1 and episode 3. And I stand by my argument that teleportation is just microscopic spatial reconstruction of the molecules at a 2 particular points in space and time, just like how information is created and destroyed in quantum computing. Does not mean that I think Homura has spatial reconstruction ability. In fact, Homura is still mysterious at this point of time, both in her actions and her words.

"And before people go saying that magic is impossible to begin with then don't bother. In madoka's world magic is something that exist, most probably with it's own law unknown to normal physic but something that definitively exist in the whole that is this world. That meant that the chance of a magical phenomenon, limited to it's own law, happening do exist in this world and kyuubei trigger it but he still can't do anything about something that is impossible."

Just a comment: The concept of magic is relative. Magic is only used by people who does not know the concept behind a phenomenon.

The rest of your comments are already being addressed and heard in /a/, so i would not go over into that.

And to mention about concept of analysis and philosophy, I do believe that this concept is being misused, as demonstrated in this forum. Analysis means the rational outlook of the situation in order to gain coherent information from it. It is different from speculation. And philosophy is a noble course, aimed to ask the great questions of the universe.

So lets cut the words, particularly the concepts of deep, analyzing and philosophy in this aspect, because really, it is just plain old speculation, and it is vaild, from what i can see, provided that people does not label it as absolute truth. In fact, truth truth...(to infinity) could not be conceptualized.

Deconstruction is another branch of philosophy (Derrida) that gets misunderstood as a subject. But as long as this word gets understood by most people as another different concept, I guess that compromise is fine itself.


Seriously I don't want a critic of my oppinion if you aren't really going to take a position. This is not bad, it is just really annoying.
Homura's power are related to wind because in ep 1 when Homura was chasing Sayaka and Madoka, Sayaka used a gas tank to divert her and Homura used wind to nullify the gas.
Also a teleport user cannot be hit that easely and wouldn't have been binded by Mami's magic, now if she is only using speed then everything else make sense because the monster that hitted her was faster than her and when you are binded by something you can't get away with only speed.
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Kyubei is a shifty one.
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~
Feb 8, 2011 10:54 PM

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this show owns.
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Miki's got some moves!
Blergh.
Feb 9, 2011 7:46 AM
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I have a sneaky suspicion I know where the witches come from do you remember when Kyubei looked gleeful over the idea of Madoka wishing for power, perhaps witches are magical girls who wished for power. I know it makes very little sense but it would be the nastiest thing they could do.
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Kyubey was definitely trying to exploit the situation and trying to manipulate Madoka into making a wish.

The fear and grief that Madoka has felt so far does lead one to suspect Kybey's motives. Almost reminds me of Star Wars about anger, fear, aggression in relation to fallen Jedi.

Also with the fact of Mami dying while playing the mentor role follows the theme in Star Wars as well where the mentor dies (ep. 1 - Qui-Gon, ep. 4 - Obi-Wan)
and the apprentice/padawan picks up the pieces...

Miki's strong sense of justice will definitely get her killed, even with the regeneration. I predict she will likely die horribly from either powerful acid or a blazing inferno. Now I wonder if that healing/growth will turn into cancer for a certain revived violinist?
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Sore wa himitsu desu.
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Someone needs to OWN Kyouko and fast!! I hate cocky, loud-mouthed girls with fangs!! And her constant munching is quite annoying. She's just as bad as the witches.
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Someone needs to OWN Kyouko and fast!! I hate cocky, loud-mouthed girls with fangs!! And her constant munching is quite annoying. She's just as bad as the witches.


I'm pretty sure Homura's gonna do exactly what you ask for next episode.
I really can't wait for tomorrow!

I can feel it's Homura's time to shine in battle =D
Also, Mami necromorph would be win (too much Dead Space 2)
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I really hope this show gets cleaned up on the Blu-Ray release. I love this show and SHAFT in general despite their cheap animation tactics but yikes at some parts in Madoka.

Examples: http://i.imgur.com/wEmpZ.jpg
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I really hope this show gets cleaned up on the Blu-Ray release. I love this show and SHAFT in general despite their cheap animation tactics but yikes at some parts in Madoka.

Examples: http://i.imgur.com/wEmpZ.jpg


Lol
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Ginga-Bishoujo said:
cstle said:
I really hope this show gets cleaned up on the Blu-Ray release. I love this show and SHAFT in general despite their cheap animation tactics but yikes at some parts in Madoka.

Examples: http://i.imgur.com/wEmpZ.jpg


Lol
Now I wonder why I failed to see none of those.

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Kyubey's proving to be quite the manipulative little creature, and even if Madoka hasn't become a mahou shoujo, I fear for what's in plan, especially with this being a SHAFT work.
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Interesting, it appears that the wish made affects what kind of magical girl you will become. It also appears that this new headhunting magical girl is one hell of a realist and opportunist. She went right for the newbie Sayaka.

It's amazing how my understanding of this story has changed. This episode made the series start to feel more like... what's the name of that manga/novel where they have the kids fight on an island for a chance to survive? Anyway, you get what I mean. This is in reality a deathmatch for preteen and teenage girls. Quite sick in reality once you give it some though.

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Well that whole becoming a Masou Shoujo part at the beginning was ... interesting
Didn't really expect Homura to jump into the fight ...
That being said the fight was pretty awesome :P Kyouko is pretty interesting too, except for the whole "you should let the familiars hatch before hunting them" ... so there are definitely different types of Masou Shoujos out there
Anyways, so since Sayaka chose her wish for healing = strong healing abilities, does that mean your powers are based on your wish? :O
Magical transformation sequence was pretty awesome XD
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That battle was really interesting to watch. I like Sakura so far.
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Well that whole becoming a Masou Shoujo part at the beginning was ... interesting
Didn't really expect Homura to jump into the fight ...
That being said the fight was pretty awesome :P Kyouko is pretty interesting too, except for the whole "you should let the familiars hatch before hunting them" ... so there are definitely different types of Masou Shoujos out there
Mahou Shoujo, not Masou. That other term is used in an anime currently airing this season too and it's a created word made from magical and clothes, so everyone translates it as magiclad. Mahou Shoujo literally means Magical Girl.

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lol, Sayaka just suddenly starts fighting the new girl for the sake of having some action in the episode. So stupid. Only good part in this ep was the guy on the rooftop playing music for everyone. Onto next episode now.
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OST. Do want. Nao.

Also: She won't become a Mahou Shoujo too soon. The whole point of the anime so far is about her reasons, not her power.
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A Mahou Shoujo anime going the whole time without the main character becoming a Mahou Shoujo. Now what would be hilarious..

Unless you're retarded, I do hope you realize that this isn't your typical magical girl anime.
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I was bored of anime

Then I watched this show.

...

Anyway, nice action there :)
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Interesting how each girl's power reflects her wish...Mami wished for Kyebey to save her life, so she's constantly surrounded by 'life' (flowers, trees etc), Sayaka wished for that boy's recovery so she has incredible recovery skills, Sakura can eat while fighting...dunno if that's related to her wish though!

This just keeps getting better :-D
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Kyubee is really a troll!!!!!!! Kyoko is strong, but sayaka doesn't seem so bad.....
Madoka, Will be you a maho shoujo???? Homua know things that other don't understand, imho....

next to 6th ep

(too sad for Japan people after earthquake....)
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