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Jul 15, 2016 9:29 AM
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Hmm decent episode, they are building up more with the military roles in the series. World building seems nice too. I'm still trying to get used to the character designs, some of the blushing feels weird but whatever.

Ikta also shows more of his aggressive personality but I kinda like him for that since he cares about his status. Yatori and Ikta got a moment at the end too. The whole promotion stuff to Imperial Knight really made Ikta angry by the looks of it.

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Jul 15, 2016 10:20 AM
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Iktar showing his cleverness.
And things seem to be going well for them tho not everyone seems to like it.
Things will get interesting from now tho.
Jul 15, 2016 10:59 AM
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Hmm they skipped a few scenes and condensed others, overall not bad though. Yatori and the princess looked exceptionally well during the throne scenes, Ikta's art style still doesn't fit him tho.
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Jul 15, 2016 11:06 AM
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Ikta continues to be the best character by a looooooong shot.
Jul 15, 2016 11:16 AM
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Clever or even cunning strategist Iktar and kind-hearted Sniper Torway. That's what I get from this episode. And Yatri's always the one that stop Iktar when he lose control so far.
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Jul 15, 2016 11:20 AM
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Welp, Ikta got fucked over big time. Quite the reward for saving all their asses huh? XD I remember now why I stopped reading the manga around here, I hated Yatori's manhandling of Ikta. I understand it in each case in theory, but I pretty much agree with him everytime so she comes across as an unlikable bitch, big time.
Jul 15, 2016 11:25 AM
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I would like to see more detail on ikta and yatoris background relationship but I guess that'll come later and keep me coming back!
Jul 15, 2016 11:27 AM
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Ikta is clearly not very thrilled about gaining the status of a noble, a soldier, and a hero, but with his personality, that doesn't surprise me. It looks like he's getting more than what he bargained for, and even though I'm sure most people would love to be in his position, he doesn't seem happy at all.
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Jul 15, 2016 11:43 AM
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Really liking Ikta so far and even Yatori. Guessing the princess will get some development through the series and won't be so unlikable.

Wonder if these 5 will stay together in a squad or such later on.

I really hate that someone already spoiled a big part of the story for me in the last episode discussion though.

Jul 15, 2016 11:44 AM

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Good episode and interesting build up.

I actually expected the whole behind enemy lines period to last much longer, Surprised that it was dealt with so quickly and we even went into a 1 month time skip.

I don't dislike the princess but she does overstep her boundaries quite a bit especially when Ikta is concerned. I'm interested in Ikta's past, There should be a reason why he's come to hate nobles, soldiers and heroes.
Jul 15, 2016 11:47 AM

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looking at the setting and stuff, our heroes are essentially on the wrong side.
Jul 15, 2016 11:58 AM
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i get the feeling without having read the source material that they might have condensed or rushed through some stuff to get us through this episode.

Iktar has an attitude and is too smart for school, but I kinda like him. He's going to be pinned down by Yatori a couple more times though with that big mouth of his.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:08 PM

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that negotiation scene was really shortened. the military was far more cautious than that in the novels, and it was a good chance to see how much they thought out the whole thing. Oh well.

Then they skipped the scene with Ikuta sleeping with a milf in the hotel as well. Looks like they want to make ikuta as a perverted virgin in the anime?
I guess that fits what anime watchers like...

anything else was fine, liked it. Probably partially because I appreciate the characters already by having read the novels, but still.
Jul 15, 2016 12:11 PM

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I quite like this show and the way it's heading which is a shame as we are only going to get one season. Defiantly one of the better shows this season.
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Hmm so my feelings about this show has gone up a bit since last week. I'm starting to get into it but as of right now...I hate Yatori. She comes off as one of those characters that will have your back one second but immediately do something against you for the sake of kissing ass of a noble or someone of higher position the next. I kinda hate those character types but at least it creates the drama dynamic of it all.

I haven't read the source at all so I might consider doing that assuming my interest in this series goes deeper.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:21 PM
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I am quite happy about the episode over all, but I am somewhat bothered by the stuff left out.

The explanation why blimps fly and why one state uses it and the other doesn't, some details whilst they were behind enemy lines (bugs, eating, sleeping, ...), Ikta sleeping around (which will be a mayor plot point later on), drinking himself into a stupor that night and such.
Some of them are minor, but others are really essential in the LN for setting the scene for later occurrences and world building...
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Then they skipped the scene with Ikuta sleeping with a milf in the hotel as well. Looks like they want to make ikuta as a perverted virgin in the anime?
I guess that fits what anime watchers like...

Don't think they can skip "that scene" in next episode lol.
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It seems Madhouse planned 5 episodes for volume 1, that's a lot compare to most LN adaptions(other than Rokka and Hibike i guess), so i must say this LN series really doesn't have much "filler scenes", and that make it pretty hard to adapt in limited episodes.
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Welp, Ikta got fucked over big time. Quite the reward for saving all their asses huh? XD I remember now why I stopped reading the manga around here, I hated Yatori's manhandling of Ikta. I understand it in each case in theory, but I pretty much agree with him everytime so she comes across as an unlikable bitch, big time.
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Hmm so my feelings about this show has gone up a bit since last week. I'm starting to get into it but as of right now...I hate Yatori. She comes off as one of those characters that will have your back one second but immediately do something against you for the sake of kissing ass of a noble or someone of higher position the next. I kinda hate those character types but at least it creates the drama dynamic of it all.

I haven't read the source at all so I might consider doing that assuming my interest in this series goes deeper.


It's not difficult to see that they have a very close relationship and she's trying to protect his ass, is it?
Jul 15, 2016 12:36 PM
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It was a good episode. had a lot of story building.
Liked the fact that Ikta is a twisted man with lots of things not known to us yet.
The opening still is sooo good :D
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animefan8800 said:
Welp, Ikta got fucked over big time. Quite the reward for saving all their asses huh? XD I remember now why I stopped reading the manga around here, I hated Yatori's manhandling of Ikta. I understand it in each case in theory, but I pretty much agree with him everytime so she comes across as an unlikable bitch, big time.
Zantius said:
Hmm so my feelings about this show has gone up a bit since last week. I'm starting to get into it but as of right now...I hate Yatori. She comes off as one of those characters that will have your back one second but immediately do something against you for the sake of kissing ass of a noble or someone of higher position the next. I kinda hate those character types but at least it creates the drama dynamic of it all.

I haven't read the source at all so I might consider doing that assuming my interest in this series goes deeper.


It's not difficult to see that they have a very close relationship and she's trying to protect his ass, is it?

No use trying to reason with them. People see what they want to see no matter how delusional it is.
Jul 15, 2016 12:54 PM

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Damn. Ikta got fucked over big time. I really like Ikta, he's really antihero-esque in a good way. I'm really interested in seeing how his past affects his way of thinking. I like Yatori but she kinda pisses me off. Then again, she might be doing it to keep the MC from saying too much or going too far and getting fucked up. Maybe not yet.
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A decent adaptation, every major plot point up to the first half of the first LN was adapted. Still missing some critical explanations (such as how their "technology" works and why only a few characters can use rifles), but it will be likely covered during the next two episodes due to the academy setting.

Ikta best moterfucker ever. But still I can't take his pretty boy character design seriusly.
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larethian said:


It's not difficult to see that they have a very close relationship and she's trying to protect his ass, is it?

No use trying to reason with them. People see what they want to see no matter how delusional it is.


It's just a matter of perspective. Not sure how that constitutes delusional but ok.
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Damn. Ikta got fucked over big time. I really like Ikta, he's really antihero-esque in a good way. I'm really interested in seeing how his past affects his way of thinking. I like Yatori but she kinda pisses me off. Seems like she believes a little too much in the empire. Kind of like a loyal dog. Maybe not yet.

It's pretty simple here, really.

She is designed to be the example of the morally good, cool-headed, responsible "noblesse obliege" aristocrat in contrast to (most of) the other nobility characters in the series.
Her family has an ancient legacy like Chamille (the princess), but unlike Chamille (that despise quite clearly her lineage) she feels a strong sense of duty towards her ancestors.
She represents all the "good points" in the current Empire and, due to her prominent role in the story, she reminds the reader that not every single noble is morally bankrupt (that instead would be the univocal conclusion if the only POVs in the novels were Ikta and Chamille).
So she isn't exactly the character that goes around throwing a tantrum against the feudal system.
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Yeap Ikta continues to be the best character, actually he's the only likable character thus far, Yatori on the other hand, hoping a time comes that Ikta fcking strangle that bitch, no one gets off talking shit to my dead mother and gets away with it, hoping he woulda told Yatori that he'd fcking strangle her too if she gets in his way but yeah most of the anime/novel stories its always the girl thats more powerful/stronger than the main guy so there's that, Ikta would just get manhandled over and over these coming episodes, a small price to pay to enjoy Ikta's antics.
Jul 15, 2016 1:16 PM
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Ikuta is pretty clever!
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They kill the soldiers and take their fairy's souls :'( at least they feel bad about it :(
Disguising as the enemy and using the blimp to get back to their country was a good move.
Now the Emperor makes them Imperial Knights to lessen the people's worries even thou it was an intentional loss.

Hime angering Ikta with her knowledge XD
Just shows she is still a kid and that Ikta is a sore loser.
Jul 15, 2016 1:40 PM

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A better episode than the first.

MC is likeable conman with anger issues. Even though his plans were way too convenient. Whatever, fantasy military is always dumber than real military.

Female protag redhead is kind of annoying, as is the naive princess. At least this should be a lesson to the princess. I hope there's no love triangle between the three as redhead is clearly MC's romantic interest and the princess showed interest in the mc too this episode.

4/5
Jul 15, 2016 2:01 PM

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I love the show so far!
Yatori and Ikta are indeed pretty close and (I probably overinterprete it) but I like to think that if Ikta isn't botherred at all by Yatori shutting him up is because I trusts her to stop him, he relies on her so he doesn't have to worry about going to far since he know she's here for him and will stop him. And since she let him talk she probably agree with what he says at least a little : a complementary relationship. (Yea I'm definitely overseeing it...)
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To be honest, this show wasn't all that bad, but I didn't find it all that interesting and don't see it holding my attention for long ( its alot better than madhouses's previous light novel efforts such as, Mahouka and Mahou Shithole). So definite drop.
Jul 15, 2016 2:09 PM

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looking at the setting and stuff, our heroes are essentially on the wrong side.


"Please, I'm a refugee"
"oh, we get a lot of those. your country is kind of shit and everyone wants to leave. sure, we'll take you in."

I guess the enemy nation isn't horrible or evil

and of course, our boys kill them in cold blood (not like they had a choice but it was still messed up)

the idea that the border commander wouldn't place several armed escorts on the refugees as they pass through seems like an idiotic decision. on the writer. why even write a sequence where you have you characters cleverly pass through a heavily guarded border if they don't don't do it cleverly and depend on an asspull?

beyond that, I love the setting, the characters themselves, all that stuff at the end was intriguing. when i could feel it getting toward the end i already wanted to see the next episode

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Welp, Ikta got fucked over big time. Quite the reward for saving all their asses huh? XD I remember now why I stopped reading the manga around here, I hated Yatori's manhandling of Ikta. I understand it in each case in theory, but I pretty much agree with him everytime so she comes across as an unlikable bitch, big time.


i'm sure she thought she was rewarding him in the beginning, but then when he revealed he didn't want any of the rewards she turned confrontational. that's what i thought before she started talking shit about how his family keeps getting screwed by the kingdom and his mom was forced into becoming a sex-slave with a smile on her face, and then i realized, "oh she's just a bitch"

her standing by the pillar listening in to the conversation at the end, looking remorseful is the show saying like, "ah, isn't she sympathetic?" which is bizarre because like no, not even a little bit. I wouldn't mind if she was a cold-blooded backstabber, that's actually kind of cool. I hope they don't try to make her sympathetic anymore
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I was expecting more from madhouse, but too bad I guess.

The mc is interesting, but he also comes off as an angry teen at times. Like calm down with your outbursts bro.

A lot of people hate the red head, but frankly I'm happy when she puts the MC in his place. If you want to have a believable Waring kingdom/empires show, then lower born characters have to be put in their place when they defy nobility/ the hierarchy.
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Welp, Ikta went with yatori to be the Greyman (military term for someone who is trying not to get notice) but ends more than what he bargain for. He maybe a genius, but he can be quite impulsive that Yatori has to kick his butt to control him.
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Okay, with this episode I have come to multiple conclusions about this series.

Number one is that this is far different from the other light novels/LN adaptations that have aired over the past number of years. This is far more a fantasy series in the vein of many popular western titles, such as the ones I mentioned in last episode's post (Mark Lawrence's works, The Gentlemen Bastards, etc.)

Number two would be that this series is probably sitting just behind Re:Zero and Danganronpa (maybe a little above Danganronpa) as the series that I look forward to each week. Wow, this episode cemented that fact for sure.

Number three is that I adore Ikta, Chamille and Yatori for a variety of reasons. Ikta for the fact that he fits in with the form of fantasy novel protagonist that has been becoming far more popular recently: the intelligent hero with a dark past who may or may not be in it for himself. I like Chamille because she plays the princess role better than almost any other anime princess in recent years - as shown by her usage of her five saviours as "heroes" for the public and willingness to engage in political games - while still maintaining emotional attributes reminiscent of her age. And finally Yatori for the fact that she plays the childhood friend role for Ikta with an interesting twist (for example, the fact that anytime she beats on Ikta has a valid justification behind it, rather than just a need for "comedic violence") and she also seems to be progressing towards the cool headed emotional center of the group.

Whatever comes forward in future weeks has me truly excited about this one. I cannot wait to see more.
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Seems like the Empire is the 'bad' guys here.... based on the bratty(though well written) princess, they are fighting a pointless war. Willingly lose territory because they can't bother with feeding their population. Empire civilians seeking asylum in the Republic.
Republic willingly accepting them.

Seems like the Empire is the oppressive regime here. I guess it's a given whenever there is 'Empire' in the name of some fictional faction, you know they are the 'bad' guys

Also science seem to be a foreign concept for them. So they just developed air rifles by chance? I feel like the Republic have a more scientific process seeing how they have blimps which make me think are more advanced in general.
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I fcks with this show. Ikta is cool af, the rest are al right. Yatori needs to chill and that snotty princess can bite the dust for all I care. I mean really, I'm gonna make you a soldier so now you have to obey us without question. fck that :/

But yeah, Ikta is this show's saving grace. He's the type of MC I like to see, smart, pragmatic, logical with a healthy bit of skepticism and a dash of cynicism. The only way people can bring him down is by resorting to violence (yes, I'm looking at you Yatori).


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I love the show so far!
Yatori and Ikta are indeed pretty close and (I probably overinterprete it) but I like to think that if Ikta isn't botherred at all by Yatori shutting him up is because I trusts her to stop him, he relies on her so he doesn't have to worry about going to far since he know she's here for him and will stop him. And since she let him talk she probably agree with what he says at least a little : a complementary relationship. (Yea I'm definitely overseeing it...)


I'm having the same thoughts!
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favorite moment is when we see ikta actually sad/bothered/unwilling about his killing of those enemy soldiers. he even memorized their names :(
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Very enjoyable episode, Ikta's a fine mc and I'm liking the setting quite a bit. It does seem as if the princess' empire is corrupt, so it'll be interesting to see what side the characters will take.
Anyways, that first scene where they killed those three soldiers definitely took me by surprise a little, considering the first episode seemed kind of lighthearted. I wasn't really impressed by the way they managed to cross the border, though, as it seemed far too simplistic.
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Jul 15, 2016 3:54 PM

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Princess is useless and annoying. The only thing main character's best friend did so far was puching him when he exceeded the limits. Actually, the only one doing something so far is main character. I don't care if he is an angry teen sometimes if this means making silly princess stfu.
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Can't say I read the manga but damn do I hate Yatori.

Wish the bitch would roll over and die already.

And Princess remains an idiot. Meh, not surprised. Unfortunately, it's the 'best friend' that takes the most hated spot currently because at least the Princess is being just manipulative. And has absolutely no regret in being so, because her life is so much more important than anyone else's.

It's the 'best friend' who's putting her loyalty above any years of friendship she had with Ikta. So, fuck her and hope she dies ingloriously.
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That was definitely an emotional rollercoaster for me. Right from the get go with killing those soldiers, i know they're at war but it seemed so cruel, they just finished showing how the other side isn't against simply taking prisoners and not massacring everyone, then we even see asylum seekers go to them a lot. Like damn. Not to mention that king seems like a complete ass.

The set up is great. I'm totally feeling Ikta's pain.
Jul 15, 2016 4:51 PM
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A quite decent episode and I it's going to be better than GaTE
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They are rushing quite a bit, aren't they. Especially the crossing the border thing, was way too easy here xD
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So they drifted into enemy's territory. And they got detected by some soldiers (Crisis!) but resolved the situation by killing them off.

So far so good.

But plot progression suddenly stops, spending so much screen time for "what and how I feel about it" scenes ???

One guy plays the crying baby, sobbing "I was not good enough! I suck. (tacitly wishing the girl to say somethng like, No... You did the job well enough ) "

And our hime-sama (the princess) plays the crying baby too, sobbing "It's my fault! I feel sorry! But we had no other choice because I must return! Sorry!!"

Finally the MC is shown to be a "appear-to-be-cold-but-in-fact-warmhearted' sort of man.

All Bad ideas, Bad writing because the story of the show has not developed and progressed far enough to get emotional, sentimental. The soldiers being killed is neither one of major dramatic moments of the show, nor a significant foreshadowing of the story.
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They are rushing quite a bit, aren't they. Especially the crossing the border thing, was way too easy here xD
Well they arent rushing it since its paced fine.

This adaption is actually on the slower side.
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Was decent, story seems to be your typical Empire vs Republic business though, but I hope they take it a bit further than most shows tend to do. I do actually like the political game the empire played with the Eastern section, it was pretty craft.
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To those complaining about Yatori ass saving Ikta and Ikta having anger issue, don't worry, this is the last episode you'll see of this.
Madhouse choose to condense the first chapter of the story, which is pretty boring if you ask me.
Next chapter, we may see Ikta dealing with the errors of his past :3.
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Was decent, story seems to be your typical Empire vs Republic business though, but I hope they take it a bit further than most shows tend to do. I do actually like the political game the empire played with the Eastern section, it was pretty craft.

Sorry to say it, but this is the last we seen of the republic in the LN (not counting what is completely skipped in the anime), but the aftermath of the general is not finished tho and will have an impact in the next episodes.
What you must wait for is the northern arc, which show Ikta's ability and network.
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Pretty good episode, of course they condensed even more things but at the same time it didn't really felt rushed at all. Pretty good in all honesty.
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