Funny but accurate response to American gun control: Agree or no?

CaimTheJoyful said:
>accurate

As far as I'm concerned, it's a video by hacks for hacks.

CaimTheJoyful said:
None whatsoever.

khunter said:


Damn, that's pretty ignorant, especially since the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

j0x said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/16/why-the-nra-opposed-laws-to-prevent-suspected-terrorists-from-buying-guns/

CaimTheJoyful said:
what

The entire video can be epitomized as "We're aussies and we think guns are scary so please control them."
Exactly what truth or "accuracy" can you find in that?

Also, following Cracked when it's 2015. Shame."suspects"

CaimTheJoyful said:
what

The entire video can be epitomized as "We're aussies and we think guns are scary so please control them."
Exactly what truth or "accuracy" can you find in that?

Also, following Cracked when it's 2015. Shame."suspects"

Pirating_Ninja said:
Gun Control is needed. But there is absolutely no point discussing it. It just won't happen. Although I would be down to ban guns from any male in the Carolinas since they seem to be the crazy ones a disproportionate amount of the times.

Fiction-S said:
I like my guns.


Fuck you Australia.

MihoWittmann said:

I like my life.

Fuck you asshole Americans.

khunter said:
I think (I'm not sure) there have been over 1000 deaths from mass shootings-not to mention the huge gun problem in the states.

That's more of a truth than even an opinion. The statistics, which anyone can look up(I just want pretend to know the exact numbers on here-though i could even just reference the video again if need be) do not favor your argument.

That being said, I can understand a want to have a gun but to say strict gun control is stupid is not even a good argument. Wouldn't you appreciate a safer society? Even if it's only 8% safer?

CaimTheJoyful said:
Why restrict the rights of over a hundred million because of a couple thousand? Why take away a tool of self-defense?
Don't you remember Paris?

Also, I'd like to see your "statistics".

Salvatia said:
>cracked
Won't even need to view the video to know it's wrong.

Also it's terrible enforcement of preexisitng guns laws that lead to guns in the wrong hands, thus gun murders

Yearly gun murder rates:

Austin – 3.7 per 100,000 <-- in texas, supposedly inhabited by gun nuts
Seattle – 3.7 per 100,000
San Diego – 3.5 per 100,000
El Paso – 3.4 per 100,000 <-- in texas, supposedly inhabited by gun nuts
Portland – 3.3 per 100,000
Santa Ana – 3.3 per 100,000
Mesa – 3.1 per 100,000
Henderson – 1.5 per 100,000
Lincoln – 1.1 per 100,000
Plano – 0.4 per 100,000 <-- in texas, supposedly inhabited by gun nuts


But then we have these shitholes

New Orleans – 53.2 per 100,000
St. Louis – 35.5 per 100,000
Baltimore – 34.9 per 100,000
Newark - 34.4 per 100,000
Oakland – 31,8 per 100,000
Stockton – 23.7 per 100,000
Kansas City – 22.6 per 100,000
Philadelphia – 21.5 per 100,000
Cleveland – 21.3 per 100,000
Memphis – 20.2 per 100,000
Atlanta – 19.0 per 100,000
Chicago – 18.5 per 100,000

Gymkata said:
LOL

So...a political piece in shitty comedic costuming.

I'm all for eliminating our military-grade weapons plague, but before launching into any serious dialectic about austere/sweeping gun control measures, I'll simply say this: a firearm saved the lives of three people in my family. Experience that, then weigh-in on the subject.

hoopla123 said:
American needs more guns to fend for itself.

khunter said:


Are you questioning statistics done by hundreds and hundreds of people? All for the sake of refusing to acknowledge the country needs a country? Besides, they aren't mine. Statistics are out of context anyway

The idea is to provide a safer country, however safe that might be. Americans are so lost in guns and how much they love them, they refuse to see any advantages of making stricter gun laws. I need to show 3 forms of ID to get PSEUDOFRIN for god's sake. Talk about priorities.

It's pretty easy to learn about gun control and then put it in context. It's not like you're wrong, it's just thinking that there isn't a problem is extremely ignorant, especially considering the real problem here in the states

CaimTheJoyful said:
Okay. Now that you're done with your rant. Where's your actual point?

Also, it's extremely ignorant for you to think that gun control means a safer country. If anything, sounds more dangerous if everybody's means to self-defense were restricted.

Salvatia said:
We are talking about gun related crimes, not crimes in general
You are right to say it doesn't disprove anything because it's literally irrelevant

Salvatia said:
>cracked
Won't even need to view the video to know it's wrong.

Also it's terrible enforcement of preexisitng guns laws that lead to guns in the wrong hands, thus gun murders

Yearly gun murder rates:

Austin – 3.7 per 100,000 <-- in texas, supposedly inhabited by gun nuts
Seattle – 3.7 per 100,000
San Diego – 3.5 per 100,000
El Paso – 3.4 per 100,000 <-- in texas, supposedly inhabited by gun nuts
Portland – 3.3 per 100,000
Santa Ana – 3.3 per 100,000
Mesa – 3.1 per 100,000
Henderson – 1.5 per 100,000
Lincoln – 1.1 per 100,000
Plano – 0.4 per 100,000 <-- in texas, supposedly inhabited by gun nuts


But then we have these shitholes

New Orleans – 53.2 per 100,000
St. Louis – 35.5 per 100,000
Baltimore – 34.9 per 100,000
Newark - 34.4 per 100,000
Oakland – 31,8 per 100,000
Stockton – 23.7 per 100,000
Kansas City – 22.6 per 100,000
Philadelphia – 21.5 per 100,000
Cleveland – 21.3 per 100,000
Memphis – 20.2 per 100,000
Atlanta – 19.0 per 100,000
Chicago – 18.5 per 100,000

j0x said:
From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Imeon said:


They sell guns to terrorists? Murica's laws are awesome....

khunter said:


Are you questioning statistics done by hundreds and hundreds of people? All for the sake of refusing to acknowledge the country needs a country? Besides, they aren't mine. Statistics are out of context anyway

The idea is to provide a safer country, however safe that might be. Americans are so lost in guns and how much they love them, they refuse to see any advantages of making stricter gun laws. I need to show 3 forms of ID to get PSEUDOFRIN for god's sake. Talk about priorities.

It's pretty easy to learn about gun control and then put it in context. It's not like you're wrong, it's just thinking that there isn't a problem is extremely ignorant, especially considering the real problem here in the states

khunter said:


The link I linked had gun related crimes as well, but I take it you didn't read it. I thought it was pretty relevant to the topic and to the rest of what I was saying. My point being that murders with guns, however high(to justify my case) or low(to justify yours) are not the only to find the truth, which I truly believe is somewhere between us. I wish everyone would find that truth however.

JonyJC said:
Lol cracked.

khunter said:


I doubt that would be considered a rant. It wasn't even two paragraphs.

I think in my first response to you, or someone, I said 'however safe" and put the word safer in quotes. If i didn't, I should have. strengthening gun laws wouldn't result in peace and harmony. What I mean is that it can make an aspect of our society better. But If 17 children being gunned down, something that doesn't happen in democratic societies like ours(not often anyway-Norway was one such time-which was unheard of) doesn't change your opinion, some ass dick like me won't. Still, I'm not here for arguments. I respect your opinion, it's yours after all

CaimTheJoyful said:
For fucks sake, comparing America with other countries doesn't prove anything because of the many varying factors in culture. If you want to pull that card, I will too.

Gun laws didn't stop Charlie Hebdo nor did it stop the Paris Shootings. It didn't stop the Cumbria shootings, the Netherlands mall shootings, Lorrach hospital shooting in Germany, nor the Norwegian 2011 shootings. Also, more mass shooting occur at a more frequent rate in Macedonia than the US and that country has stricter gun laws than the US. The problem isn't guns, it's the media for highly publicizing the contagion that is mass shootings which in turn inspires copycat shooters. Attacking guns is the wrong way to go about this issue. You could buy even more devastating weapons in decades past than you could now, yet mass shootings occur more frequently now than in the past. So what's the issue? Guns? No. Men? No. Economy? Partially. The media? Yes.

When CNN or Fox or MSNBC goes about covering mass shootings, they glorify it. They treat the shooter's like a celebrity, giving the name and plastering the shooter's face on the screen. Licensed psychologists and sheriffs will plead not to give the attention the shooter wants but CNN will do it anyways. Fuck, I don't like bringing up fiction but go and sit your ass down and watch some Ghost in the Shell SAC. It gives an excellent overview on the psychology of crime that one can draw parrallels with the shooting trend of today albeit being a little exaggerated when it comes to the premise.

khunter said:


The link I linked had gun related crimes as well, but I take it you didn't read it.

ezikialrage said:
I know anti-gun weenies don't care about facts but here is a fact.


You Will Not Die in a Mass Shooting
http://gawker.com/you-will-not-die-in-a-mass-shooting-1746158444
It is true that guns kill tens of thousands of Americans every year—the majority of them from suicide. Of the fraction that are homicides, only a vanishingly small fraction of those are high profile mass shootings of the type that make people fear to go to office parties, or to movie theaters. If gun violence itself is what you fear, the most prudent action you can take is to not have a gun in your home.
Here are the leading causes of death in America, with annual fatalities per the CDC:

Heart disease: 611,105
Cancer: 584,881
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 149,205
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 130,557
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,978

They are followed by Alzheimer’s, diabetes, pneumonia and flu, and kidney disease. Next is suicide, the only leading cause of death that might be considered violent.
In 2013, auto accidents killed almost 33,000 Americans—about the same number of people killed in all gun deaths, and many more people than died by homicide.
You are far more likely to die driving to the movie theater than you are to die by being killed by a mass shooter at the movie theater.
Life, in truth, is mundane. Things become big news stories because they are extraordinary. It is a mistake to imagine that your death will make national news. It probably will not. If you fear guns, don’t kill yourself. If you fear dying, eat healthier and exercise and don’t smoke.
You will not die in a tragic mass shooting. You will die of heart disease in your late 70s. Unless you keep worrying about being murdered all the time. Stress is a killer.

CaimTheJoyful said:
For fucks sake, comparing America with other countries doesn't prove anything because of the many varying factors in culture. If you want to pull that card, I will too.

Gun laws didn't stop Charlie Hebdo nor did it stop the Paris Shootings. It didn't stop the Cumbria shootings, the Netherlands mall shootings, Lorrach hospital shooting in Germany, nor the Norwegian 2011 shootings. Also, more mass shooting occur at a more frequent rate in Macedonia than the US and that country has stricter gun laws than the US. The problem isn't guns, it's the media for highly publicizing the contagion that is mass shootings which in turn inspires copycat shooters. Attacking guns is the wrong way to go about this issue. You could buy even more devastating weapons in decades past than you could now, yet mass shootings occur more frequently now than in the past. So what's the issue? Guns? No. Men? No. Economy? Partially. The media? Yes.

When CNN or Fox or MSNBC goes about covering mass shootings, they glorify it. They treat the shooter's like a celebrity, giving the name and plastering the shooter's face on the screen. Licensed psychologists and sheriffs will plead not to give the attention the shooter wants but CNN will do it anyways. Fuck, I don't like bringing up fiction but go and sit your ass down and watch some Ghost in the Shell SAC. It gives an excellent overview on the psychology of crime that one can draw parrallels with the shooting trend of today albeit being a little exaggerated when it comes to the premise.

ezikialrage said:
I know anti-gun weenies don't care about facts but here is a fact.


You Will Not Die in a Mass Shooting
http://gawker.com/you-will-not-die-in-a-mass-shooting-1746158444
It is true that guns kill tens of thousands of Americans every year—the majority of them from suicide. Of the fraction that are homicides, only a vanishingly small fraction of those are high profile mass shootings of the type that make people fear to go to office parties, or to movie theaters. If gun violence itself is what you fear, the most prudent action you can take is to not have a gun in your home.
Here are the leading causes of death in America, with annual fatalities per the CDC:

Heart disease: 611,105
Cancer: 584,881
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 149,205
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 130,557
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,978

They are followed by Alzheimer’s, diabetes, pneumonia and flu, and kidney disease. Next is suicide, the only leading cause of death that might be considered violent.
In 2013, auto accidents killed almost 33,000 Americans—about the same number of people killed in all gun deaths, and many more people than died by homicide.
You are far more likely to die driving to the movie theater than you are to die by being killed by a mass shooter at the movie theater.
Life, in truth, is mundane. Things become big news stories because they are extraordinary. It is a mistake to imagine that your death will make national news. It probably will not. If you fear guns, don’t kill yourself. If you fear dying, eat healthier and exercise and don’t smoke.
You will not die in a tragic mass shooting. You will die of heart disease in your late 70s. Unless you keep worrying about being murdered all the time. Stress is a killer.

Salvatia said:

No it does not
Please tell me where the gun related crimes were stated.
It lists murder, rape, assault, theft, and robbery, but doesn't tell if a gun was involved at all.
Or did you just assume there was guns?

ezikialrage said:
I know anti-gun weenies don't care about facts but here is a fact.

khunter said:
Yea, gun restriction doesn't stop other people from having guns but you don't even even an argument or proposing a solution. You have a non argument.

If you for one second think that those countries that have had strict gun control haven't benefited from less crime-especially in the case of mass shootings-then I don't know what to say to you, you'd be clearly ignorant as all hell.

Looking to other countries can be used as a guideline and a reference. Obviously a country with it's own culture and 320 plus million people isn't the same as a 45 million plus country in Europe. It would still be ignorant to not try and learn.

I can already see that despite trying to respect your opinion and actually being rather adult about the debate, it will get nowhere when you have this extreme right wing view on guns and even refuse to see a problem or logic.

JonyJC said:
Lol cracked.

CaimTheJoyful said:
For fucks sake, comparing America with other countries doesn't prove anything because of the many varying factors in culture.

CaimTheJoyful said:
Did you get my point? Did you even bother reading my post? You claim ignorance on my part but it seems you're full of it. Also can you stop with this "I respect your opinion" nonsense? You could have easily shown respect by actually addressing what I've said in my post.

Rance-sama said:


Wanting common sense gun laws doesn't make you against guns, I honestly haven't known a single gun owner who hasn't agreed that criminals and mentally ill people shouldn't have weapons. I've shot plenty of guns myself and I do plan on buying a handgun in the near future. Not exactly anti-gun here, I really do love guns and the safety they can bring. The facts is that those are diseases, people are actively trying to find solutions to that. What about gun violence? Every time a mass shooting happens, the left tries ban guns and the right says nuh uh muh guns and nothing gets solved. There has to be some sort of middle ground here.