| Usually the ban just makes it so a user can not log in. But is it possible to make it just so the ban prevents a user from certain functions of the site where they violated? Like ban the user from using the forums and making profile comments and sending private messages. Of course the full ban would exist for alt accounts and spambot accounts. Update: this is the fine tuned banning im talking about - banning users on specific boards (may be too specific) - banning users from posting in forums - banning users from posting reviews (for those who troll) - removing specific users ratings from being included in rankings - banning users from posting on profiles and messages (but allowing them to read their messages in their inbox and outbox) Update2: I want to be clear, I am NOT talking about shadow banning. The users should see a message letting them know they are banned from posting on certain parts of the site. |
traedJun 19, 2023 12:17 PM
| I agree with the mods when this has come up before that if someone can't follow the rules on one part of the site they shouldn't be able to use any of it. |
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| Well 9 times out of 10 people get banned for being silly on the forums. I got temp banned for a few days for being part of this derail of the shounen thread into F/SN. It was rather annoying not being able to update the list. I am kinda addicted to the fourms at this point so being banned from the forums alone is a huge punishment. |
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| I agree. Banned users should still be able to update their lists. |
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IntroverTurtle said: But not able to update lists makes people more likely to make alt accounts.I agree with the mods when this has come up before that if someone can't follow the rules on one part of the site they shouldn't be able to use any of it. |
traed said: Doubt that, I think wanting to cause more trouble and communicate on the forums/profiles is the number 1 leading reason people make alts. It's quite easy to keep track on notepad until you're unbanned, easier than making a new account and adding the correct anime and then going through it once unbanned to make sure it's mirrored.IntroverTurtle said: But not able to update lists makes people more likely to make alt accounts.I agree with the mods when this has come up before that if someone can't follow the rules on one part of the site they shouldn't be able to use any of it. And there's no need to compromise with them, then they'll just take the site rules more loosely because they can do what they want on the forum and still be able to use their list all they want. |
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| In fact you can still update your list while banned by using API, i.e. apps IntroverTurtle said: It's quite easy to keep track on notepad until you're unbanned, easier than making a new account and adding the correct anime and then going through it once unbanned to make sure it's mirrored. You can just export/import, what's difficult about that? |
SerhiykoAug 28, 2015 11:17 PM
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| i actually asked and suggested this same thing to Xinil and here is his answer j0x said: about your banning system can you improve it as well? if you are banned in the forums then just be banned in the forums and not the entire site, meaning a forum ban will still let the user edit and update his list for example Xinil said: Banning system is one of our must-upgrade features in the very near future. We have a team working on it now actually. https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/3gedyl/im_xinil_creator_and_lead_admin_of_myanimelist/ctxcq61 there are more AMA questions and answers here - http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1415312 |
| Or, ya know. They can follow the rules, not get banned at all, and use the site like everyone else. |
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| reddits shadowban is a good example of this kind of system and its more forgiving than a full ban |
| Uhm... then what's the point of being banned if you can still use the site? |
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DmonHiro said: Uhm... then what's the point of being banned if you can still use the site? So that you don't shitpost any more |
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| Agree with vodall. Someone who can't follow the rules shouldn't be able to make use of the site in any way, including list updating. Don't want this? Simple, don't get banned. |
| I got banned out of the blue once so I support this. Banning people is such a stupid idea if you aren't a clear spambot or anything. |
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EvenJellyOn said: Then now I create many account and start to constantly harrass you on your profile. I'm not a spambot so they can't ban me.I got banned out of the blue once so I support this. Banning people is such a stupid idea if you aren't a clear spambot or anything. |
Serhiyko said: Do you mean export original account and import to new, update anime as normal, then export back. Or just add needed anime on new account, then export it to old account and idk if it will just overwrite just those select anime.In fact you can still update your list while banned by using API, i.e. apps IntroverTurtle said: It's quite easy to keep track on notepad until you're unbanned, easier than making a new account and adding the correct anime and then going through it once unbanned to make sure it's mirrored. You can just export/import, what's difficult about that? Problem with the former is you don't always know when you get banned so unless you make a daily back up its mostly useless. The problem with the latter is there's a lot of deleting or updating to do on that account the next time you use it. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Do you mean export original account and import to new, update anime as normal, then export back. Or just add needed anime on new account, then export it to old account and idk if it will just overwrite just those select anime. The later. It will only overwrite the entries you explicitly tell it to (you have to change <update_on_import>0</update_on_import> to <update_on_import>1</update_on_import> for every single entry you want to import. All other entries will be left intact) IntroverTurtle said: Problem with the former is you don't always know when you get banned so unless you make a daily back up its mostly useless. The problem with the latter is there's a lot of deleting or updating to do on that account the next time you use it. Once you are unbanned, you can just forget about the alt. In case you get banned again, you can create another account Or... you can just use an app that will update your list with the API |
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| banned = banned don't want to lose the ability to update your list ? => don't do stuff that gets you banned |
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SD_CV said: banned = banned don't want to lose the ability to update your list ? => don't do stuff that gets you banned I've never been banned, but here's the thing, not everyone that gets banned tries to. Everything could be fine and dandy, and then one day, someone starts a big argument with you, and you tend to get worked up, and say something incredibly nasty to them that could get you banned. I don't think you should be barred from updating your list just because you got into a heated argument with one individual. |
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| I've heard of lots of stories of people being banned from unjust reasons, though I still don't think it would be fair to let them update their list. |
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Working_Designs said: Everything could be fine and dandy, and then one day, someone starts a big argument with you, and you tend to get worked up, and say something incredibly nasty to them that could get you banned. Then you DESERVE the ban. You said something incredibly nasty to them that could get you banned. So you get banned. Where's the injustice? |
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| I'm scared of getting banned someday so I export my list just in case, I feel like list updating should still be allowed |
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DmonHiro said: Working_Designs said: Everything could be fine and dandy, and then one day, someone starts a big argument with you, and you tend to get worked up, and say something incredibly nasty to them that could get you banned. Then you DESERVE the ban. You said something incredibly nasty to them that could get you banned. So you get banned. Where's the injustice? Sorry, but I don't agree with that. As a matter of fact, I've never agreed with anything you've said, ever. |
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Working_Designs said: Sorry, but I don't agree with that. As a matter of fact, I've never agreed with anything you've said, ever. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not. Saying something really nasty that can get you banned is, and had always been your fault. Nobody forces you so day something nasty. You let your anger get the better of you, and you deserve the consequences: the ban. That's how society works. I can call you a jackass to your face, but if you punch me, you're going to jail. PS: Do you even know you? |
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DmonHiro said: Working_Designs said: Sorry, but I don't agree with that. As a matter of fact, I've never agreed with anything you've said, ever. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not. Saying something really nasty that can get you banned is, and had always been your fault. Nobody forces you so day something nasty. You let your anger get the better of you, and you deserve the consequences: the ban. That's how society works. I can call you a jackass to your face, but if you punch me, you're going to jail. PS: Do you even know you? Nobody goes to jail for 'Punching" people where I live, sorry. Some people are not as good at controlling their anger as others, so banning people for saying something nasty to just one person is ridiculous in my opinion. You don't get kicked out of your parents house for saying nasty things to your family, so why should you be banned from an entire forum for saying something nasty to one user? |
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| Because your parents never told you "If you say nasty things to one of us, you're out of the house". The forum, on the other hand, DID. The forum is not yours, it "belongs" to someone else, and if you don't follow their rules, you should get banned. PS: I have no idea where you live, but in most of the civilized world, punching someone is considered assault, your you get arrested for it if the victim presses charges. Fair enough, you don't automatically go to jail, but you could. |
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DmonHiro said: Because your parents never told you "If you say nasty things to one of us, you're out of the house". The forum, on the other hand, DID. The forum is not yours, it "belongs" to someone else, and if you don't follow their rules, you should get banned. PS: I have no idea where you live, but in most of the civilized world, punching someone is considered assault, your you get arrested for it if the victim presses charges. Fair enough, you don't automatically go to jail, but you could. You and I have different opinions on things, and that's all I'm going to say. |
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| We do, but yours is mostly wrong. You're arguing that people who break the rules should still be allowed to use the site. Opinions differ, that's true, but there are wrong and right opinions. |
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DmonHiro said: We do, but yours is mostly wrong. You're arguing that people who break the rules should still be allowed to use the site. Opinions differ, that's true, but there are wrong and right opinions. I think your opinion is wrong as well, so you're not any better. |
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Working_Designs said: Ignoring the fact that there are warnings and strikes and it takes like 2 or 3 to be banned even for a couple of days.SD_CV said: banned = banned don't want to lose the ability to update your list ? => don't do stuff that gets you banned I've never been banned, but here's the thing, not everyone that gets banned tries to. Everything could be fine and dandy, and then one day, someone starts a big argument with you, and you tend to get worked up, and say something incredibly nasty to them that could get you banned. I don't think you should be barred from updating your list just because you got into a heated argument with one individual. |
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DmonHiro said: PS: I have no idea where you live, but in most of the civilized world, punching someone is considered assault, your you get arrested for it if the victim presses charges. Fair enough, you don't automatically go to jail, but you could. The penalty also differs. Everyone doesn't get sent to the jail for every crime. Having different levels of penalty will give better instruments for staff to punish users based on the severity of their offence. Mods themselves have said that they often hesitate to ban violator and let him get away with just a warning, because site-wide ban is just too severe. Having two levels of ban will allow more users to be banned, which will educate more people. Think about it a little |
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IntroverTurtle said: Working_Designs said: Ignoring the fact that there are warnings and strikes and it takes like 2 or 3 to be banned even for a couple of days.I've never been banned, but here's the thing, not everyone that gets banned tries to. Everything could be fine and dandy, and then one day, someone starts a big argument with you, and you tend to get worked up, and say something incredibly nasty to them that could get you banned. I don't think you should be barred from updating your list just because you got into a heated argument with one individual. I still think that you should be able to keep your list updated. You get banned for interacting with the community, so the only place that should be barred to a banned person is the ability to interact in the forums. |
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| If you're banned for breaking forum rules then you should only be banned from posting on the forum. |
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| Why wasnt this implimented yet? I was told something like this was being worked on. It really would stop some people making alt accounts. |
| Because this has been waived since before 2015. |
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Serhiyko said: In fact you can still update your list while banned by using API, i.e. apps IntroverTurtle said: It's quite easy to keep track on notepad until you're unbanned, easier than making a new account and adding the correct anime and then going through it once unbanned to make sure it's mirrored. You can just export/import, what's difficult about that? Not everyone has a Backup downloaded at all times. If they wanted to import their stuff to a new Account because of a ban they would need to add everything to said account since they would be unable to get the file you get when you export your list. |
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EratiK said: Because this has been waived since before 2015. No i was told by a moderator at some point it was being looked into. |
Afloo said: Serhiyko said: In fact you can still update your list while banned by using API, i.e. apps You can just export/import, what's difficult about that? Not everyone has a Backup downloaded at all times. If they wanted to import their stuff to a new Account because of a ban they would need to add everything to said account since they would be unable to get the file you get when you export your list. It used to be possible to retrieve your (or anyone's) list using old API even while banned, not any more though |
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IntroverTurtle said: Ignoring the fact that there are warnings and strikes and it takes like 2 or 3 to be banned even for a couple of days. some bans are automated... like i linked a random image from google images and it banned me for it |
traed said: Why wasnt this implimented yet? I was told something like this was being worked on. It really would stop some people making alt accounts. DeNA stop adding features for the site for like 2 years now i think hopefully the new owners will implement more features like this suggestion |
deg said: traed said: Why wasnt this implimented yet? I was told something like this was being worked on. It really would stop some people making alt accounts. DeNA stop adding features for the site for like 2 years now i think hopefully the new owners will implement more features like this suggestion Yes that's why I bumped a few of my past suggestions. |
| Don't get banned in the first place. It's all your fault. So stop asking for privileges, when you break the rules. Following the rules isn't even difficult, to begin with. I disagree with this suggestion. |
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KatsutoSaki said: Don't get banned in the first place. It's all your fault. So stop asking for privileges, when you break the rules. Following the rules isn't even difficult, to begin with. I disagree with this suggestion. I've never neen banned that wasn't reversed. |
KatsutoSaki said: Don't get banned in the first place. I think you missed a 4Head emote there. OT: MAL a.k.a. MyAnimeList mainly focused on listing. Forum rules only apply on forums since the logic dictates that. There is no reason to lock the account if the user is banned. |
| Unless it's a violation of the rules by moderators, never. Please, just follow the rules and you will have no trouble. Banning users from update their lists is good if you are banned from forums. The rules must be respected. Partial bans don't make any sense. |
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Nurguburu said: Unless it's a violation of the rules by moderators, never. Please, just follow the rules and you will have no trouble. Banning users from update their lists is good if you are banned from forums. The rules must be respected. Partial bans don't make any sense. I already stated I never been banned But they just make alt accounts which encourages them to post in the forums with those accounts and as long as they didn't try to hack the site or just were spam bots and aren't on a severe ban there really is no reason to ban them from every function of the site. As I already said I was told this was being looked into how to do this. |
| Why hasnt a fine tuned ban of certain site functions been implimented yet? This would cut down on moderator work by discouraging alt account making and preventing some vengeful users from causing problems. A few tunable possabilities to consider - banning users on specific boards (may be too specific) - banning users from posting in forums - banning users from posting reviews (for those who troll) - removing specific users ratings from being included in rankings - banning users from posting on profiles and messages (but allowing them to read their messages in their inbox and outbox) |
| If a mod bans a user he/she is prohibited from using the entire MAL which is utterly ridiculous. We all have the right to at least update and track the list. Just because we behaved badly in the forums we aren't allowed to track at all? The banned users shouldn't be allowed to use forums but they all have the right to track their anime. I know many will say the users who have a high risk of getting banned should behave properly but that's just a poor excuse to not modernize the site. The site even though being the most popular anime tracking site in the web, is still outdated and needs to be fixed asap. I know the suggestion boards is useless but I'm still leaving it here just in case. |
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